| robert_ancell | TheMuso, can you sponsor yelp? | 07:07 |
|---|---|---|
| pitti | Good morning | 07:11 |
| huats | morning pitti | 07:11 |
| RAOF | Aloha pitti! | 07:12 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: sure | 07:16 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: uploaded. | 07:33 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, thanks | 07:34 |
| TheMuso | np | 07:34 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, hey, why is it important to be able to change the keyboard layout from the greeter? Is this the layout for the session or the greeter? | 07:36 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: for both | 07:36 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: well, we got along without this feature in the old gdm | 07:36 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, so why not change the layout when in the session? | 07:36 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: how do you type your password then? | 07:36 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, there's two features here, the ability to change the greeter keyboard layout (required) and the user layout (possibly not required?) | 07:37 |
| pitti | it's certainly not the most important feature ever, but I learned to like it (my wife uses DE layout, I'm using US) | 07:37 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, can't gnome-session set the layout on login? | 07:37 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: g-session can set it according to the user's gconf settings, yes | 07:38 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: well, it's gnome-settings-daemon, but all the same | 07:38 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: I'll answer your mail, but I have to read the gdm source for answers | 07:40 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, ok, np. | 07:40 |
| * pitti -> doctor appointment, bbl | 07:44 | |
| seb128 | hey there | 09:20 |
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| RAOF | Hey, ho! | 09:23 |
| seb128 | hey RAOF, how are you? | 09:23 |
| baptistemm | ola | 09:23 |
| seb128 | lut baptistemm | 09:23 |
| RAOF | Pretty good, pretty good. | 09:24 |
| baptistemm | salut seb128 | 09:24 |
| RAOF | Got me some tea, got me some biscuits, and I got me the i965 programming manual. Excellent bedtime reading! | 09:24 |
| seb128 | hehe | 09:25 |
| seb128 | quick session restart and I should be set for the morning updates | 09:27 |
| seb128 | re | 09:28 |
| seb128 | dear update-manager stop triggering apport when closing authentification dialogs | 09:28 |
| mvo | seb128: hm? | 09:29 |
| seb128 | hey mvo | 09:29 |
| seb128 | mvo, on maverick run update-manager, click "check" and hit "esc" on your keyboard | 09:30 |
| seb128 | "DBusException: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.Error.NotAuthorized" | 09:30 |
| mvo | aha | 09:30 |
| mvo | seb128: trivial fix, hold on | 09:30 |
| seb128 | mvo, ;-) | 09:31 |
| seb128 | mvo, I had the feeling you would say something like that ;-) | 09:31 |
| mvo | hm, maybe not ;) | 09:31 |
| seb128 | lol | 09:31 |
| seb128 | do you want a bug on launchpad about it? | 09:32 |
| mvo | it should already be caught, but for some reason that is not working | 09:32 |
| mvo | odd | 09:32 |
| mvo | seb128: let me look at it a little bit more | 09:33 |
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| rickspencer3 | hi all | 09:46 |
| seb128 | hey rickspencer3 | 09:47 |
| pitti | good morning rickspencer3 | 09:51 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 09:51 |
| rickspencer3 | hi pitti | 09:51 |
| * seb128 kicks update-manager | 09:52 | |
| mvo | seb128: bad mood today ;) | 09:52 |
| seb128 | "this action will require installing packages from a non authentificated source" | 09:53 |
| seb128 | then it sends me back to the summary screen without letting me a chance to say that's ok | 09:53 |
| seb128 | mvo, heh, no, just no making friends with some softwares, sorry it's yours ;-) | 09:54 |
| seb128 | I just have the firefox security ppa configured, it's not a reason to refuse to do any upgrade :p | 09:54 |
| mvo | seb128: sounds like two new bugs for me then | 09:57 |
| seb128 | mvo, I'm sorry, I'm sure you already have enough of those | 09:57 |
| * seb128 hugs mvo | 09:57 | |
| mvo | seb128: please add them to LP and target for the next alpha | 09:57 |
| seb128 | I'm pretty sure I added the mozilla ppa the official way, ie using software-properties | 09:58 |
| mvo | seb128: oh? | 09:58 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering why it thinks it's not authentificated | 09:58 |
| mvo | seb128: could you please check /var/lib/apt/lists then ? for *.gpg ? | 09:58 |
| mvo | it should still support a override | 09:58 |
| seb128 | $ ls /var/lib/apt/lists/*gpg | 09:58 |
| seb128 | /var/lib/apt/lists/ddebs.ubuntu.com_dists_maverick_Release.gpg | 09:58 |
| mvo | not much | 09:58 |
| seb128 | $ ls /var/lib/apt/lists/*gpg | wc -l | 09:59 |
| seb128 | 8 | 09:59 |
| seb128 | after an apt-get update | 09:59 |
| seb128 | go figure | 09:59 |
| seb128 | /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_ubuntu-mozilla-security_ppa_ubuntu_dists_lucid_Release.gpg | 09:59 |
| seb128 | it's there now | 09:59 |
| seb128 | mvo, ok, my fault | 10:00 |
| seb128 | mvo, I did cancel the "check" action from update-manager to see how that was handled | 10:00 |
| seb128 | which wiped the gpg files apparently | 10:00 |
| seb128 | I just tried again | 10:00 |
| seb128 | $ ls /var/lib/apt/lists/*gpg | 10:00 |
| seb128 | $ | 10:00 |
| mvo | woah, now they are all gone? | 10:01 |
| mvo | anything in partial? | 10:01 |
| seb128 | $ ls /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ | 10:01 |
| seb128 | archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_lucid-proposed_Release.gpg | 10:01 |
| seb128 | archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-i386_Packages | 10:01 |
| seb128 | mvo, ^ | 10:02 |
| seb128 | hum | 10:02 |
| seb128 | sorry I was in another state | 10:02 |
| seb128 | so yeah, I've a mix of things in the directory and in partial | 10:02 |
| seb128 | I've those in partial now | 10:03 |
| seb128 | ddebs.ubuntu.com_dists_maverick_Release.gpg | 10:03 |
| seb128 | ppa.launchpad.net_software-store-developers_ppa_ubuntu_dists_lucid_Release.gpg | 10:03 |
| seb128 | ppa.launchpad.net_ubuntu-mozilla-security_ppa_ubuntu_dists_lucid_Release.gpg | 10:03 |
| seb128 | and none in /var/lib/apt/lists | 10:03 |
| seb128 | mvo, anyway I will open a bug about the issue when you have an unauthentified source that can still happen and is a bug | 10:03 |
| seb128 | the "cancel update-manager update" issue is getting what I deserved for trying to break the software :p | 10:04 |
| mvo | seb128: thanks | 10:04 |
| mvo | seb128: well, that is still a bug :/ | 10:04 |
| mvo | seb128: the other one | 10:04 |
| mvo | seb128: it should revert cleanly | 10:04 |
| seb128 | right | 10:04 |
| seb128 | also it displays "check your internet" on cancel | 10:04 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i'll try not to upload too many big packages today ;) | 10:38 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, thanks ;-) | 10:38 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 10:38 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i'm good thanks, how are you? | 10:38 |
| seb128 | I'm fine thank you | 10:38 |
| chrisccoulson | i got the firefox uploads done overnight, so they should be finished soon hopefully | 10:39 |
| qense | Apparently GCalctool is already using GSettings, which is unavailable still: bug #602175 | 10:43 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 602175 in gcalctool (Ubuntu) "gcalctool crashed with signal 5 in g_object_newv() (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602175 | 10:43 |
| seb128 | I got the updated version for lucid this morning | 10:43 |
| seb128 | qense, how unavailable? | 10:43 |
| seb128 | qense, it's in glib 2.25 | 10:43 |
| qense | seb128: Oh, then it is a packaging mistake since it can't file the scheme. | 10:43 |
| seb128 | what scheme? | 10:44 |
| qense | "GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.gcalctool' is not installed" | 10:44 |
| qense | It never starts. | 10:44 |
| seb128 | do you have libglib2.0-bin installed? | 10:44 |
