[03:06] uhmmm #include in rekonq LoL [03:13] oh yeah, I think that's for a workaround for a flash plugin crash :( [03:14] yes it is === gallifrey is now known as alco-ninja [06:13] yay, got a working computer finally! [06:13] congrats too lex79 === alco-ninja is now known as v === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [09:12] Riddell: I was at akademy this week-end but you passed not very far from me [09:12] Riddell: you didn't recognize me ;) [09:13] Riddell: well, I'll be back today. Should take the next train for Tampere :) === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3 === aditya is now known as Adityab === jussi is now known as Guest7125 [12:06] shadeslayer hi there ;D === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [12:30] mgraesslin: ping, about? === jussi01 is now known as jussi [12:36] Riddell: pong, yes I'm in the hackcenter [12:42] mgraesslin: where abouts? [12:43] in the back behind the certification center [13:16] Does anybody has contact info to Ofir dude, who's making the new kubuntu web page? === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [13:23] Bleh, yesterday's grub2 update left a sappy love note to my MBR :/ [13:25] (figuratively) [13:48] sheytan: He is here sometimes, but not at the moment. [13:49] Riddell: While you're at akademy, would you please see if you can have a chat with notmart about the automatic first run detection patch you did and see if he's interested in it for upstream? [14:07] ScottK Yes, i know. I'm waiting for him ;) [14:35] ScottK: yes notmart is on my list of people to talk to [14:35] Riddell: Great. Thanks. [14:42] ofirk hi [14:42] got you :D [14:42] sheytan: hi [14:42] We need to talk about the kubuntu web page ;) [14:42] I've got some changes mockups. Would you like to see? :) [14:42] sheytan: sure, send them to me [14:42] ofirk http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9479/kubuntu.jpg [14:42] the home page [14:42] http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/8484/kubuntu1.jpg [14:42] feature tour [14:43] i can do for you all the artwork :) [14:43] sheytan: nice! [14:44] ofirk thank you :D [14:44] sheytan: I will be glad to get some help ! [14:44] I will be glad to offer help :) [14:44] sheytan: I think we should work on it for the next release of Kubuntu (at 10.10.10) [14:44] Riddell: Any chance you'd have time to mash the accept button for qmf? [14:45] It's straight from Debian, so shouldn't need much review. [14:45] do you have an email or jabber? it's hard to catch you here :D [14:45] that way we can introduce some new cool features for the release [14:45] ofirk yes :) [14:45] yes, klinger.ofir@gmail.com === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [14:46] I am online most of the time [14:46] in gmail... [15:03] ScottK: I can confirm that making kdebase-runtime provide notification-daemon has stopped vlc from dragging in half of gnome [15:03] JontheEchidna: Cool. [15:03] reinstalls of kubuntu are helpful for that sort of thing ;) [15:03] ;-) [15:14] sheytan: poke,seems you already talked to ofirk :D [15:15] shadeslayer yes :D [15:15] we're now working together :) [15:15] want to see the cool stuff i already have? :D [15:15] sheytan: ++ on the screenshots ;) [15:16] saw them :D [15:16] oh yeah :D [15:16] thanks :D [15:19] hrm [15:19] do we not have current live builds? [15:25] yes... [15:25] !daily | jussi [15:25] jussi: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [15:26] ScottK: qmf doesn't contain licence files? [15:27] Riddell: I didn't check it, I just assumed it was good since it got into Debian. [15:27] fabo: ^^ [15:27] hrm, network-manager-kde-pptp seems to drag in network-manager-pptp, which drags in network-manager-pptp-gnome, which drags in gnome-keyring, gconf2 and friends :( [15:27] JontheEchidna: btw grub upgrade seems to have gone fine [15:27] JontheEchidna: lol\ [15:28] Riddell: you did work on splitting the network-manager plugins last release, yes? [15:28] Riddell: also,any ideas on how to split knetworkmanager are appreciated ... [15:28] * shadeslayer doesnt know where to start ... [15:29] split knetworkmanager? huh? [15:30] JontheEchidna: I did yes [15:30] uh [15:30] s/knetworkmanager/kopete [15:31] Recommends: network-manager-pptp-gnome | network-manager-pptp-kde so it shouldn't bring in -gnome if you are installing -kde [15:32] hrm, fresh install of 10.04, upgraded to maverick, had the whole mess installed [15:32] maybe we have to explicitly seed -kde? [15:32] shadeslayer: just name a new package with that googletalk binary in? [15:33] Riddell: