[00:12] <lex79> isn't it related to stuff that Harald added in pkg-kde-tools ? since it built in maverick but not in lucid?
[04:48] <JontheEchidna> lex79: backporting harald's fixes fixed it :D
[04:48] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: thanks for figuring out how to make pkg-kde-tools not mess with things in PPAs
[07:16] <ScottK> Did https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/2:1.3.0-0ubuntu1/+build/1806969 fail due to the pkg-kde-tools changes made after it was uploaded three weeks ago?
[11:49] <Mamarok> Riddell: give my hugs to agateau for his Akademy award, well deserved!
[11:50] <Riddell> ooh the news got out?
[11:51] <Mamarok> Riddell: well, it was yesterday, no?
[11:51] <falktx> hi guys
[11:51] <Mamarok> Riddell: Anne Wilson got wich one, non-dev or Jury?
[11:51] <falktx> i'm here to complain
[11:51] <falktx> kubuntu beta PPA packages can easily break the whole system
[11:52] <Mamarok> falktx: well, that's why tose are labeled beta, remember?
[11:52] <Mamarok> those*
[11:52] <falktx> i wanted to try 4.5.0 rc1...
[11:52] <Mamarok> works perfectly well here
[11:52] <falktx> Mamarok: yes, but... the packages could be a little better
[11:52] <Mamarok> didn't break anything
[11:52] <falktx> the inter-dependencies kill me
[11:52] <Mamarok> falktx: well, then wait for final
[11:52] <falktx> Mamarok: it tries to remove almost all packages
[11:52] <Mamarok> betas and RC releases are for testing only, one does test, not complain
[11:53] <falktx> Mamarok: i'll try it one more time
[11:53] <falktx> hehe
[11:53] <Mamarok> not aimed at a runnign system, so you should think before trying out thigns labeled as non-stable
[11:53] <falktx> I know...
[11:53] <Mamarok> falktx: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade solves all dependencies normally
[11:53] <falktx> it's hard to resist the new blur thing...
[11:54] <falktx> Mamarok: no, it doesn't
[11:54] <falktx> Mamarok: it removes a lot of packages...
[11:54] <Mamarok> well, then tell us which dependency issues you have
[11:54] <falktx> Mamarok: other kde packages
[11:54] <Mamarok> some KDE packages are oboslete
[11:54] <Mamarok> or changed names
[11:54] <falktx> i'm still updating, i'll let you know what issues I find on the way
[11:55] <Mamarok> well, you get a list of what will be removed before you update, no? Give that list in a pastebin
[11:55] <falktx> i'm updating almost 1 by 1, just to be safe
[11:56] <Mamarok> if you type sudo apt-get dist-upgrade you get a full list, pastebin that
[11:56] <Mamarok> of what is removed, replaced and what is new
[11:56] <falktx> cannot do it now, but will soon
[11:56] <falktx> btw, "kde-minimal" doesn't exist anymore
[11:57] <Mamarok> *sigh* if you do 1 by 1 you don't have to wait, no?
[11:57] <Mamarok> falktx: normal
[11:57] <Mamarok> and that is just a meta-package anyway
[11:57] <falktx> some packages might depend on it
[11:57] <Mamarok> nope
[11:57] <Mamarok> not on meta-packages
[11:58] <falktx> i mean, other kde apps might depend on "kde-minimal"
[11:59] <Mamarok> no, apps don't depend on meta-packages, it's the other way round
[11:59] <falktx> ha, finally updated ok
[12:00] <claydoh> falktx: installing 4.5rc does remove a number of packagws - there are changes in packaging that mean some are replaced with new ones
[12:00] <Mamarok> claydoh: told him so already, no?
[12:01] <falktx> yep, but the amount of packages is scary
[12:01] <Mamarok> and? If you check the package names added as new and those removed you would see the changes
[12:02] <Mamarok> nothing to complain about
[12:02]  * claydoh had a list if them, but deleted it, was gonna pastebin it
[12:03] <Mamarok> falktx: if you are scared this is hardly matter for a complaint
[12:03] <falktx> he, sorry for the noise
[12:04] <falktx> i'll test this baby now
[12:05] <Mamarok> claydoh: about KMyMoney: is still have a problem with the pinentry not showing up, so I can't open a file I really need to
[12:05] <Mamarok> I tried the hints given in the mailing list, didn't help
[12:06] <Mamarok> I would appreciate some help with that
[12:06] <claydoh> no idea on that one, i don't uses gpg on my file, I just encrypt the ehole drive :)
[12:07] <claydoh> plus I just package, and type very poorly
[12:07] <Mamarok> well, I am really annoyed, since I need to open that file for taxes, and I am already late on that
[12:07] <Mamarok> and the pinentry works flawlessly in Kmail when I sign or encrypt mail, so this is a KMyMoney issue
[12:08] <claydoh> but for me pinentry works for signing my packages
[12:08] <Mamarok> I will write to the mailing list again, asking for a walk through
[12:08] <Mamarok> yeah, it just never pops up when I open that file in KMM
[12:08] <claydoh> which version are you using?