| qense | yes I have | 10:45 |
| seb128 | ls /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas | 10:45 |
| qense | gschema.dtd org.gnome.gcalctool.gschema.xml | 10:45 |
| seb128 | seems the trigger didn't work for you for some reason | 10:45 |
| qense | strange | 10:46 |
| qense | seb128: can you confirm the issue yourself? Please note that it wasn't me who reported bug #602175 | 10:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 602175 in gcalctool (Ubuntu) "gcalctool crashed with signal 5 in g_object_newv() (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602175 | 10:46 |
| seb128 | qense, sudo glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas | 10:46 |
| seb128 | qense, no, I've a gschemas.compiled there and it starts | 10:47 |
| seb128 | see /var/lib/dpkg/info/libglib2.0-bin.postinst | 10:47 |
| qense | I can run gcalctool now indeed. | 10:47 |
| seb128 | not sure why the trigger didn't work for you | 10:48 |
| seb128 | I didn't do that upgrade so I didn't tweak locally | 10:48 |
| qense | "glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas || true" is in there | 10:48 |
| seb128 | the trigger worked for me | 10:48 |
| qense | weird | 10:48 |
| seb128 | I will try on another box | 10:48 |
| qense | ok | 10:48 |
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| chrisccoulson | hmmm, weird. i've been trying to figure out why xulrunner applications on karmic load the oldest GRE on the system, but on all other ubuntu releases they are loading the newest GRE | 11:18 |
| chrisccoulson | and it's because readdir() behaves differently :-/ | 11:18 |
| chrisccoulson | and returns files in a different order | 11:18 |
| chrisccoulson | strange | 11:18 |
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| seb128 | mvo, is there a way to see what triggers got triggered during and update-manager installation | 12:22 |
| mvo | seb128: /var/log/apt/term.log should show you that | 12:23 |
| seb128 | mvo, thanks | 12:24 |
| seb128 | mvo, do you use maverick? did you upgrade today yet? | 12:24 |
| seb128 | weird, the log suggests it didn't trigger but it works when doing a dpkg -i from the deb | 12:31 |
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| mvo | seb128: I use maverick, but haven't upgraded today | 12:38 |
| mvo | seb128: what trigger is that? | 12:38 |
| seb128 | mvo, the gcalctool update should trigger libglib2.0-bin | 12:39 |
| seb128 | it installs a schemas in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas | 12:39 |
| mvo | seb128: ok, let me try to reproduce | 12:39 |
| seb128 | mvo, we got several bugs from users where the new version crash because the trigger doesn't run | 12:39 |
| seb128 | and I can confirm it didn't work on one of my box | 12:40 |
| seb128 | but it did in my laptop | 12:40 |
| seb128 | mvo, thanks | 12:40 |
| mvo | seb128: could it be a ordering problem? gcalctool gets installed before the new libglib2.0-bin with the trigger? | 12:42 |
| mvo | (assuming the trigger is something new) | 12:42 |
| mvo | or not strict dependency and libglib2.0-bin stays at a older version | 12:42 |
| tseliot | seb128: Robert's last upload of nautilus re-enabled the patch and bug #508890 is back | 12:43 |
| seb128 | mvo, no | 12:43 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 508890 in nautilus (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "Nautilus crashes when there are multiple XScreens (affects: 31) (dups: 8) (heat: 215)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/508890 | 12:43 |
| tseliot | bratsche: ^^ | 12:43 |
| seb128 | tseliot, I did re-enable that early in the cycle yes | 12:43 |
| mvo | seb128: just tried it, libglib2.0-bin is triggered for me | 12:43 |
| seb128 | tseliot, read the changelog? | 12:43 |
| tseliot | seb128: it wasn't a question | 12:43 |
| seb128 | tseliot, well we know about it yes | 12:43 |
| tseliot | I found that out in the changelog | 12:43 |
| seb128 | mvo, :-( | 12:44 |
| tseliot | seb128: I hope there are plans to fix it | 12:44 |
| seb128 | tseliot, you are welcome to send a patch if you have one | 12:45 |
| seb128 | tseliot, as with any bug we would like to fix it yes but we have limited ressources and high number of bugs | 12:45 |
| seb128 | tseliot, I'm not sure what is the purpose of this discussion... | 12:45 |
| seb128 | we have 18 bugs open with the gtk-csd tag right now | 12:46 |
| seb128 | we do intend to fix those at the best of our capacity | 12:46 |
| tseliot | seb128: I might look into the issue but I'm pretty busy with other work. we'll see | 12:46 |
| qense | mvo: It's not an ordering problem. I was having the bug after I received an updated for gcalctool, but libglib2.0-bin was already installed and up-to-date. | 12:46 |
| seb128 | tseliot, thanks | 12:46 |
| * tseliot -> lunch | 12:46 | |
| mvo | qense: thanks | 12:47 |
| seb128 | tseliot, but if the question was "why did we renable it" it's because we enabled rgba in gtk and that's needed to have nautilus tow ork | 12:47 |
| qense | mvo: bug numer is bug #602175 | 12:47 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 602175 in gcalctool (Ubuntu) "glib-compile-schemas trigger not run after installation GCalctool (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602175 | 12:48 |
| seb128 | mvo, same on my mini which had the bug, libglib2.0-bin was upgraded on jun 25 | 12:48 |
| mvo | seb128, qense: could you attach the term.log please? | 12:49 |
| mvo | or the releavent bits of it | 12:49 |
| seb128 | what would be revelant? | 12:49 |
| qense | ok | 12:49 |
| seb128 | I see gcalctool being configured with a bunch of other binaries | 12:49 |
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| seb128 | then some triggers are run but not the libglib2.0-bin one | 12:50 |
| seb128 | but there is no error nor anything | 12:50 |
| qense | same here | 12:50 |
| qense | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/459788/ | 12:51 |
| qense | mvo: ^ | 12:52 |
| qense | DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --disable-scrollkeeper --disable-schemas-compile | 12:53 |
| qense | That is in the rules file | 12:53 |
| qense | mvo, seb128: Would the last flag prevent compiling the schemas? | 12:54 |
| mvo | qense: interessting, I wonder if that is reproducable with "5.31.3-0ubuntu1" to the current version | 12:54 |
| mvo | i.e. if downgrade (or remove) and then upgrade triggers it again | 12:54 |
| mvo | (or not :) | 12:54 |
| qense | I already ran the compile command manually. | 12:54 |
| qense | not sure if that would interfere. | 12:55 |
| seb128 | qense, no, the rules is used a build time | 12:56 |
| seb128 | it's to say to not compile the schemas when building the deb | 12:56 |
| qense | ok | 12:56 |
| seb128 | the compilation is made at installation time by the trigger | 12:56 |
| qense | seb128: and the trigger should be automatically triggered when a file is placed in a directory, and the script watching that is not in this package, rigth? | 12:56 |
| seb128 | mvo, let me try, the trigger is triggered when doing a dpkg -i or apt-get install --reinstall of the deb | 12:56 |
| seb128 | qense, correct | 12:57 |
| qense | mvo: I'm now downloading 5.31.3-0ubuntu1 and will see what happens. | 12:57 |
| seb128 | mvo, I'm wondering if that's due to what Josselin wrote in the debian bug | 12:57 |
| seb128 | hum, forgot that | 12:57 |
| seb128 | debian bug #587661 | 12:57 |
| ubot2 | Debian bug 587661 in glib2.0 "should install glib-compile-schemas in libglib2.0-bin" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/587661 | 12:57 |
| seb128 | "Note that the syntax for the trigger is incorrect since several triggers | 12:58 |
| seb128 | can be passed at once, separated by spaces but all in $2 (which is not | 12:58 |
| seb128 | very intuitive)." | 12:58 |
| seb128 | 12:58 | |
| seb128 | but that's the issue there, the log suggests it didn't trigger at all | 12:58 |
| qense | Otherwise we'd have gotten an error message? | 12:58 |
| seb128 | no | 12:58 |
| qense | ok | 12:58 |
| qense | What about "Another comment, just so that it’s not forgotten: I haven’t checked | 12:59 |
| qense | where compiled schemas are put when glib-compile-schemas is run, but | 12:59 |
| qense | they should be purged in the postrm." | 12:59 |
| mvo | seb128: you mean "Note that the syntax for the trigger is incorrect since several triggers" ? | 12:59 |
