[02:08] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here:
[02:08] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue200
[07:10] <jono> kim0, welcome! :-)
[07:10] <kim0> jono: Thanks man :)
[07:10] <kim0> let's of people in here
[07:10] <jono> kim0, just add this to your auto-join :)
[07:10] <jono> kim0, if you could make sure you are in while working, that would be awesome :-)
[07:10] <kim0> got it
[07:10] <jono> everyone, kim0 is our fifth horseman :-)
[07:11] <kim0> Hello horsemen :)
[07:11] <jono> kim0, so this chan is full of community members
[07:11] <ddecator> we have horsemen? o.o
[07:11] <jono> of which dholbach, jcastro, and dpm are on our team :-)
[07:11] <jono> ddecator, lol
[07:11] <kim0> hehe
[07:13] <jono> kim0, I am also going to send you a presentation now which explains burndown charts
[07:14] <jono> kim0, don't expect to understand all of it, it will just give you an idea of what they are and how they work
[07:14] <jono> I will explain more on tues
[07:14] <kim0> okie sounds good
[07:20] <jono> howdy jussi
[07:22] <jono> kim0, ok I am off for a bit, back later, dholbach will get you started
[07:22] <jono> thanks!
[07:22] <kim0> Thank you ..
[07:22] <jono> :)
[07:22] <kim0> c ya
[07:22] <jono> later
[07:30] <kim0> dholbach: morning
[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[07:30] <dholbach> hey kim0!
[07:30] <kim0> hehe
[07:30] <kim0> so you'll kick start me today
[07:31] <dholbach> :-)
[07:32] <ddecator> morning dholbach
[07:32] <dholbach> hi ddecator
[07:35] <dholbach> everybody: kim0 is Ahmed Kamal and will work with the Cloud Community
[07:35] <dholbach> kim0: welcome to the fun! :)
[07:35] <kim0> Thanks dholbach .. So excited to join folks
[07:35] <dholbach> kim0: how's Cairo today?
[07:35] <kim0> hehe .. nice weather
[07:35] <dholbach> not too hot yet? :)
[07:35] <kim0> nah .. it's cool these days
[07:35] <kim0> ~ 28 or so
[07:36] <dholbach> that's ok :)
[08:34] <dholbach> kim0_: do you know anybody in the Egyptian LoCo team? https://launchpad.net/~egyptlocoteam
[08:35] <dholbach> seems like the Egyptian team are planning something right now: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/196/detail/
[08:37] <kim0_> recognize a few names there .. and at least one of em is a friend .. catching up on the plans
[08:47]  * dholbach takes the dog to the vet - see you in a bit
[08:50] <ddecator> dholbach: hope s/he is alright :(
[08:51] <dholbach> ddecator: yeah, she had surgery 2-3 weeks ago, so it should be fine soon again
[08:51] <dholbach> brb
[08:52]  * dholbach hugs ddecator
[08:52]  * ddecator hugs dholbach 
[09:23] <jono> dholbach, still out?
[09:31] <kim0_> Yeah
[09:32] <jono> kim0_, ok let me see if someone in IS can get you set up
[09:32] <kim0_> jono, they seem to already have a ticket for me
[09:32] <jono> kim0_, ahhh great
[09:32] <jono> so we are just waiting on them
[09:32] <kim0_> dholbach pinged them .. and they mentioned they're waiting for London to come up
[09:32] <jono> what is the ticket number?
[09:32] <kim0_> guess they should be up now
[09:32] <kim0_> getting it
[09:33] <jono> thnaks
[09:33] <jono> thanks
[09:33] <kim0_> jono, #40017
[09:34] <jono> thanks kim0_
[09:34] <kim0_> most welcome
[09:34] <dholbach> jono: back
[09:34] <jono> thanks dholbach
[09:34] <jono> if you could follow up with IS, that would be great
[09:34] <dholbach> will do
[09:34] <jono> they are gonna need wrangling
[09:34] <jono> thanks, pal
[09:34] <dholbach> no worries
[09:34] <jono> I am wrapping some things here and I am heading to bed in 30mins or so
[09:35] <jono> so will be up for a bit
[09:35] <jono> dholbach, all ok with the dog?