uh... and what about libavmediacodecs? will it automatically be removed from kopete? [15:33] ( from shlibs magic ) [15:33] shadeslayer: does /usr/bin/kopete use that or just /usr/bin/googletalk-call ? [15:34] imo just gcall [15:34] but ill have to check... [15:35] Riddell: also.. shoot the guy who took the akademy vids [15:36] i mean... who shoots in 4:3 :P [15:36] shadeslayer: use ldd to check [15:37] ok... i will have to download stuff [15:40] Riddell: btw any ideas if we will ship kdepim 4.4.5 or 4.5 ? [15:41] shadeslayer: current advise seems to be that 4.5.1 should be good but not 4.5.0 [15:41] so need to check release schedules for that [15:41] shadeslayer: in the mean time it should go into experimental PPA [15:42] Riddell: ok.. well kdepim runtime was done so pushed it to bzr [15:42] ScottK, fabo: qmf accepted, spoke to upstream and filed bug so the licence files should get included [15:42] Riddell: Thanks. [15:44] ScottK: going to get qt mobility uploaded? [15:47] Riddell: Already uploaded. [15:47] ooh so it is [15:47] wonder if it has the same issue [15:48] Riddell: I thought it was you that accepted it. [15:48] it doesn't, all good there [15:49] don't remember accepting it [16:12] [muon] jmthomas * 1146750 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (MainWindow.cpp MainWindow.h muonui.rc) Add a menu item to launch software-properties-kde, and reload the software sources upon exit (as long as software-properties-kde says so. [16:12] ^would be neat if Muon could do the software sources config all on its own [16:12] maybe someday.... [16:21] * nigelb has moved to Kubuntu :) [16:21] finally I embrace the dark side ;) [16:22] shadeslayer tell me please what do you think: http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6793/kubuntuhomepage.jpg [16:22] other guys too :D [16:22] sheytan: looks good... [16:23] cant find any fault for now :P [16:23] shadeslayer but i'm not quite happy with the netbook stuff :D [16:23] lol.. [16:23] its good :D [16:24] that empty space between netbook and news sucks;D [16:24] really :D [16:24] nigelb: welcome! [16:24] JontheEchidna: :) [16:35] nigelb: whee [16:35] * shadeslayer brands nigelb with Kubuntu icon [16:36] shadeslayer: heh [16:36] shadeslayer: I'm on 9.04 though :/ [16:36] thats... fail... [16:36] its the only kubuntu cd I have with me [16:36] nigelb: why? [16:36] nigelb: download a new one then :P [16:37] Also ubuntu 10.04 fails to even go to install/try it out menu [16:37] so, 'fraid 10.04 kubuntu will be same [16:37] heh === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [16:40] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1146760 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp Convert the relation type string from Utf8 to avoid random characters from appearing on localized systems [16:42] shadeslayer did you see the latest versions of the business cards? :D [16:42] no.. [16:43] Quintasan: kubuntu dev week poke [16:43] shadeslayer http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/ [16:43] Quintasan: theres a 50 pc chance that we wont have kdeplasma addons 4.4.95 released for tommorow [16:43] sheytan: added to wiki? [16:43] Quintasan: so what do you suggest? [16:43] Nope :) [16:43] Can you do that? :0 [16:44] :) [16:44] sheytan: yeah [16:44] sheytan: just upload the svg :D [16:44] Go to 'dwonload' from that link :) [16:44] Also.. can we move the kubuntu logo to the left and make it a wee bit smaller ? [16:45] shadeslayer then the right side will look kinda empty [16:45] because on the left there are contact infos [16:46] hmm [16:47] yep, but i'll try :) [16:48] still.... good stuff :) [16:50] shadeslayer http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7041/kubuntubuisnesscarddark.png [16:51] sheytan: wait.. no.. i meant shift kubuntu text to left :) [16:51] shadeslayer with Name and Surname? [16:52] sheytan: move Name and Surname to place of currect kubuntu text and move kubuntu text to left [16:54] shadeslayer left top? [16:54] or aligned to name? [16:54] sheytan: left top... [16:54] shadeslayer: sup [16:54] shadeslayer: what's about KDW? [16:55] Quintasan: what do i take up for packaging tmmw ? :D [16:55] Why don't use use 4.4.4 packages? [16:55] They are going to be available without making users add some unstable repos [16:55] and [16:56] I think I can cover plasmoids tomorrow [16:56] hmm [16:57] shadeslayer: unless you want to package some cutting edge things :P [16:57] hehe.. well kde tagging spree is tommorow :D [16:57] shadeslayer