[03:06] <lex79> uhmmm #include <gtk/gtk.h> in rekonq LoL
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, I think that's for a workaround for a flash plugin crash :(
[03:14] <lex79> yes it is
[06:13] <alco-ninja> yay, got a working computer finally!
[06:13] <alco-ninja> congrats too lex79 
[09:12] <fabo> Riddell: I was at akademy this week-end but you passed not very far from me 
[09:12] <fabo> Riddell: you didn't recognize me ;)
[09:13] <fabo> Riddell: well, I'll be back today. Should take the next train for Tampere :)
[12:06] <sheytan> shadeslayer hi there ;D
[12:30] <Riddell> mgraesslin: ping, about?
[12:36] <mgraesslin> Riddell: pong, yes I'm in the hackcenter
[12:42] <Riddell> mgraesslin: where abouts?
[12:43] <mgraesslin> in the back behind the certification center
[13:16] <sheytan> Does anybody has contact info to Ofir dude, who's making the new kubuntu web page?
[13:23] <JontheEchidna> Bleh, yesterday's grub2 update left a sappy love note to my MBR :/
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> (figuratively)
[13:48] <ScottK> sheytan: He is here sometimes, but not at the moment.
[13:49] <ScottK> Riddell: While you're at akademy, would you please see if you can have a chat with notmart about the automatic first run detection patch you did and see if he's interested in it for upstream?
[14:07] <sheytan> ScottK Yes, i know. I'm waiting for him ;)
[14:35] <Riddell> ScottK: yes notmart is on my list of people to talk to
[14:35] <ScottK> Riddell: Great.  Thanks.
[14:42] <sheytan> ofirk hi
[14:42] <sheytan> got you :D
[14:42] <ofirk> sheytan: hi
[14:42] <sheytan> We need to talk about the kubuntu web page ;)
[14:42] <sheytan> I've got some changes mockups. Would you like to see? :)
[14:42] <ofirk> sheytan: sure, send them to me
[14:42] <sheytan> ofirk http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9479/kubuntu.jpg
[14:42] <sheytan> the home page
[14:42] <sheytan> http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/8484/kubuntu1.jpg
[14:42] <sheytan> feature tour
[14:43] <sheytan> i can do for you all the artwork :)
[14:43] <ofirk> sheytan: nice!
[14:44] <sheytan> ofirk thank you :D
[14:44] <ofirk> sheytan: I will be glad to get some help !
[14:44] <sheytan> I will be glad to offer help :)
[14:44] <ofirk> sheytan: I think we should work on it for the next release of Kubuntu (at 10.10.10)
[14:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Any chance you'd have time to mash the accept button for qmf?
[14:45] <ScottK> It's straight from Debian, so shouldn't need much review.
[14:45] <sheytan> do you have an email or jabber? it's hard to catch you here :D
[14:45] <ofirk> that way we can introduce some new cool features for the release
[14:45] <sheytan> ofirk yes :)
[14:45] <ofirk> yes, klinger.ofir@gmail.com
[14:46] <ofirk> I am online most of the time
[14:46] <ofirk> in gmail...
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I can confirm that making kdebase-runtime provide notification-daemon has stopped vlc from dragging in half of gnome
[15:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Cool.
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> reinstalls of kubuntu are helpful for that sort of thing ;)
[15:03] <ScottK> ;-)
[15:14] <shadeslayer> sheytan: poke,seems you already talked to ofirk :D
[15:15] <sheytan> shadeslayer yes :D
[15:15] <sheytan> we're now working together :)
[15:15] <sheytan> want to see the cool stuff i already have? :D
[15:15] <shadeslayer> sheytan: ++ on the screenshots ;)
[15:16] <shadeslayer> saw them :D
[15:16] <sheytan> oh yeah :D
[15:16] <sheytan> thanks :D
[15:19] <jussi> hrm
[15:19] <jussi> do we not have current live builds?
[15:25] <shadeslayer> yes...
[15:25] <shadeslayer> !daily | jussi
[15:26] <Riddell> ScottK: qmf doesn't contain licence files?
[15:27] <ScottK> Riddell: I didn't check it, I just assumed it was good since it got into Debian.
[15:27] <Riddell> fabo: ^^
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> hrm, network-manager-kde-pptp seems to drag in network-manager-pptp, which drags in network-manager-pptp-gnome, which drags in gnome-keyring, gconf2 and friends :(
[15:27] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: btw grub upgrade seems to have gone fine
[15:27] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: lol\
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: you did work on splitting the network-manager plugins last release, yes?
[15:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also,any ideas on how to split knetworkmanager are appreciated ...