[09:36] <dholbach> jono: yeah, the wound finally healed, so we can take off the stupid satellite dish
[09:36] <jono> fantastic :)
[09:36] <kim0> satellite dish ?!
[09:37] <dholbach> http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3584/dogvsantennags1.jpg
[09:37] <dholbach> dogs have to put it on, so they stay away from a wound that's healing
[09:38] <kim0> aahh .. glad she's recovering just fine
[09:39] <jono> kim0, ok you should have access to the canonical wiki now
[09:39] <kim0> okie dokie .. thanks .. checking it out
[09:39] <jono> kim0, so now you can perform the new staff tasks which was linked in the email
[09:40] <kim0> Attacking :)
[09:40] <jono> :)
[09:44] <jono> kim0, what is your LP username?
[09:45] <kim0> jono, kim0
[09:45] <jono> aha!
[09:46] <jono> kim0, did you get into the canonical wiki ok?
[09:47] <kim0> jono, yep, just fine
[09:47] <jono> cool :)
[10:22] <czajkowski> Aloha folks! Tis Monday a new week!!!
[10:24] <jono> hey czajkowski
[10:24] <czajkowski> jono: ello.... eh what timezone are you in
[10:24] <czajkowski> jono: not that I'm not happy to see you, I just had to make sure what time it was
[10:24] <dholbach> czajkowski: he's in the land of sleep-deprivation
[10:25] <popey> Morning Ubuntuites!
[10:25] <czajkowski> dholbach: :)
[10:25] <dholbach> morning czajkowski, popey
[10:25] <dholbach> how are you guys doing?
[10:26] <popey> Great!
[10:26] <czajkowski> FANTASTIC!
[10:26] <dholbach> jono: did I show you mhall's newest changes to loco.ubuntu.com?
[10:26] <dholbach> jono: the theme is based on what he did with the ubuntu-website team, so it'll be easier for us to stay up to date now
[10:26] <dholbach> he just rocks
[10:27]  * popey wonders what needs to be done to address bug 585940 which is a bit of a 'celebrity' bug report
[10:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 585940 in ubuntu-website "Text reads "not recommended" for 64-bit (affects: 41) (heat: 210)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585940
[10:27] <popey> and is getting negative attention
[10:28] <dholbach> did you talk to newz2000 about it?
[10:28] <popey> not recently
[10:28] <popey> he's aware of it
[10:28]  * popey pokes him in -website
[10:28] <dholbach> maybe he needs a renewed prod? :)
[10:29] <jono> dholbach, ooh
[10:30] <jono> dholbach, looks great!
[10:30] <dholbach> yeah :)
[10:31] <jono> czajkowski, in cali
[10:31] <jono> just don't need to be up early tomorrow
[10:32] <czajkowski> jono: tomorow is today :) go sleep you loon
[10:32] <jono> hehe
[10:32] <czajkowski> kim0: Aloha there Welcome
[10:32] <jono> I am heading to bed in two ticks
[10:32] <kim0> czajkowski, Hi there :)
[10:32] <kim0> jono, nightie
[10:33] <dholbach> sleep tight and have a nice day off
[10:33] <popey> (slacker)
[10:33] <popey> ;)
[10:33] <kim0> hehe
[10:33] <jono> heh
[10:33] <jono> Severed Fifth for much of tomorrow
[10:33] <jono> finishing the album
[10:34] <jono> night, all!
[10:34] <czajkowski> nn jono
[10:34] <jono> kim0, have a great first day :-)
[10:35] <kim0> jono, You cana be sure I am .. Thank you :D
[10:35] <kim0> can*
[10:35] <jono> :)
[11:29] <dholbach> james_w: I'm so excited - dylan's first cut of work landed today :-D
[11:48]  * dholbach → lunch
[13:02] <jussi> does anyone here know who runs ubuntu-eu.org?