[12:08] <Mamarok> the latest one
[12:08] <Mamarok> they have some indications in the mailing list, I tried that, but it didn't help, pintry still doesn't show
[12:09] <Mamarok> pinentry*
[12:09] <Mamarok> your lat4est package
[12:09] <Mamarok> but the problem exists since I switched to the kde4 version
[12:09]  * claydoh woders id it works with the 1.04, stable release (kde3 version)?
[12:10] <claydoh> argh
[12:10] <Mamarok> well, I guess it should, since it always worked with that version
[12:10] <claydoh> typing in the dark is no good
[12:11] <Mamarok> I will remove the new ones and install teh old version again, can't really wait any longer
[12:11]  * claydoh has to leave for work now :(
[12:11] <Mamarok> np, thanks anyway :)
[12:11] <claydoh> Mamarok: i think you cn  run both together, I did for a  bit they both use the same icon, though
[12:12] <Mamarok> hm, let me try installing the old one then
[12:13] <claydoh> they use different config files, but can read the samy .kmy file just fine
[12:13] <claydoh> ok bye now for real :)
[12:13] <Mamarok> cu
[12:25] <tsimpson> can someone have a look at (and hopefully fix) bug #601869
[14:49] <oxymoron>  Whats the idea of Kopete using Kwallet if I need to type my account passwords anyway? :S Is it supposed to work like that?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: uh yeah
[14:51] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: so that you dont have to type the password of every account
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: see bug 600197. It fails on all archs
[14:51] <shadeslayer> ( if you have multiple accounts,like FB and gtalk and yahoo...etc etc)
[14:54] <shadeslayer> /media/Data/unstable/git/mainline/src/protocolhandler.cpp:129: error: cannot call member function ‘void KProcess::clearProgram()’ without object << any idea what to pass to clearprogram ?
[14:55] <shadeslayer> and do i need that function call before using kprocess::execute?
[15:09] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1146214 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp Replace the "<" symbol with its HTML escape code so that client apps do not have to fiddle around with QLabel properties
[15:09] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1146215 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/TechnicalDetailsTab.cpp Remove workaround now that LibQApt properly escapes the less than sign
[15:14] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Yes exactly, I dont want to type my password every single time for alla my acoounts. I have allow all on Kwallet.
[15:16] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1146216 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp Fix a similar lessthan-not-escaped bug in the Dependencies Tab that caused Replaces: entries to be cut off at the first <
[15:16] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: yes,but in order to allow kopete acccess to those passwords,you need to open kwallet
[15:17] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: its like when your shopping,you want to pay through your credit card,which is in your wallet,you need to open your wallet to access the credit card
[15:17] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: What do you mean? Kwallet asks for password first, I type it in, then directly after it asks again for account passwords.
[15:17] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: ohhh
[15:17] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: thats weird...
[15:17] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: is the Remember Password box ticked?
[15:18] <oxymoron> Yes ... but I think its a bug and Mamarok give me a "bug idea", could be problem if you use same password for Kwallet and accounts :P COuld be some kind of conflict.
[15:18] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Yes its ticked, but disappear everytime.
[15:18] <Mamarok> I have no problem with storing kopete passwords, the wallet keeps those without problems, but I have a different password for the wallet, of course
[15:18] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: hmm.. i have the same password set for the kwallet and the accounts.. worksforme (tm)
[15:19] <Mamarok> ditto for my Choqok passwords, and Kmail passwords, etc
[15:22] <oxymoron> Hmm, I guess theres some problem https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=kwallet+kopete ... it doesnt wait for Kwallet to open. I get this problem only when started desjtop first time I think.
[15:22] <oxymoron> I got a lot of problems first time open apps btw after I bootup my computer and restoring last session.
[15:23] <oxymoron> Konversation cannot login to freenode server for instance, I need to shutdown it and restart it. Some apps doesnt start properly and sometimes Firefox crashes when restoring and restoring all tabs
[15:23] <shadeslayer> boo... dolphin asks for my pass everytime i browse sftp directories ..
[15:25] <Mamarok> oxymoron: your problems sound quite strange, I can't reproduce any of that here
[15:27] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I am special as usual. But you need to reboot computer to try it ;) Make same password on your IM accounts as Kwallet, then reboot computer and restore session with Kopete and it SHOULD if you get same problem as me, show Kwallet master popup and you type it in, then directly after you get popups for every single IM account to type in passwords.