| seb128 | mvo, right, cf what I wrote just before | 12:59 |
| mvo | seb128: that does sound likely actually | 12:59 |
| mvo | seb128: yeah, we pasted at about the same moment :) | 12:59 |
| seb128 | mvo, well we would still have a "trigger libglib2.0-bin" in the log no? | 12:59 |
| seb128 | but the trigger would not what it should? | 13:00 |
| seb128 | would not *do* | 13:00 |
| qense | I do have a trigger for the thing when downgrading! | 13:00 |
| qense | Processing triggers for libglib2.0-bin ... | 13:00 |
| qense | No schema files found | 13:00 |
| qense | and now too when updating | 13:01 |
| qense | Processing triggers for libglib2.0-bin ... | 13:01 |
| qense | seb128: Could it be related to installation of multiple updates/packages at once? | 13:01 |
| seb128 | yes | 13:02 |
| seb128 | it could | 13:02 |
| qense | upgrading gcalctool and installing another package at the same time doesn't trigger the bug | 13:03 |
| qense | (it does trigger the trigger) | 13:03 |
| seb128 | did you try installing a package using the gio trigger? | 13:04 |
| seb128 | which is the other glib trigger | 13:04 |
| seb128 | ie gvfs | 13:04 |
| qense | There was a gvfs update, iirc. | 13:05 |
| seb128 | there was yes | 13:05 |
| seb128 | I did backport a patch yesterday | 13:05 |
| qense | confirmed from my log file there was a gvfs update being installed while I updated gcalctool | 13:05 |
| qense | So Josseline is right with the comment? | 13:06 |
| seb128 | he's right in his comment anyway | 13:06 |
| seb128 | but I'm not sure why it would block the trigger | 13:06 |
| qense | strange | 13:06 |
| seb128 | I would rather think the trigger would be run but buggy | 13:06 |
| seb128 | ie the postinst would not do all what it should be doing | 13:07 |
| seb128 | mvo, ^ do you see why that would stop the trigger to run at all in such cases? | 13:07 |
| seb128 | ok, getting something to eat, I will check that in a bit | 13:07 |
| qense | seb128: I reinstalled gcalctool and all packages with gvfs in it, but the trigger was run. | 13:07 |
| mvo | seb128: I look at the dpkg code now | 13:07 |
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| mvo | kiwinote: hey! I want to rework the appdetails stuff to make it a better abstraction. will you have time to discuss about that in a few minutes? | 13:29 |
| kiwinote | mvo: yep, sure | 13:29 |
| mvo | kiwinote: I looked at your branch, nice progress | 13:30 |
| mvo | kiwinote: did you see the parser.py and tests for that from apturl? | 13:30 |
| mvo | kiwinote: probably easy to reuse | 13:30 |
| kiwinote | mvo: yep, I had seen the parser, was just going to start looking at tests | 13:31 |
| kiwinote | mvo: just a quick question though: is the apt+http protocol something that is used? or can we drop that? | 13:32 |
| mvo | kiwinote: we can drop it | 13:37 |
| mvo | its just too risky | 13:37 |
| kiwinote | mvo: the things that I still need to do on the branch are write tests for the app_details class, find a way to hide empty parts of the appdetails-gtk view (ie for the 'not found' screen) and then work out what the best places are to put warnings or error such that they are noticable | 13:37 |
| kiwinote | mvo: thanks, that was my feeling too | 13:37 |
| mvo | kiwinote: ok, I will start with the app_details class then | 13:38 |
| kiwinote | yep | 13:38 |
| seb128 | re | 13:38 |
| mvo | seb128: looking at the source it looks like dpkg should print something :/ | 13:39 |
| seb128 | mvo, hum, weird | 13:40 |
| seb128 | let me do another quick session restart to make sure this gdm upload I just did works correctly with non autologin and I'm back to try to figure what happens to those triggers | 13:40 |
| seb128 | re, ok enough restart | 13:48 |
| seb128 | mvo, sorry I wanted to make sure that gdm update was ok | 13:49 |
| seb128 | mvo, so I was thinking, the directory is new, would the trigger work if it's only created during the install? | 13:49 |
| seb128 | mvo, I've the feeling libglib -bin should ship that dir as empty | 13:50 |
| seb128 | mvo, ie the dir was not on disk before that upgrade on the box which has the issue, does setting a trigger on a dir not created yet works? | 13:51 |
| mvo | seb128: that makes sense! | 13:51 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 13:51 |
| mvo | seb128: I bet thats the issue :) | 13:51 |
| * mvo hugs seb128 | 13:51 | |
| * seb128 hugs mvo back | 13:51 | |
| * kenvandine waves | 14:04 | |
| seb128 | hey kenvandine, how are you? did you have nice holidays? | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | i did :) | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | a week with no computer... is kind of nice | 14:05 |
| seb128 | excellent! | 14:05 |
| seb128 | indeed | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | ready to stress about gwibber/facebook :/ | 14:06 |
| kenvandine | i see ryan didn't get a fix | 14:06 |
| Laney | just uploaded tomboy 1.3.1 | 14:06 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks | 14:06 |
| Laney | no probs | 14:06 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, did you read the bug about the add button not working pitti assigned you? is that the same fb blocking gwibber issue? | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | yeah... that is the same issue | 14:07 |
| seb128 | I was not sure since some people said it started happening with the sru update | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | we only display the add button when we get the confirmation it succeeded | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | coincidence | 14:07 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | however... it should do something different in the failure case... but we don't parse the error well | 14:08 |
| * kenvandine smacks web scraping | 14:08 | |
| seb128 | it's getting late for lucid .1 | 14:08 |
| seb128 | you should make sure to do the sru update this week if you want it there | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | yeah... i will jump on ryan as soon as he is awake and find out what is up | 14:08 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, otherwise new empathy landed to maverick and should have what you need to work on your tpapprover spec | 14:09 |
| kenvandine | cool | 14:09 |
| kenvandine | seb128, well does telepathy-glib include the vapi file? | 14:09 |
| fta2 | $ dmesg | grep segfault | cut -d' ' -f2 | sed -e 's/\[.*//' | sort | uniq -c | 14:10 |
| fta2 | 1635 gwibber-service | 14:10 |
| fta2 | *sigh* | 14:10 |
| kenvandine | segfaults from gwibber-service? | 14:10 |
| kenvandine | oh, i bet timeouts in the processing pool | 14:10 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, seems not but I'm sure we can fix that | 14:10 |
| kenvandine | ok | 14:10 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i'll look at that today | 14:11 |
| kenvandine | fta2, you have a facebook account configured right? | 14:11 |
| fta2 | kenvandine, nope, just 1 identica acct | 14:11 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks | 14:11 |
| kenvandine | fta2, do you have failures for facebook-images in ~/.cache/gwibber/gwibber.log | 14:11 |
| kenvandine | fta2, oh... interesting | 14:11 |
| kenvandine | fta2, please file a bug and attach that log file | 14:11 |
| fta2 | kenvandine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/459821/ | 14:13 |
| kenvandine | fta2, ok.. and all you have is one account, identi.ca? | 14:14 |
| fta2 | kenvandine, yes | 14:14 |
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| kenvandine | python multiprocessing TimeoutError didn't use to cause segfaults... but recently they started to | 14:14 |
| kenvandine | not sure why | 14:14 |
| fta2 | (that's in lucid) | 14:15 |
| kenvandine | usually it was facebook calls for images hanging | 14:15 |
| fta2 | but using gwibber daily | 14:15 |
| kenvandine | ok | 14:15 |
| kenvandine | i'll have to look at what ryan did while i was at the beach :) | 14:15 |
| kenvandine | fta2, what revision? | 14:16 |
| fta2 | (it happened during the w-e, i was off, and it spammed my mailbox) | 14:16 |
| fta2 | kenvandine, 2.31.2~bzr750 | 14:16 |
| kenvandine | ok, thx | 14:16 |
| kenvandine | eek... 119.8M API errors from facebook in the past week | 14:18 |
