[00:01] How can I move my downloaded podcasts to ipod with Amarok? [00:01] does anyone use Kontact's to-do list? [00:02] James147: i found it a different way before that last message thanks anyhow [00:02] i'll probably trade out quassel for xchat [00:13] goodnight [00:19] help! I've clicked on flowplayer flash video player plugin in firefox to put it in full screen mode, and now X is stuck at 100% cpu and the display is messed up and hung this way (for minutes). What's the cleanest way to get out of this state? and is this a known issue? [00:21] (since X is stuck, the only access I have is from another computer via ssh) [00:23] amichair_: alt+print screen + k work? that should restart X [00:24] James147: thanks, will that kill all open applications? [00:24] amichair_: yes [00:25] James147: is there any way to find out which apps will die, and to close them gracefully? [00:29] amichair_: not if x has died [00:36] anyone have tv out working with the nouveau driver? [00:37] James147: alt-prtsc-k worked, but then the display clicked backed and forth between blank, gibberish and tty a few times, and now it's stuck on ascii junk :-( [00:39] I think I'll reboot it remotely, like the good old windows days [00:39] or restart kdm [00:42] how come cheese don't work right in kde like it does in gnome? [00:42] robertzaccour: it should [00:43] James147, it might be because i'm using the 10.10 alpha 2 perhaps haha [00:44] robertzaccour: dont see why... [00:45] James147, using alpha software should not affect it that way? [00:45] robertzaccour: it can... dont really see why cheese would be [00:46] James147, maybe its my graphics card, kde does push it more than any other DE [00:47] James147: restarted kdm, it's not doing a few more blank screen to tty cycles [00:47] James147: s/not/now/ [00:47] maybe the nvidia driver is borked? [00:51] James147: I rebooted via ssh. Thanks though, the alt-prtsc-k trick is good to know! [00:55] amichair: also you can hit Alt+ctrl+F[1-6] to get to a vertual console [00:56] James147: it didn't work at the time - all stuck. only remote ssh worked. [01:07] ciao [02:05] hi there [02:27] Hello, my laptop does not wanna read the dvds I put on. For no reason, when I insert it, I wait a moment and nothing shows in the app. Whats wrong? [02:33] Luija1006: the app? [02:33] connected hardware [02:36] no help? [02:36] Mac has screenflow, windows has camtasia, is there a defacto standard for doing screencasts in kubuntu? [02:37] Ive looked, but nothing stands out. feel like im missing the winner. [02:38] So for some reason my laptop does not wanna read the dvds I insert. I wait some moment, the laptop seems it reading it because of the flashing light, but it suddenly stops, and nothing shows between the connected hardware. Whats wrong? [02:40] ussher_: you mean screen capture? [02:41] Luija1006: for just screen capture xvidcaps works fine, but the mac/windows ones are a full package of effect too. [02:42] zoom in after recording, isolate areas, change rotation perspective, include the webcam and the screen cap together [02:43] Luija1006: for your issue, did you try mounting it from the command line? sounds like your DVD is not being mounted [02:46] ussher_: kdenlive is a good vedio editor... dont know of anyhting that you can add effects to whi;e recording [02:47] ussher_: whats the command? [02:47] for that [02:47] James147: thanks, yeah that is about as close as i have found. but kdenlive uses recordmydesktop to capture the screen, but then it cant deal with the .ogg file that is created. weird. [02:48] Luija1006: you will need to create a place to mount it if there isnt one already, something like 'sudo mkdir /media/dvd' then mount it with [02:49] ussher_: I type that in the command line? [02:49] done [02:49] hold on there are a few steps, im looking for a good tutorial [02:51] Luija1006: actually, before you try mounting it manually, I think there is a widget that takes care of it [02:51] normally device manager [02:52] yeah something like that. [02:52] doesnt show up there? [02:55] Luija1006: do you know the location of your DVD drive? [02:55] no lol [02:55] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=684420 [02:56] ah, i dont know mine either. :) GUI makes things easy..... [03:06] anyone else seeing this: on kde 4.5 RC kaffeine wont display videos (audio works fine) untill i change tab and back again... then it work like it should [03:24] my cd rw / dvd rw wont read cds on my laptop. help? [03:31] sorry, i lost connection. is there a way to test the cd/dvd rewriter to get it to read cd's? [03:32] question: if someone says "you will need to turn [03:32] on the plugin via the Dolphin