[15:28]  * shadeslayer doesnt know where to start ...
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> split knetworkmanager? huh?
[15:30] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I did yes
[15:30] <shadeslayer> uh
[15:30] <shadeslayer> s/knetworkmanager/kopete
[15:31] <Riddell> Recommends: network-manager-pptp-gnome | network-manager-pptp-kde   so it shouldn't bring in -gnome if you are installing -kde
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> hrm, fresh install of 10.04, upgraded to maverick, had the whole mess installed
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> maybe we have to explicitly seed -kde?
[15:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: just name a new package with that googletalk binary in?
[15:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uh... and what about libavmediacodecs? will it automatically be removed from kopete?
[15:33] <shadeslayer> ( from shlibs magic )
[15:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: does /usr/bin/kopete use that or just /usr/bin/googletalk-call ?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> imo just gcall
[15:34] <shadeslayer> but ill have to check...
[15:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also.. shoot the guy who took the akademy vids
[15:36] <shadeslayer> i mean... who shoots in 4:3 :P
[15:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: use ldd to check
[15:37] <shadeslayer> ok... i will have to download stuff
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw any ideas if we will ship kdepim 4.4.5 or 4.5 ?
[15:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: current advise seems to be that 4.5.1 should be good but not 4.5.0
[15:41] <Riddell> so need to check release schedules for that
[15:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: in the mean time it should go into experimental PPA
[15:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok.. well kdepim runtime was done so pushed it to bzr
[15:42] <Riddell> ScottK, fabo: qmf accepted, spoke to upstream and filed bug so the licence files should get included
[15:42] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[15:44] <Riddell> ScottK: going to get qt mobility uploaded?
[15:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Already uploaded.
[15:47] <Riddell> ooh so it is
[15:47] <Riddell> wonder if it has the same issue
[15:48] <ScottK> Riddell: I thought it was you that accepted it.
[15:48] <Riddell> it doesn't, all good there
[15:49] <Riddell> don't remember accepting it
[16:12] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1146750 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (MainWindow.cpp MainWindow.h muonui.rc) Add a menu item to launch software-properties-kde, and reload the software sources upon exit (as long as software-properties-kde says so.
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> ^would be neat if Muon could do the software sources config all on its own
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> maybe someday....
[16:21]  * nigelb has moved to Kubuntu :)
[16:21] <nigelb> finally I embrace the dark side ;)
[16:22] <sheytan> shadeslayer tell me please what do you think: http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6793/kubuntuhomepage.jpg
[16:22] <sheytan> other guys too :D
[16:22] <shadeslayer> sheytan: looks good...
[16:23] <shadeslayer> cant find any fault for now :P
[16:23] <sheytan> shadeslayer but i'm not quite happy with the netbook stuff :D
[16:23] <shadeslayer> lol..
[16:23] <shadeslayer> its good :D
[16:24] <sheytan> that empty space between netbook and news sucks;D
[16:24] <sheytan> really :D
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> nigelb: welcome!
[16:24] <nigelb> JontheEchidna: :)
[16:35] <shadeslayer> nigelb: whee
[16:35]  * shadeslayer brands nigelb with Kubuntu icon
[16:36] <nigelb> shadeslayer: heh
[16:36] <nigelb> shadeslayer: I'm on 9.04 though :/
[16:36] <shadeslayer> thats... fail...
[16:36] <nigelb> its the only kubuntu cd I have with me
[16:36] <shadeslayer> nigelb: why?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> nigelb: download a new one then :P
[16:37] <nigelb> Also ubuntu 10.04 fails to even go to install/try it out menu
[16:37] <nigelb> so, 'fraid 10.04 kubuntu will be same
[16:37] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:40] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1146760 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp Convert the relation type string from Utf8 to avoid random characters from appearing on localized systems
[16:42] <sheytan> shadeslayer did you see the latest versions of the business cards? :D
[16:42] <shadeslayer> no..
[16:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: kubuntu dev week poke
[16:43] <sheytan> shadeslayer http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/
[16:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: theres a 50 pc chance that we wont have kdeplasma addons 4.4.95 released for tommorow 
[16:43] <shadeslayer> sheytan: added to wiki?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: so what do you suggest?
[16:43] <sheytan> Nope :)
[16:43] <sheytan> Can you do that? :0
[16:44] <sheytan> :)
[16:44] <shadeslayer> sheytan: yeah
[16:44] <shadeslayer> sheytan: just upload the svg :D
[16:44] <sheytan> Go to 'dwonload' from that link :)
[16:44] <shadeslayer> Also.. can we move the kubuntu logo to the left and make it a wee bit smaller ?