| kenvandine | sigh... we have got to fix that | 14:18 |
| kiwinote | mvo: what are we expected to do with apturls like 'apt:pkg?section=multiverse?section=universe' (one of the testcases)? | 14:20 |
| kiwinote | mvo: it seems a bit messy to enable both components? Would it be acceptable to only look at the first section tag? | 14:21 |
| mvo | kiwinote: there are some dependencies in multiverse that require universe | 14:22 |
| mvo | kiwinote: so just enabling multiverse is not enough, it requires universe | 14:22 |
| kiwinote | mvo: aah, ok, that makes sense then | 14:22 |
| mvo | ok | 14:22 |
| mvo | :) | 14:22 |
| kiwinote | mvo: thanks | 14:22 |
| mvo | np | 14:22 |
| cassidy | kenvandine, hi! Empathy 2.31.4 that I released last week now properly implement the Approver API so it should be fine for you work on the indicator applet | 14:26 |
| kenvandine | cassidy, saw that... thanks! | 14:26 |
| seb128 | cassidy, hey, the new empathy has been uploaded to maverick now btw | 14:29 |
| cassidy | yeah, I saw. thanks! | 14:29 |
| mvo | kiwinote: please check lp:~mvo/software-center/appdetails-in-db and let me know what you think. I want to move all the knowledge from the appdetailsview into db.application "Application" and "AppDetails" | 14:54 |
| mvo | kiwinote: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvo/software-center/appdetails-in-db/annotate/head:/test/test_database.py is probably the interessting bit | 14:55 |
| kiwinote | mvo: looks good. I like it that the Application() is also in there | 15:02 |
| kiwinote | mvo: for the appdetails, in which ways do you want it to be different than my appdetails or mmcg's appsource? | 15:02 |
| mvo | kiwinote: cool, I work a bit more on it and push the next rev, I hope that make the mess a bit less messy ;) | 15:02 |
| mvo | kiwinote: just moving it outside of the view class/directory, otherwise its going to be very similar afaics | 15:05 |
| mvo | kiwinote: and using properties, but I guess that is about it | 15:05 |
| kiwinote | mvo: I currently have a AppDetails class in the db directory and mmcg has a seperate appsource class in his appdetailsviewgtk branch which can easily be moved | 15:06 |
| mvo | kiwinote: hm, thinking about it it is maybe better to leave the getters as the mmcg code is already working with them | 15:06 |
| kiwinote | mvo: yeah, I wasn't sure whether to use properties or not.. | 15:06 |
| mvo | kiwinote: in what way is yours different from mmcgs ? | 15:07 |
| kiwinote | mvo: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/459847/ | 15:09 |
| kiwinote | mvo: from yesterday ^ | 15:09 |
| kiwinote | mvo: I don't mind which class we use, it just seems a bit odd for three of us to be making seperate classes for the same thing | 15:10 |
| mvo | kiwinote: absolutely, shows that there is a dire need to get it into trunk, I will use yours, rename to AppDetials (if you don't mind) and we need to add some tests | 15:12 |
| kiwinote | mvo: sure, I don't mind if you change things (also if you want getters/setters) | 15:13 |
| mvo | kiwinote: thanks! I like properties better I think | 15:13 |
| kiwinote | mvo: once the class has stabilized a bit between our needs, I don't mind writing the tests for it | 15:13 |
| mvo | kiwinote: ok, so I think best to merge it over now so that we have a interface that is common to all branches | 15:19 |
| kiwinote | mvo: indeed, the main thing you'll need to watch out for is that my class relies on the Application() having a request attribute for the gdebi and apturl features | 15:21 |
| mvo | kiwinote: ok | 15:21 |
| ^arky^ | hi mvo | 15:21 |
| mvo | hey ^arky^ | 15:23 |
| ^arky^ | Enjoying the hot weather in Germany | 15:23 |
| mvo | :) | 15:25 |
| ^arky^ | mvo: Will software-center move over to pygtk away from webkit ? | 15:26 |
| mvo | ^arky^: for some stuff, it will still use it as a fallback | 15:26 |
| tremolux | hi kiwinote! \o | 15:28 |
| kiwinote | hi tremolux! | 15:29 |
| mvo | hey tremolux | 15:29 |
| tremolux | hey mvo! | 15:29 |
| ^arky^ | mvo: I have looking at a11y of software-center for a while now | 15:29 |
| ^arky^ | mvo: the only bug I find hard to fix is the sidebar a11y, can you take that up ? | 15:30 |
| tremolux | ^arky^: thanks a lot for keeping an eye in a11y for us, it's a great help | 15:33 |
| ^arky^ | tremolux: yw | 15:34 |
| tremolux | ^arky^: do you have a bug # for the sidebar issue? | 15:34 |
| * tremolux looks | 15:35 | |
| ^arky^ | tremolux: sure jam | 15:35 |
| ^arky^ | tremolux: bug 599046 | 15:35 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 599046 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Side pane navigation are read "Page" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599046 | 15:35 |
| ^arky^ | tremolux: I can provide accerciser output to help you debug the problem if you need | 15:36 |
| mvo | kiwinote: I pushed a new revision that is just a skeleton interface. does that look suitable? if so I think we should fill the skeletong with live and port the the code over to it (probably trivial as its very close to the one you have). I don't want to merge the full deb_file support just now as it touches a lot of stuff | 15:36 |
| kiwinote | looking | 15:37 |
| kiwinote | mvo: yep, that looks good | 15:38 |
| mvo | kiwinote: great, thanks! I like your PKG_STATE_* stuff btw | 15:40 |
| kiwinote | mvo: that came from mmcg originally ;) | 15:40 |
| mvo | heh :) ok, I should pass it on then I guess .) | 15:40 |
| kiwinote | mvo: just looking back at the appdetails stuff, I used title/subtitle, you may or may not want to rename them, also it may be a good idea to introduce the error/warning into the skeleton, so that they can be used for appdetailsview-gtk stuff, instead of just plonking them in the description | 15:45 |
| mvo | kiwinote: I have not made up my mind about title/subtitle yet, but error/warning is a good idea | 15:46 |
| tremolux | ^arky^: thanks, please do if it's convenient | 15:47 |
| ^arky^ | tremolux: will attach it to the bug | 15:51 |
| tremolux | ^arky^: thanks a lot! | 15:51 |
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| ^arky^ | tremolux: :) | 15:53 |
| ^arky^ | tremolux: attached a debug output from accerciser to the bug | 16:08 |
| tremolux | ^arky^: awesome, thx! I will look at that one, thanks for raising it | 16:10 |
| mvo | kiwinote: and yet another version | 16:11 |
| ^arky^ | tremolux: a question how do I get the ratings enabled ? I wanted to test them | 16:11 |
| mvo | kiwinote, tremolux: I need to take a break for ~1h, feel free to fill in the gaps :) | 16:11 |
| tremolux | ^arky^: hmm, it may not be worth spending the effort on ratings presently as we are currently not targeting ratings support in maverick | 16:15 |
| ^arky^ | tremolux: I see, good to know that | 16:16 |
| * rickspencer3 ducks | 16:16 | |
| jcastro | seb128: hey so I spent some time with shotwell to do my fireworks pics yesterday | 16:17 |
| seb128 | jcastro, oh, tell us! | 16:17 |
| jcastro | I think it's getting much better, etc., but I don't think it's ready to take over yet | 16:18 |
| jcastro | like, there was no obvious way to go to the "browse collection" view | 16:18 |
| * mvo waves and takes a break | 16:18 | |
| jcastro | also import was pretty time consuming v. f-spot | 16:18 |
| jcastro | (I didn't measure it exactly) | 16:18 |
| mvo | kiwinote: I hope it makes merging easy for you and gives us something easy and extensible for the future | 16:19 |
| kiwinote | mvo: yep, it should help both mmcg and myself to merge against | 16:20 |
| seb128 | jcastro, ok, would be nice to try how the new f-spot in maverick behaves as well | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i showed it to my wife (heavy photo junkie) recently too, she said there was no way she would switch away from f-spot | 16:22 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, why? | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | features.... | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | most notably the timeline thing | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | for browsing | 16:22 |
| jcastro | the left sidebar of shotwell isn't very user friendly | 16:23 |
| jcastro | it's just a tree | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | she has 18k photos | 16:23 |
