[01:13] dutchie, ping [03:55] HAPPY FOURTH! [04:09] Hey, zkriesse. [04:09] No fireworks here. Heavy rains instead. [04:09] argh [04:09] * zkriesse doesn't do fireworks either === zkriesse is now known as Guest97739 === Guest97739 is now known as zkriesse [08:18] morning all [08:19] morning! [08:19] afternoon for me! [08:43] any one running only kde? [08:46] jenkins: nope, but i used to run kde for a little while, why? [08:47] I would like to know what os.environ.get('DESKTOP_SESSION') in python gives, it may not work in kde aparently [08:49] ah, i dont have kde installed right now [08:49] couldnt tell you [08:49] jenkins: gimme a sec i might be able to find out for you though [08:50] ok thanks [08:55] jenkins: sorry, no one is running kde that i can get a hold of right now [08:55] thanks for trying :) [08:56] jenkins: oh, hang on, found someone maybe [08:56] jenkins: ok whats the code you need run? [08:56] import os [08:57] then os.environ.get('DESKTOP_SESSION') [08:57] run python first [08:57] yep [08:57] what ever the output is would be great [09:00] jenkins: it might take a bit of time, the guy has to pass it to another guy [09:00] ok cool, this is a team effort [09:00] jenkins: yea [09:00] anyone here familiar with greek hyphenation rules? [09:01] thorwil: no, sorry [09:02] godbyk maybe? [09:02] thorwil: Guest93627 should be [09:03] jenkins: sorry, the guys vm was dead [09:03] no worries i will set a vm up, probably should do that anyway [09:03] thanks to all for trying [09:04] jenkins: no wait, lol, found another guy [09:04] Guest93627: hi! can you show me where one can hyphenate in the following text? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jJp2qLu6 [09:10] jenkins: ok, i have the output! [09:11] yey, what does it say? [09:11] ok [09:12] it locked up the guys konsole and then spat out this: >>> os.environ.get('DESKTOP_SESSION') 'default' >>> [09:12] and thats it [09:12] hmm thats what i thought 'default' thank you to both of you [09:12] no probs :) [09:21] thorwil which word needs hyphenation? [09:22] Guest93627: εργασίες. maybe others afterwards [09:22] ερ-γα-σί-ες [09:23] ah, suddenly a nice block! [09:23] Guest93627: οδηγό? [09:24] ο-δη-γό [09:26] Guest93627: ανάγνωση, let me guess: α-νά-γν-ωση? [09:27] α-νά-γνω-ση [09:27] :p [09:27] too close [09:27] heh [09:28] is there another word that needs hyphenation cause i need to go... [09:28] Guest93627: no, it's good now, thank you! [09:28] ok.. bye :) [09:49] damn, somehow ended up with 2 old commits in my lucid-e1 branch that i never pushed and have 22 revs not pulled :( [09:51] thorwil: bzr uncommit them then pull and recommit [09:51] just incase you did not know :) [10:20] well, fixed [10:21] hemanth: ping [10:21] jenkins, yo [10:22] hello you wrote http://pastebin.com/nEU9uvbd for quickshot, did you test os.environ.get('DESKTOP_SESSION') in kde? and get kde out like the code says? I find that it gives 'default' [10:24] jenkins, yes it was tested in kde, are u getting default for kde!? [10:25] nissh-h got some one to test it as I have not sorted out my vms. I also read a forum post that got default [10:25] godbyk: c7p mailed the back cover translation to me, i created the lulu_el.svg (pushed) and just asked him to check it for errors [10:26] jenkins, strange, sure will cross check [10:27] hemanth: thanks [10:27] jenkins, np, my pleasure [10:31] * hemanth switching to kde [10:37] jenkins, working fine, what was the exact issue that happened? Me on lucid [10:38] there has been no issue it was just something i have stumbled along with os.environ.get('DESKTOP_SESSION') [10:42] o! ok, what does it say? [10:43] default [10:43] is the output it gives [10:46] when will e2 will release? [10:47] abhi_nav: not sure tbh [10:47] jenkins,pass the link, if u have it now, please [10:47] jenkins, ok. is it with 10.10 or before? [10:47] any rough idea/ [10:47] ? [10:48] hemanth: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1139057 [10:48] jenkins, thanks [10:50] abhi_nav: we set a date at one point but I can't rember, the person to ask is not on at the moment [10:50] jenkins, ok. thanks for your time though. :) [10:51] abhi_nav: no problem I could not do anything at the moment. If you hang around i can grab the person when they come online [10:52] jenkins, not its not that much urgent. Actually I am slowing progressing with e1 translation. so just fearing how to keep up with e2 translation. :( [10:52] slowly* [10:52] :( hopefully some strings are the same in lucid-e2 . What language are you? [10:53] jenkins, good catch, the discussions there makes a guess that, gdm is setting the