[01:13] <daker> dutchie, ping
[03:55] <zkriesse> HAPPY FOURTH!
[04:09] <godbyk-sagan> Hey, zkriesse.
[04:09] <godbyk-sagan> No fireworks here. Heavy rains instead.
[04:09] <zkriesse> argh
[04:09]  * zkriesse doesn't do fireworks either
[08:18] <jenkins> morning all
[08:19] <thorwil> morning!
[08:19] <nisshh> afternoon for me!
[08:43] <jenkins> any one running only kde?
[08:46] <nisshh> jenkins: nope, but i used to run kde for a little while, why?
[08:47] <jenkins> I would like to know what os.environ.get('DESKTOP_SESSION') in python gives, it may not work in kde aparently
[08:49] <nisshh> ah, i dont have kde installed right now
[08:49] <nisshh> couldnt tell you
[08:49] <nisshh> jenkins: gimme a sec i might be able to find out for you though
[08:50] <jenkins> ok thanks
[08:55] <nisshh> jenkins: sorry, no one is running kde that i can get a hold of right now
[08:55] <jenkins> thanks for trying :)
[08:56] <nisshh> jenkins: oh, hang on, found someone maybe
[08:56] <nisshh> jenkins: ok whats the code you need run?
[08:56] <jenkins> import os
[08:57] <jenkins> then  os.environ.get('DESKTOP_SESSION')
[08:57] <jenkins> run python first
[08:57] <nisshh> yep
[08:57] <jenkins> what ever the output is would be great
[09:00] <nisshh> jenkins: it might take a bit of time, the guy has to pass it to another guy
[09:00] <jenkins> ok cool, this is a team effort
[09:00] <nisshh> jenkins: yea
[09:00] <thorwil> anyone here familiar with greek hyphenation rules?
[09:01] <nisshh> thorwil: no, sorry
[09:02] <nisshh> godbyk maybe?
[09:02] <jenkins> thorwil: Guest93627 should be
[09:03] <nisshh> jenkins: sorry, the guys vm was dead
[09:03] <jenkins> no worries i will set a vm up, probably should do that anyway
[09:03] <jenkins> thanks to all for trying
[09:04] <nisshh> jenkins: no wait, lol, found another guy
[09:04] <thorwil> Guest93627: hi! can you show me where one can hyphenate in the following text? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jJp2qLu6
[09:10] <nisshh> jenkins: ok, i have the output!
[09:11] <jenkins> yey, what does it say?
[09:11] <nisshh> ok
[09:12] <nisshh> it locked up the guys konsole and then spat out this: >>> os.environ.get('DESKTOP_SESSION') 'default' >>>
[09:12] <nisshh> and thats it
[09:12] <jenkins> hmm thats what i thought 'default' thank you to both of you
[09:12] <nisshh> no probs :)
[09:21] <Guest93627> thorwil which word needs hyphenation?
[09:22] <thorwil> Guest93627: εργασίες. maybe others afterwards
[09:22] <Guest93627> ερ-γα-σί-ες
[09:23] <thorwil> ah, suddenly a nice block!
[09:23] <thorwil> Guest93627: οδηγό?
[09:24] <Guest93627> ο-δη-γό
[09:26] <thorwil> Guest93627: ανάγνωση, let me guess: α-νά-γν-ωση?
[09:27] <Guest93627> α-νά-γνω-ση
[09:27] <Guest93627> :p
[09:27] <Guest93627> too close
[09:27] <thorwil> heh
[09:28] <Guest93627> is there another word that needs hyphenation cause i need to go...
[09:28] <thorwil> Guest93627: no, it's good now, thank you!
[09:28] <Guest93627> ok.. bye :)
[09:49] <thorwil> damn, somehow ended up with 2 old commits in my lucid-e1 branch that i never pushed and have 22 revs not pulled :(
[09:51] <jenkins> thorwil: bzr uncommit them then pull and recommit
[09:51] <jenkins> just incase you did not know :)
[10:20] <thorwil> well, fixed
[10:21] <jenkins> hemanth: ping
[10:21] <hemanth> jenkins, yo
[10:22] <jenkins> hello you wrote http://pastebin.com/nEU9uvbd for quickshot, did you test os.environ.get('DESKTOP_SESSION') in kde? and get kde out like the code says? I find that it gives 'default'
[10:24] <hemanth> jenkins, yes it was tested in kde, are u getting default for kde!?