http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/7041/kubuntubuisnesscarddark.png [16:58] shadeslayer: if that's the case I'm going to update my lucid kvm and prepare a talk [16:58] sheytan: either a) lose the kubuntu icon or b) shift it besides the kubuntu text,whichever suits you :D [16:58] Quintasan: talk for? [16:59] shadeslayer: plasmoids packaging ofc [16:59] ah right [16:59] hmm [16:59] shadeslayer i woul left it as it was oryginally :D [17:00] Quintasan: btw are you talking about tutorials day or dev week? since i dont see you on tutorial day :P [17:01] sheytan: :P [17:01] grr [17:01] @_@ [17:01] * shadeslayer hides [17:03] shadeslayer: okay, you are going to cover packaging and merging tomorrow, right? [17:03] yes [17:04] well, that's all needed [17:04] :P [17:04] if someone wants to know how to package plasmoids then I can answer during Kubuntu Q&A [17:04] No need to create a separate seesion for it [17:06] shadeslayer: besides, you said you will do some work on Project Neon on weekend :P [17:07] anyways, I'm going to create a Wiki page for that [17:07] apachelogger said it is going to be difficult to go without a plan so I'm going to create a one [17:07] Quintasan: yes,but i didnt get any work to actually do :P,besides was a bit busy with patching rekonq :D [17:08] Riddell: seems googletalk-call is the culprit [17:08] shadeslayer: well, do that first, if we are going to change konq to rekonq the we need it to be fully working [17:08] http://pastebin.com/e6fXzNG8 [17:08] Quintasan: yeah,i just put in apturl support :) [17:08] now ill be re writing the protocol handler [17:11] Quintasan: btw what do you want done? [17:12] just tell me :D [17:13] Riddell: also i think we should add a patch which asks the user to install this package for enhanced multimedia functionality :P [17:13] will need help with that [17:17] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/9tKnDH59 << new control file [17:22] didn't you say that kopete-gcall use different libraries than kopete? [17:27] lex79: i thought... [17:28] lex79: but i just put in one binary in a seprate install file,and will check now [17:29] [22:38] * shadeslayer realises packaging is not for him... << From last years logs :D [17:30] so much has changed :) [17:30] in that ^ control file you added libortp-dev, libmediastreamer-dev [17:30] but libmediastreamer depends on avcodec [17:30] and avcodec can't go in cd [17:30] shadeslayer http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6793/kubuntuhomepage.jpg [17:30] ubuntu like, but better then with netbook :D [17:31] :D [17:31] like it? :D [17:32] lex79: ugh... but ...doesnt splitting the gcall binary remove it from kopete deps? [17:32] sheytan: yep [17:32] sheytan: more up to ofirk :P [17:32] Cool :D [17:32] ok :D [17:33] lex79: i have no idea whatsoever on how to do this :P [17:35] me too, I think libkopete will depend on avcodec, but not sure [17:35] will wait for Riddell to come out of hidey hole then :P [17:37] Is Kubuntu Tutorial Day today or tomorrow? [17:38] tomorrow [17:38] * txwikinger should maybe read all e-mails :D [17:40] claydoh: just pushed kmymoney 3.98.1 (and aqbanking 4.2.4) with aqbanking support into my ppa but isn't built yet. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:59] now I understand why kubuntu 10.04 might me a good idea [17:59] * nigelb starts download [17:59] :P [17:59] nigelb: zsync it [18:00] shadeslayer: huh? [18:00] better that way.... much faster download [18:00] from where? how? [18:00] nigelb: ooohh [18:00] nigelb: do you have a old ISO image? [18:00] of Ubuntu/Kubuntu? [18:00] nope [18:01] nigelb: ok,install zsync first then [18:01] package is zsync [18:02] shadeslayer: done [18:02] lemme get zsync link :) [18:02] fire up a terminal till then [18:02] nigelb: 32 bit or 64 bit? [18:02] 32 [18:03] nigelb: run : zsync http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/10.04/kubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso.zsync [18:03] nigelb: choose a download folder first tho.. [18:04] simply cd to download location [18:04] downlading :) [18:05] nigelb: now,you can cancel the download anytime by pressing ctrl+C [18:05] nigelb: and when you cd to download location and run the zsync command again,it will pick up where it left off [18:05] awesome, thanks :) [18:06] nigelb: yeah,i find it pretty usefull to update daily images,downloads only small changes and applies them [18:37] nigelb: This is the light side, not the dark side. Welcome. [18:38] ScottK: do you have kde svn account? [18:38] ScottK: heh [18:38] shadeslayer: Nope. [18:38] shadeslayer: i do [18:38] maco2: ooh [18:38] havent used it yet..but i do [18:38] ScottK: should have seen it coming. maco2's been trying to convince me for months! [18:38] maco2: in Who supports this request? << can i put your name? :D [18:38] im applying for one [18:39] nigelb: seele tried on me for 2.5 years and ScottK did it in less than a week :P [18:39] uh oh [18:39] maco2: heh [18:39] shadeslayer: I'd get Riddell to bless it. [18:39] (check and make sure he actually does) [18:39] ScottK: so i just put Riddell's name in it? [18:39] ah ok [18:39] yeah Riddell's mucho importante que yo [18:40] Riddell: uh... can i haz kde svn account plz? :) [18:40] shadeslayer: Also might be a good idea to be an actual kubuntu dev and apply, you have more credibility then ;) [18:40] nigelb: yeah,but im working with rekonq already ;) [18:40] but then, I don't know how the kde system works yet [18:40] nigelb: If Riddell blesses it, that should be sufficient. [18:40] nigelb: i got my svn account after submitting about a dozen string changes and aseigo going "just get an account!" [18:40] shadeslayer: why dont you get one of the rekonq dev to ack/ [18:41] hes not around much :P [18:41] rarely IRC's :( [18:41] maco2: same way I got access to burning team [18:42] I kept poking soren for something or other and he pinged me a few minutes later "I've added you to the team, why don't you do it on your own :D [18:42] Riddell's probably at dinner right now. its about the time i called him yesterday. [18:42] hmm :( [18:42] he says he had rudolph yesterday. i wonder if he's having bambi today? [18:42] he's back from akademy? [18:42] hahaha... [18:42] nigelb: nah [18:43] no still in finland [18:43] they must be watching match by now ;) [18:43] nigelb: btw i saw kstar drinking some grey stuff.... cant tell if its lime + vodka or limca :P [18:43] but "you're back in scotland?" was my response when he said he was at a pub [18:44] shadeslayer: hahaha [18:44] ill leave the field empty for now and poke Riddell about the request [18:44] maco2: why? no pubs inn finland? [18:44] nigelb: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_10NAUsX52R4/TDGZ7D_hqTI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/FjG5lgK6SRQ/s1600/IMG_8525.JPG [18:45] nigelb: well i figured theyd call them something else [18:45] * shadeslayer hits Request SVN account [18:45] maco2: jussi might give you an unpronouncible name if you ask him [18:47] shadeslayer: I agree, looks like limca [18:47] nigelb: you never know :P [18:48] nigelb: fair point [18:48] nigelb: though he taught me how to say "sauna" [18:49] Riddell: i requested a kde svn account ;) [18:50] maco2: easiest way to irritate jussi, pronounce his name with a j ;) [18:50] ^^ always do that [18:50] initially at UDS, someone called him that and I heard him teaching that person how to pronounce [18:50] * nigelb was snickering the whole time listening in [18:51] nigelb: so i have to pronounce it as ussi? [18:51] shadeslayer: more like yossi [18:51] maco2: right? [18:52] hehe :P [18:52] jussi: put up a .ogg on how to pronounce your name :P [18:52] shadeslayer: even sense's name has a tough pronounciation [18:53] sense's ? [18:54] sense hofstead = qense [18:54] nigelb: dholbach calls him "juicey" [18:54] maco2: haha, now I remember who pronounced it wrong - dholbach! [18:54] maco2: lol [18:55] nigelb: the *weird* bit is, in german the j is said the same as it is in jussi's name [18:55] maco2: hahhaha [19:03] shadeslayer: you put down my name i see [19:03] whut! [19:03] * shadeslayer didnt [19:04] i removed your name... [19:04] * shadeslayer has no idea how that went through [19:04] i got an email saying rohan garg (thats you right?) put my name down [19:04] yes [19:04] maco2: i did search for you tho [19:04] but i cleared the field ... [19:04] * maco2 having a fight with setup.py [19:06] maco2: im sorry :( [19:06] * shadeslayer still doesnt know how that happened tho [19:10] shadeslayer: lol [19:11] nigelb: ?? [19:11] ikonia: \o [19:11] * shadeslayer loves late night code hacking [19:16] shadeslayer: about putting maco's name down [19:16] nigelb: :p .. i didnt actually put it down.. KDE just luvs here i guess :P [19:16] *her [19:17] oh this is amazing... [19:17] konqueror icon in taskbar shows up as a generic icon [19:17] fall of konqueror :P [19:18] hah [19:19] oh.. i can speed up rekonq url bar... [19:19] borrowing kode from konqueror here [19:39] * shadeslayer keeps refreshing gmail after every 5 mins to check for kde sysadmin mail [19:40] neversfelde: 19:29 < kees> Riddell: can you remove the openjpeg