[00:00] TheSkeward: stop the networkmanager daemon process. [00:00] so [00:00] TheSkeward: I wish they didn't use the terminology 'kill' [00:00] it's the equivalent of 'end process tree' in windows? [00:00] TheSkeward: yes. [00:01] it says no process found [00:01] TheSkeward: also for your expanded info about Linux you can run the System Monitor, which is like the thingy you have in Windoze. [00:02] holstein: i'm back [00:02] TheSkeward: If i recall correctly its System->Administration->System Monitor [00:03] nothing named networkmanager or anything close is running [00:03] TheSkeward: and in there under processes you can usually (not always) manage to 'kill' processes. [00:03] TheSkeward: and that was without you running 'sudo killall NetworkManager' ? [00:03] correct. [00:04] TheSkeward: is wicd running? [00:04] no [00:04] what is wicd? [00:04] TheSkeward: it is an alternative to NetworkManager [00:04] holstein: ping [00:05] TheSkeward: they both basically do the same thing. [00:05] neither is open [00:05] running* [00:05] TheSkeward: but NetworkManager is the default program on Ubuntu. [00:05] The fact neither is running is probably why there is no wireless happening [00:06] TheSkeward: i think you may be able to restart the NetworkManager by trying... [00:07] TheSkeward: from a terminal 'sudo NetworkManager' -- tell me what it says when you try that. [00:07] command not found [00:07] phillw: hey dude you there? [00:07] oh, i take it back [00:07] it's case-sensitive [00:07] this is odd [00:07] anyone have ideas about my question? [00:08] it says networkmanager:8509):: warning, it's already running (pid 635) [00:08] TheSkeward: yeah, that is an odd one. one of the few commands i've come across that actually have mixed cases. But just so you know, Linux commands are case sensitive. [00:09] TheSkeward: do you have the little applet thingy for NetworkManager running on the top panel middle-right? [00:10] yes [00:11] TheSkeward: and when you right click on it what does it say? [00:11] enable networking and enable notifications are both checked [00:11] connection information is greyed out [00:12] and it also has edit connections and about [00:12] TheSkeward: okay that's what I figured. Does it help if you edit a connection for the wifi that you already know is there? [00:13] http://www.auburn.edu/oit/connectivity/wireless/ht_auwifi_linux.php [00:13] i have the settings shown here [00:14] KnitGal: zkriesse can probably help you with your install question. [00:14] thanks [00:14] KnitGal: whats up [00:15] TheSkeward: okay then its worth trying the killall command. I believe what will happen is that it will be automatically restarted. [00:16] i may have a partial solution . . . apparently i need to shrink the windows partition and give Ubuntu enough installation space . . . i have someone else helping me so i'll come back later if i still have problems [00:16] KnitGal: ok cool [00:16] done [00:17] TheSkeward: okay for information purposes, try starting NetworkManager again and see if it says its running already. [00:17] yes [00:17] says it's already running [00:17] TheSkeward: despite the warning it doesn't hurt anything to try to start it if its already running. [00:18] pid 8540 this time [00:18] TheSkeward: yes, so as you can guess, it restarted automatically. [00:18] mhm [00:19] TheSkeward: okay so now you might try fiddling with the applet thingy again. I don't have an Ubuntu machine in front of me at the moment so i can't remember if there is a way to tell it to scan for wifi connections. [00:19] if there is i don't see one [00:20] TheSkeward: actually i think if its working right when you mouse over it it pops up with any connections it can scan. [00:20] TheSkeward: hmmm... [00:21] when i mouse over it says no network connections [00:21] for reference, i am connected wirelessly on my roommate's laptop [00:21] so there are network connections, it just doesn't see them [00:22] TheSkeward: gotcha. well it seems that the next thing i can think of to try is that reinstalling of modemmanager that i mentioned earlier. [00:23] zkriesse: duanedesign: do you know if there a way to direct apt-get to a usb stick? [00:24] newboon2age: not that I know of why? [00:25] zkriesse: TheSkeward has a situation where they can't connect to a network but it would be handy to load a package from a USB stick. [00:25] TheSkeward: do you have an Ubuntu install CD? [00:25] newboon2age: yes [00:25] hmm [00:25] TheSkeward: okay that could come in handy. [00:26] TheSkeward: since the point where you installed ndiswrapper, have you rebooted the machine at all? [00:27] newboon2age: no [00:28] TheSkeward: okay i can think of several things to try. I guess the first is to reboot the machine and see if it 'just works' [00:29] TheSkeward: (are you trying that?) [00:30] yeah [00:30] sorry [00:30] TheSkeward: sorry meaning it didn't work, or ??? [00:31] sorry meaning sorry i didn't mention i was trying it [00:31] it's in the process of restarting now [00:31] TheSkeward: gotcha... [00:32] no luck. [00:32] still no network connections [00:32] okay second idea... TheSkeward [00:33] TheSkeward: could you please put the Ubuntu Install Disk in the CD drive and open Synaptic [00:34] kay. [00:34] alright, it's open [00:34] and the disc is in [00:35] TheSkeward: okay you'll need to add the CD to your 'Software Sources'. Unfortunately I don't have [00:35] Synaptic in front of me to direct you how to do that. zkriesse could you help me? [00:36] alright, figured it out [00:36] it's in settings/repositories [00:37] TheSkeward: cool. you check the square for 'CD blah blah Lucid' blah blah [00:37] yes [00:37] TheSkeward: and then when you close that window it will say something about things having changed i think [00:37] yeah [00:37] told me i needed to reload [00:37] so i did [00:38] TheSkeward: oh good. Now it will give you some error messages because its not connected to the internet right now [00:38] right [00:39] and can't see most of the repositories, but it should add the CD properly. Right here i should tell you [00:40] TheSkeward: that in the future (as long as you have the CD checked for Software Sources) it will give you error messages for when the CD is not in the drive. Just so you know. Its not a big deal. [00:40] gotcha [00:40] TheSkeward: so now you can 'search' for modemmanager and let's see if its there... [00:41] TheSkeward: this part of what i'm showing you is handy to know anytime you're stuck without a network connection. If its a package that's on the install disk you can still get it this way. [00:41] yeah [00:41] it's there [00:42] TheSkeward: okay for my info does it say [00:42] TheSkeward: its already installed? [00:42] yes [00:42] TheSkeward: hmm... okay well let's try reinstalling it. [00:42] TheSkeward: do you see how that's done? [00:44] no, i fon'y [00:44] TheSkeward: Its good to know how to use Synaptic because its a basic and clean way to get packages installed or removed from your system. Sometimes using apt-get can get things discombobulated, whereas its harder to with Synaptic. [00:44] don't* [00:44] TheSkeward: so check the box (maybe its a right click) and chose the 'reinstall' option. [00:45] TheSkeward: i should say the little box next to modemmanager [00:45] it doesn't allow reinstall [00:45] it allows mark for removal and mark for complete removal [00:46] TheSkeward: okay i think that means its not on the CD... hmmm... === xsaiddx is now known as kosaidpo [00:47] okay [00:47] i think i was wrong [00:47] and it is a driver problem [00:48] because I've just noticed the light on the adapter is not on [00:48] TheSkeward: tell me more... [00:48] despite it being plugged in [00:48] and previously, when I ran windows, it was on [00:48] TheSkeward: is this one of those computers that has a button for turning it on or off? [00:49] uh [00:49] if you're asking me whether my computer has a power button, then yes [00:49] TheSkeward: turning the wireless on or off? [00:50] not that i know of [00:50] but at any rate even if it does, it would be on, because it was working earlier with xp [00:51] TheSkeward: actually i don't know if Ubuntu would pick up on a button signal or not. I think there might be a software key combo on some computers, but again i don't know if ubuntu would pick up on that. Haven't experimented with that... anyway... [00:52] TheSkeward: okay, tell me about how you installed ndiswrapper. [00:54] i downloaded it as a tarball from sourceforge [00:55] and followed the readme's install instructions [00:55] TheSkewardu : oh and then did you unarchive it and then double click on it to run dpkg ? [00:55] which were basically sudo make uninstall, sudo make, sudo install [00:55] no. it was manual. [00:55] TheSkeward: hmmm.... okay [00:55] sudo make uninstall, sudo make, sudo make install* [00:56] TheSkeward: is this Ubuntu 10.04 by the way? [00:56] yeah [00:56] while you're in synaptic, could you search for networkmanager? [00:57] and tell me if it allows reinstall? (not sure if we want to do that, but i want to know which version is installed and whether the one on the CD is the same version or not) [00:58] also it would be interesting to see what synaptic says when you search for ndiswrapper, and ndiswrapper-gtk [01:00] alright [01:01] network-manager is present but not available for reinstall. ditto network-manager-gnome, ndiswrapper-common, and ndiswrapper-utils [01:01] there's also ndisgtk, which can be reinstalled [01:01] TheSkeward: ok, that's cool that ndisgtk is there. [01:02] yeah [01:02] i installed that manually also [01:02] got it as a .deb file from ubuntu.com [01:02] TheSkeward: great. i'm glad. Did you use it to install the driver? [01:02] yes [01:03] TheSkeward: that's good because it avoids some pitfalls i believe. [01:03] TheSkeward: okay, somewhere along the line did you run 'Hardware Drivers'? [01:04] uh, no, i don't know what you mean [01:04] TheSkeward: I'm not sure it will help but let's check it out anyway... so go to [01:04] TheSkeward: System->Admin->Hardware Drivers [01:05] says it's searching for available drivers [01:05] now it says no proprietary drivers are in use on this system [01:06] TheSkeward: does it say anything about your ndiswrapper driver? [01:07] TheSkeward: or anything about wireless drivers? [01:07] no [01:07] nothing [01:08] TheSkeward: grrr.. okay, then that's not going to help us. [01:08] TheSkeward: so how about running System Check? [01:09] what's it under? [01:09] TheSkeward: same as hardware driver [01:09] system testing? [01:09] or system monitor [01:10] testing [01:11] I'm going to move over to an ubuntu machine so I can do this better... [01:12] TheSkeward: okay now i'm on an ubuntu machine... [01:13] TheSkeward: you there? [01:14] yeah [01:14] TheSkeward: I just started System Testing and when it allowed me to I unchecked all the tests except networking. [01:14] and then clicked next... [01:15] alright [01:15] i'll do that. [01:15] alright [01:15] it found the ethernet controller [01:15] it noticed that i have no internet connection [01:16] TheSkeward: does it find the wireless controller also? [01:16] no [01:16] TheSkeward: what is the brand/model of the controllers? [01:17] the ethernet? [01:17] TheSkeward: does it see both? [01:17] no [01:17] i'm not even sure what a wireless controller is, or whether i have one [01:17] TheSkeward: on mine it lists them separately. [01:18] unless it's just the adapter [01:18] TheSkeward: yes, just the adapter [01:18] it does not list the adapter [01:18] hmmm... [01:18] the ethernet controller is a broadcom corp netxtreme bcm5782 gigabit ethernet (rev 03) [01:21] TheSkeward: if you tell it no that's not correct and to do the test again does it show the wireless? [01:21] no, it doesn't [01:21] although it generates a report [01:22] TheSkeward: well the report will save us a lot of time w/ manually running various commands, so that' sgood... [01:23] it's quite long [01:23] TheSkeward: okay look under lspci [01:24] what am i looking for? [01:24] TheSkeward: and see if it lists your Belkin adapter (or anything else re: wireless) [01:24] TheSkeward: is this a built-in adapter or a usb one? [01:24] no it does not [01:24] it's a usb adapter [01:25] TheSkeward: aha!!! okay that makes a big difference... [01:25] oh... sorry, if i'd known i would have told you earlier. =\ [01:25] TheSkeward: okay i need to think about this a bit... [01:26] in the terminal [01:26] when i do lsusb [01:26] bus 001 device 005: id 1799:8051 [01:26] that's the adapter [01:27] TheSkeward: It seems to me the problem could be that the system is not fully 'seeing' or maybe mounting the usb adaptor. [01:27] likewwise, when i do ndiswrapper -l, it returns [01:27] netmw245 : driver installed [01:27] device (1799:8051) present [01:28] so it knows it's there, at least to some extent [01:28] TheSkeward: but you say that lsusb sees it and ndiswrapper sees it. hmm.... [01:28] and it thinks the driver is installed [01:28] maybe i have the wrong driver? [01:28] i used the one off the belkin website [01:28] the one for xp [01:28] although there were also vista drivers for it [01:29] TheSkeward: well that's possible. but if you used the driver for that model for xp it seems to me that should be right... [01:30] hi pedro3005 [01:30] hey [01:30] thisis the thing [01:30] TheSkeward: one thing i don't know is if there should be any kind of icon that pops up under places for a usb modem [01:30] i have to change ttyS0 permissions from this [01:31] crw-rw-rw- 1 root dialout 4, 64 2010-07-05 20:46 /dev/ttyS0 [01:31] to this [01:31] crw-rw-rw- 1 root uucp 4, 64 2008-09-12 19:04 /dev/ttyS0 [01:31] TheSkeward: if it did that would tell us that the higher levels of Ubuntu were seeing the modem. [01:32] dialout ---> uucp [01:32] dont know [01:33] TheSkeward: there are some ways to 'goose' or poke a USB device that might wake it up