| bcurtiswx | dejavu re. switch from pidgin to empathy | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | that span a number of years | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | she loves the timeline in f-spot | 16:23 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: haha :D | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | also tags, she likes tags and filtering in f-spot | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | she couldn't figure out how to do that in shotwell | 16:23 |
| jcastro | yeah, the tree on the side in shotwell isn't as usable as the top slider thing in f-spot | 16:24 |
| kenvandine | seb128, that was all the input i got out of her in the 10 minutes she was willing to look at it... then she just said i'll stick with f-spot and walked away | 16:24 |
| bcurtiswx | whats the difference in space on CD? | 16:24 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, not sure... but i think it is just f-spot and tomboy keeping mono on the CD | 16:25 |
| Laney | gbrainy | 16:25 |
| kenvandine | and evidently we can build f-spot and tomboy so it doesn't need the mono runtime installed | 16:25 |
| * kenvandine hasn't tried that... but that is what i hear | 16:25 | |
| lamalex | ... what?? | 16:25 |
| Laney | what? | 16:25 |
| * bcurtiswx is interrupting a meeting? | 16:25 | |
| jcastro | kenvandine: that's what DBO says but no one has checked that | 16:25 |
| Laney | are you talking about AOT? | 16:25 |
| jcastro | Laney: lamalex: he says using AOT | 16:25 |
| jcastro | bcurtiswx: no we're just hanging and I decided to bring up shotwell, heh | 16:26 |
| bcurtiswx | jcastro: whew, i've made the mistake of derailing a previous meeting | 16:26 |
| Laney | I don't think we have any infrastructure in place for AOT | 16:27 |
| Laney | for example I don't know how clideps and friends will cope | 16:27 |
| lamalex | I don't think that using AOT is worth dropping the mono runtime for a few mb | 16:27 |
| lamalex | I know for a fact that tomboy uses some linq, I don't know about f-spot | 16:27 |
| Laney | it's likely to have different/more bugs | 16:28 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, jcastro: ok thanks | 16:28 |
| kenvandine | Laney, not surprising... | 16:28 |
| Laney | and the obscure arch support will probably be whack | 16:28 |
| Laney | but might be a nice PPA experiment | 16:28 |
| kenvandine | no idea how that works | 16:28 |
| jcastro | seb128: once I finish importing some pics I'll show you a screenshot | 16:28 |
| jcastro | seb128: I didn't notice until I actually starting using it with lots of photos | 16:28 |
| lamalex | kenvandine: it just generates the native code _ahead of time_ so as long as you don't use dynamic features it should work fine | 16:28 |
| kenvandine | seb128, also... importing an existing library was pretty bad... ~10k was 4 hours and several gigs of ram | 16:29 |
| Laney | pitti: this reminds me, are you planning on updating your f-spot patch adding a dir selector to the import dialog? | 16:29 |
| pitti | Laney: I followed up upstream | 16:29 |
| Laney | rubenv doesn't like the approach I know | 16:29 |
| pitti | git head completely changed code, and they do not want to accept this approach | 16:29 |
| Laney | but do we want to keep it downstream? | 16:29 |
| pitti | so I don't plan to update this patch | 16:30 |
| pitti | no, let's drop it | 16:30 |
| Laney | cool, I'm with that | 16:30 |
| pitti | I don't want to keep this forever | 16:30 |
| Laney | he likes the idea of adding an option to customise the folder hierarchy, and that strikes me as a better solution too | 16:30 |
| pitti | and I eventually just gave up and returned to gthumb | 16:30 |
| pitti | Laney: right, I like that, too | 16:30 |
| Laney | SMOP then | 16:31 |
| Laney | :) | 16:31 |
| pitti | FSVO "simple" :) | 16:31 |
| Laney | might look into it, after cribbing from Banshee of course | 16:31 |
| LaserJock | have you guys seen this? http://www.damonlynch.net/rapid/index.html | 16:31 |
| LaserJock | it looks like maybe a useful tool for making photo/video management better | 16:32 |
| vish | kenvandine: hi , when you get time could you review these > https://bugs.launchpad.net/adium-theme-ubuntu/+patches , they would close a few papercuts :) | 16:33 |
| kenvandine | vish, sure | 16:36 |
| vish | kenvandine: thanks | 16:36 |
| jcastro | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/tree-of-doom.png <--- left sidebar of shotwell v. top slider thing in f-spot | 16:36 |
| LaserJock | does anybody happen to know if gnome-panel will be shipped in Ubuntu past 10.10ish? | 16:37 |
| LaserJock | jcastro: does shotwell only have that date tree? you can't say have a tag tree | 16:38 |
| jcastro | it has tags at the bottom if you scroll (same as fspot) | 16:38 |
| jcastro | that just doesn't show up there | 16:39 |
| bcurtiswx | the shotwell thumbnails are much better, but maybe thats changeable with fspot | 16:39 |
| jcastro | yeah that's just cosmetic | 16:39 |
| lamalex | bcurtiswx: yeah, that could be patched in 20 minutes | 16:40 |
| lamalex | and f-spot will be getting a large cosmetic makeover once a bunch of clean up is finished | 16:40 |
| kiwinote | tremolux: are you working on mvo's branch atm, or can I branch it without duplicating work? | 16:42 |
| tremolux | kiwinote: please branch it | 16:43 |
| kiwinote | thanks ;) | 16:43 |
| tremolux | kiwinote: I've branched it and am just catching up to what's been done, which bits are you working on? | 16:51 |
| kiwinote | tremolux: I've just done a very little bit, which i'll push now, but I'm going to grab some dinner in a few minutes, so I'll won't be touching it for the next while | 16:54 |
| tremolux | kiwinote: ok, sounds good :) | 16:55 |
| kiwinote | tremolux: it is worth looking at the appdetails file in my branch as I've changed a few things (wrt components, channels, warnings and errors). Just keep in mind that I have a whole pile of gdebi and apturl stuff in that file as well which we don't want in trunk yet | 16:56 |
| tremolux | kiwinote: ok, will do, thanks | 16:56 |
| rickspencer3 | ArneGoetje, chrisccoulson, oh screw it | 17:29 |
| rickspencer3 | everybody! | 17:29 |
| seb128 | lol | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | desktop team meeting in 1 minute | 17:30 |
| chrisccoulson | hi rickspencer3 | 17:30 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, tehnically it's now ;-) | 17:30 |
| seb128 | technically | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-07-06 | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | it's now | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | !! | 17:30 |
| ArneGoetje | o/ | 17:30 |
| kenvandine | hey | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm afraid I need everyone in Europe to work some over time tonight | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | it won't be done until about 10 minutes after the game ends | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | or ... | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | we could start the meeting so everyone can go out and get a good seat | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | ;) | 17:31 |
| tremolux | hiya | 17:31 |
| * rickspencer3 taps gavel | 17:31 | |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-07-06 | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | first is open actions from last week | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | but there weren't any | 17:32 |
| * pitti chuckles | 17:32 | |
| rickspencer3 | so, easy! | 17:32 |
| pitti | the real fun is tomorrow! | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, for you maybe, I'm in NL | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | next is partner update | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, ? | 17:33 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, i haven't figured that out yet... :) first day back | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | okay | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | well | 17:33 |
| * kenvandine enjoyed drinks at the beach... does that count? | 17:33 | |
| rickspencer3 | this is turning out to go fast | 17:33 |
| seb128 | it will be faster when you notice there is no didrocks either | 17:33 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | I think Riddell is at Akadamy | 17:34 |