[13:03] <czajkowski> jussi: ask huats
[13:03] <czajkowski> but I think there's been some falling out
[13:04] <jussi> :/
[13:04] <czajkowski> hmm no developer week logo
[13:04] <czajkowski> feck all the others have one
[13:04] <czajkowski> jussi: he's online
[13:04] <jussi> its rather frustrating. they have no contact details on their website, no way of communicating with them.
[13:07] <czajkowski> jussi: hmm there is a way I just have the details to hand on this machine
[13:08] <jussi> czajkowski: Im talking to huats now.
[13:09] <czajkowski> sortedso
[13:23] <popey> there is #ubuntu-eu
[13:28] <jussi> yeah, I found that thanks popey
[13:44] <dholbach> james_w: I split out the recipe docs into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyBuilds/Recipes and linked it from the knowledge base - does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyBuilds/GettingStarted?action=diff&rev2=21&rev1=20 look good to you?
[13:44] <dholbach> james_w: as the default case?
[14:32] <james_w> dholbach: is his work deployed?
[14:34] <czajkowski> kim0: how are you getting on Day 1
[14:34] <dholbach> james_w: no, not deployed it - the ticket is still open and I guess we should schedule a meeting with interested folks to iron out a few more (small) issues
[14:37] <nigelb> hola folks!
[14:39] <czajkowski> nigelb: howdy
[14:40] <nigelb> czajkowski: heya
[14:40] <nigelb> there was strike in whole of india for increased fuel prices - what a day!
[14:40] <czajkowski> nigelb: we have kim0 in here today say hi
[14:40] <czajkowski> nigelb: lordie
[14:40] <nigelb> czajkowski: was stuck without food in the morning :/
[14:41] <nigelb> thankfully, went to a friend's place and spent the day with them
[14:41] <nigelb> I have 48 hours of backlog to catch up with! Good lord!
[14:41] <czajkowski> nigelb: not  agood start
[14:41] <nigelb> definitely not! But, having a lazy monday is a very good thing
[14:44] <nigelb> czajkowski: ah, we finally have a cloud community representative :)
[14:44] <czajkowski> we do
[14:46] <nigelb> I missed so much! I'm so pissed at my laptop not working right now :/
[14:48] <czajkowski> squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I have rugby tickets for world cup :D
[14:49] <nigelb> rugby has world cup?
[14:49]  * nigelb runs from czajkowski 
[14:49] <czajkowski> next summer
[14:49] <nigelb> wow, thats early :)
[14:50] <nigelb> btw, folks, I have a new alter ego blog nigelblogs.wordpress.com - I'll probably start blogging from tomorrow, its my web developer alter ego :)
[14:56] <czajkowski> well september would be when I'd be going over
[14:57] <nigelb> where is it?
[14:58] <czajkowski> NEW ZEALAND
[14:58] <czajkowski> I'm invading
[14:59] <nigelb> heh
[15:00] <nigelb> czajkowski: leave poor ben alone ;)
[15:00] <czajkowski> he wont come near me with a camera this time
[15:00] <nigelb> LOL
[15:06] <nigelb> czajkowski: orla looks beautiful!
[15:06] <nigelb> the picture with the 2 kids is soooooo cute :)
[15:08] <czajkowski> aye that's Oisin (ush een)
[15:08] <czajkowski> her 4 yr old brother
[15:13] <nigelb> :)
[15:16] <AlanBell> oh, that reminds me I was going to send a challenge out to the -nz team
[15:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: would it be an idea to mail the team contacts?
[15:17] <czajkowski> and get them to forward the mail?