[10:25] <jenkins> nissh-h got some one to test it as I have not sorted out my vms. I also read a forum post that got default
[10:25] <thorwil> godbyk: c7p mailed the back cover translation to me, i created the lulu_el.svg (pushed) and just asked him to check it for errors
[10:26] <hemanth> jenkins, strange, sure will cross check
[10:27] <jenkins> hemanth: thanks
[10:27] <hemanth> jenkins, np, my pleasure
[10:31]  * hemanth switching to kde
[10:37] <hemanth> jenkins, working fine, what was the exact issue that happened? Me on lucid
[10:38] <jenkins> there has been no issue it was just something i have stumbled along with os.environ.get('DESKTOP_SESSION')
[10:42] <hemanth> o! ok, what does it say?
[10:43] <jenkins> default
[10:43] <jenkins> is the output it gives
[10:46] <abhi_nav> when will e2 will release?
[10:47] <jenkins> abhi_nav: not sure tbh
[10:47] <hemanth> jenkins,pass the link, if u have it now, please
[10:47] <abhi_nav> jenkins, ok. is it with 10.10 or before?
[10:47] <abhi_nav> any rough idea/
[10:47] <abhi_nav> ?
[10:48] <jenkins> hemanth: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1139057
[10:48] <hemanth> jenkins, thanks
[10:50] <jenkins> abhi_nav: we set a date at one point but I can't rember, the person to ask is not on at the moment
[10:50] <abhi_nav> jenkins, ok. thanks for your time though. :)
[10:51] <jenkins> abhi_nav: no problem I could not do anything at the moment. If you hang around i can grab the person when they come online
[10:52] <abhi_nav> jenkins, not its not that much urgent. Actually I am slowing progressing with e1 translation. so just fearing how to keep up with e2 translation. :(
[10:52] <abhi_nav> slowly*
[10:52] <jenkins> :( hopefully some strings are the same in lucid-e2 . What language are you?
[10:53] <hemanth> jenkins, good catch, the discussions there makes a guess that, gdm is setting the desktop_session variable, so if people are on pure KDE only then it might not work
[10:53] <jenkins> * doing.
[10:53] <abhi_nav> jenkins, Marathi(mr) मराठी
[10:53] <hemanth> jenkins, os.environ.get('KDE_FULL_SESSION') is the suggested method
[10:54] <jenkins> hemanth: was that in the thread? did i miss it. I should not get distracted
[10:54] <jenkins> abhi_nav: i have not heard of that which countries speak it
[10:55] <hemanth> jenkins, yes its suggested in the last comment
[10:55] <abhi_nav> jenkins, no not country. its speed in Maharashtra state of India
[10:55] <abhi_nav> jenkins, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathi_language
[10:55] <jenkins> hemanth: so it is. i just wasted 30 minutes finding that the long way
[10:56] <hemanth> jenkins, no issues, shall i make those re-fixes ?
[10:56] <jenkins> abhi_nav: wow
[10:56] <abhi_nav> jenkins, :)
[10:57] <jenkins> hemanth: no worries am moving it to a different file, along with the display stuff. quickshot in the main branch is broken at the moment.
[10:57] <hemanth> jenkins, okies
[10:58] <jenkins> thanks for checking hemanth
[10:58] <jenkins> good luck with it abhi_nav
[10:58] <abhi_nav> jenkins, thankyou!!! :D
[10:58] <hemanth> thats ok, i'm must thank you also :)
[13:56] <jenkins> be back later
[15:06] <nisshh> aquarius: i was talking with Rick earlier today about the ubuntu dev manual, are you still planning on writing the chapter about desktopcouch?
[15:07] <aquarius> nisshh, in theory, yeah, but if someone else writes it I'd be more than happy to make suggestions, and that would make it more likely that it got written sooner
[15:09] <nisshh> aquarius: right, because your working on maverick, just like pretty much everyone else who is an "author" for the dev manual
[15:10] <nisshh> aquarius: im thinking of taking it on as one of my projects and i suppose ill write the bulk of it and i figure you guys could sort of as you said "mentor" me and make suggestions
[15:11] <aquarius> that'd be superb. I'd be more than happy to do that :)
[15:12] <nisshh> aquarius: yea, because its obvious that a whole bunch of people WANT to do it, but you guys obviously dont have the time, which is a shame
[15:13] <aquarius> nisshh, you stepping up is superb heroism
[15:13] <nisshh> aquarius: thanks :)
[15:14] <nisshh> aquarius: i just dont want to see something like the dev manual, which i think is key to getting new devs onboard, go down the drain simply because we didnt have time to write it
[15:14] <aquarius> nisshh, I agree entirely
[15:14] <nisshh> aquarius: yup :)
[16:25] <j1mc> hi all - how are things going w/ regards to the content management website?