[16:45] <sheytan> shadeslayer then the right side will look kinda empty
[16:45] <sheytan> because on the left there are contact infos
[16:46] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:47] <sheytan> yep, but i'll try :)
[16:48] <shadeslayer> still.... good stuff :)
[16:50] <sheytan> shadeslayer http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7041/kubuntubuisnesscarddark.png
[16:51] <shadeslayer> sheytan: wait.. no.. i meant shift kubuntu text to left :)
[16:51] <sheytan> shadeslayer with Name and Surname?
[16:52] <shadeslayer> sheytan: move Name and Surname to place of currect kubuntu text and move kubuntu text to left
[16:54] <sheytan> shadeslayer left top?
[16:54] <sheytan> or aligned to name?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> sheytan: left top...
[16:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: sup
[16:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: what's about KDW?
[16:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what do i take up for packaging tmmw ? :D
[16:55] <Quintasan> Why don't use use 4.4.4 packages?
[16:55] <Quintasan> They are going to be available without making users add some unstable repos
[16:55] <Quintasan> and
[16:56] <Quintasan> I think I can cover plasmoids tomorrow
[16:56] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:57] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: unless you want to package some cutting edge things :P
[16:57] <shadeslayer> hehe.. well kde tagging spree is tommorow :D
[16:57] <sheytan> shadeslayer http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/7041/kubuntubuisnesscarddark.png
[16:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: if that's the case I'm going to update my lucid kvm and prepare a talk
[16:58] <shadeslayer> sheytan: either a) lose the kubuntu icon or b) shift it besides the kubuntu text,whichever suits you :D
[16:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: talk for?
[16:59] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: plasmoids packaging ofc
[16:59] <shadeslayer> ah right
[16:59] <Quintasan> hmm
[16:59] <sheytan> shadeslayer i woul left it as it was oryginally :D
[17:00] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw are you talking about tutorials day or dev week? since i dont see you on tutorial day :P
[17:01] <shadeslayer> sheytan: :P
[17:01] <Quintasan> grr
[17:01] <Quintasan> @_@
[17:01]  * shadeslayer hides
[17:03] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: okay, you are going to cover packaging and merging tomorrow, right?
[17:03] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:04] <Quintasan> well, that's all needed
[17:04] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:04] <Quintasan> if someone wants to know how to package plasmoids then I can answer during Kubuntu Q&A
[17:04] <Quintasan> No need to create a separate seesion for it
[17:06] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: besides, you said you will do some work on Project Neon on weekend :P
[17:07] <Quintasan> anyways, I'm going to create a Wiki page for that
[17:07] <Quintasan> apachelogger said it is going to be difficult to go without a plan so I'm going to create a one
[17:07] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yes,but i didnt get any work to actually do :P,besides was a bit busy with patching rekonq :D
[17:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seems googletalk-call is the culprit
[17:08] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: well, do that first, if we are going to change konq to rekonq the we need it to be fully working
[17:08] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/e6fXzNG8
[17:08] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah,i just put in apturl support :)
[17:08] <shadeslayer> now ill be re writing the protocol handler
[17:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw what do you want done?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> just tell me :D
[17:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also i think we should add a patch which asks the user to install this package for enhanced multimedia functionality :P
[17:13] <shadeslayer> will need help with that
[17:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/9tKnDH59 << new control file
[17:22] <lex79> didn't you say that kopete-gcall use different libraries than kopete?
[17:27] <shadeslayer> lex79: i thought...
[17:28] <shadeslayer> lex79: but i just put in one binary in a seprate install file,and will check now
[17:29] <shadeslayer> [22:38]  * shadeslayer realises packaging is not for him... << From last years logs :D
[17:30] <shadeslayer> so much has changed :)
[17:30] <lex79> in that ^ control file you added libortp-dev, libmediastreamer-dev
[17:30] <lex79> but libmediastreamer depends on avcodec
[17:30] <lex79> and avcodec can't go in cd
[17:30] <sheytan> shadeslayer http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6793/kubuntuhomepage.jpg
[17:30] <sheytan> ubuntu like, but better then with netbook :D
[17:31] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:31] <sheytan> like it? :D
[17:32] <shadeslayer> lex79: ugh... but ...doesnt splitting the gcall binary remove it from kopete deps?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> sheytan: yep
[17:32] <shadeslayer> sheytan: more up to ofirk :P
[17:32] <sheytan> Cool :D
[17:32] <sheytan> ok :D
[17:33] <shadeslayer> lex79: i have no idea whatsoever on how to do this :P
[17:35] <lex79> me too, I think libkopete will depend on avcodec, but not sure
[17:35] <shadeslayer> will wait for Riddell to come out of hidey hole then :P
[17:37] <txwikinger> Is Kubuntu Tutorial Day today or tomorrow?