build deps from whatever was using it? I've rejected that MIR on the ground of scary code. :) [19:40] incase you're still feeling in a koffice mood [19:41] hehe :P [19:41] Riddell: which MIR? [19:41] Riddell: oh are you free for a moment? [19:42] Riddell: i requested a kde svn account.. can you bless my request :P [19:42] neversfelde: openjpeg rejected which is a MIR for koffice [19:43] shadeslayer: what do you need an svn account for? [19:43] Riddell: ah ok, I am free the whole weekend and can have a look at it [19:43] JontheEchidna: do you know if they fixed the "bold issue" in Qt 4.7 ? we have two patch for bold issue [19:43] but exam on Friday, so not before [19:43] Riddell: more contrib to KDE? [19:44] Riddell: above shadeslayer said he's been working on rekonq [19:44] but that the rekonq person is hard to reach [19:44] lex79: our patch needs to be fixed at any rate: bug 583526 [19:44] Launchpad bug 583526 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Lucid) "fake_embolden patch breaks monospace fonts" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/583526 [19:44] adjam rarely comes to IRC :P [19:44] JontheEchidna: I'm packaging a new snapshot of Qt, but with our two patches, the text bold is too bold now :) [19:45] oh and bug 602389 just came through [19:45] Launchpad bug 602389 in kdebase (Ubuntu) "Regression in 4.5 beta: dolphin no longer shows free space in "Places"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602389 [19:47] shadeslayer: did you call [19:47] ikonia: just said hi :P [19:47] ahh [19:47] in that case "hi" [19:48] freinhard: nice on aqbanking/kmymoney, just sat down to figure out what I needed to learn [19:48] * claydoh has only the very basics of packaging [19:49] shadeslayer: rekonq is in git not svn [19:49] JontheEchidna: can I disable the two patches for now? [19:49] Riddell: but it has a SVN copy as well.. right? [19:49] lex79: probably wouldn't hurt to at least try it for a bit without the two [19:49] shadeslayer: dunno, I'm pretty sure its main activity is in svn [19:50] shadeslayer: really you need to get some code in KDE SVN before asking for an account [19:50] JontheEchidna: yes,they are very broken now :) [19:50] * shadeslayer wonders if docs count [19:51] Riddell: when I finished can I upload a new Qt and qtwebkit snapshot? [19:51] lex79: fine with me but I don't remember if kubuntu-dev access covers it [19:52] Riddell: yes I can :) [19:52] groovy [19:53] lex79: rekonq has a patch to stop flash crashing, I heard it might not be needed with new qtwebkit so that would be worth checking if it should go away [19:53] and i dont think my apturl patch will be in 0.5 [19:53] Riddell: rekonq depends on gtk now to workaround the crash of flash [19:53] since 0.5 was tagged in git... [19:54] / workaround for recent flashplugins [19:54] #include [19:54] shadeslayer: just add it to our packages then [19:54] // just a hackisch workaround for recent flashplugins [19:54] gtk_init(&argc, &argv); [19:55] lex79: ^^ [19:55] lex79: apturl patch : http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kubuntu_01_apturl.patch [19:55] so when you poke rekonq you can update that too :D [19:55] I don't think is a priority seeing what I pasted there ^ [19:56] oh.. right.. [19:56] * shadeslayer checking kode now [20:02] Riddell: I will keep Qtmultimedia library for now, fine? Debian has already removed it [20:08] lex79: ooh.. brokenness http://pastebin.com/vTPQnNTj [20:09] should that be >= [20:10] I think it's already fixed in bzr [20:10] ah ok.. kewl [20:37] lex79: yes I think we need to keep it until it gets a separate release [20:37] ok [20:46] claydoh: me neither, fetched your sources, installed ubuntu-dev-tools, started cdbs-edit-patch, modified the two files, then "exit 0", edit the changelog "dch -i", modify the dependency versions and finally debuild -S [20:47] claydoh: thats all i did. to sum it up: lucky me that i figured out that fast how to get that done [20:47] freinhard: sweet [20:48] claydoh: if you want to build it on your system at home you need to get the dependencies avilable for pbuilder. i did that via my ppa with OTHERMIRROR in .pbuilderrc [20:48] so the patch itself doesn't need to be put anywhere then? [20:48] i bet there's a ton of other and better ways to do that... [20:49] after you start cdbs-edit-patch [20:49] you get a sandbox of the source directory [20:49] there you just modify the files [20:49] then quit and you get a patch in return [20:50] for me it was easier then fiddling round with patchfiles that might or might not apply [20:50]