| seb128 | indeed | 17:34 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't know if you want a mozilla update? i've not prepared anything to say but i could probably say a few words | 17:34 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, yes please | 17:34 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, would be nice | 17:35 |
| chrisccoulson | ok. so, we published FF3.6.6 to hardy and lucid last week (just after last weeks meeting) | 17:35 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 17:35 |
| chrisccoulson | it's gone reasonably well so far, there was 1 issue that appeared during the evening (the new FF version conflicting with firefox-2 installs) | 17:35 |
| chrisccoulson | but that's fixed now | 17:36 |
| chrisccoulson | and we had some users complaining that their java plugin disappeared, which is also now fixed | 17:36 |
| chrisccoulson | and we're getting a lot of crash reports caused by the flash plugin on both lucid and hardy | 17:36 |
| chrisccoulson | which sucks :-/ | 17:36 |
| chrisccoulson | i could do with a way of contacting somebody at adobe | 17:37 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, have you asked asac about that? | 17:37 |
| chrisccoulson | rickspencer3, about contacting somebody at adobe? | 17:37 |
| chrisccoulson | or about the crashes? | 17:37 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, the adobe thing | 17:38 |
| chrisccoulson | rickspencer3, not yet. i was given another name yesterday, but i've not had a chance to speak to him yet | 17:38 |
| chrisccoulson | but, apart from that, i'm going to be in a position to finally start on maverick work this week :) | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, I would strongly recommend asking asac | 17:39 |
| chrisccoulson | rickspencer3, ok, i can do that | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | for a suggestion of who to talk to | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, congrats on starting maverick | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | ! | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, I assume it goes without saying that you did an awesome job with mozilla and we all owe you a huge debt of gratitude? | 17:40 |
| chrisccoulson | FF3.6.7 is already in the PPA ready for testing too | 17:40 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, thanks :) | 17:40 |
| seb128 | indeed great work chrisccoulson | 17:40 |
| chrisccoulson | and thanks to everyone who's helped out with testing too :) | 17:40 |
| * tremolux high-5's chrisccoulson | 17:40 | |
| * chrisccoulson high-5's tremolux :) | 17:41 | |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 17:41 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 17:41 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, else on mozilla? | 17:41 |
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| chrisccoulson | i think i'm done. the only other thing is that karmic and jaunty are still blocked on openjdk, but that should be resolved soon | 17:42 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, that's just a simple matter of work, right? | 17:42 |
| rickspencer3 | no unsolved technical issues, correct? | 17:42 |
| chrisccoulson | rickspencer3, yeah, we still need to run the TCK, which i don't think i'm doing | 17:42 |
| rickspencer3 | right | 17:43 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, who is, do you know? | 17:43 |
| chrisccoulson | but jdstrand had to copy a package to main in jaunty today to get the backported version to build | 17:43 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not sure who's doing the work, i'll have to check my emails again | 17:43 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, never mind, I can find out | 17:43 |
| rickspencer3 | you should rather take a rest! | 17:44 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 17:44 |
| chrisccoulson | rickspencer3, thanks | 17:44 |
| rickspencer3 | ok, moving on ... | 17:44 |
| rickspencer3 | tremolux, software-center? | 17:44 |
| tremolux | sure, pastebomb incoming: | 17:44 |
| tremolux | Buy Something: Software Center Agent implementation progressing well, stub server in use for development | 17:44 |
| tremolux | mvo was able to "buy something" from his private PPA after resolving aptdaemon issue, branch at lp:~mvo/software-center/buy-something | 17:44 |
| tremolux | New Apps: Further UI design input from mpt and discussion, development using app-review-board PPA continues (new-apps needs love this week) | 17:44 |
| tremolux | UI Enhancements: Great progress by Kiwinote in apturl integration features, Matthew McGowan working on new gtk-based details view | 17:44 |
| rickspencer3 | mvo was able to "buy something" from his private PPA after resolving aptdaemon issue, branch at lp:~mvo/software-center/buy-something | 17:45 |
| rickspencer3 | !!!! | 17:45 |
| rickspencer3 | seriously? | 17:45 |
| rickspencer3 | wow | 17:45 |
| tremolux | yeah! | 17:45 |
| tremolux | he said it is "rough", but it worked | 17:45 |
| rickspencer3 | New Apps: Further UI design input from mpt and discussion | 17:45 |
| rickspencer3 | has anyone come up with a name yet? | 17:45 |
| tremolux | no, I will get something asap tho | 17:46 |
| rickspencer3 | tremolux, maybe a contest or something? | 17:46 |
| tremolux | hah, maybe! | 17:46 |
| rickspencer3 | ACTION: rickspencer3 to propose a naming contest for new apps | 17:46 |
| rickspencer3 | ACTION: rickspencer3 to find out who is doing the TDK testing, and make sure they do it | 17:46 |
| rickspencer3 | tremolux, thanks for the update | 17:47 |
| tremolux | sure! | 17:47 |
| rickspencer3 | sounds like software-center is coming along quite nicely for maverick | 17:47 |
| rickspencer3 | moving on ... | 17:47 |
| rickspencer3 | no didrocks, so no UNE update | 17:47 |
| rickspencer3 | so, two quick things from me | 17:47 |
| rickspencer3 | I bet some of you are wondering about performance reviews | 17:48 |
| rickspencer3 | well ... I'm just waiting to hear about the raise and bonus numbers | 17:48 |
| rickspencer3 | so I'm thinking next week | 17:48 |
| rickspencer3 | we'll discuss goal setting at that time as well | 17:49 |
| seb128 | ups | 17:49 |
| seb128 | sorry about that | 17:49 |
| seb128 | (note, don't test bugs during a meeting that might crash things) | 17:49 |
| rickspencer3 | welcome back seb128 | 17:49 |
| rickspencer3 | lol | 17:49 |
| rickspencer3 | never a bad time to test! | 17:49 |
| rickspencer3 | okay | 17:49 |
| rickspencer3 | next is the spring | 17:49 |
| rickspencer3 | sprint, even | 17:49 |
| rickspencer3 | ah, I see my update to the wiki got blown away | 17:50 |
| rickspencer3 | so, we need to update the wiki with our goals for the sprint | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | as Tech Lead, this will be seb128's sacred task | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | for some reason, this is on the internal wiki: | 17:51 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/Sprints/Maverick/Desktop | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | (sorry seb128) | 17:51 |
| seb128 | the page seems pretty empty | 17:52 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, I think making the agenda has gotten a lot easier since we started tracking work items | 17:52 |
| rickspencer3 | but there may be non work item things to add, as well | 17:52 |
| rickspencer3 | like if you want someone to teach you something | 17:52 |
| rickspencer3 | add it to the agenda | 17:52 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, so can you own filling in the agenda for us?? | 17:53 |
| loneowais | lamalex: hey, i shifted that app to messaging menu | 17:53 |
| seb128 | ok | 17:53 |
| lamalex | loneowais: sweet | 17:53 |
| loneowais | lamalex: the one we talked about yesterday | 17:53 |
| seb128 | loneowais, hey, there is a meeting running atm | 17:53 |
| loneowais | oh | 17:53 |
| loneowais | sorry | 17:53 |
| loneowais | carry on | 17:53 |
| rickspencer3 | loneowais, lamalex np, almost done | 17:53 |
| seb128 | lamalex, loneowais: could you wait end of the meeting or use #ayatana? | 17:53 |
| kenvandine | :) | 17:53 |
| loneowais | i'm in no hurry | 17:53 |
| loneowais | i can wait | 17:53 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 17:54 |