desktop_session variable, so if people are on pure KDE only then it might not work [10:53] * doing. [10:53] jenkins, Marathi(mr) मराठी [10:53] jenkins, os.environ.get('KDE_FULL_SESSION') is the suggested method [10:54] hemanth: was that in the thread? did i miss it. I should not get distracted [10:54] abhi_nav: i have not heard of that which countries speak it [10:55] jenkins, yes its suggested in the last comment [10:55] jenkins, no not country. its speed in Maharashtra state of India [10:55] jenkins, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathi_language [10:55] hemanth: so it is. i just wasted 30 minutes finding that the long way [10:56] jenkins, no issues, shall i make those re-fixes ? [10:56] abhi_nav: wow [10:56] jenkins, :) [10:57] hemanth: no worries am moving it to a different file, along with the display stuff. quickshot in the main branch is broken at the moment. [10:57] jenkins, okies [10:58] thanks for checking hemanth [10:58] good luck with it abhi_nav [10:58] jenkins, thankyou!!! :D [10:58] thats ok, i'm must thank you also :) === abhi_nav_ is now known as abhi_nav [13:56] be back later [15:06] aquarius: i was talking with Rick earlier today about the ubuntu dev manual, are you still planning on writing the chapter about desktopcouch? [15:07] nisshh, in theory, yeah, but if someone else writes it I'd be more than happy to make suggestions, and that would make it more likely that it got written sooner [15:09] aquarius: right, because your working on maverick, just like pretty much everyone else who is an "author" for the dev manual [15:10] aquarius: im thinking of taking it on as one of my projects and i suppose ill write the bulk of it and i figure you guys could sort of as you said "mentor" me and make suggestions [15:11] that'd be superb. I'd be more than happy to do that :) [15:12] aquarius: yea, because its obvious that a whole bunch of people WANT to do it, but you guys obviously dont have the time, which is a shame [15:13] nisshh, you stepping up is superb heroism [15:13] aquarius: thanks :) [15:14] aquarius: i just dont want to see something like the dev manual, which i think is key to getting new devs onboard, go down the drain simply because we didnt have time to write it [15:14] nisshh, I agree entirely [15:14] aquarius: yup :) [16:25] hi all - how are things going w/ regards to the content management website? [16:25] j1mc: still a concept at the moment :) [16:25] i haven't seen much activity on the ubuntu-manual list about it recently - have their been discussions on irc [16:25] nisshh: are there any plans documented anywhere? [16:25] just trying to get an idea of where things stand [16:26] hmmm, there was a mockup done a while ago [16:26] i dont have the link though [16:26] yes, i do recall that. no worries. [16:26] basically, things abot it are the same as when the idea first came about [16:26] have we even settled on a format for storing/presenting the content? [16:27] semioticrobotic: i dont know, i think ilya was researching that [16:28] nisshh: okay. I thought the momentum seemed to be building behind docbook, but I couldn't really confirm that [16:28] j1mc: i only asked about it yesterday and the answer was the same [16:28] semioticrobotic: yea, i lost track of it after about 3 ML posts [16:29] it was a toss up between docbook and mallard i think [16:29] ha! yeah, me too [16:29] i think essentially what we're talking about is creating a CMS. [16:30] i've done some more digging... was looking at plone. [16:30] n00b question: Using x-chat, how to I mark myself as "back" from being away? [16:30] plone features: http://plone.org/products/plone/features/3.0 [16:30] nisshh, j1mc https://code.launchpad.net/~adnane002/ubuntu-manual-website/uslc [16:31] semioticrobotic: i'd guess just /away [16:31] dutchie: Me too! I tried that and it didn't work [16:31] /back? [16:32] you rock [16:32] I knew it had to be simple, but it does seem odd that x-chat would stray from that convention [16:32] Ctrl+Alt+A [16:32] daker: thanks [16:32] j1mc: right, its not just a CMS, we are using part of a CMS and adding various things on top [16:33] daker: i knew there was code somewhere\ [16:33] I believe I've seen Plone in action, but only as a user (never to administer anything) [16:33] yea [16:36] semioticrobotic: i have no experience with it whatsoever. just think it has a good feature set, and i'm wary of trying to roll our own. [16:36] that's just me, though. [16:37] i don't want to put "stop energy" on the project, though. [16:37] just want to recommend plone as something that might be helpful. [16:37] if that makes sense [16:38] j1mc: that makes perfect sense, really you should talk to humphreybc though [16:38] hes the "dude to talk to" [16:39] i'm putting a note out to the ubuntu-doc ml, copying the manual ml [16:39] just wanted to check-in here first. [16:39] thanks, all. :) [16:39] j1mc: Makes perfect sense, and I agree. I know "making our own tools" is a core component of the team's ethos, but in this we might be best served by something already in place (that we can modify) [16:39] j1mc: no need to check-in with us, just go ahead and post suggestions [17:09] dutchie, ping [17:10] daker: pong [17:10] for the bugs reported with the bug form, it would be nice if you tags them bug "Bug reporter" or something like that [17:10] ok [17:10] will do [17:11] also if you can add filed that can show the status on the website [17:11] if it possible [17:11] it's [17:12] so you press the "report" button, and get sent to a "Bug filed" page on bugs.u-m.o? [17:14] no just on the list of bugs add a filed that can show the status of the bug [17:15] oh, field [17:15] on our website? [17:16] yes [17:16] where? [17:18] on the bugs details people should see the progress of the bug [17:18] there isn't a bug detail page yet :) [17:18] in other way add field in models.py [17:19] for the status [17:20] there is lang, rev, page, email... then status of the bug [17:21] if i was to get the status, i'd just fetch it from LP, not save it in the DB [17:22] why not adding a crontab that can fetch bugs from lp then update the db ? [17:22] tagging implemented and pushe [17:22] not needed [17:22] cool oki [19:44] c7p: just read your mail. you're welcome! [19:45] godbyk: so lulu_el.svg is ready. shall i add a pdf export to the branch? [19:50] thorwil: :) [20:15] thorwil: yeah, that'd be great! thanks! [20:15] thorwil: I just noticed this TeX package, too. It may be helpful in the future: http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/svg-inkscape/InkscapePDFLaTeX.pdf [20:15] thorwil: It allows us to basically run an Inkscape SVG through LaTeX (to let LaTeX handle the text work). [20:17] godbyk-sagan: you just noticed? i vaguely recall pasting you a link to that, taken from an inkscape mailing list ;) [20:17] thorwil: ah, yeah. just noticed. i found the posting to comp.text.tex. it was posted eons ago. [20:17] i'm pretty far behind. :) [20:18] not sure if it'd be a help with the title pages and covers or not. [20:18] we'd get the hyphenation for free (which is nice). [20:18] I don't know how much tweaking is required to make the title pages look awesome. [20:22] i really need immediate visual feedback [20:22] lulu_el.pdf pushed [20:40] can every one please run ls /proc/modules and pastebin it please. I need to try and work out your graphics driver [20:41] jenkins: http://pastebin.com/iWFv5SNt [20:41] itym cat /proc/modules :) [20:41] http://pastebin.com/Gi294kPa [20:42] http://pastebin.com/RauudWWn [20:42] yea i ment cat /proc/modules, do you have an intel dutchie? [20:42] yes [20:43] GMA 500 iirc [20:43] too bad there is no "dog" command [20:43] thorwil: nvidia propretry driver? [20:44] jenkins: http://pastebin.com/hfw99BS5 [20:44] I'm running the nvidia module. [20:44] jenkins: yes, the seed of darkness poisoning my system from within ^^ [20:45] can you also do ls /sys/module/ please [20:46] jenkins: http://pastebin.com/8zyafhPx /sys/module/ [20:46] http://pastebin.com/ZRGgqZCP /sys/module/ [20:47] has anyone got a pc with two diffrent graphics cards? [20:47] nope [20:47] jenkins: http://pastebin.com/je2Fdnjm [20:47] nope. [20:47] nope [20:48] jenkins, http://pastebin.org/383924 [20:49] daker what are you using? [20:49] using what ?? [20:49] graphics driver [20:50] daker@daker-desktop:~$ lspci | grep VGA [20:50] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) [20:50] o yea now i see it daker [20:51] thanks everyone [20:51] anyone using ati? [20:57] anyone here an exert on AMD systems and their compatibility with Ubuntu? [21:02] good night! [21:38] if i run cat /proc/modules part of the output contains lots of parts like 0xffffffffa010d000 . can i use this to find out more information about the device? [21:38] hello fellow manual-ers [21:39] hey zkriesse [21:41] jenkins, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1273767&highlight=beginners+guide+ati+linux+drivers [21:44] thanks d [21:45] * daker [23:08] yey quickshot has made revision 250 today [23:21] flan: we need to either bundle disper with quickshot or find another way to handle nvidia twin view. for ubuntu and any packages we make we can just add it as a dependency but for other linux distros we cant [23:26] night all