[01:45] jcastro, (or anyone) do you know if zeitgeist is an Ubuntu maintained project or an upstream project? [01:48] it's upstream [01:49] jcastro, thanks! [03:06] akgraner: But iirc, we had RainCT (an Ubuntu dev) doing some work last summer via GSoC on it [03:12] yep - I was just researching a post to figure out where it would need to go in the newsletter if there is room on Sunday [05:01] good morning folks! [05:08] morning nigelb [05:09] hola duanedesign :) [05:09] hows you doing? [05:10] nigelb: good. Watching my neighbor shoot off what remains of his fireworks [05:11] i figure someone needs to dial 911 when he blows of his dialing finger, lol [05:13] nigelb: no, but seriously, i am finishing up some work on my project 'CLIcompanion'. [05:14] heh [05:14] I'm reading up on django :) [05:14] mhall is going to give a class at dev week and I wanna be prepared [05:17] http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/okwiki/clicompanion [05:18] duanedesign: I forgot to ask you! I U1 team's oneconf application is based on something that you wrote right? [05:20] nigelb: That is a neat project huh. We have shared notes. didrocks has been super nice. His algorithm that he came up with was much better than mine [05:21] nigelb: stipple still has package sync capability. Once OneConf is in Ubuntu we will probably take that plugin out [05:23] nigelb: but 'advanced' options like syncing config files they are going to leave to apps like stipple. [05:24] duanedesign: ah, ok : [05:24] :) [05:24] some other people have developed some plug ins. The list of syncing possobilities is growing. [05:24] I hope to package the latest effort this week [05:27] awesome :) [05:48] hey nigelb [06:00] heya doctormo :) [06:00] doctormo: fireworks keeping you awake? [06:06] nigelb: If i look at myself in the webcam i can see my brain is actually asleep, I look like someone who's popped a lot of sleeping pills and drank a bunch of coffee. [06:10] doctormo: haha [07:47] morning all! [07:54] morning ara :D [07:55] good morning [07:56] morning dholbach [07:56] heya ddecator [07:57] morning ddecator, dholbach [07:57] hola ara! [07:58] how are you guys doing? :) [07:58] doing good, and yourself? :) [07:58] waiting for my coffee to be ready :) [07:59] but went for a run this morning again, which was very good [07:59] ara: ĥow's your car? [07:59] oh, coffee sounds good, but it's 3am.. [08:00] dholbach, the guy came (he didn't speak any English), he managed to turn it on, but it was useless, the battery is dead [08:00] kaputt [08:00] kaputt :/ [08:01] so he took it off, and we are going to buy a new one during the morning [08:01] gotcha, and you'll replace it and everything? [08:02] dholbach, yes, it does not seem difficult to do [08:02] * nigelb waves to ara and dholbach :) [08:02] hey nigelb [08:02] yeah - I was just wondering if the insurance/replacement guy was going to do it [08:03] I'm sure you'll manage just fine :) [08:03] kim0: heya! Nice to see you too :) [08:03] heya nigelb [08:03] nigelb, Thanks man .. nice to see you too :) [08:03] w00t to new people! [08:07] kim0: how is the job treatin' yah? [08:07] ddecator, hehe day 2 commencing [08:07] looking good so far :) [08:08] kim0: good luck, i'm sure things will go great :) [08:08] The team is awesome .. :D [08:08] ddecator, Thanks man [08:09] kim0: its an action packed team ;) [08:09] hehe Yep [09:06] Aloha [09:39] good morning [09:39] oi randa_! [09:39] oi dholbach [09:39] randa_: do you want me to send that mail on to ubuntu-soc@? [09:50] randa_: thanks for passing on that mail [09:50] mailed everybody [09:52] qense: you have national holiday today? ;) [09:54] ara: where are you going to watch the game tomorrow? :-P [09:54] dholbach, we don't know yet, what are your plans? [09:54] you should all sit together and watch with a neutral person to stop you from killing each other [09:55] I didn't make plans yet either - not sure if it'll be warm enough for the Biergarten tomorrow evening - if it is, I'd go to Burg am See - it's a big and nice Biergarten a the canal [09:55] nigelb: No, not really. It's more that the summer holiday is starting next week and therefore there is no school this week apart from a sports day and the year closure. [09:56] qense: aha, so big screen in school again? [09:56] big screen? [09:56] wasn't it you that had a big screen or tv in school and everyone watching it? [09:56] * nigelb thinks it was you since all I remember was lots of orange color [09:57] nigelb: That was