[15:28] <oxymoron> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=236964
[15:28] <oxymoron> One month old and uncofimred bug ... hmm
[15:33] <oxymoron> Then I dont understand, when having autojoin in Konversation it never join android channels, only kubuntu specific ones? :S wtf?
[15:33] <Mamarok> oxymoron: I am not going to change my password for that, certainly not. I start Konversation, choqok, Kontact, kopete and a few others on session start, usually the first to ask for the wallet is choqok, all is set to "Allow always" and I have no problems so far.
[15:33] <Mamarok> and as shadeslayer pointed out earlier, he has the same password and doesn't see that bug
[15:40] <oxymoron> Mamarok: All for me is allow always as well ;) But then Kopete starts first FAST and doesnt wait for Kwallet to start before typing in :P
[15:40] <oxymoron> Mamarok: You cannot say its only me because you havent tried my specific situation :P I dont say you have to, just that it works for you because youre not doing the same way as I do .
[15:41] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks
[15:50] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: thanks for closing the qtcreator bug,i was scared i uploaded the wrong source and was double checking :P
[15:53] <shadeslayer> but the readme does say 1.3.85 and i downloaded the sources from the site again and that readme says 2.0 ...
[15:54] <shadeslayer> i think they updated the tarball or something ... but didnt announce it ..
[15:55] <shadeslayer> ohhh
[15:55] <shadeslayer> new qtcreator is up :D
[16:10] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1146244 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/main.cpp We have a bug product at bugs.kde.org now, so remove my email as the bugaddress.
[17:02] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1146276 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp In installedFilesList(), remove the intermediate pathes that apt gives us.
[17:04] <Adityab> Tm_T: Hey, I've built and installed KDE trunk in my home dir. I want to add an entry to gdm's DE list, to use this KDE too.
[17:04] <Adityab> (I don't have any KDE material installed via packages)
[17:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: around?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: my new ubuntu.com email address works :D
[17:20] <shadeslayer> whee...
[17:41]  * shadeslayer wonders where everyone has gone....
[17:43] <rbelem> shadeslayer, do you have experience with kdelibs api?
[17:44] <shadeslayer> rbelem: bits and pieces :P
[17:44] <shadeslayer> i know kprocess stuff...
[17:44] <rbelem> :-)
[17:44] <shadeslayer> used it to patch apturl support into rekonq
[17:44] <rbelem> shadeslayer, i need some help with the ksambashare stuff
[17:44] <shadeslayer> no idea there... maybe #kde-devel ?
[17:45] <rbelem> ok :-) thanks shadeslayer 
[17:49] <shadeslayer> rbelem: np 
[17:53] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1146294 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp package.cpp package.h) Krazy fixes
[17:54] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: free for a sec?
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> sure
[17:54] <shadeslayer> im getting W: kdepim-runtime: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libakonadi-filestore4 libakonadi-xml4 libkdepim-copy4 libkmindexreader4 libmaildir4 libmbox4 << in kdepim runtime
[17:54] <shadeslayer> found http://lintian.debian.org/tags/package-name-doesnt-match-sonames.html
[17:55] <shadeslayer> found that package name should be libakonadi-filestore4
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> those should each be in their own package
[17:55] <shadeslayer> but... we have no such package.. do i just bundle all the libraries into runtime ?
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> (in fact, there already is a libmaildir4 package, at the least)
[17:55] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/MXY6efYu
[17:56] <shadeslayer> thats the control file
[17:56] <shadeslayer> so i guess i need to make seprate packages for each ?
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[17:56] <shadeslayer> fooey
[17:57] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: anything else that i might have to add?
[17:57] <shadeslayer> replaces/conflicts stuff...
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> are these libraries already in other packages?
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> or are they new?
[17:57] <shadeslayer> uh... dont think so... probably new
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> I'd check kdepimlibs to make sure
[17:58] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: this is the new kdepim release
[17:58] <shadeslayer> ok...
[17:58] <shadeslayer> oh and do we want to install usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.Akonadi.MixedMaildir.Settings.xml ?? usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.Akonadi.Maildir.Settings.xml doesnt seem to be installed
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> nah
[18:00] <shadeslayer> thought so
[18:08] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: also we need to promote grantlee into main
[18:08] <shadeslayer> if you could do that...
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> The MIR has to be reviewed, and then an archive admin has to promote it
[18:09] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: we already have a MIR
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> has it been approved?
[18:09] <shadeslayer> bug 601662
[18:09] <shadeslayer> dont think so...
[18:09] <shadeslayer> well.. kdepim wont build without  it:P
[18:10] <shadeslayer> kjots needs it...