[17:38] <lex79> tomorrow
[17:38]  * txwikinger should maybe read all e-mails :D
[17:40] <freinhard> claydoh: just pushed kmymoney 3.98.1 (and aqbanking 4.2.4) with aqbanking support into my ppa but isn't built yet.
[17:59] <nigelb> now I understand why kubuntu 10.04 might me a good idea
[17:59]  * nigelb starts download
[17:59] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:59] <shadeslayer> nigelb: zsync it
[18:00] <nigelb> shadeslayer: huh?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> better that way.... much faster download
[18:00] <nigelb> from where? how?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> nigelb: ooohh
[18:00] <shadeslayer> nigelb: do you have a old ISO image?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> of Ubuntu/Kubuntu?
[18:00] <nigelb> nope
[18:01] <shadeslayer> nigelb: ok,install zsync first then
[18:01] <shadeslayer> package is zsync
[18:02] <nigelb> shadeslayer: done
[18:02] <shadeslayer> lemme get zsync link :)
[18:02] <shadeslayer> fire up a terminal till then
[18:02] <shadeslayer> nigelb: 32 bit or 64 bit?
[18:02] <nigelb> 32
[18:03] <shadeslayer> nigelb: run : zsync http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/10.04/kubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[18:03] <shadeslayer> nigelb: choose a download folder first tho..
[18:04] <shadeslayer> simply cd to download location
[18:04] <nigelb> downlading :)
[18:05] <shadeslayer> nigelb: now,you can cancel the download anytime by pressing ctrl+C
[18:05] <shadeslayer> nigelb: and when you cd to download location and run the zsync command again,it will pick up where it left off
[18:05] <nigelb> awesome, thanks :)
[18:06] <shadeslayer> nigelb: yeah,i find it pretty usefull to update daily images,downloads only small changes and applies them
[18:37] <ScottK> nigelb: This is the light side, not the dark side.  Welcome.
[18:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: do you have kde svn account?
[18:38] <nigelb> ScottK: heh
[18:38] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Nope.
[18:38] <maco2> shadeslayer: i do
[18:38] <shadeslayer> maco2: ooh
[18:38] <maco2> havent used it yet..but i do
[18:38] <nigelb> ScottK: should have seen it coming.  maco2's been trying to convince me for months!
[18:38] <shadeslayer> maco2: in Who supports this request? << can i put your name? :D
[18:38] <shadeslayer> im applying for one
[18:39] <maco2> nigelb: seele tried on me for 2.5 years and ScottK did it in less than a week :P
[18:39] <maco2> uh oh
[18:39] <nigelb> maco2: heh
[18:39] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I'd get Riddell to bless it.  
[18:39] <ScottK> (check and make sure he actually does)
[18:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: so i just put Riddell's name in it?
[18:39] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[18:39] <maco2> yeah Riddell's mucho importante que yo
[18:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uh... can i haz kde svn account plz? :)
[18:40] <nigelb> shadeslayer: Also might be a good idea to be an actual kubuntu dev and apply, you have more credibility then ;)
[18:40] <shadeslayer> nigelb: yeah,but im working with rekonq already ;)
[18:40] <nigelb> but then, I don't know how the kde system works yet
[18:40] <ScottK> nigelb: If Riddell blesses it, that should be sufficient.  
[18:40] <maco2> nigelb: i got my svn account after submitting about a dozen string changes and aseigo going "just get an account!"
[18:40] <nigelb> shadeslayer: why dont you get one of the rekonq dev to ack/
[18:41] <shadeslayer> hes not around much :P
[18:41] <shadeslayer> rarely IRC's :(
[18:41] <nigelb> maco2: same way I got access to burning team
[18:42] <nigelb> I kept poking soren for something or other and he pinged me a few minutes later "I've added you to the team, why don't you do it on your own :D
[18:42] <maco2> Riddell's probably at dinner right now. its about the time i called him yesterday.
[18:42] <shadeslayer> hmm :(
[18:42] <maco2> he says he had rudolph yesterday. i wonder if he's having bambi today?
[18:42] <nigelb> he's back from akademy?
[18:42] <shadeslayer> hahaha...
[18:42] <shadeslayer> nigelb: nah
[18:43] <maco2> no still in finland
[18:43] <nigelb> they must be watching match by now ;)
[18:43] <shadeslayer> nigelb: btw i saw kstar drinking some grey stuff.... cant tell if its lime + vodka or limca :P
[18:43] <maco2> but "you're back in scotland?" was my response when he said he was at a pub
[18:44] <nigelb> shadeslayer: hahaha
[18:44] <shadeslayer> ill leave the field empty for now and poke Riddell about the request 
[18:44] <nigelb> maco2: why? no pubs inn finland?