[15:17] <popey> yeah, that works
[15:17] <popey> (psst, it doesnt)
[15:18] <czajkowski> popey: :(
[15:18] <czajkowski> it should work if contacts were actually doing what they're meant to do
[15:18]  * czajkowski refrains from ranting 
[15:18] <AlanBell> interesting point (from both of you)
[15:19] <AlanBell> don't really see why I can't just email their lists, the PoC isn't really a gatekeeper of information
[15:20] <AlanBell> and as I am not on either list it gets moderated anyway
[15:20]  * nigelb would suggest joiing with web-only status
[15:20] <AlanBell> yeah, I could join with nomail setting
[15:20] <nigelb> that way you can send as many mails as you want and nothing much in
[15:21] <nigelb> I'm sub'd to a bunch of LoCo's to see how they do their stuff
[15:21] <czajkowski> AlanBell: well joinging  alist kinda fecks up peoples stats tbh
[15:21] <nigelb> which explains the 400 mails in my inbox
[15:21] <czajkowski> as it#'s not a realistic count of who's on teams
[15:21] <nigelb> we can't worry about numbers
[15:21] <czajkowski> nigelb: can do if you're reviewing teams for their re approval though
[15:21] <czajkowski> :D
[15:21] <AlanBell> so convince me it would be rude to send it to the list rather than via the contact
[15:21] <nigelb> I mean, thats not a reasonable excuse.  In that case, I'm screwing up a bunch of stats
[15:22]  * nigelb thinks it may not be rude
[15:22] <czajkowski> nigelb: some people like stats, AlanBell does
[15:22] <AlanBell> :-)
[15:22] <nigelb> czajkowski: Ah, that explains the stats excuse
[15:22] <czajkowski> nigelb: so if a loco team says 120 eople on their mailing list
[15:23] <czajkowski> now I have to wonder is 120 accurate or
[15:23] <czajkowski> are people just suscribing to send 1 mail once and never again
[15:23] <czajkowski> just a thought mind
[15:23] <czajkowski> ;)
[15:23] <nigelb> I think the mail traffic is a better stat
[15:24]  * AlanBell is not sure what to do now
[15:24] <AlanBell> for those who haven't seen it http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/earthsandwich
[15:25] <popey> czajkowski: you can ask for numbers of people who actually get mail
[15:26] <popey> czajkowski: and I dont rely on that number anyway, all mailing lists have 10% people who do stuff, 20% who also contribute and 70% who just lurk (In my experience)
[15:26] <popey> so the numbers are largely meaningless
[15:26]  * nigelb supports popey 's view
[15:26] <czajkowski> popey: well that is also true
[15:26] <popey> if you run "mls" against any mailing list mailbox you'll see these stats borne out
[15:27] <popey> Note: numbers above were plucked out of my hair :)
[15:27] <czajkowski> I was just thinking that now more people would suscribe to send one mail and possibly may or may not follow up.
[15:27] <czajkowski> popey: thick hair do!
[15:27] <popey> i dont think it's that widespread to be a problem
[15:27] <popey> czajkowski: I'm worth it.
[15:27] <czajkowski> popey: I dont either, these were todays thoughts
[15:28] <czajkowski> popey: I'm going to new zeland I'm in flying form :D #
[15:28] <popey> ooo
[15:28] <czajkowski> popey: september 2011, but still squeeeee
[15:30] <AlanBell> so why should I send it to the contacts?
[15:31] <czajkowski> AlanBell: so in theory they can explain it to the team and get them inovlved. maybe add it to their irc meeting agenda and discuss look for help
[15:31] <czajkowski> just a thought mind
[15:32] <AlanBell> hmm, they still can do all that
[15:32] <czajkowski> aye
[15:32] <czajkowski> they could also say no
[15:32] <czajkowski> dont see why though
[15:32] <czajkowski> do let us know what way you go and how it's worked out
[15:34] <AlanBell> mailing to the lists.
[15:35] <AlanBell> anyone I should cc?
[15:40] <AlanBell> I think I will cc the uk team
[15:41] <czajkowski> thats gonna get to be a long winded thread
[15:41] <AlanBell> good
[15:41] <nigelb> AlanBell: whatever you do, I hope the idea doesn't get sidetracked
[15:42]  * czajkowski hugs AlanBell 
[15:42] <czajkowski> wow you do love stats and graphs!!!