[18:13] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1146301 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/ (6 files) Krazy fixes
[18:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: pong
[18:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: \o
[18:15] <Riddell> Mamarok: anne wilson got non-dev
[18:15] <Riddell> jury award went to someone I've never heard of
[18:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: see bug 601662
[18:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: coincidently I'm sitting next to the grantlee developer who just filed another bug to update the package
[18:18] <shadeslayer> yeah saw that too :D
[18:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so basically kjots needs it in kdepim
[18:18] <shadeslayer> bug 601972
[18:19] <shadeslayer> kdepim will build without it,but no binary for kjots
[18:20] <Riddell> and here's steveire_, the grantlee maintainer
[18:20] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:20] <shadeslayer> steveire_: \o
[18:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm getting mixed messages from people about whether we should ship with KDE PIM 4.4 or 4.5
[18:20] <Riddell> it'll need testing before we upload anyway
[18:20] <shadeslayer> right... its a PITA to package tho :P
[18:20] <shadeslayer> so much splitting ...
[18:21] <shadeslayer> runtime split into libakonadi-filestore4 libakonadi-xml4 libkdepim-copy4 libkmindexreader4 libmaildir4 libmbox4
[18:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: runtime?
[18:22] <Riddell> not kdepimlibs?
[18:23] <steveire_> Yo o/
[18:23] <shadeslayer> well.. thats what i got as a lintian warning
[18:24] <steveire_> I don't think any others are splitting runtime up.
[18:24] <shadeslayer> and no such stuff in kdepimlibs
[18:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also pinotree says that we dont need to split them up
[18:25] <Riddell> go with pinotree then, he's debian and we follow debian for packaging 
[18:25] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/cEAN0fBD << files in debian/not-installed
[18:30] <shadeslayer> im a bit unsure about them .. just double checking
[18:31] <shadeslayer> hmm.. a few dupes there
[18:32] <shadeslayer> uh oh...
[18:41] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: got a sec?
[18:41] <shadeslayer> when i try to debuild qtcreator i get a patch folder,whereas i didnt modify anything,http://pastebin.com/Msdr0rCj
[18:42] <shadeslayer> thats the patch thats generated...
[18:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw if you want i can push the packaging to my bzr branch and we can merge afterwards
[18:51] <shadeslayer> also i think it would be good if we ship new kdepim 
[18:51] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: no need to look at the issue :P
[19:11] <shadeslayer> lex79: question for ya
[19:12] <shadeslayer> how come https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdepim-runtime/ubuntu doesnt have debian/source/format file?
[19:12] <shadeslayer> while changelog indicates we switched to format 3.0 ?
[19:14] <lex79> forgot to run "bzr add" then
[19:14] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:14] <shadeslayer> lex79: ill correct with next upload 
[19:14] <lex79> ok
[19:14] <shadeslayer> runtime is almost done
[19:14] <lex79> Riddell: qtcreator https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa/+packages
[19:14] <shadeslayer> lex79: damn
[19:15] <shadeslayer> lex79: its building locally here :P
[19:15]  * shadeslayer was working on it for past hour :D
[19:15] <lex79> I did two days ago, I said to you if you remember
[19:16] <shadeslayer> might have missed it
[19:16] <shadeslayer> lex79: btw is the examples issue fixed now?
[19:16] <lex79> you asked me to do....
[19:16] <lex79> no
[19:16] <shadeslayer> lex79: yes,but what i asked was to see what the problem with installed examples was...
[19:16] <shadeslayer> :(
[19:17] <lex79> I don't think that problem is in qtcreator
[19:17] <lex79> but I think is in Qt
[19:17] <shadeslayer> qt4-X11 maybe?
[19:17] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:18] <shadeslayer> lex79: btw cant you upload to universe?
[19:19]  * shadeslayer thought *buntu devs got upload rights to universe ...
[19:19] <lex79> we have a Qt snapshot for now, and that problem is not a priority for now
[19:19] <lex79> no, so I asked ^ to Riddell to do that :)
[19:20] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:20] <shadeslayer> still a bug tho...
[19:21] <lex79> really ? :D
[19:21] <shadeslayer> yeah.. qtcreator should pick up installed examples from qt-doc :P
[19:22] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ++
[19:22] <shadeslayer> we can haz muon :D
[19:22] <shadeslayer> lex79: oh btw we can also haz apturl support in rekonq
[19:23] <shadeslayer> lex79: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kubuntu_01_apturl.patch
[19:24] <lex79> well done :)
[19:25] <shadeslayer> lex79: took me 30 mins to write intial patch,then re wrote the patch for better memory mgmt :P
[19:26] <shadeslayer> lex79: btw do test it out :)
[19:27]  * shadeslayer thinks he should update PPA with new patch as well
[19:27] <lex79> I'm a chromium fan :)
[19:28] <shadeslayer> lex79: i alternate between the two :P
[19:28] <shadeslayer> chromium is sucky as of now
[19:29] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: how do i help with muon :D
[19:30]  * shadeslayer can do some add ppa support dialofs
[19:30] <shadeslayer> *dialogs
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> ppa support dialogs?