settings, it will show up there as a version control plugin" [03:32] where in Dolphin do i look for that? [03:34] cato37: are you saying it won't read CDs or CDROMs and DVDs too? [03:35] newboon2age: it will do burn and play dvd's but nothing cd. [03:36] cato37: so how about trying to boot from a Kubuntu CD. Does that work? [03:36] the other os it will burn and play cds and rewritable cds [03:36] kubuntu is now the only os on this laptop [03:36] i have had it for about a two weeks but didnt need to use a cd until now. [03:37] cato37: logically if it will boot off a Kubuntu CDROM at least you know its not Kubuntu in general that's the problem, but something that's wrong with thte configuration. [03:37] cato37: getting called away... [03:37] k [03:38] i used kubuntu burned onto a dvd [03:38] hb newboon [03:41] i used both cd write and rewrite functions on the other os and the burner works, but not in kubuntu. is there another driver? [03:51] cato37: okay what i was thinking was that if you could burn a kubuntu cd (i guess it'd have to be on another machine or a different os) and then boot off that CDROM it would tell you that there's something funky w/ your configuration, not Kubuntu itself. [03:52] cato37: i can tell you that i've used kubuntu to burn CDROMs (of Kubuntu and Ubuntu) [03:53] it wont read cds. the plug in manager continues to read, "no devices plugged in" even though the burner is reading the cd [03:53] or at least it sounds like it is reading the cd [03:55] dvds work fine [03:56] everything works in vista... or when i had vista on it, now i have kubuntu, but i didnt need a cd till now. [03:59] cato37: so when you say 'the burner is reading the CD' are you talking about the burn software on Kubuntu? [04:00] cato37: logically the idea of trying to boot off a Kubuntu CD (not DVD) is a reasonable way to see if it is Kubuntu in general or just something is wrong with the configuration of Kubuntu. [04:00] no, i meant to type that a cd with data on it will click and spin as though data were being read, but nothing happens on the screen and the device manager reads that there is no device plugged in with a cd, or a cd-rw. [04:01] i dont have a kubuntu cd [04:01] cato37: yes, i caught that, but i wondered if you might be able to download/burn one on either another machine or on a different OS. [04:02] i burned kubuntu onto a dvd because dvd's are just as cheap as cd's when on sale, so why pay the same amount for far less data? [04:02] not until tomorrow. [04:02] cato37: yes, that makes sense. Just that now you want to test the CD ability. [04:03] cato37: do you have a blank CD/r/w disk? I know on my kubuntu [04:03] it is 2100 here, and i wont be able to make a cd until 1000 tomorrow. i was hoping it might be as simple as a driver install [04:03] when i pop a blank one in, it asks what i want to do with it. [04:03] cato37: and that would also be a good test. [04:04] cato37: you could be right. There may be a driver install that would fix it. Sorry i don't know about that. [04:04] blank cd rw do nothing but spin and make typical noises as though the burner was reading the disk, but nothing happens on the desktop [04:05] the burner program waits for me to put in a disk. [04:05] cato37: okay, that tells you something, since normally it should ask you what you want to do with it. [04:05] dvd rw works, and dvd as well. [04:06] cato37: please tel me, where is the 'device manager'? [04:07] sorry, the "device notifyer". it is in the launch bay of the menu bar. [04:08] cato37: is that on the left or the right of the bottom panel? [04:08] i cant type... "device notifier" [04:08] the icon in the menu bar on the right hand side by the date and time [04:09] cato37: is that the little 'i' in a circle? [04:10] cato37: oh, is it the little usb symbol on a blue background [04:11] cato37: is this an external drive? [04:11] no, it is the grey and blue symbol. the blue looks like a screen, and the grey looks like a dome at the top, the gray at the bottom looks like a stand. [04:12] yes, the usb symbol. [04:12] cato37: is this an external drive? [04:12] no, it is a matshita uj-480 [04:12] intregal to the laptop [04:12] inside the laptop [04:12] the info box doesnt do anything. :) [04:13] cato37: on device notifier settings, do you have it set to all, or Removable Devices only? [04:13] re: notify circle doesnt do anything when plugging in a dved [04:13] removable devices only [04:14] cato37: so if you change it to all devices does it at least see the drive? [04:14] i just changed it to all [04:16] cato37: i just changed it on mine and even though mine is also integral and does work in all respects on Kubuntu it doesn't show up, just the hard disk. [04:17] cato37: so i guess that won't answer your question. [04:18] yeah. it is past nine and the café is closing. the barrista is about to kick me out. i need to go. but thanx for trying to help. :) [04:18] i will be back on tomorrow, sooner if i head over to the other café. lol [04:19] it is open till 2300 [04:19] check this post out... 