[07:07] TheMuso, can you sponsor yelp? [07:11] Good morning [07:11] morning pitti [07:12] Aloha pitti! [07:16] robert_ancell: sure [07:33] robert_ancell: uploaded. [07:34] TheMuso, thanks [07:34] np [07:36] pitti, hey, why is it important to be able to change the keyboard layout from the greeter? Is this the layout for the session or the greeter? [07:36] robert_ancell: for both [07:36] robert_ancell: well, we got along without this feature in the old gdm [07:36] pitti, so why not change the layout when in the session? [07:36] robert_ancell: how do you type your password then? [07:37] pitti, there's two features here, the ability to change the greeter keyboard layout (required) and the user layout (possibly not required?) [07:37] it's certainly not the most important feature ever, but I learned to like it (my wife uses DE layout, I'm using US) [07:37] pitti, can't gnome-session set the layout on login? [07:38] robert_ancell: g-session can set it according to the user's gconf settings, yes [07:38] robert_ancell: well, it's gnome-settings-daemon, but all the same [07:40] robert_ancell: I'll answer your mail, but I have to read the gdm source for answers [07:40] pitti, ok, np. [07:44] * pitti -> doctor appointment, bbl [09:20] hey there === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [09:23] Hey, ho! [09:23] hey RAOF, how are you? [09:23] ola [09:23] lut baptistemm [09:24] Pretty good, pretty good. [09:24] salut seb128 [09:24] Got me some tea, got me some biscuits, and I got me the i965 programming manual. Excellent bedtime reading! [09:25] hehe [09:27] quick session restart and I should be set for the morning updates [09:28] re [09:28] dear update-manager stop triggering apport when closing authentification dialogs [09:29] seb128: hm? [09:29] hey mvo [09:30] mvo, on maverick run update-manager, click "check" and hit "esc" on your keyboard [09:30] "DBusException: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.Error.NotAuthorized" [09:30] aha [09:30] seb128: trivial fix, hold on [09:31] mvo, ;-) [09:31] mvo, I had the feeling you would say something like that ;-) [09:31] hm, maybe not ;) [09:31] lol [09:32] do you want a bug on launchpad about it? [09:32] it should already be caught, but for some reason that is not working [09:32] odd [09:33] seb128: let me look at it a little bit more === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3 [09:46] hi all [09:47] hey rickspencer3 [09:51] good morning rickspencer3 [09:51] hey pitti [09:51] hi pitti [09:52] * seb128 kicks update-manager [09:52] seb128: bad mood today ;) [09:53] "this action will require installing packages from a non authentificated source" [09:53] then it sends me back to the summary screen without letting me a chance to say that's ok [09:54] mvo, heh, no, just no making friends with some softwares, sorry it's yours ;-) [09:54] I just have the firefox security ppa configured, it's not a reason to refuse to do any upgrade :p [09:57] seb128: sounds like two new bugs for me then [09:57] mvo, I'm sorry, I'm sure you already have enough of those [09:57] * seb128 hugs mvo [09:57] seb128: please add them to LP and target for the next alpha [09:58] I'm pretty sure I added the mozilla ppa the official way, ie using software-properties [09:58] seb128: oh? [09:58] I'm wondering why it thinks it's not authentificated [09:58] seb128: could you please check /var/lib/apt/lists then ? for *.gpg ? [09:58] it should still support a override [09:58] $ ls /var/lib/apt/lists/*gpg [09:58] /var/lib/apt/lists/ddebs.ubuntu.com_dists_maverick_Release.gpg [09:58] not much [09:59] $ ls /var/lib/apt/lists/*gpg | wc -l [09:59] 8 [09:59] after an apt-get update [09:59] go figure [09:59] /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_ubuntu-mozilla-security_ppa_ubuntu_dists_lucid_Release.gpg [09:59] it's there now [10:00] mvo, ok, my fault [10:00] mvo, I did cancel the "check" action from update-manager to see how that was handled [10:00] which wiped the gpg files apparently [10:00] I just tried again [10:00] $ ls /var/lib/apt/lists/*gpg [10:00] $ [10:01] woah, now they are all gone? [10:01] anything in partial? [10:01] $ ls /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ [10:01] archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_lucid-proposed_Release.gpg [10:01] archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-i386_Packages [10:02] mvo, ^ [10:02] hum [10:02] sorry I was in another state [10:02] so yeah, I've a mix of things in the directory and in partial [10:03] I've those in partial now [10:03] ddebs.ubuntu.com_dists_maverick_Release.gpg [10:03] ppa.launchpad.net_software-store-developers_ppa_ubuntu_dists_lucid_Release.gpg [10:03] ppa.launchpad.net_ubuntu-mozilla-security_ppa_ubuntu_dists_lucid_Release.gpg [10:03] and none in /var/lib/apt/lists [10:03] mvo, anyway I will open a bug about the issue when you have an unauthentified source that can still happen and is a bug [10:04] the "cancel update-manager update" issue is getting what I deserved for trying to break the software :p [10:04] seb128: thanks [10:04] seb128: well, that is still a bug :/ [10:04] seb128: the other one [10:04] seb128: it should revert cleanly [10:04] right [10:04] also