[19:31] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: like does it add ppa's if i put in ppa:foo
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> that's what software-properties-kde is for
[19:31] <shadeslayer> ohh...
[19:31] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: what needs work then? :P
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> it does need testing. It is only two weeks old
[19:32] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yeah im adding ppa now :P
[19:33] <shadeslayer> i would definitely like this as a package manager for 10.10 tho ...
[19:37] <shadeslayer> btw any idea to stop dolphin asking for my password each time i go inside a dir via sftp?
[19:38] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: wow really : http://pastebin.com/tY9HMRJt
[19:38] <shadeslayer> 144 MB download ... \o/
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> well, since it's prerelease, I want people to give good crash reports :P
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> so I made muon depend on muon-dbg
[19:39] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[19:39] <shadeslayer> i was going to install it anyways 
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> oh, you'll also have to install libdebconf-kde0 manually. It has a bug where debuild won't find it as a dependency
[19:40] <shadeslayer> done
[19:48] <shadeslayer> hmm... kdepim runtime is done... should i push to bzr?
[19:48] <shadeslayer> or should i paste a diff here first?
[19:49] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/ice8hgPK << diff here , will push in a hour....
[19:49] <shadeslayer> poke if you find a problem :P
[19:49] <shadeslayer> lex79: ^^
[20:01] <Riddell> lex79: I should upload that qtcreator?
[20:01] <lex79> yes
[20:02] <shadeslayer> lex79: did you go through the diff i posted?
[20:02] <lex79> no time in this moment
[20:02] <shadeslayer> ok.. np
[20:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hows akademy going? :)
[20:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the koffice developers are busy playing x-box guitar hero
[20:04] <Riddell> oh wait, this channel is logged
[20:04] <Riddell> I mean, the koffice developers are busy debugging koffice
[20:04] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:05]  * shadeslayer would like to debug koffice too 
[20:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh btw,came up with a patch for rekonq + apturl... forwarded to rekonq ML
[20:05] <neversfelde> hehe, did someone with Lucid test the koffice 2.2.1 package from ninjas?
[20:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: saw that thanks, although it seems stange that rekonq should need code for each protocol it ought to just do the right thing with the kioslave
[20:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes,ill be re writing the protocol handler to use kioslave... need to study more tho
[20:06] <shadeslayer> will take a few weeks to understand how to hack it :P
[20:07] <shadeslayer> its just a temporary fix for now
[20:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw any streams from akademy i can watch>
[20:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: video is currently being edited
[20:09] <maco> if you dont get any christmas presents this year, it's Riddell's fault. he ate rudolph
[20:09] <shadeslayer> lol...
[20:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh.. no live feeds? :(
[20:10] <shadeslayer> maco: your at akademy? 
[20:10] <maco> no
[20:10]  * shadeslayer wants to teleport to akademy .... 
[20:10] <shadeslayer> ah ok :P
[20:10] <maco> i just talked to Riddell and he said he was at the pub eating reindeer
[20:10] <shadeslayer> :o
[20:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ewww....
[20:11] <shadeslayer> maco: Santa probably has replacements :P
[20:11] <sheytan> shadeslayer if in some case i miss ofir, but you not, please let me know he's available ;)
[20:11] <shadeslayer> sheytan: sure sure :)
[20:11] <sheytan> Thanks you :)
[20:11] <shadeslayer> sheytan: just keep typing of<tab> and youll know if hes here... thats what i do :P
[20:12] <sheytan> :D
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> wow, today my blog got the most hits it ever has in a day. (and the day is only half over)
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> 963 hits
[20:23] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: uh.... when i hit check for upgrades,everything goes gray...
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: there should be a password dialog that pops up
[20:23] <shadeslayer> nope
[20:23]  * shadeslayer runs with gdb
[20:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/1iXveyrp
[20:24] <shadeslayer> no dialog asking for a password
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> it might have popped up behind the window. the current polkit-kde-1 release has that bug
[20:25] <shadeslayer> uh nope...
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> does a password dialog pop up if you try to apply changes to the Date and Time module in systemsettings?
[20:26] <shadeslayer> lemme check
[20:26] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> oh
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> is libqapt-runtime installed?