'audiocd:' (without quotes) in the address bar. Or try and navigate to /media/cdromx [04:20] That is if you have an audio cd in the drive. Its from http://www.thewinforums.com/threads/41926-Kubuntu-not-detecting-cd-rom-( [04:21] cato37: also if other things don't work my experiment of booting from a Kubuntu CD is still a good test of whether its a configurarion error or Kubuntu itself [04:21] thanx newbook [04:21] *newboon [04:21] cato37: and if its kubuntu itself it may be a driver issue. [04:21] k. [04:21] cato37: good luck! [04:23] thanx. i think i will head over to the other café and keep trying. [04:23] bbs. [04:23] it is across the street and close enough to use this café's wifi. [04:24] okay ttyt [04:28] how does everyone like ubuntu? === promulo_ is now known as promulo === fran is now known as Guest74456 [04:49] hi everyone, do you know how to download music from internet === Guest74456 is now known as fran_ [04:50] hello [04:50] someone [04:50] i need to know how to download music with kubuntu [04:50] is this an english forum [04:51] fran_: you need to go to a site like amazon and buy it... Or you can stream it from sites like last.fm [04:52] last.fm. can i get it for free or paid [04:53] fran_: last.fm lets you stream music, and offers link do buy & download it [04:53] fran_: use amarok, its awesome!! [04:54] i dont know how to use it, i am new in this matter [04:54] dont bother downloading, stream from shoutcast. [04:55] install it with the package manager. have you used kpackageit before? [04:55] just look for amarok. [04:55] ussher_: amarok is default in 10.04 [04:55] amarok should already be installed if you have kubuntu... [04:55] thanks james147 [04:56] Does anybody else have a tempremental 'konsole' mine sometimes opens, sometimes doesnt. Today it just wont open.... [04:56] i will do it [04:56] cheers newboon2age, didnt know that. good choice for a default package. [04:57] ussher_: :) [05:01] fran_: are you still there? [05:02] ussher_: which part is the 'konsole' (new to Kubuntu, just learning)... [05:04] is under the K menu -> system -> konsole (terminal) [05:04] should open a black box window with $ waiting for you to type something in [05:04] ussher_: oh, how you get a terminal. I didn't know the name. [05:05] usually clicking on the konsole(terminal) will open that window. but mine only sometimes does. [05:05] today click click click click, show it trying to open then .......... nothing [05:05] ussher_: did that just start after the latest dist-upgrade? [05:05] sometimes it will open the box with an error. today not even a box. [05:06] its been on and off for a while. Today is the first time i havent been able to get one open after a few attempts. [05:07] ussher_ mine works all the time (new install) [05:08] Its nice when stuff works. [05:08] ussher_: i wonder if you'd see anything more if you ran it manually. What's the equiv of alt-F2 (from Ubuntu) in Kubuntu? [05:09] ussher_: or once you get a terminal trying to run it from terminal. [05:10] ussher_: maybe that would tell you if its something on the Command Line level or something in the GUI. [05:10] haha :) "to fix this issue, first open a terminal..." [05:10] ussher_: or Alt+F2 (equivalent in Kubuntu) [05:11] ussher_: another thing that would be interesting would be to see if any other programs have similar problems launching or if its just Konsole. [05:11] yeah good call. Ill do that, I think ctrl+alt+F6 gets me to a terminal [05:12] its just konsole. [05:13] done and sorted :) just wanted to update my /etc/hosts file. ctrl+alt+F6 and im good to go now. [05:13] thanks newboon2age [05:14] ussher_: sure... so that allowed you to edit. maybe it will give some clues about what's happening too. [05:15] ill wait to see if konsole is in a better mood tomorrow. It may just be taking a day off, holiday. [05:16] ussher_: i looked in the menu and it just gets launched with 'konsole' nothing more. [05:16] ussher_: another thing to figure out would be if there are some switched that would help it be more reliable... [05:20] back. at the neighboring café. it doesnt have wifi, but it is close enough to pick up the café across the street [05:23] cato37: hey, i was about to give up on you. i thought of some more things to check... [05:24] brb [05:24] thanx. i started chatting with