and make sure the system is working w/ it properly... let me see if I can find them... [01:33] asterismo, why do you need to do this? [01:33] TheSkeward: are you still w/ us? [01:33] to be able to control a telescope [01:33] yes i am [01:33] TheSkeward: okay, checking... [01:33] the telescope interfase is through serialport [01:34] TheSkeward: did you just do an lsusb? [01:34] yeah [01:34] uucp is also a package [01:34] asterismo, this could help http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/suse-linux-help/67179-dev-ttys0-permissions-issue.html#post394703 [01:34] checking [01:35] TheSkeward: just for kicks can you do the mouseover thing... [01:35] "No network connection" [01:36] TheSkeward: how about ifconfig? [01:37] okay, i ran it [01:37] what am i looking for? [01:38] TheSkeward: what does it say? [01:39] TheSkeward: (i'm trying to figure out if there's switch for ifconfig we need to use or what have you) [01:39] but i cant find this filer [01:39] file [01:39] /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules [01:39] TheSkeward: okay i just ran ifconfig on my system [01:39] TheSkeward: and what i get is a listing for wlan0 [01:39] TheSkeward: do you get that? [01:40] i will just create that file withthat line anyway [01:40] but there is no line tochange because file does not exist [01:40] um [01:40] no [01:41] nothing abut wlan0 [01:41] i get a listing for 'eth0' and 'lo' [01:41] which are link encaps for Ethernat and for Local loopback [01:41] TheSkeward: okay... researching... [01:42] TheSkeward: you said Belkin N1 wireless adapter, model F5D8051, ver 2000 [01:42] that's correct [01:43] TheSkeward: i'm looking over at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/22715 [01:45] TheSkeward: on the last answer by Vijal there are some steps that might be useful [01:46] i've done the first six steps [01:46] i'll start with -m and go from there [01:47] TheSkeward: on #5, did you invoke it w/ the xxxx:xxxx number or just ndiswrapper? [01:48] TheSkeward: yes, the problem could be that it hasn't been modprobed yet. although i think ndisgtk should take care of that for you. [01:49] TheSkeward: its also possible that the correct driver has been marked 'blacklisted' in the configuration files. [01:50] just ndiswrapper [01:51] i tried iwconfig, and it said neither of the connections have wireless extensions, btw [01:51] TheSkeward: okay so if you could do it w/ the xxxx:xxxx like what Vijal says i'd like to see what it says. [01:54] i'm not sure what i need to put for in that tutorial [01:54] (If your unsure of the name, do a ndiswrapper -l and not it down) [01:57] oh [01:57] can't believe i missed that, sorry [01:58] alright, when i do that [01:58] TheSkeward: i didn't see it right off either [01:58] the -e [01:58] it shows me the available options, and -e doesn't exist [02:00] TheSkeward: hmmm... it must be an option from an earlier version of ndiswrapper... how about -l ? [02:01] -l returns a list of installed drivers [02:01] oh, nvm [02:01] i see that -e is an earlier argument that removes it [02:01] it's been replaced by -r now [02:01] i'll just do that [02:01] TheSkeward: on mine it gives the driver but not that lovely 'hardware working' message Vijal talks about... [02:02] on mine it says device present, figured that's what she meant [02:02] TheSkeward: i don't think you want to run the -r do you? [02:02] TheSkeward: doesn't that remove the driver? [02:03] TheSkeward: well it can always be reinstalled if so... [02:04] yeah [02:04] TheSkeward: so whereyat? [02:04] TheSkeward: did you remove the driver? [02:04] yes i did [02:05] i still have it on my desktop [02:05] okay, no prob [02:05] so like you say, i can reinstall it [02:05] TheSkeward: maybe that's a good thing... [02:05] TheSkeward: to reinstall it... [02:05] I'd still use ndisgtk though [02:07] TheSkeward: is that what you're doing now? I go to [02:07] okay [02:07] TheSkeward: System->Admin->Windows Wireless Drivers [02:08] i followed the next few steps of vijal's advice [02:08] TheSkeward: oh, okay and...??? [02:08] when i infconfig wlan0 up [02:08] it said error - no such device [02:09] TheSkeward: well at least that's some feedback. [02:09] TheSkeward: Try it with System->Admin->Windows Wireless Drivers [02:09] AHA [02:09] HAHAHAHAHA [02:09] PROGRESS [02:09] AWESOME [02:09] TheSkeward: yes? [02:09] i just reinstalled it in windows wireless drivers and the light on the router started blinking [02:10] YES IT JUST CONNECTED TO THE WIFI [02:10] MUAHAHAHA [02:10] TheSkeward: YES!!! [02:10] thank you so much for your help, nUboon2Age [02:10] after the first hour or so