during the first Dutch game of the World Cup, yes. :) [09:57] but not now [09:57] aw [09:57] Now everyone will watch at home. [09:57] not as much fun [09:57] qense: you're still at school [09:57] ? [09:58] czajkowski: As in: You're still attending school? or in "You're at school today?" [09:58] ? [09:58] I am attending secondary school, yes. But I am at home now. [09:58] one more year before uni [09:59] He is very young though not apparent if you don't know about it ;) [09:59] I'm 17 already! :P [09:59] I'm a big boy now! [09:59] qense: today? it's summer [10:00] yeah, but officially the summer holidays haven't started yet here. [10:00] Although that doesn't mean we do anything. [10:00] next month is autumn [10:00] What weird country do you live in? :P [10:01] LOL [10:01] qense: better run :p [10:02] may june july = summer [10:02] May is still spring! [10:03] We'll be heading to England during the holidays in August. I hope it won't be too much Autumn there already. :D [10:04] yay! After a month of feeling and talking the negotiations between the four parties that could form a coalition have started today! The British were already concerned when it took three days and two parties to get a government. Hah! [10:04] I'm not a great fan of coalitions though we have them here in plenty [10:05] The elections saw 21 parties participating in the fight over 150 seats. [10:05] Not everyone got in, though. [10:05] Just about 11 I think. [10:05] or 10 [10:05] They tend to be very vulnerable to pressure from parties in the coalition. [10:06] in Germany there's a limit of 5% your party needs to get [10:06] We don't have such a thing, although people are increasingly calling for that limit. [10:06] or else, you lose all your seats? [10:07] The conservative-neoliberal-populist party won of the labour party with one seat difference. If the limit would have been in place some small part probably wouldn't have made it and the labour party would have won. [10:07] anyway, I'm off to the dentist [10:07] if I'm not back soon, pray for me [10:07] have fun! [10:07] * nigelb hugs dholbach [10:08] Any visit to the dentist requires prayers. They are the people who are legally sadists :/ [10:11] dholbach: *hugs* [10:18] nigelb: http://twitpic.com/20pxo0 :) [10:18] ^ me in the dentist chair :) [10:18] The sunglasses! [10:18] * czajkowski fears the dentist [10:18] I used to, now I don't [10:19] have bitten two dentists fingers in the past.. by accident [10:19] I don't know why people are so afraid of the dentists. Is it the pain? [10:19] yow [10:19] What pain? [10:19] That sure must have hurt the dentists! [10:19] the noise of the macines [10:19] in the past in the UK at least many dentists were quite butchers [10:19] the whiiizzzz whizzzzzzz [10:19] which is one reason why many people in the UK have a fear of going [10:19] and there is pain if you're having root canal work,and they dont give you sufficient drugs [10:19] <- had this [10:20] That explains. [10:20] i found a cool place which deals with kids and nervous patients, and they put a pair of ear phones on yo and eye trecks so you watch a movie and cannot hear the noise [10:20] (which might explain why people outside the UK [including the USA] perceive UK people as having bad teeth) [10:20] no idea why they always ask you questions when your mouth is open and you cant talk [10:20] hah [10:21] my dentist told me that one patient was answering her questions via text [10:21] from in the chair in front of her [10:22] I go a dentist who's a family friend. We talk more than he works on my teeth ;) [10:22] :) [10:22] popey: you look way too cool, you were on morphine? ;) [10:23] nope [10:24] * nigelb thinks something higher :D [11:36] vish: what category do you think it should come? [11:36] err, lernid [11:37] nigelb: education seems appropriate , maybe internet too .. cjohnston thoughts? [11:37] this is in software center or otherwise? [11:37] ugh, lots of mistakes today [11:37] software center or after installation? [11:37] nigelb: in SC [11:39] nigelb: you involved with SC too? [11:39] i mean lernid! [11:40] vish: nope, if its easy, I thought I'll just tell you how to fix ;) [11:40] heh [11:40] nigelb: why not you fix it? :D [11:41] vish: laptop borked, no gpg key :( [11:42] nigelb: new gpg key ? ;) [11:42] nah, I alreday have 4 out there out of which I use 1 :/ === jussi is now known as Guest7125 [12:04] popey: WORD (re: the butcher comment) [12:04] :) [12:05] Morning popey [12:05] popey: I didn't go for