| rickspencer3 | moving on | 17:54 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, release status? anything there to discuss? | 17:54 |
| seb128 | #ayatana could be nice since that's where people writing indicators hang | 17:54 |
| seb128 | ok | 17:54 |
| seb128 | not really | 17:54 |
| seb128 | congrats on alpha2 everybody | 17:54 |
| seb128 | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-maverick-alpha-2.html | 17:54 |
| seb128 | we have been mostly on track during this iteration and alpha2 is working nicely | 17:54 |
| seb128 | now we track http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-maverick-alpha-3.html | 17:55 |
| seb128 | and seems we are already behind a bit | 17:55 |
| seb128 | (but there was a 3 days weekend and some people on holidays) | 17:55 |
| seb128 | so let's rock on those | 17:56 |
| seb128 | and don't forget to update your workitems regularly | 17:56 |
| seb128 | that was about it, thanks | 17:56 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, when should we start looking at bugs? | 17:56 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, "depends" I would say ;-) | 17:56 |
| seb128 | it's still a bit early to focus on bugs now | 17:56 |
| seb128 | but we turned apport on again in maverick | 17:57 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks seb128 | 17:57 |
| seb128 | and it might be time to try to spot some of the importants issues in components you watch | 17:57 |
| seb128 | and talk to upstream etc about those | 17:57 |
| rickspencer3 | any other business? | 17:57 |
| seb128 | quite some specs are still work in progress though and there is no real point spending lot of time on bugs for things changing still | 17:57 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, thanks | 17:58 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks seb128, understood | 17:58 |
| rickspencer3 | any other business? | 17:58 |
| seb128 | not from me | 17:58 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 17:59 |
| rickspencer3 | shall we call it a wrap? | 17:59 |
| * rickspencer3 taps gavel | 17:59 | |
| kenvandine | woot | 17:59 |
| seb128 | thanks everybody | 17:59 |
| kenvandine | :) | 17:59 |
| rickspencer3 | loneowais, lamalex we're done | 17:59 |
| tremolux | thanks everybody! | 17:59 |
| ArneGoetje | thanks | 17:59 |
| LaserJock | seb128: do you know if gnome-panel will officially be deprecated with GNOME 3.0? | 18:00 |
| seb128 | LaserJock, not sure what you call deprecated | 18:01 |
| seb128 | LaserJock, it will still be available as a fallback for people not having video requirements for new technologies | 18:01 |
| seb128 | LaserJock, it will not likely get lot of upstream work though | 18:02 |
| LaserJock | OK | 18:02 |
| LaserJock | but Ubuntu would likely ship it as a fallback for a while? | 18:02 |
| seb128 | LaserJock, depends of what you mean ship | 18:03 |
| vish | ArneGoetje: hi , for IBus merges are the correct procedure or ...? | 18:03 |
| seb128 | LaserJock, we will figure that next cycle when we switch to GNOME3 | 18:03 |
| LaserJock | ok | 18:03 |
| seb128 | LaserJock, it will still be in Ubuntu, not sure about the default installation | 18:03 |
| seb128 | brb | 18:04 |
| mvo | kiwinote: merging from your branch now | 18:20 |
| ArneGoetje | vish: probably. We need to wait for the next upstream release, since the current one is buggy. Better coordinate with ZhengPengHou. | 18:35 |
| vish | ArneGoetje: cool , he is on irc , his irc nick? | 18:36 |
| vish | is he on irc* | 18:36 |
| vish | ArneGoetje: a merge is waiting for Ibus , https://code.launchpad.net/~joel-auterson/ubuntu/maverick/ibus/newmenuname/+merge/29215 , and wasnt sure how it can be addressed , could you comment on it? | 18:37 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, did you have any time to work on this firefox lucid .1 task btw? | 18:41 |
| seb128 | I guess it's "no" with the security update but we should get the .1 sru in this week we are already late | 18:42 |
| seb128 | is there any chance you will be able to get to this one? | 18:42 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i will try and look at that one tomorrow | 18:43 |
| seb128 | thanks | 18:43 |
| ArneGoetje | vish: he is not in this channel, but should be present on freenode (although maybe not at this time) | 18:46 |
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| ArneGoetje | vish: I have reviewed the merge proposal and commented on it. | 19:01 |
| vish | ArneGoetje: neat thanks! | 19:02 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hum, gwibber triggers apport on start in maverick there | 19:08 |
| seb128 | "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/gwibber/gwui.py", line 909, in set_overlay_text | 19:09 |
| seb128 | self.pango_overlay.set_markup(self.overlay_text % (self.overlay_color, text)) | 19:09 |
| seb128 | AttributeError: 'InputTextView' object has no attribute 'pango_overlay' | 19:09 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ^ known issue? | 19:09 |
| kenvandine | humm | 19:09 |
| kenvandine | no | 19:09 |
| seb128 | do you run maverick? | 19:09 |
| kenvandine | yes | 19:09 |
| kenvandine | working here | 19:09 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it doesn't crash, it's just an exception to apport triggers | 19:09 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, we turned it on again yesterday | 19:10 |
| kenvandine | i am not getting that though | 19:10 |
| seb128 | ok | 19:10 |
| kenvandine | i have gotten other apport triggers today :) | 19:10 |
| kenvandine | i should get it on the console if i run it, which i don't | 19:10 |
| kenvandine | seb128, do you see the overlay text in the input box? | 19:10 |
| kenvandine | i suspect you don't... | 19:11 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I see the count there | 19:11 |
| kenvandine | is there anything further up in the traceback? | 19:11 |
| seb128 | should it have anything else? | 19:11 |
| kenvandine | that is it | 19:11 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/459938/ | 19:11 |
| jenkins | hello pitti, rickspencer3 said to ask you how do i get apport to collect logs from a custom location? | 19:11 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, but I didn't get the exception on this run | 19:11 |
| kenvandine | could it have been an old crash? | 19:12 |
| seb128 | jenkins, you can use attach_file | 19:12 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, so, I clean my crash dir before the meeting today | 19:12 |
| kenvandine | ok | 19:12 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I get like 15 crashes a day collected atm | 19:12 |
| seb128 | joice of running an unstable distro ;-) | 19:13 |
| kenvandine | hehe :) | 19:13 |
| jenkins | seb128: could you expand please, I have not used apport in an app that I am working on before. | 19:13 |
| kenvandine | you shouldn't be able to get that error once and not a second time... very weird | 19:13 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, perhaps it is documented somewhere? | 19:14 |
| seb128 | jenkins, did you read the documentation? | 19:14 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, yes, in the apport documentation :p | 19:14 |
| rickspencer3 | answer to jenkins question, I mean | 19:14 |
| seb128 | let me search the wiki page one sec | 19:14 |
| jenkins | seb128: I only found some stuff on the kubuntu wiki about apport | 19:14 |
| seb128 | jenkins, did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/DeveloperHowTo? | 19:19 |
| seb128 | jenkins, you can read /usr/share/doc/apport/package-hooks.txt | 19:19 |
| seb128 | .gz | 19:19 |
| jenkins | seb128: I will have a read thanks | 19:20 |
| seb128 | jenkins, see attach_file(report, path, key=None) in the apport.hookutils documentation | 19:21 |
| jenkins | ok thanks I will have a read | 19:22 |
| jenkins | I have made my quickshot-crashdb.conf and my source_quickshot.py, but doing ubuntu-bug quickshot gives "This is not a genuine ubuntu package" . The project is hosted on launchpad but not in the repo is that a problem? | 20:01 |
| seb128 | jenkins, you can talk to ted about how to handle those, apport is made to file ubuntu bugs by default and yours is not one | 20:04 |
| seb128 | the dx team did some hacks to file bugs from ppa builds on upstream components though | 20:05 |