[18:44] <shadeslayer> nigelb: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_10NAUsX52R4/TDGZ7D_hqTI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/FjG5lgK6SRQ/s1600/IMG_8525.JPG
[18:45] <maco2> nigelb: well i figured theyd call them something else
[18:45]  * shadeslayer hits Request SVN account
[18:45] <nigelb> maco2: jussi might give you an unpronouncible name if you ask him
[18:47] <nigelb> shadeslayer: I agree, looks like limca
[18:47] <shadeslayer> nigelb: you never know :P
[18:48] <maco2> nigelb: fair point
[18:48] <maco2> nigelb: though he taught me how to say "sauna"
[18:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i requested a kde svn account ;)
[18:50] <nigelb> maco2: easiest way to irritate jussi, pronounce his name with a j ;)
[18:50] <shadeslayer> ^^ always do that
[18:50] <nigelb> initially at UDS, someone called him that and I heard him teaching that person how to pronounce
[18:50]  * nigelb was snickering the whole time listening in
[18:51] <shadeslayer> nigelb: so i have to pronounce it as ussi?
[18:51] <nigelb> shadeslayer: more like yossi
[18:51] <nigelb> maco2: right?
[18:52] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[18:52] <shadeslayer> jussi: put up a .ogg on how to pronounce your name :P
[18:52] <nigelb> shadeslayer: even sense's name has a tough pronounciation
[18:53] <shadeslayer> sense's ?
[18:54] <nigelb> sense hofstead = qense
[18:54] <maco2> nigelb: dholbach calls him "juicey"
[18:54] <nigelb> maco2: haha, now I remember who pronounced it wrong - dholbach!
[18:54] <shadeslayer> maco2: lol
[18:55] <maco2> nigelb: the *weird* bit is, in german the j is said the same as it is in jussi's name
[18:55] <nigelb> maco2: hahhaha
[19:03] <maco2> shadeslayer: you put down my name i see
[19:03] <shadeslayer> whut!
[19:03]  * shadeslayer didnt
[19:04] <shadeslayer> i removed your name...
[19:04]  * shadeslayer has no idea how that went through
[19:04] <maco2> i got an email saying rohan garg (thats you right?) put my name down
[19:04] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:04] <shadeslayer> maco2: i did search for you tho
[19:04] <shadeslayer> but i cleared the field ...
[19:04]  * maco2 having a fight with setup.py
[19:06] <shadeslayer> maco2: im sorry :(
[19:06]  * shadeslayer still doesnt know how that happened tho
[19:10] <nigelb> shadeslayer: lol
[19:11] <shadeslayer> nigelb: ??
[19:11] <shadeslayer> ikonia: \o
[19:11]  * shadeslayer loves late night code hacking 
[19:16] <nigelb> shadeslayer: about putting maco's name down
[19:16] <shadeslayer> nigelb: :p .. i didnt actually put it down.. KDE just luvs here i guess :P
[19:16] <shadeslayer> *her
[19:17] <shadeslayer> oh this is amazing...
[19:17] <shadeslayer> konqueror icon in taskbar shows up as a generic icon
[19:17] <shadeslayer> fall of konqueror :P
[19:18] <nigelb> hah
[19:19] <shadeslayer> oh.. i can speed up rekonq url bar...
[19:19] <shadeslayer> borrowing kode from konqueror here
[19:39]  * shadeslayer keeps refreshing gmail after every 5 mins to check for kde sysadmin mail
[19:40] <Riddell> neversfelde: 19:29 < kees> Riddell: can you remove the openjpeg build deps from whatever was using it?  I've rejected that MIR on the ground of scary code.  :)
[19:40] <Riddell> incase you're still feeling in a koffice mood
[19:41] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[19:41] <neversfelde> Riddell: which MIR?
[19:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh are you free for a moment?
[19:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i requested a kde svn account.. can you bless my request :P
[19:42] <Riddell> neversfelde: openjpeg rejected which is a MIR for koffice
[19:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what do you need an svn account for?
[19:43] <neversfelde> Riddell: ah ok, I am free the whole weekend and can have a look at it
[19:43] <lex79> JontheEchidna: do you know if they fixed the "bold issue" in Qt 4.7 ? we have two patch for bold issue
[19:43] <neversfelde> but exam on Friday, so not before
[19:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: more contrib to KDE?