[16:25] <nisshh> j1mc: still a concept at the moment :)
[16:25] <j1mc> i haven't seen much activity on the ubuntu-manual list about it recently - have their been discussions on irc
[16:25] <j1mc> nisshh: are there any plans documented anywhere?
[16:25] <j1mc> just trying to get an idea of where things stand
[16:26] <nisshh> hmmm, there was a mockup done a while ago
[16:26] <nisshh> i dont have the link though
[16:26] <j1mc> yes, i do recall that.  no worries.
[16:26] <nisshh> basically, things abot it are the same as when the idea first came about
[16:26] <semioticrobotic> have we even settled on a format for storing/presenting the content?
[16:27] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: i dont know, i think ilya was researching that
[16:28] <semioticrobotic> nisshh: okay.  I thought the momentum seemed to be building behind docbook, but I couldn't really confirm that
[16:28] <nisshh> j1mc: i only asked about it yesterday and the answer was the same
[16:28] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: yea, i lost track of it after about 3 ML posts
[16:29] <nisshh> it was a toss up between docbook and mallard i think
[16:29] <semioticrobotic> ha!  yeah, me too
[16:29] <j1mc> i think essentially what we're talking about is creating a CMS.
[16:30] <j1mc> i've done some more digging... was looking at plone.
[16:30] <semioticrobotic> n00b question: Using x-chat, how to I mark myself as "back" from being away?
[16:30] <j1mc> plone features: http://plone.org/products/plone/features/3.0
[16:30] <daker> nisshh, j1mc  https://code.launchpad.net/~adnane002/ubuntu-manual-website/uslc
[16:31] <dutchie> semioticrobotic: i'd guess just /away
[16:31] <semioticrobotic> dutchie: Me too!  I tried that and it didn't work
[16:31] <dutchie> /back?
[16:32] <semioticrobotic> you rock
[16:32] <semioticrobotic> I knew it had to be simple, but it does seem odd that x-chat would stray from that convention
[16:32] <daker> Ctrl+Alt+A
[16:32] <j1mc> daker: thanks
[16:32] <nisshh> j1mc: right, its not just a CMS, we are using part of a CMS and adding various things on top
[16:33] <nisshh> daker: i knew there was code somewhere\
[16:33] <semioticrobotic> I believe I've seen Plone in action, but only as a user (never to administer anything)
[16:33] <nisshh> yea
[16:36] <j1mc> semioticrobotic: i have no experience with it whatsoever.  just think it has a good feature set, and i'm wary of trying to roll our own.
[16:36] <j1mc> that's just me, though.
[16:37] <j1mc> i don't want to put "stop energy" on the project, though.
[16:37] <j1mc> just want to recommend plone as something that might be helpful.
[16:37] <j1mc> if that makes sense
[16:38] <nisshh> j1mc: that makes perfect sense, really you should talk to humphreybc though
[16:38] <nisshh> hes the "dude to talk to"
[16:39] <j1mc> i'm putting a note out to the ubuntu-doc ml, copying the manual ml
[16:39] <j1mc> just wanted to check-in here first.
[16:39] <j1mc> thanks, all. :)
[16:39] <semioticrobotic> j1mc: Makes perfect sense, and I agree.  I know "making our own tools" is a core component of the team's ethos, but in this we might be best served by something already in place (that we can modify)
[16:39] <nisshh> j1mc: no need to check-in with us, just go ahead and post suggestions
[17:09] <daker> dutchie, ping
[17:10] <dutchie> daker: pong
[17:10] <daker> for the bugs reported with the bug form, it would be nice if you tags them bug "Bug reporter" or something like that
[17:10] <dutchie> ok
[17:10] <dutchie> will do
[17:11] <daker> also if you can add filed that can show the status on the website
[17:11] <daker> if it possible
[17:11] <daker> it's
[17:12] <dutchie> so you press the "report" button, and get sent to a "Bug filed" page on bugs.u-m.o?
[17:14] <daker> no just on the list of bugs add a filed that can show the status of the bug
[17:15] <dutchie> oh, field
[17:15] <dutchie> on our website?
[17:16] <daker> yes
[17:16] <dutchie> where?