[20:26] <shadeslayer> nope :P
[20:27] <shadeslayer> installed now
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> huh, I thought I had libqapt0 depending on it
[20:27] <shadeslayer> works now :D
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> ah, no. I need to have muon depend on it
[20:28] <shadeslayer> this is maverick btw :)
[20:28] <sheytan> shadeslayer Damn, this card looks nice so far :D
[20:28] <shadeslayer> sheytan: :D
[20:28] <sheytan> the kubuntu one ;D
[20:28] <sheytan> will show you in few minutes ;)
[20:28] <shadeslayer> sheytan: yayy
[20:28] <shadeslayer> in case anyone is wondering,sheytan is working on kubuntu buisness card 
[20:28] <sheytan> yeah :D
[20:29]  * shadeslayer has 1900 packages installed :o
[20:29] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: damn you,now i think ill never touch apt-get again :P
[20:29] <shadeslayer> muon is so sexy..
[20:30] <shadeslayer> does it have a option for apt-get -f install ?
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> I don't think it does yet
[20:31] <shadeslayer> ok.. well im trying out a upgrade now :)
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> I've just uploaded fixed muon packages to the QApt ppa
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> so they should be available sometime today
[20:31] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: with new build dep?
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> new regular dep
[20:32]  * shadeslayer will updated muon from muon ..
[20:38] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ooohhh this is going to test muon... its upgrading grub :D
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> that'll probably be more of a test of libdebconf-kde
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> I'm sure dantti would like to hear how it turns out
[20:39] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:39] <shadeslayer> if it passes this.. it can pass anything :D
[20:39] <shadeslayer> well... need to test kde upgrades as well...
[20:40] <shadeslayer> uh waste of space while commiting changes...
[20:41] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1146350 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/CMakeLists.txt Only run moc on QObject-based headers. Fixes two compiler warnings
[20:41] <shadeslayer> :o
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> what would you have it do? Have a dancing cow? :P
[20:41] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/l8IgAV.html 
[20:41] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: well ... upgrade went well
[20:41] <shadeslayer> so muon+1k
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> no debconf dialog?
[20:41] <shadeslayer> uh..nope
[20:41] <shadeslayer> thats what i got..
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I must have my debconf priority set too high
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> because I got debconf with today's grub update. (I didn't really want it though)
[20:42] <shadeslayer> oohh.. thats fast searching
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> just don't search for "lib". That's just about the slowest thing you can search for. Otherwise it should be very fast
[20:43]  * shadeslayer searches lib
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:43] <shadeslayer> yeah... thats slow
[20:43] <shadeslayer> takes about 1 sec to show results...
[20:44] <shadeslayer> also... get screenshot doesnt open the screenshot
[20:44] <shadeslayer> and when i open the screenshot it doesnt show up
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> got pics?
[20:45] <shadeslayer> ah.. with rekonq it doesnt,but with dolphin it does
[20:45] <shadeslayer> maybe add a dialog saying screenshot doesnt exsist?
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> yeah, rekonq doesn't have a screenshot on screenshots.debian.net
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: the button should say that no screenshot is available and grey itself out
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> too subtle?
[20:45] <sheytan> shadeslayer http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1098/kubuntubuisnesscard.png
[20:45] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: it does now,but didnt earlier ( the first time )
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> maybe you were too impatient :P
[20:46] <shadeslayer> sheytan: uh...whats that on the side?
[20:46] <shadeslayer> looks horrible
[20:46] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: maybe its a bug :P
[20:46] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ill try again
[20:47] <sheytan> shadeslayer it was on the others cards so i left it. I don't know what it is :D
[20:47] <shadeslayer> sheytan: what you could do is add it to the bottom... i think its the gnupg key
[20:47] <sheytan> shadeslayer ok ;)
[20:47] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: any ideas on what the stuff on the left might be? http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1098/kubuntubuisnesscard.png
[20:48] <Riddell> on the right?
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> you mean the right?
[20:48] <Riddell> it's a GPG key
[20:48] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:48] <shadeslayer> thought so :)
[20:49] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: one time issue... solved now :P
[20:49] <shadeslayer> aha!
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> probably just a slow connection or something.
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> it'll only say "No screenshot" once kio is done trying
[20:50] <shadeslayer> http://imagebin.ca/view/AZFaCMYH.html
[20:50] <shadeslayer> see that.. and now when i open it with gwenview it says loading meta info failed
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that means kio failed. I probably should just disable the kjob notification to avoid confusion
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> kio will say its finished whether or not it finished successfully :P
[20:51] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[20:51] <shadeslayer> well.. for now.. i cant make muon crash :(
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> mwahaha
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> btw, do you think startup time is too bad?
[20:52] <shadeslayer> startup time?