[19:44] <maco2> Riddell: above shadeslayer said he's been working on rekonq
[19:44] <maco2> but that the rekonq person is hard to reach
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> lex79: our patch needs to be fixed at any rate: bug 583526
[19:44] <shadeslayer> adjam rarely comes to IRC :P
[19:44] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I'm packaging a new snapshot of Qt, but with our two patches, the text bold is too bold now :)
[19:45] <shadeslayer> oh and bug 602389 just came through
[19:47] <ikonia> shadeslayer: did you call 
[19:47] <shadeslayer> ikonia: just said hi :P
[19:47] <ikonia> ahh
[19:47] <ikonia> in that case "hi"
[19:48] <claydoh> freinhard: nice on aqbanking/kmymoney, just sat down to figure out what I needed to learn
[19:48]  * claydoh has only the very basics of packaging 
[19:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: rekonq is in git not svn
[19:49] <lex79> JontheEchidna: can I disable the two patches for now?
[19:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: but it has a SVN copy as well.. right?
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> lex79: probably wouldn't hurt to at least try it for a bit without the two
[19:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: dunno, I'm pretty sure its main activity is in svn
[19:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: really you need to get some code in KDE SVN before asking for an account
[19:50] <lex79> JontheEchidna: yes,they are very broken now :)
[19:50]  * shadeslayer wonders if docs count
[19:51] <lex79> Riddell: when I finished can I upload a new Qt and qtwebkit snapshot?
[19:51] <Riddell> lex79: fine with me but I don't remember if kubuntu-dev access covers it
[19:52] <lex79> Riddell: yes I can :)
[19:52] <Riddell> groovy
[19:53] <Riddell> lex79: rekonq has a patch to stop flash crashing, I heard it might not be needed with new qtwebkit so that would be worth checking if it should go away
[19:53] <shadeslayer> and i dont think my apturl patch will be in 0.5
[19:53] <lex79> Riddell: rekonq depends on gtk now to workaround the crash of flash
[19:53] <shadeslayer> since 0.5 was tagged in git...
[19:54] <lex79> / workaround for recent flashplugins
[19:54] <lex79> #include <gtk/gtk.h>
[19:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: just add it to our packages then
[19:54] <lex79>     // just a hackisch workaround for recent flashplugins
[19:54] <lex79>     gtk_init(&argc, &argv);
[19:55] <shadeslayer> lex79: ^^ 
[19:55] <shadeslayer> lex79: apturl patch : http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kubuntu_01_apturl.patch
[19:55] <shadeslayer> so when you poke rekonq you can update that too :D
[19:55] <lex79> I don't think is a priority seeing what I pasted there ^
[19:56] <shadeslayer> oh.. right..
[19:56]  * shadeslayer checking kode now
[20:02] <lex79> Riddell: I will keep Qtmultimedia library for now, fine? Debian has already removed it
[20:08] <shadeslayer> lex79: ooh.. brokenness http://pastebin.com/vTPQnNTj
[20:09] <shadeslayer> should that be >=
[20:10] <lex79> I think it's already fixed in bzr
[20:10] <shadeslayer> ah ok.. kewl
[20:37] <Riddell> lex79: yes I think we need to keep it until it gets a separate release
[20:37] <lex79> ok
[20:46] <freinhard> claydoh: me neither, fetched your sources, installed ubuntu-dev-tools, started cdbs-edit-patch, modified the two files, then "exit 0", edit the changelog "dch -i", modify the dependency versions and finally debuild -S
[20:47] <freinhard> claydoh: thats all i did. to sum it up: lucky me that i figured out that fast how to get that done
[20:47] <claydoh> freinhard: sweet
[20:48] <freinhard> claydoh: if you want to build it on your system at home you need to get the dependencies avilable for pbuilder. i did that via my ppa with OTHERMIRROR in .pbuilderrc
[20:48] <claydoh> so the patch itself doesn't need to be put anywhere then?
[20:48] <freinhard> i bet there's a ton of other and better ways to do that...
[20:49] <freinhard> after you start cdbs-edit-patch <some patchname which might not exist yet>
[20:49] <freinhard> you get a sandbox of the source directory
[20:49] <freinhard> there you just modify the files
[20:49] <freinhard> then quit and you get a patch in return
[20:50] <freinhard> for me it was easier then fiddling round with patchfiles that might or might not apply
[20:50] <freinhard> and it works! just synced my bank accounts. yay!
[20:54] <freinhard> btw: did anyone package Kraft? i packaged ctemplates for lucid so one can package Kraft...
[20:55] <freinhard> yay, 0.40 in maverick!