someone and lost track of time [05:26] cato37: others may have better ideas than me so i hope they'll feel free to chime in [05:27] cato37: okay well what i was thinking was to see if Dolphin can see the drive. [05:28] cato37: and to check the Dophin settings [05:28] no, dolphin cannot see it [05:28] cato37: for services [05:29] services? [05:30] cato37: under Dolphin settings [05:31] ic. i am looking at the services under search: cd [05:33] cato37: are you looking under Dolphin configuration->Settings or something else? [05:33] the dolphin add-on installer. [05:33] cato37: hmmmm... let me see... [05:34] cato37: tell me again how you got there? [05:35] dolphin -> services -> download new services [05:35] cato37: okay, for a minute i thought maybe you'd found something that was new to me. [05:36] dolphin -> settngs -> configure dolphin -> services -> download new services [05:36] help-me not shared netowork Kubuntu 9,1 !! [05:36] cato37: please repeat [05:37] dolphin -> settngs -> configure dolphin -> services -> download new services [05:37] cato37: oh i got your message mixed up with the one from home_ [05:38] srsrsrs oks1 [05:38] cato37: i was thinking that maybe the 'services' for running k3b for CDs might be turned off. [05:40] everything is checked [05:41] cato37: :/ [05:41] cato37: do you have an audio or CDROM with you? [05:42] yes. i found something but it is old [05:42] pt-br | Kubuntu 9,10 nao compartilha internet, com proceder? [05:42] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1018302 [05:42] !br | home [05:42] home: Entre em #ubuntu-br usando /join #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [05:44] cato37: like "ry running "cat /etc/fstab" in your terminal and use whatever is listed as your cd-rom drive is the default" [05:44] cato37: ry should have been 'try' [05:50] cato37: i don't know if mine is different since its a wubi install, but my fstab doesn't show the cd drive. [05:50] Hi everybody [05:51] What's a "wubi" install? [05:51] cato37: you still there? [05:52] still here. sidetracked by someone talking to me here at the table [05:52] firstkendall: a wubi install is a way to install in Ubuntu/Kubuntu on Windows w/o partitioning. [05:53] Ahh, I see. Thanks. [05:53] the cd's dont read [05:53] cato37: so you have one to try? [05:53] cato37: an audio CD? [05:53] several types speeds and brands. [05:54] blank [05:54] all of my cd's are data [05:54] cato37: oh they're all blank? [05:54] blank or filled with data, or executables === promulo_ is now known as promulo [05:55] cato37: so no audio CDs? [05:55] i was in an automobile acccident and the head injury resulted in music giving me bad migraines. :( [05:56] no audio cd's [05:56] cato37: bummer. I was thinking to try that thing i posted earlier... lets see if there's anything from it that can help... [05:57] That is if you have an audio cd in the drive. Its from http://www.thewinforums.com/threads/41926-Kubuntu-not-detecting-cd-rom-( [05:57] check this post out... 'audiocd:' (without quotes) in the address bar. Or try and navigate to /media/cdromx [05:58] cato37: okay, is there anything under /media/ directory? [06:00] file or folder doesnot exist [06:01] i am going to try to install nautalis (sp?) and see if that does it [06:01] cato37: hmmm... i checked mine and i didn't have anything there, but let me try putting a disk in and see if it changes... [06:04] cato37: how about under /dev ? [06:04] cato37: for me after i put a data disk in under /dev/ i have cdrom and cdrw [06:05] i am not sure what you mean by under /dev [06:05] so i went to a terminal and did cd /dev and then ls [06:06] changing directories to the /dev/ directory and then listing the files there. [06:06] k [06:06] it is colorful [06:08] cdrom loop1 pts rtc0 tty10 tty3 tty49 ttyS1 vcsa [06:08] cato37: okay you have 'cdrom' , do you have a disk in the drive btw? [06:08] could installing a cd ripper have changed the settings? [06:08] yes, i have a blank disk in [06:09] cato37: cd ripper in Kubuntu? [06:09] dvd ripper> thoggen [06:09] cato37: is thoggen something you installed in Kubuntu? [06:10] apt-get [06:11] cato37: either way while i wouldn't normally think so i can at least imagine it could change the [06:11] settings cato37 [06:12] sony, phillips, tkd, blank disks. [06:13] the cdrw is a verbatim and it has data on it and it doesnt show either. [06:13] okay, so if you use dolphin to go over and look at your /dev directory [06:13] cato37: and check to see what the permissions on cdrom are [06:15] this file is a link and does not have permissions. ownership user: root | group: cdrom [06:15] that might make a big difference. [06:16] cato37: user and group? also