| jenkins | seb128: when will ted be around? he is not on at the moment | 20:05 |
| seb128 | he's tedg | 20:06 |
| jenkins | are ok thanks | 20:06 |
| tedg | seb128, It's not a hack, it's documented in a wiki :) | 20:07 |
| seb128 | tedg, it should be in some documentation I guess | 20:08 |
| tedg | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/DeveloperHowTo#Applications%20not%20included%20in%20Ubuntu's%20repositories%20but%20hosted%20on%20Launchpad | 20:08 |
| seb128 | seems to be a frequent question | 20:08 |
| seb128 | jenkins, ^ | 20:08 |
| seb128 | tedg, seems it is, thank you! | 20:08 |
| jenkins | tedg: I have follwed that but is does not work I will just pastebin my files | 20:09 |
| tedg | seb128, No problem, actually didrocks deserves the credit as he showed me :) | 20:09 |
| tedg | jenkins, Here's what I did: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-appmenu/apport-hook/+merge/27400 | 20:10 |
| jenkins | http://pastebin.com/KXXPSNR2 is my source_quickshot.py file and http://pastebin.com/G2N3e4YL is my *.conf file | 20:10 |
| jenkins | does the package version number need to end in ubuntuppa for it to work? | 20:12 |
| tedg | jenkins, No, it doesn't. | 20:13 |
| tedg | jenkins, Did you install them in the right places? | 20:13 |
| tedg | jenkins, They look fine to me, but honestly, I don't know much more than following the instructions on the wiki. | 20:13 |
| jenkins | I have the .py in /usr/share/apport/package-hooks and the .conf in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf.d | 20:14 |
| tedg | jenkins, didrocks had said that he had built some support for this into quickly. Maybe you can look there for more complete examples. | 20:14 |
| jenkins | which is right | 20:14 |
| jenkins | the ubuntuone client has ones which i used to follow. the app i am working on is a quickly ap | 20:15 |
| jenkins | didrocks: any suggestions? | 20:17 |
| tedg | jenkins, Hmm, interesting. I thought everything "just worked" in quickly apps... | 20:17 |
| seb128 | he's away for the week | 20:17 |
| seb128 | bbl | 20:17 |
| jenkins | hmm | 20:18 |
| tedg | jenkins, The only thing else I'd advise is just make it simpler. Get down to the bare min of what you need and see if that works. | 20:18 |
| jenkins | ok I will comment out all but the minum and see what happens | 20:19 |
| jenkins | nope no luck I commented out everything that was extra | 20:20 |
| jenkins | thanks for your help I will hang out here incase anyone else has any suggestions | 20:21 |
| desrt | tedg: hey | 20:21 |
| desrt | tedg: can you clarify what you meant in your email? | 20:21 |
| tedg | Good afternoon desrt | 20:21 |
| desrt | i think i might be misunderstanding you | 20:22 |
| tedg | desrt, Yeah, basically just having an "if (linking GPLv2) then dont_offend_it();" clause. So GPLv2 would get a special exception. | 20:22 |
| desrt | tedg: "dont_offend_it()" would have to be defined as "become GPLv2" | 20:23 |
| desrt | so what you're talking about is effectively dual-licensing | 20:23 |
| tedg | desrt, I thought only the patent thing offended it. Not everything else. | 20:23 |
| desrt | tedg: hm. | 20:24 |
| desrt | i was under the impression that the gplv2 viewed any additional restriction as a problem | 20:25 |
| desrt | and things like the anti-tivoisation are restrictions | 20:25 |
| desrt | tedg: in any case, so that you don't have to waste yoyur time typing the argument twice, maybe you could reply to the list explaining that idea? | 20:26 |
| tedg | desrt, That could be true. I'm not 100% sure, I thought it was just the patent thing. Does the "Tivo" clause effect linking? | 20:26 |
| tedg | desrt, I think that'd only effect shipping the library itself. | 20:27 |
| desrt | the tivo clause modifies your ability to redistribute | 20:27 |
| desrt | say you have a straight GPL2 program | 20:27 |
| desrt | you're free to tivoise that and move on | 20:27 |
| desrt | actually, wait | 20:28 |
| desrt | i think LGPLv3 specifically nullifies the tivo clause of GPLv3 | 20:28 |
| desrt | so that's probably why it doesn't matter | 20:28 |
| jcastro | htorque: are you on i386 or amd64 when you test UNE? | 20:30 |
| htorque | jcastro, i386 | 20:30 |
| tedg | desrt, In a nutshell, I'm happy to be wrong. But I thought that the patent thing was the issue, so it may be possible to special case that. If it's the whole thing, that's probably a silly way to go. | 20:31 |
| desrt | tedg: if you could find a link that shows me why i'm wrong you should really reply to the list with it :) | 20:32 |
| jcastro | htorque: when you get a chance, please update and try the menu, I think bratsche just fixed almost all the bugs. | 20:32 |
| htorque | jcastro: i will soon :) | 20:33 |
| jcastro | htorque: let me know! | 20:34 |
| htorque | jcastro: appmenu-gtk 0.1.0 - anything else to update? | 20:37 |
| bratsche | That's the latest. | 20:38 |
| bratsche | Are you having issues with it? | 20:38 |
| htorque | about to test it now :) | 20:38 |
| jcastro | bratsche: I am waiting for it to build on amd64 to test it | 20:39 |
| jenkins | I have made some progress I ran "ubuntu-bug quickshot" on the command line and got lots of indentation errors, despite the fact i copied from the ubuntuone file. The error i can not fix is http://pastebin.com/0sFSju8t using this file http://pastebin.com/fbwPbZjh any suggestions? | 20:52 |
| htorque | bratsche, jcastro: i'm still seeing the gap thing for gedit "Tools", gnome-terminal "Tabs", and rhythmbox "Tools", see bug 600191, | 20:53 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 600191 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Gedit: Hidden menu causing gap (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600191 | 20:53 |
| bratsche | htorque: What do you mean? That "Tools" is not visible in gedit? | 20:56 |
| boozler | How can I get extra keys to work in ubuntu? Iv tried going to system > preferences > keyboard > layouts and selecting different model key boards but I'v had no success. My keyboard is a logitech pro 2000 wireless usb. Im specifically trying to get extra equal sign, open and close paranthese above my numpad to work. | 20:57 |
| desrt | boozler: a mac keyboard layout might help you | 20:58 |
| desrt | they have the keypad equals sign | 20:58 |
| desrt | never heard of the parens, though :/ | 20:58 |
| htorque | bratsche, i don't have a "Tools" menu in gedit's original menu bar, but a gap in the global menu that changes to a "Tools" menu once i re-focus gedit | 21:00 |
| boozler | desrt: nope didn't work | 21:00 |
| bratsche | htorque: Ah, interesting. I wonder how I can reproduce that, since I always have Tools visible. | 21:01 |
| boozler | desrt: is there a file some where I can hack to make it work? for example I can make them work in vi through vimrc | 21:02 |
| htorque | bratsche, same goes for rhythmbox and the gnome-terminal (as long as i have only one tab open, there is no "Tabs" menu in gnome-terminal's menu bar) | 21:03 |
| desrt | boozler: xmodmap might be your friend | 21:03 |
| desrt | boozler: you can use the 'xev' command to find out what the raw keycodes are | 21:04 |
| desrt | and then use xmodmap to map those keycodes onto the proper key symbols | 21:04 |
| boozler | desrt: sounds like a plan only xev reports all three keys with the same keycode | 21:05 |
| desrt | bad news for you | 21:06 |
| bratsche | htorque: Ah yeah, I see that now. Thanks! | 21:06 |
| boozler | haha | 21:07 |
| htorque | bratsche: should the menu order now also work for all qt apps? in the VLC play the menus are in reverse order for a couple of seconds before changing to their correct positions | 21:17 |
| htorque | *player | 21:18 |
| bratsche | htorque: I dunno.. I think agateau is the right person to talk to about Qt apps. | 21:20 |
| pitti | jenkins: you write a package hook, see /usr/share/doc/apport/package-hooks.txt.gz and the countless examples in /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/ | 21:33 |
| jenkins | pitti: thanks I have just solved it, so please | 21:41 |
| jenkins | d | 21:41 |
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| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Congratulations on getting core-dev. | 23:56 |
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