[21:01] <shadeslayer> freinhard: yeah,debian picked up my lucid package :P
[21:01] <shadeslayer> +also
[21:01] <shadeslayer> so 0.40 in sid as well
[21:02] <lontra> yay holland!
[21:04] <neversfelde> offside
[21:26] <freinhard> shadeslayer: theres a lucid package?
[21:27] <shadeslayer> freinhard: yes
[21:27] <shadeslayer> in my ppa
[21:27] <freinhard> shadeslayer: no chance to get that into backports?
[21:27] <shadeslayer> nope
[21:27] <shadeslayer> its a major version change
[21:28] <freinhard> strange policy. crapy software (yes 0.2x sucks) that nobody uses in favor of shiny good news stuff ;)
[21:28] <freinhard> s/news/new/
[21:30] <shadeslayer> freinhard: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[21:31] <neversfelde> mhh, backports?
[21:31] <shadeslayer> ohh
[21:32]  * shadeslayer is all sleepy
[21:32] <shadeslayer> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[21:32] <shadeslayer> freinhard: feel free to file a bug
[21:32] <freinhard> shadeslayer: i whish there was something like this in kpackagekit: "you want to install <packagename>, theres <shiny new verion> in <whereever>"
[21:32] <shadeslayer> ah.. thats like software center
[21:33] <shadeslayer> freinhard: packages in https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra
[21:33] <freinhard> already added and installed :D
[21:33] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:33] <shadeslayer> i meant if you want to file a bug ;)
[21:35] <freinhard> shadeslayer: what is software centerß
[21:36] <shadeslayer> freinhard: ubuntu has a software centre ... just google .. really tired and going to sleep atm :P
[21:36] <Riddell> it's just another frontend to apt, app based rather than package based
[21:37] <maco2> Riddell: can you help me with packaging so shadeslayer  can sleep?
[21:37] <shadeslayer> maco2: lemme complete my poking :P
[21:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer sleeps?
[21:37] <Riddell> maco2: what needs packaged?
[21:37] <shadeslayer> hehe
[21:37] <maco2> Riddell: claims to
[21:37] <maco2> Riddell: im trying to package gally so i can put it in a ppa and then when i get KStandardDirs sorted into universe
[21:38] <maco2> (*cough*and debian i know i know*cough*)
[21:38] <shadeslayer> maco2: there really is no reason why it should be installing to init.d
[21:38] <maco2> and i have a debian/gally thats a wrapper script so you dont need to use capitals and .py and all to run it, and i made a debian/gally.install and put it in there marked to go in /usr/bin/ and *that* works
[21:39] <maco2> but then it /also/ ends up in /etc/init.d/ for no reason that i can fathom
[21:39] <maco2> so i want to know how to tell debian/rules "don't do that"
[21:39] <shadeslayer> theres a dirty hack tho :P
[21:39] <maco2> shadeslayer: put a rm in the debian/rules?
[21:39] <shadeslayer> add a clean part at the end and use rm 
[21:39] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:40] <maco2> other option is ignore it and let there be an extra file for no good reason
[21:40] <Riddell> I can't think why it would go into /etc/init.d
[21:40] <shadeslayer> maco2: also.. whats the use of a empty _init_.py?
[21:40] <Riddell> maco2: do you have this in bzr or the like somewhere?
[21:40] <maco2> shadeslayer: *shrug* rockstar did the setup.py stuff as i dont know how to do distutils magic
[21:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~maco.m/gally/
[21:41] <maco2> Riddell: http://code.launchpad.net/~gally-dev
[21:41] <shadeslayer> thats the whole tarball
[21:41] <maco2> yeah either of those
[21:41] <neversfelde> Riddell: can you send me a link to the rejected opendjpeg MIR?
[21:41] <maco2> once this works i'll make one of those recipe things
[21:41] <shadeslayer> maco2: lol http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/
[21:42] <maco2> shadeslayer: chmod?
[21:42] <shadeslayer> to?
[21:42] <maco2> shadeslayer: at least 644
[21:42] <shadeslayer> ah
[21:43] <Riddell> neversfelde: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjpeg/+bug/591235
[21:44] <neversfelde> Riddell: thanks, so libopenjpeg is already in main, but shouldn't be there?
[21:45] <Riddell> neversfelde: right I promoted it and all the other koffice MIRs without approval
[21:45] <Riddell> maco2: debian/compat missing
[21:46] <Riddell> maco2: source format isn't quilt, it's native
[21:46] <maco2> compat's not one of the 4 required...
[21:46] <neversfelde> k, I will remove the dep
[21:46] <Riddell> maco2: you have a shell script in debian/galley which is where the build needs to install its files
[21:47] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Major version changes are mostly what backports are for.