[20:53] <shadeslayer> loads in under a sec here
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> nice. My optimizations paid off
[20:53] <shadeslayer> layout can be improved a tiny bit...
[20:53] <shadeslayer> having icons on the side of By Category and By Status would help...
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> I'm not sure which icons would fit, though
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> otherwise I would agree
[20:54] <yofel> I like the layout, but what about showing available updates on launch?
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> yofel: I plan to write a small "update" app that would be solely for updates. For example there could be a notification about updates, you click the notification, and it would open up the preview widget with all the updates selected
[20:55] <shadeslayer> hmm... i wouldnt really want a dialog to pop up in my face asking about upgrades
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> soft of like adept updater from olde
[20:55] <sheytan> shadeslayer what do you think about putting a photo there?
[20:55] <yofel> sound nice :)
[20:55] <yofel> *sounds
[20:55] <shadeslayer> sheytan: nah...
[20:55] <shadeslayer> its a buisness card... 
[20:55] <sheytan> ok :D
[20:56] <shadeslayer> your supposed to give it face to face :P
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: have you found yourself in the changelog of any packages yet?
[20:57] <shadeslayer> uh..
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> it's quite neat ^.^
[20:57] <shadeslayer> ill have to check
[20:57] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/bd6XskY.html \o/
[20:58] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: btw would you like to check the bzr diff im pushing to kdepim runtime?
[20:59] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/E7pXa7ja
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> looks good
[20:59] <shadeslayer> hmm..maybe line 93 isnt needed
[21:00] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ^^
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> why wouldn't it be needed?
[21:00] <shadeslayer> uh.. since i put the other 2 XML files in not installed?
[21:00] <shadeslayer> this is why im checking with you guys first :P
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> the ones in not-installed are dbus interfaces only useful if we were shipping a -dev package
[21:01] <shadeslayer> ah.. ok :)
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> there are other mime xml files in that .install file already ;)
[21:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdepim runtime in bzr
[21:05] <shadeslayer> for new beta...
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: oh, I do know a bug that was present in alpha1 that's already fixed in svn. In the "Depends" tab, Conflicts and Replaces listings were usually cut off after '('
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> so if you see that in alpha1, don't worry
[21:06] <shadeslayer> ok :D
[21:07] <sheytan> shadeslayer http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1098/kubuntubuisnesscard.png
[21:08] <shadeslayer> ooh nice
[21:08] <sheytan> i will remake the logo 
[21:08] <sheytan> but not today :)
[21:08] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: Riddell apachelogger ^^
[21:08] <shadeslayer> sheytan: :D
[21:08] <shadeslayer> no seriously ... this is awesome
[21:08] <sheytan> i mean, to remove the blue
[21:08] <sheytan> Thanks :)
[21:08] <shadeslayer> sheytan: which blue?
[21:08] <sheytan> oh yeah, and ive got new skills in svg :D
[21:09] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:09] <sheytan> shadeslayer blue on kubuntu logo ;)
[21:09] <shadeslayer> uh.. yeah .. blue and black conflict...
[21:09] <sheytan> yep
[21:09] <shadeslayer> looks really good tho :)
[21:09] <sheytan> :)
[21:09] <sheytan> ok, brb ;)
[21:10] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: seems to be working here
[21:10] <shadeslayer> everything is listed..
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> replaces with a "<" sign are the only ones that trigger the bug
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> dolphin shows the bug, iirc
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> the problem was that the text widget interpreted it as the start of html...
[21:11] <shadeslayer> yes...
[21:11] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: replaces works tho here..
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> well, that's good I gues :)
[21:12] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/gaYfbfo.html
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> check dolphin and scroll all the way down
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> it's only the ones that specify a version that cause trouble
[21:12] <shadeslayer> yeah.. :)
[21:13] <shadeslayer> dolphin suggests ruby 0_o
[21:13] <shadeslayer> now ive seen everything
[21:17] <Riddell> neversfelde: hmm, koffice in ninjas depends on ttf-lyx
[21:20] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: you have a comment on your site :P
[21:20] <Riddell> ok recommends
[21:20] <neversfelde> Riddell: I can only find a Recommend for this in koffice-libs
[21:22] <Riddell> yes that's it
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: approved
[21:22] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:23] <shadeslayer> oh oh apachelogger mega kubuntu poke
[21:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: need help with splitting kopete
[21:23] <shadeslayer> or for that matter,any help is appreciated
[21:25] <lex79> Riddell: qtmobility is waiting qmf-dev
[21:25] <lex79> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmobility/1.0.1-1
[21:27] <Riddell> neversfelde: I guess we just move that recommend to a suggests
[21:27] <Riddell> neversfelde: I'd ask the koffice developer over there but he's busy playing Anarchy in the UK on Guitar Hero
[21:27] <lex79> shadeslayer: when you add files in install files, would be appreciated in alphabetic order if you can
[21:28] <shadeslayer> lex79: right.. didnt know that ...