[17:18] <daker> on the bugs details people should see the progress of the bug
[17:18] <dutchie> there isn't a bug detail page yet :)
[17:18] <daker> in other way add field in models.py
[17:19] <daker> for the status
[17:20] <daker> there is lang, rev, page, email... then status of the bug
[17:21] <dutchie> if i was to get the status, i'd just fetch it from LP, not save it in the DB
[17:22] <daker> why not adding a crontab that can fetch bugs from lp then update the db ?
[17:22] <dutchie> tagging implemented and pushe
[17:22] <dutchie> not needed
[17:22] <daker> cool oki
[19:44] <thorwil> c7p: just read your mail. you're welcome!
[19:45] <thorwil> godbyk: so lulu_el.svg is ready. shall i add a pdf export to the branch?
[19:50] <c7p> thorwil: :)
[20:15] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil: yeah, that'd be great! thanks!
[20:15] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil: I just noticed this TeX package, too.  It may be helpful in the future: http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/svg-inkscape/InkscapePDFLaTeX.pdf
[20:15] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil: It allows us to basically run an Inkscape SVG through LaTeX (to let LaTeX handle the text work).
[20:17] <thorwil> godbyk-sagan: you just noticed? i vaguely recall pasting you a link to that, taken from an inkscape mailing list ;)
[20:17] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil: ah, yeah. just noticed. i found the posting to comp.text.tex. it was posted eons ago.
[20:17] <godbyk-sagan> i'm pretty far behind. :)
[20:18] <godbyk-sagan> not sure if it'd be a help with the title pages and covers or not.
[20:18] <godbyk-sagan> we'd get the hyphenation for free (which is nice).
[20:18] <godbyk-sagan> I don't know how much tweaking is required to make the title pages look awesome.
[20:22] <thorwil> i really need immediate visual feedback
[20:22] <thorwil> lulu_el.pdf pushed
[20:40] <jenkins> can every one please run ls /proc/modules and pastebin it please. I need to try and work out your graphics driver
[20:41] <dutchie> jenkins: http://pastebin.com/iWFv5SNt
[20:41] <dutchie> itym cat /proc/modules :)
[20:41] <dutchie> http://pastebin.com/Gi294kPa
[20:42] <thorwil> http://pastebin.com/RauudWWn
[20:42] <jenkins> yea i ment cat /proc/modules, do you have an intel dutchie?
[20:42] <dutchie> yes
[20:43] <dutchie> GMA 500 iirc
[20:43] <thorwil> too bad there is no "dog" command
[20:43] <jenkins> thorwil: nvidia propretry driver?
[20:44] <godbyk-sagan> jenkins: http://pastebin.com/hfw99BS5
[20:44] <godbyk-sagan> I'm running the nvidia module.
[20:44] <thorwil> jenkins: yes, the seed of darkness poisoning my system from within ^^
[20:45] <jenkins> can you also do ls  /sys/module/ please
[20:46] <godbyk-sagan> jenkins: http://pastebin.com/8zyafhPx /sys/module/
[20:46] <dutchie> http://pastebin.com/ZRGgqZCP /sys/module/
[20:47] <jenkins> has anyone got a pc with two diffrent graphics cards?
[20:47] <zkriesse> nope
[20:47] <thorwil> jenkins: http://pastebin.com/je2Fdnjm
[20:47] <godbyk-sagan> nope.
[20:47] <thorwil> nope
[20:48] <daker> jenkins, http://pastebin.org/383924
[20:49] <jenkins> daker what are you using?
[20:49] <daker> using what ??
[20:49] <jenkins> graphics driver
[20:50] <daker> daker@daker-desktop:~$ lspci | grep VGA
[20:50] <daker> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
[20:50] <jenkins> o yea now i see it daker
[20:51] <jenkins> thanks everyone
[20:51] <jenkins> anyone using ati?
[20:57] <semioticrobotic> anyone here an exert on AMD systems and their compatibility with Ubuntu?
[21:02] <thorwil> good night!
[21:38] <jenkins> if i run cat /proc/modules part of the output contains lots of parts like 0xffffffffa010d000 . can i use this to find out more information about the device?
[21:38] <zkriesse> hello fellow manual-ers
[21:39] <jenkins> hey zkriesse
[21:41] <daker> jenkins, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1273767&highlight=beginners+guide+ati+linux+drivers
[21:44] <jenkins> thanks d
[21:45] <jenkins> * daker
[23:08] <jenkins> yey quickshot has made revision 250 today
[23:21] <jenkins> flan: we need to either bundle disper with quickshot or find another way to handle nvidia twin view. for ubuntu and any packages we make we can just add it as a dependency but for other linux distros we cant
[23:26] <jenkins> night all