[21:47] <maco2> Riddell: so get rid of source/ dir and put in a compat file that just says 7 ?
[21:47] <maco2> Riddell: since rules is using dh7 syntax?
[21:47] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yeah.. sleepy .. so thought he was talking about SRU :P
[21:47] <Riddell> >cat debian/source/format 
[21:47] <Riddell> 3.0 (native)
[21:47] <Riddell> maco2: echo 7 > debian/compat
[21:48] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you get a chance to discuss the proposed KDE updates policy with anyone?
[21:48] <maco2> Riddell: i see. thank you
[21:48] <Riddell> ScottK: no I should sound out lubos with that
[21:49] <maco2> Riddell: but what do you mean about the shell script? i want that to go in /usr/bin
[21:49] <ScottK> Please do.  I'd really like to get 4.4.5 into lucid-proposed.
[21:50] <Riddell> ScottK: notmart seems interested about having startkde chose between plasma netbook and workspace but unsure if it's suitable for upstream (I suspect they're not as confident about netbook workspace as they ought to be)
[21:50] <maco2> startkde? whats that? can you pick between them at kdm at least?
[21:50] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd hope notmart is at least confident about it.
[21:50] <Riddell> he does want to have global menu collapsed by default when qt 4.8 is out but thought it might be too risky for us to use by default in 10.10, maybe he's just the cautious type
[21:51] <shadeslayer> maco2: yeah
[21:51] <shadeslayer> maco2: its like,you disable kdm,then you drop to shell at boot,login and use startkde
[21:51] <maco2> shadeslayer: oh ok just like startx
[21:51] <shadeslayer> pretty much what kdm does :P
[21:51] <maco2> but more specific
[21:51] <shadeslayer> maco2: yeah
[21:51] <Riddell> startkde is the script that kdm runs to start Plasma
[21:52] <ScottK> Riddell: We'll just have to keep agateau duct taped to his chair until it works.
[21:52] <shadeslayer> ok now really off to sleep,before someone catches me for updating kdau
[21:52] <maco2> Riddell: thanks
[21:52] <shadeslayer> *kadu
[21:52]  * maco2 giggles 
[21:52] <maco2> keeping a cake duct taped to his chair....
[21:57] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't think notmart had any paticular worry about the global menu just that it's new and unproven (but then how do you get it proven)
[21:58] <ScottK> Right, well this is called "maverick" for a reason ...
[21:58] <Riddell> maco2: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/gally_0.5b1-0ubuntu1~gally10.04.1.dsc
[21:59] <nigelb> any reason why kubuntu lucid installation will not go further than plymouth?
[22:00] <maco2> Riddell: oh. hrmph. ok... *tilting head sideways*
[22:00] <maco2> Riddell: i guess that makes sense. thanks
[22:00] <Riddell> nigelb: probably several although none I'm qualified to debug.  try booting without "splash" if you can
[22:00] <nigelb> Riddell: is there a way to do that from live cd?
[22:00] <nigelb> o.O
[22:01] <Riddell> nigelb: if you have grub on bootup then you can edit it there, else you need to boot the live CD, mount the hard disk and edit files in /boot/grub
[22:02] <nigelb> I can boot into 9.04, but trying to install 10.04 doesn't go to the place where I can install.  Just goes black
[22:04] <nigelb> since I'm not so big on triaging the problem, I'll just download the alternative install cd and use that :)
[22:10] <ScottK> nigelb: You could also just upgrade 9.04 -> 9.10 -> 10.04
[22:10] <nigelb> ScottK: not a great fan of upgrading
[22:10] <ScottK> That would give you a ext3/grub 1 system by default and so you might get a better result.
[22:11] <ScottK> New install would be grub2
[22:11] <Riddell> nigelb: you can boot the desktop CD and press F6 then more "splash" from the options
[22:11] <nigelb> and boot without the spash?
[22:11] <Riddell> s/more/remove/
[22:11] <Riddell> yes, worth a shot
[22:12] <nigelb> but the spash works fine, its only after that I get problems, but like you said, worth a shot... brb :)
[22:12] <Riddell> it's the transition from splash to X which is the issue
[22:12] <Riddell> getting rid of the splash might get rid of that issue
[22:15] <maco2> Riddell: YOU ROCK! THANK YOU!
[22:33] <nigelb> Riddell: Nope, no luck :(
[22:33] <nigelb> I guess X itself is b0rking :(
[23:04] <ScottK> Riddell: I tried agateau's appmenu widget on plasma-netbook and it did manage to make it crash, but not much else.