i became more and more convinced it wasn't going to work [02:10] TheSkeward: certainly... the first challenge i ever ran into [02:10] TheSkeward: w/ Linux was one of these blasted wireless configuration things. [02:11] this is my second try at running linux [02:11] the first time wireless configuration scared me away [02:11] TheSkeward: so I have a special place in my Ubuntu-loving heart for helping folks w/ their wirless probs. [02:11] i'm abouto connect on my machine [02:12] TheSkeward: yeah, check it out and make sure its working... [02:12] awesome [02:12] excellent. [02:12] thank you so much nUboon2Age. [02:13] TheSkewbuntuard: so it must have been Windows Wireless Drivers [02:13] yeah [02:13] well [02:13] TheSkewbuntuard: that did the trick [02:13] i'm actually thinking the modprobe was the necessary bit [02:13] TheSkewbuntuard: that is ndisgtk [02:13] i could be wrong [02:13] but yeah [02:13] it's done, that's the important part [02:13] TheSkewbuntuard: yeah that would make sense. [02:13] TheSkewbuntuard: now i thin [02:13] TheSkewbuntuard: think that it will have [02:14] TheSkewbuntuard: added the modprobe command to the [02:14] proper file so that it will automatically [02:14] right. that's what -m does [02:14] as i understand it, anyway [02:14] TheSkewbuntuard: come up next time you boot. [02:14] rockin' TheSkewbuntuard. Excellante. Its so much better [02:15] why the fragmented posting btw? [02:15] TheSkewbuntuard: when we can get it done on one try. [02:15] TheSkewbuntuard: wasn't sure if you were in a hurry to boogie... [02:15] oh, I see [02:15] well, kinda [02:15] TheSkewbuntuard: no prob [02:16] TheSkewbuntuard: maybe you can [02:16] TheSkewbuntuard: come back here in the future [02:16] TheSkewbuntuard: and provide help to others [02:16] I am on the uberman sleep schedule and I am late for my 8PM nap. So I will just lurk here and i'll be back in 20-30 minutes and i'll probably chill here for the rest of the night [02:16] TheSkewbuntuard: one other thing [02:16] i'm not sure i'm at a stage where I'm of much use to anyone yet, but I'll definitely help people to the best of my abilities [02:16] TheSkewbuntuard: its great to post questions and what worked to forums.ubuntu.org [02:17] TheSkewbuntuard: so others can benefit from it too... [02:17] alright, i'll do that [02:17] TheSkewbuntuard: cool, well hope things are great at Auburn (is it?) My gf is from Alabama... [02:17] back soon [02:18] yeah [02:18] auburn uni [02:18] i'm not from here [02:18] TheSkewbuntuard: have a good un [02:18] and I dislike alabama [02:18] but the college isn't bad [02:18] see you in 20 [02:18] TheSkewbuntuard: sorry for that. haven't been myself.. [02:18] TheSkewbuntuard: see ya [02:24] TheSkewbuntuard: sorry that should have been ubuntuforums.org or forums.ubuntu.com === TheSkewbuntuard is now known as TheSkeward [02:50] TheSkewbuntuard: just to clarify, ndisgtk/Windows Wireless Drivers handled the ndiswrapper and modprobe configuration and presumably also added the necessary modprobe command to the right configuration file ( /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper.conf i think) so it will auto start on next boot up. [02:53] some modules get listed in the /etc/modules file, but apparently this isn't necessary for ndiswrapper since it looks all the .conf files in the /etc/modprobe.d/ get processed upon boot up. [02:55] instead of 'it looks all' i should say 'Ubuntu looks at all' [03:02] Also I just realized that the simple way to get a package onto this machine that was not connected to web would have been to get the .deb file on another computer, transfer it using a USB pen drive, and then use doubleclick on the .deb file to auromatically run the gui package manager. [03:08] Note to self: According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseNotes , the version of 'upstart' in Karmic no longer uses the /etc/event.d/ configuration on start up,instead the /etc/init/ files are used. [03:09] (slight correction) Note to self: According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseNotes , the version of 'upstart' in Karmic no longer uses the /etc/event.d/ configuration files on start up,instead the /etc/init/ files are used. [03:18] I think he left... [04:29] st33med: yup, those notes are for me and others as much as for him. if i put them in they'll be in the log for me and others to find later... === Ex-Opesa is now known as Ex-Opesa-afk === Ex-Opesa-afk is now known as Ex-Opesa [08:14] hello DJFrog [08:15] Hello...I am brand new and exploring right now. this is really cool. [08:15] nice [08:15] * zkriesse is brand new too [08:16]