where is it pointing to? [06:16] sr0 [06:16] cato37: same w/ me. user and group? [06:17] root and cdrom [06:17] cato37: same w/ me... okay how about when you look at sr0 [06:19] same as cdrom except there is an advanced permissions box that shows that user and group have permission to read and write [06:20] cato37: okay on that one under advanced permissions i have [06:21] cato37: a line with the name my username in addition to root [06:21] ah, when i set up kubuntu i set up the first login as admin and have been doing everything in this one, the second user. will that make a difference? [06:22] cato37: yes it could [06:22] i am going to log out and go into the first user. brb. [06:22] cato37: if your username doesn't have permission to read and write that could make the differnce [06:23] cato37: are you going to do that now? [06:23] i was going to wait for you to say if it was a good idea to do so [06:23] cato37: okay well i'm betting that will work. so... [06:24] cato37: and that you've zeroed in on the problem [06:24] i added my username with r w but not x. what is x? [06:24] cato37: a way to fix this would be to add your username to all the appropriate groups. [06:25] k [06:25] cato37: somebody showed me how to do that before, but i don't recall. [06:25] sounds like sysadmin stuff. :) [06:25] cato37: there's probably a gui tool to do it on Kubuntu [06:25] cato37: let's look real quick... [06:26] 'lo [06:26] there is user management in the system settings [06:27] I uhhhh. Need some help with sharing a printer to windows machines. I actually just need somebody to send me off in the right direction. I have the printer working, I have the printer shared to other kubuntu machines, I just need to know how to share it to windows. I have tried the google and have found a ton of different information, but nothing that seems definitive. [06:28] cato37: i found it. [06:28] Did I mention I love KDE? Seriously. I want to buy a tshirt or something. [06:29] Guys my laptop does not wanna read dvds, whats going on? [06:30] reboot brb [06:30] cato37: its under System->System Settings->User Management->Advanced [06:30] dan_: this are two links to information bout samba. it helped me with some other issues, hope it helps you: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ [06:30] users and groups [06:31] avihay: thanks a lot man. True story: my dad who's over 9000 year old has a problem with downloading 'codecs' off of 'websites' . If ya know what I"m saying. So I punished him by making him use the kubuntu. [06:32] and now he's still got a windows lappy that he wants to print from. Hence the oddness. [06:33] oh,and if bad comes to worst, you can have him use a pdf printer, and have a script that looks in a specific directory for PDF files, and prints them on the linux machine... [06:34] Does that work pretty well? [06:37] no, since you don't have control over printing properties, but, as I've said, it's a solution for a worst case scenario [06:39] Luija1006: can you read CDs or CDROMs? [06:40] back.. it didnt work in user1000 either [06:41] cato37: and user1000 is the admin? [06:41] yes [06:41] cato37: well its still worth doing this... [06:41] k [06:41] cato37: under System->System Settings->Advanced->Users and Groups [06:41] i am there [06:42] make sure that both user1000 and whatever this other account is are members of the group [06:43] cato37: cdrom and probably most of the rest of the groups (except maybe admin) [06:45] k [06:46] cato37: also when i clicked on the username and then clicked Modify [06:47] i have a checked box that has no words after it. [06:47] it wont uncheck. do you know what it it? [06:48] *is? [06:48] cato37: uh, where's that? I'm not seeing it. [06:49] cato37: well what i was going to say is under Priviledges and Groups [06:49] in privilidges and groups, the right hand list that has all of the groups to check. the second to the last in the list is blank and it is checked, and i cannot uncheck it. [06:51] cato37: that's odd maybe its name is blank. I'd note that but try to go on and maybe it won't have an effect. [06:51] ***is a suspicious person*** [06:51] cato37: definitely weird [06:51] reboot brb [06:57] back. still same problem. [06:57] could it be because i used a cd install of kubuntu burned onto a dvd/ [06:58] ? [06:58] cato37: and i assume you added the username to the CD [06:58] yes [06:58] er... i dont know [06:58] username? [06:58] cato37: sorry, CDROM group and check the box that said use CDROM [06:58] it was already checked. [06:59] cato37: the account i mean [06:59] audio wasn't so i checked it. [07:00] cato37: well I don't know why installing off a DVD would make the