[15:43] <nigelb> czajkowski: I think if he hadn't discovered computers, AlanBell would be teaching statics or maths in some university ;)
[15:44] <nigelb> *statistics
[15:44] <czajkowski> nigelb: :)
[15:44] <AlanBell> hmm, the mail to -es is held for moderation as expected
[15:45]  * nigelb thinks of Professor Bell teaching about the Bell curve :D
[15:45] <AlanBell> the one to -nz got rejected automatically :-(
[15:45] <czajkowski> AlanBell: why ?
[15:45] <czajkowski> was there a reason in the email
[15:45] <AlanBell> because I am not a member of the list
[15:46] <czajkowski> hmm
[15:46] <czajkowski> bit severe
[15:47] <popey> nah, pretty normal
[15:47] <nigelb> gives less work for mailman moderator
[15:47] <popey> I'd probably have opened with "hello"
[15:47] <popey> your mail looks like spam
[15:51] <AlanBell> I registered on the -nz list and sent it
[15:52] <popey> Quick! Unregister before czajkowski catches you!
[15:52] <nigelb> lol
[15:52]  * czajkowski poke popey 
[15:52] <czajkowski> cheeky
[15:52] <popey> :D
[15:52] <popey> you love me really
[15:53] <popey> czajkowski: we're recording the podcast tonight, if anyone has any news / events / updates we'd love to have them
[15:53] <dholbach> there's a lot of good stuff in UWN
[15:53] <popey> true
[15:53] <czajkowski> popey: 200th edition of UWN
[15:53]  * nigelb hugs dholbach :)
[15:53] <AlanBell> 200th edition therof
[15:54]  * dholbach hugs nigelb
[15:54] <popey> we are mentioning that
[15:54] <nigelb> UWN FTW!
[15:54] <dholbach> UDW!
[15:54] <nigelb> popey: UUD and UDW too?
[15:54] <popey> ooo
[15:54]  * popey adds UDW
[15:54] <popey> great! thanks!
[15:54] <popey> keep them coming!
[15:55] <nigelb> popey: seif interview was quite entertaining ;)
[15:55] <czajkowski> popey: http://www.nationalclcsconference.org/
[15:55] <czajkowski> open source stream now becoming more main stream at conferences
[16:02] <popey> added czajkowski
[16:06] <czajkowski> popey: we'll keep you
[16:46] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[16:46] <dholbach> see you tomorrow!
[16:46] <dholbach> and have a great rest of your day :)
[16:50] <nhandler> You too dholbach
[16:50] <dholbach> thanks nhandler
[16:57] <czajkowski> dholbach: bye
[16:57] <dholbach> bye czajkowski :)
[17:50] <jono> hi all
[17:54] <qense> hello jono
[17:55] <jono> hey qense
[18:14] <czajkowski> popey: could be a great way to meet locos when there though nice idea
[18:40] <vish> jono: hey  , got a min for a lernid related bug?
[18:41] <vish> any reason lernid is in this category :  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/546968 , ?
[18:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 546968 in lernid (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Inappropriately appears in Ubuntu Software Center "Developer Tools" > "Python" (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Low,Confirmed]
[18:42] <jono> vish, I am not maintaining Lernid anymore mbudde does
[18:42] <vish> jono: cool ,thanks . is there a channel for Lernid ?
[18:43] <vish> oh seems there is a #lernid  , but no one there ;)
[18:43] <jono> np
[18:43] <jono> vish, #lernid I think
[19:52]  * nhandler notes that #lernid should probably be ##lernid
[20:04] <AlanBell> why?
[20:04] <AlanBell> if it was #learning it should probably be ##learning
[20:08] <nhandler> AlanBell: To comply with freenode's channel naming policy ( http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming ). Basically, without an approved group registration form, it should have 2 #s
[20:12] <AlanBell> oh, didn't know about any forms. I figured lernid has a reasonable claim on the name lernid
[20:25] <nhandler> AlanBell: Yeah, they definitely have a reasonable claim, and jono or mbudde could fill out the form (although it might take a while to get processed until the GMS is up and running)
[20:27] <czajkowski> nhandler: aye but you can poke a staffer if needed
[20:48] <jussi> hrm, have we any french speakers familiar with contracts who want some paid work?