years and the new dentist asked me "did you have any traumatic experiences?", I said "no" - it took me like 2 weeks to realise what a butcher the old dentist had been - I must have repressed those memories :-)) [12:06] heh [12:07] but this one I'm quite happy with, so it's all good [12:16] sigh === jussi01 is now known as jussi [12:48] czajkowski: long delayed pong (I was out of town on vacation) [12:49] thanks for the bday wish, nhandler! [12:49] greg-g: any idea when being able to search by CC in google over this side of the water? [12:51] czajkowski: never >:D [12:51] czajkowski: hey there [12:52] czajkowski: google doesn't give you the option under advanced search? [12:52] czajkowski: you can always go to search.creativecommons.org and use that [12:52] greg-g: do you work at google? [12:52] paultag: no [12:52] well shucks. Why is czajkowski asking you? [12:53] I'm a fellow at Creative Commons, though :) [12:53] Ahha! [12:53] that would make sense :) [12:53] :) [12:54] * greg-g goes to get ready for the day [12:57] Hey paultag [12:57] On my way to FOSSED later today [12:57] doctormo: heyya! [12:57] doctormo: I thought it was 7th - 9 [12:57] nvmd [12:57] google says I'm wrong [12:57] doctormo: that should be a blast [12:58] paultag: Yea my ride leaves today, afternoon [12:58] doctormo: killer. Maine, yeah? [12:58] paultag: So about xsdvalidate, I need somebody to have a quick peer review of it, but no one will. would you? [12:58] Maine yes, [12:58] Oh yes, duh [12:59] doctormo: let me pull again and go through the code. It's been on my queue [12:59] doctormo: sec. [12:59] paultag: greg-g is Mr. CC :) [12:59] czajkowski: :) [13:00] greg-g: tried searching under CC in google and it just wont work, eventually flicked to flicker and that solved the issie [13:00] paultag: I've a bad mental image of you thanks to popey [13:00] czajkowski: oh what the hell, why> [13:00] :) [13:00] greg-g: If you can convince deviantArt to allow searching by Creative Commons license, that'd be great.... [13:00] Though you may have to be a god for that. [13:01] We've been posting to artists who put their works under CC-BY-NC-ND and then put in their comments "Your not allowed to redistribute this work" heh. [13:01] Trying to educate a few of them at least. [13:01] doctormo: you might want to strip lib/ you have a few pyc files in the bzr tree [13:02] shouldn't be any pyc files [13:02] doctormo: xsdvalidate/lib/xsdvalidate [13:02] doctormo: find . -type f | grep pyc [13:02] Oh wait, unless those are mine [13:02] paultag: Was this after installation? [13:03] no doctormo [13:03] czajkowski: what did popey say, out with it [13:03] doctormo: I'm wrong, it's because I ran the tests [13:03] doctormo: you're fine. Back to work. [13:04] Thanks paultag [13:05] doctormo: I like the BASE_CLASSES voodoo you are doing. Are you applying those regexps to every item and "tagging" it with valid types or what? [13:05] Oh no wait [13:06] paultag: go read your email [13:06] Oh lawwwwwdy [13:07] hey doctormo, for your error messages [13:08] doctormo: can you have more then one error? ( e.g. Invalid Node Type / Critical Problem ) or something like that? [13:09] doctormo: because if you do, you should consider a bitmask. You are already using hex values for the "code", should be an easy change [13:09] paultag: Certainly each enough to do. [13:10] But masking is only useful if multiple errors are being collated, at the moment it just returns. [13:11] doctormo: Right, but is that a function of your code, or the SAX parser? [13:11] doctormo: test 05 -- IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '../data/file3.xml' [13:11] paultag: Fixed in rev 8, please pull [13:11] doctormo: A part of the code to deal with validation. [13:11] doctormo: test 5 passes [13:12] all your tests pass doctormo [13:13] Great [13:13] doctormo: nothing jumps out as errorfull, the code looks in order, although I did not go through it line by line, it has no hacks. Well formated, lots of comments, and your tests pass [13:13] A few more tests and I'll call it good. [13:13] doctormo: good stuff. Don't forget really crappy non-standard data, and check that errors are thrown. Need to make sure it fails as well as works [13:14] paultag: Does the array in array AND/OR flipping logic make sense? [13:14] doctormo: going to have to give me a line number. I did not see voodoo, but let me take a look [13:14] I'm not sure I know how to handle those kinds of tests yet. [13:15] doctormo: you can have a try: except: and set a value in except [13:15] doctormo: if it's non NoneType you are OK, else it's an error no error was thrown [13:15] 04-test-complex.py has a passing data structure, look at it, you'll see it has two articles, one with a title and the other with a name and an author. [13:16] doctormo: OK. Sec. [13:16] TITLE OR (NAME AND AUTHOR) is the logic and it's done via the use of arrays. [13:18] doctormo: I see the bit of your JSON, but where's the logic? [13:19] paultag: It's so voodoo you can't see it :-D http://paste.ubuntu.com/459800/ [13:19] I see that doctormo [13:19] doctormo: that is correct syntax [13:19] doctormo: but what am I looking for? [14:21] vish: have people really been saying that we hide papercut fixes from upstream? The reception of papercut contributions has been pretty positive from what I've seen from upstreams [14:22] jcastro: well , its been often a comment on david's post [14:22] ok [14:22] so just mentioned it .. [14:22] if you ever see that again poke me [14:22] I can help demyth that too [14:23] neat! sure.. [14:25] JFo: welcome back! [14:26] thanks jcastro :) [14:28] hey jcastro [14:28] hey JFo [14:28] hey vish :) [14:28] heya dholbach :) [14:28] dholbach: hey :) [14:28] jcastro: got my mail? seems like lp release is thursday [14:30] ? no, all I got was your own about dev week [14:31] jcastro: you're avoiding me! [14:31] dholbach: I got the one Daily Builds - before (beta) release [14:31] but it doesn't mention thursday [14:31] oh, no you replied to it [14:31] I responded! (and the only one to respond!) [14:31] :) [14:31] * dholbach hugs jcastro [14:31] is that the mail you mean? [14:31] yeah, sorry [14:31] mrevell said Thursday [14:32] well, I think it's fine [14:32] those debs I submitted on thursday still weren't built [14:32] jml should probably know [14:33] ah, Failed to Build, 18 minutes ago [14:34] ha, mine 37 seconds ago [14:34] cle [14:34] james_w: you there? [14:34] You have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID, and you must do this to [14:34] write to Launchpad or access private data. See "bzr help launchpad-login". [14:34] You have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID, and you must do this to [14:34] write to Launchpad or access private data. See "bzr help launchpad-login". [14:34] bzr: ERROR: deb-version not fully expanded: {revno:packaging}+6785 [14:34] RUN: /usr/share/launchpad-buildd/slavebin/scan-for-processes ['/usr/share/launchpad-buildd/slavebin/scan-for-processes', 'bb82bbcdd55bf0918bd41a39fb25222ff03c119b'] [14:34] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51461781/buildlog.txt.gz [14:34] Oh shucks. Sorry guys :) [14:34] well, I used "merge" in my recipe [14:34] which I think was wrong [14:35] james_w: ^ is this my problem? [14:35] czajkowski: Do you have material for explaining a LoCo why it needs to be open? There are still people convinced that opening up the team might not be a smart idea. They see the team a bit as a management, which can benefit from being closed. It is not that there is a majority opposed to opening up, it is just that there is a large group of people that don't understand why we should be open. [14:35] and it doesn't appear to accept "nest" [14:35] jcastro: I used it, I think [14:35] czajkowski: or rather: why being open is such an important thing [14:35] czajkowski: Do you have material for explaining that? [14:35] qense: RE your loco? [14:35] jcastro: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/+recipe/dholbach-trunk [14:36] paultag: yes [14:36] qense: Did you show off the best practices document? [14:37] paultag: I took a look at it a while ago. But the problem is more that not everyone seems to understand what being an open source project is. They don't feel at ease with being open. It's like they feel they're running a kind of fanforum, with closed management. [14:38] dholbach: "geditpackaging" in your recipe should be "packaging" to match the "packaging" in your version number template. [14:38] aha! [14:38] qense: you should point how how the Ubuntu team propper runs [14:38] dholbach: please file a bug against bzr-builder about making the error message more useful with any suggestions you have along those lines. [14:38] james_w: I thought it was just any name [14:38] paultag: We could show that, but the problem is that not everyone seems to understand the why, the ideology, the philosophy behind it. [14:38] qense: and if we were closed off how hard it would be to run the project [14:38] james_w: I'll try to improve the docs about that one [14:39] qense: Well, shucks. Why do they use F/OSS ? [14:39] paultag: Because they like Ubuntu. [14:39] qense: Right, and why do they like it? Because it's stable? Clean? Well designed? [14:39] paultag: because they think it is a good piece of software [14:39] and because it is free [14:40] qense: That's all because the community allows for new ideas and review of old ones. How you you improve a design if you can't get to what's already there [14:40] qense: simalarly, how can you work with the team, if you can not get to the core of the team [14:40] thanks james_w [14:40] That is what I have been trying to communicate, but I have been unable to get through to them. [14:40] qense: :/ [14:40] It's not that they don't want to, it is just that they don't grasp the philosophy behind open source. [14:41] not all, that is [14:41] some do [14:41] qense: there isn't really. [14:41] It are mostly the moderators that don't. [14:41] qense: maybe that is something the LC can look into [14:41] for sure czajkowski [14:41] but the very idea of a closed locked loco is not at all what I'd like to see [14:41] qense: would you mind us poking in? This is sounding nasty [14:41] czajkowski: I'm with you [14:41] paultag: What would you consider poking in? [14:42] What would you be doing? [14:42] I personally would be very happy with some help, but I don't run the LoCo and I'm not sure what others would feel. [14:42] qense: Sending a thoughtful message to the team ensuring that they know the expectations we have as a community [14:42] qense: it's not about that [14:42] ok [14:43] good [14:43] james_w: bug 602266 - thanks again [14:43] Launchpad bug 602266 in bzr-builder "Please make error message more useful (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602266 [14:43] I guess that's not worth adding to "known limitations" :) [14:43] paultag: Such a message would be very helpful, but to who would you be sending it? [14:43] qense: the mailing list, team, I think [14:43] paultag: Mind that a lot of people don't read the mailing list. [14:44] I could place it on the forum once you've sent it tot he mailing list, though. [14:44] qense: perhaps it should come from the LC/CC [14:44] qense: then we do what we need to do to start some chatter over it. [14:44] qense: we will kick of discussion on it [14:44] I don't think I'll be leaving my AC'ed bedroom [14:44] sounds good [14:45] OK, BBL [14:45] time to get the teeth worked on [14:45] later, gaters [14:45] paultag, czajkowski: thanks for your help! [14:46] Is everyone going to the dentist today, or what? [14:46] * dholbach ^5s paultag [14:51] * popey gets the drills out [14:52] http://bit.ly/9BVsR5 should do it [15:04] popey: Did you have a good morning then? [15:05] yes and no [15:06] I managed to break the mail for many LUGs in the UK today [15:07] Good morning [15:07] popey: well done [15:07] popey: terrorist! [15:08] * popey blames debian :) [15:18] today is the day that Marty McFly arrives from 1985 after hitting 88mph in a pimped out Delorean, keep your eyes open! [15:18] debian mailing lists are odd! [15:20] http://www.totalfilm.com/news/back-to-the-future-hoax-we-confess [15:38] hey all [15:38] buenas mornings [15:39] hola jono [15:42] jcastro, lol [15:42] jcastro, god 4th july? [15:42] good, rather [15:42] yeah [15:42] sweet [15:42] ask me why I am so happy! [15:47] kim0, call in 14? [15:48] Yes [15:50] :) [15:51] oh man I totally forgot, welcome kim0!!! [15:51] jcastro, lol .. Hi man [15:51] jcastro, very nice meeting you [15:51] \o/ [15:52] jono: ask me why I am so happy! [15:52] jcastro, jono: http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2010/07/chwyty-gitarowe-flaw-polish.html :) [15:53] Alien playing guitar [15:53] jcastro, can I ask why u're so happy [15:53] omg, thanks for asking! [15:54] hehe [15:54] yeah so I got tickets to Megadeth/Slayer/Testament, and I am so happy because they cancelled in the spring [15:54] jcastro, happy? [15:54] and are coming back in the fall to make up for it [15:54] fuck [15:54] I mean, wow [15:54] and I got some seriously awesome seats [15:54] forgot I was in a public channel for a sec [15:54] jcastro, congrats :) [15:54] jcastro, that will be awesome, dude [15:55] kim0: this is all we talk about every day [15:55] (just kidding) [15:55] hehe :D [15:55] jcastro, man, we had a a rehearsal a week ago and it turned out that Testament were in the the same building playing [15:55] not kidding [15:55]