difference, but maybe... [07:00] cato37: i understand why you had the impulse to make a separate admin account (like you do in Windoze), but in Kubuntu [07:01] cato37: its not really necessary, because you have the ability to run [07:01] cato37: whatever admin things you need to do in the terminal by using the command sudo or gksudo [07:02] cato37: so if end up doing install again, you might not do that this time, just since it isn't really necessary [07:02] i am going to reinstall vista tomorrow and see if it is the driver or the burner [07:02] cato37: and can complicate things sometimes [07:02] yp [07:03] how i can change time on my server using console? ... in php date(h:m:s) gives me the wrong time ?? [07:03] cato37: and anytime you need to do an admin thing [07:03] cato37: it'll just ask you for tha password and you give it and that's that [07:03] k [07:03] i need to head out. [07:03] i will try again tomorrow [07:04] cato37: also don't forget my idea for a test.... if you can boot off of a CD it tells you its not [07:04] Kubuntu but rather some kind of configuration thing [07:04] i hate the thought of installing vista and then installing kubuntu over again. but it will give some answers [07:04] cato37: have a good night and [07:04] k [07:04] i will try that first [07:04] cato37: i think you'll figure this out soon [07:04] you have a good night/day also [07:04] bbl. [07:05] cato37: bbl [07:07] theuros: i'm not sure, but if you do 'date --help' it may help you fix that. [07:12] theuros: yes, it looks like you can set the time with the command date. Try doing 'date --help' to figure it out. [07:17] theuros: there is a 'date -s, --set=STRING set time described by STRING" [07:32] I set my apache2.conf with Listen 8080 and DirectoryIndex index.html, but whenever I browse to http://localhost:8080 I get a "URL / not found". Any suggestions please? [07:36] Hi, I loaded the Kubuntu Live CD cause I wanted to copy the xorg.conf file, but I don't have it. How can I get it or create it based on the live cd's configuration? === mtb is now known as Guest76359 [07:50] does anyone here know lojban? [07:52] hello [07:53] I'm trying to share the desktop of my kubuntu machine and access it from a winxp machine, the best I got so far is using xrdp on kubuntu and RDP on xp, but the quality of the image is really bad [07:54] I also tried to use vnc, but I didn't manage to make tightvnc to work on winxp (it sas socketerror every time I try to connect to kubuntu) [07:55] does anyone know any software that I could use to see my kubuntu desktop on xp? [08:12] Taggnostr: XMing [08:12] http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming/ [08:13] ok, to interact with the current desktop? or to use the computer remotely? [08:16] avihay, I want to use my linux box remotely from my xp machine [08:21] Taggnostr: X11 does that. or vnc. [08:22] now I'm trying again with x11vnc on linux and tightvnc on xp [08:23] hi, I have a problem connecting to a VNC server on the internet, I always get "remote host closed connection" [08:23] is there anything I have to set up in my side first? [08:23] tried KRDC, xtightvncviewer === Me is now known as Guest1365 [08:30] now I managed to connect with x11vnc but it's really laggy [08:30] Taggnostr: X11 might be faster. [08:30] Taggnostr: you also should turn off stuff like wallpapers and fancy decorations [08:31] Torch, what do you mean with X11? install it on windows or what? [08:31] Taggnostr: yes. [08:31] Taggnostr: install an X11 server on windows, use it to log in to your linux machine. very common thing to do. [08:31] Taggnostr: cygwin comes with an X11 server [08:33] ok [08:34] I also heard that rdp works well from linux while accessing a windows machine (but no so well the other way around), do you know if it's true? [08:34] Taggnostr: indeed it is. [08:34] Taggnostr: rdp is microsoft's substitute for X11 [08:35] how well? I'm considering to use the linux machine as my main machine and access windows through rdp, instead of doing the other way around [08:35] Taggnostr: works very well. [08:35] Taggnostr: i had that setup for years at a client. [08:36] Taggnostr: for remote access to outlook, e.g [08:36] because so far I've been using xp w/ linux as a vm on this pc [08:36] Taggnostr: if you have a powerful windows machine anyway for other reasons, i'd suggest the rdp solution [08:36] now I got this other box, so I wanted to keep running windows on this and run linux on the other, instead of using a vm [08:37] this pc is not so powerful (amd64 2GHz w/ 2GB RAM), the other one with linux is a Pentium4 3GHz w/ 2GB RAM [08:58] Torch, running x11vnc with -noxdamage seems quite usable [09:00]