[21:28] <Riddell> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/koffice-libs_1%3a2.2.1-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kplato.so', which is also in package kplato 1:2.2.1-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1
[21:28] <Riddell> neversfelde: lucid packages ^^
[21:28] <neversfelde> Riddell: urgs, a friend of mine likes to play that guitar game over hours and always the same song, I hate when she does that
[21:29] <neversfelde> Riddell: yes, but they need testing, I forgot my latop at my fathers place and have no lusic here
[21:29] <shadeslayer> lex79: btw is there a way i can do that? or do i add one file one by one?
[21:29] <neversfelde> s/lusic/lucid
[21:29] <Riddell> neversfelde: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/vQjBTQFD
[21:30] <lex79> shadeslayer: dunno, I do by hand
[21:30] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:31] <neversfelde> Riddell: uh, these are all new files, I can fix this tomorrow evening
[21:31] <shadeslayer> lex79: use sort :D
[21:31] <shadeslayer> do you want me to correct bzr branch ?
[21:32] <Riddell> neversfelde: they're not new and they're already in the correct place which is alongside the binary
[21:32] <lex79> shadeslayer: if you want fix...do it :)
[21:32] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:32] <Riddell> neversfelde: I can just fix it and upload
[21:33] <neversfelde> Riddell: k, but as far as I remember I added them to koffice-libs.install
[21:33] <Riddell> neversfelde: yes, which is wrong :)
[21:33] <Riddell> let's see if I can test it on lucid using ssh -X
[21:34] <neversfelde> Riddell: ok
[21:34] <neversfelde> so why did list-missing showed them to me, if they are already there?
[21:36] <shadeslayer> lex79: pushed
[21:36] <Riddell> hi Sime, you're missing a good akademy
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> he must have been jealous :P
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> though I must say, I am a bit too
[21:38] <lex79> shadeslayer: sounds good thanks :)
[21:38] <shadeslayer> ok im off to sleep.. 
[21:38] <shadeslayer> cya tommorow :)
[21:38] <lex79> poor JontheEchidna ;(
[21:38] <lex79> shadeslayer: good night  :)
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> oo! oo! Lots more akademy videos
[21:41] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: where?
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: http://home.kde.org/~akademy10/videos/
[21:41] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: damn! now i want to stay and watch
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> was only 3 there a few hours ago
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> *were
[21:42] <shadeslayer> can i download the entire dir?
[21:42] <shadeslayer> in one go...
[21:42]  * JontheEchidna goes straight for "Tools and Tips for KDE development" "KDE performance" talks
[21:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: wget -r -l1 http://home.kde.org/~akademy10/videos/
[21:42] <shadeslayer> oohh
[21:43] <shadeslayer> now i can go to sleep :P
[21:44] <shadeslayer> will see vids tmmrw on phone :D
[21:46] <lex79> qtmobility will replace qt multimedia in Qt 4.7 ? I mean, they want split out qt multimedia from Qt source?
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> lex79: right
[21:48] <lex79> thx
[21:51] <Riddell> lex79: nobody knows
[21:51] <Riddell> I asked thiago to explain it to me and he just said "I wish I knew"
[21:51] <lex79> lol
[21:53] <lex79> Debian is preparing Qt without multimedia package
[21:53] <lex79> http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git;a=commit;h=d31301ed4629e7d2db22eee7ea6e11a73ac791cd
[21:53] <Riddell> I should find fabo this week and say hi to him, don't think I have yet
[21:54] <lex79> :)
[21:55] <Mamarok> lex79: that makes a lot of sense, since there is close to nothing useable in that package
[21:57] <lex79> got it
[21:58] <Riddell> agateau famous at last! http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2076
[22:01] <lex79> \o/
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> neat!
[22:01] <neversfelde> haha, private jet
[22:03] <lex79> Riddell: do we want a new snapshot of Qt for KDE 4.5 RC2 ?
[22:03] <lex79> or wait the beta2?
[22:07] <neversfelde> Riddell: shall I correct the lucid version of koffice? Or did you do it?
[22:18] <ScottK> Riddell: Nice.
[22:18] <ScottK> (about agateau)
[22:25] <Riddell> lex79: I don't much mind about Qt but I would like to see if a new snapshot of QtWebkit stops rekonq crashing every 2 minutes
[22:25] <Riddell> neversfelde: koffice uploaded to marverick and lucid-backports, thanks much
[22:26] <neversfelde> great :)
[22:26] <neversfelde> thanks Riddell