it displays "check your internet" on cancel [10:38] seb128 - i'll try not to upload too many big packages today ;) [10:38] chrisccoulson, thanks ;-) [10:38] how are you? [10:38] seb128 - i'm good thanks, how are you? [10:38] I'm fine thank you [10:39] i got the firefox uploads done overnight, so they should be finished soon hopefully [10:43] Apparently GCalctool is already using GSettings, which is unavailable still: bug #602175 [10:43] Launchpad bug 602175 in gcalctool (Ubuntu) "gcalctool crashed with signal 5 in g_object_newv() (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602175 [10:43] I got the updated version for lucid this morning [10:43] qense, how unavailable? [10:43] qense, it's in glib 2.25 [10:43] seb128: Oh, then it is a packaging mistake since it can't file the scheme. [10:44] what scheme? [10:44] "GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.gcalctool' is not installed" [10:44] It never starts. [10:44] do you have libglib2.0-bin installed? [10:45] yes I have [10:45] ls /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas [10:45] gschema.dtd org.gnome.gcalctool.gschema.xml [10:45] seems the trigger didn't work for you for some reason [10:46] strange [10:46] seb128: can you confirm the issue yourself? Please note that it wasn't me who reported bug #602175 [10:46] Launchpad bug 602175 in gcalctool (Ubuntu) "gcalctool crashed with signal 5 in g_object_newv() (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602175 [10:46] qense, sudo glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas [10:47] qense, no, I've a gschemas.compiled there and it starts [10:47] see /var/lib/dpkg/info/libglib2.0-bin.postinst [10:47] I can run gcalctool now indeed. [10:48] not sure why the trigger didn't work for you [10:48] I didn't do that upgrade so I didn't tweak locally [10:48] "glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas || true" is in there [10:48] the trigger worked for me [10:48] weird [10:48] I will try on another box [10:48] ok === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless === kenvandine_ is now known as kenvandine [11:18] hmmm, weird. i've been trying to figure out why xulrunner applications on karmic load the oldest GRE on the system, but on all other ubuntu releases they are loading the newest GRE [11:18] and it's because readdir() behaves differently :-/ [11:18] and returns files in a different order [11:18] strange === Keybuk_ is now known as Keybuk === DrPepperKid is now known as MacSlow === jussi is now known as Guest7125 === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann-away === DrPepperKid is now known as MacSlow [12:22] mvo, is there a way to see what triggers got triggered during and update-manager installation [12:23] seb128: /var/log/apt/term.log should show you that [12:24] mvo, thanks [12:24] mvo, do you use maverick? did you upgrade today yet? [12:31] weird, the log suggests it didn't trigger but it works when doing a dpkg -i from the deb === jussi01 is now known as jussi === oubiwann-away is now known as oubiwann [12:38] seb128: I use maverick, but haven't upgraded today [12:38] seb128: what trigger is that? [12:39] mvo, the gcalctool update should trigger libglib2.0-bin [12:39] it installs a schemas in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas [12:39] seb128: ok, let me try to reproduce [12:39] mvo, we got several bugs from users where the new version crash because the trigger doesn't run [12:40] and I can confirm it didn't work on one of my box [12:40] but it did in my laptop [12:40] mvo, thanks [12:42] seb128: could it be a ordering problem? gcalctool gets installed before the new libglib2.0-bin with the trigger? [12:42] (assuming the trigger is something new) [12:42] or not strict dependency and libglib2.0-bin stays at a older version [12:43] seb128: Robert's last upload of nautilus re-enabled the patch and bug #508890 is back [12:43] mvo, no [12:43] Launchpad bug 508890 in nautilus (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "Nautilus crashes when there are multiple XScreens (affects: 31) (dups: 8) (heat: 215)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/508890 [12:43] bratsche: ^^ [12:43] tseliot, I did re-enable that early in the cycle yes [12:43] seb128: just tried it, libglib2.0-bin is triggered for me [12:43] tseliot, read the changelog? [12:43] seb128: it wasn't a question [12:43] tseliot, well we know about it yes [12:43] I found that out in the changelog [12:44] mvo, :-( [12:44] seb128: I hope there are plans to fix it [12:45] tseliot, you are welcome to send a patch if you have one [12:45] tseliot, as with any bug we would like to fix it yes but we have limited ressources and high number of bugs [12:45] tseliot, I'm not sure what is the purpose of this discussion... [12:46] we have 18 bugs open with the gtk-csd tag right now [12:46] we do intend to fix those at the best of our capacity [12:46] seb128: I might look into the issue but I'm pretty busy with other work. we'll see [12:46] mvo: It's not an ordering problem. I was having the bug after I received an updated for gcalctool, but libglib2.0-bin was already installed and up-to-date. [12:46] tseliot, thanks [12:46] * tseliot -> lunch [12:47] qense: thanks [12:47] tseliot, but if the question was "why did we renable it" it's because we enabled rgba in gtk and that's needed to have nautilus tow ork [12:47] mvo: bug numer is bug #602175 [12:48] Launchpad bug 602175 in gcalctool (Ubuntu) "glib-compile-schemas trigger not run after installation GCalctool (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602175 [12:48] mvo, same on my mini which had the bug, libglib2.0-bin was upgraded on jun 25 [12:49] seb128, qense: could you attach the term.log please? [12:49] or the releavent bits of it [12:49] what would be revelant? [12:49] ok [12:49] I see gcalctool being configured with a bunch of other binaries === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:50] then some triggers are run but not the libglib2.0-bin one [12:50] but there is no error nor anything [12:50] same here [12:51] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/459788/ [12:52] mvo: ^ [12:53] DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --disable-scrollkeeper --disable-schemas-compile [12:53] That is in the rules file [12:54] mvo, seb128: Would the last flag prevent compiling the schemas? [12:54] qense: interessting, I wonder if that is reproducable with "5.31.3-0ubuntu1" to the current version [12:54] i.e. if downgrade (or remove) and then upgrade triggers it again [12:54] (or not :) [12:54] I already ran the compile command manually. [12:55] not sure if that would interfere. [12:56] qense, no, the rules is used a build time [12:56] it's to say to not compile the schemas when building the deb [12:56] ok [12:56] the compilation is made at installation time by the trigger [12:56] seb128: and the trigger should be automatically triggered when a file is placed in a directory, and the script watching that is not in this package, rigth? [12:56] mvo, let me try, the trigger is triggered when doing a dpkg -i or apt-get install --reinstall of the deb [12:57] qense, correct [12:57] mvo: I'm now downloading 5.31.3-0ubuntu1 and will see what happens. [12:57] mvo, I'm wondering if that's due to what Josselin wrote in the debian bug [12:57] hum, forgot that [12:57] debian bug #587661 [12:57] Debian bug 587661 in glib2.0 "should install glib-compile-schemas in libglib2.0-bin" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/587661 [12:58] "Note that the syntax for the trigger is incorrect since several triggers [12:58] can be passed at once, separated by spaces but all in $2 (which is not [12:58] very intuitive)." [12:58] [12:58] but that's the issue there, the log suggests it didn't trigger at all [12:58] Otherwise we'd have gotten an error message? [12:58] no [12:58] ok [12:59] What about "Another comment, just so that it’s not forgotten: I haven’t checked [12:59] where compiled schemas are put when glib-compile-schemas is run, but [12:59] they should be purged in the postrm." [12:59] seb128: you mean "Note that the syntax for the trigger is incorrect since several triggers" ? [12:59] mvo, right, cf what I wrote just before [12:59] seb128: that does sound likely actually [12:59] seb128: yeah, we pasted at about the same moment :) [12:59] mvo, well we would still have a "trigger libglib2.0-bin" in the log no? [13:00] but the trigger would not what it should? [13:00] would not *do* [13:00] I do have a trigger for the thing when downgrading! [13:00] Processing triggers for libglib2.0-bin ... [13:00] No schema files found [13:01] and now too when updating [13:01] Processing triggers for libglib2.0-bin ... [13:01] seb128: Could it be related to installation of multiple updates/packages at once? [13:02] yes [13:02] it could [13:03] upgrading gcalctool and installing another package at the same time doesn't trigger the bug [13:03] (it does trigger the trigger) [13:04] did you try installing a package using the gio trigger? [13:04] which is the other glib trigger [13:04] ie gvfs [13:05] There was a gvfs update, iirc. [13:05] there was yes [13:05] I did backport a patch yesterday [13:05] confirmed from my log file there was a gvfs update being installed while I updated gcalctool [13:06] So Josseline is right with the comment? [13:06] he's right in his comment anyway [13:06] but I'm not sure why it would block the trigger [13:06] strange [13:06] I would rather think the trigger would be run but buggy [13:07] ie the postinst would not do all what it should be doing [13:07] mvo, ^ do you see why that would stop the trigger to run at all in such cases? [13:07] ok, getting something to eat, I will check that in a bit [13:07] seb128: I reinstalled gcalctool and all packages with gvfs in it, but the trigger was run. [13:07] seb128: I look at the dpkg code now === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [13:29] kiwinote: hey! I want to rework the appdetails stuff to make it a better abstraction. will you have time to discuss about that in a few minutes? [13:29] mvo: yep, sure [13:30] kiwinote: I looked at your branch, nice progress [13:30] kiwinote: did you see the parser.py and tests for that from apturl? [13:30] kiwinote: probably easy to reuse [13:31] mvo: yep, I had seen the parser, was just going to start looking at tests [13:32] mvo: just a quick question though: is the apt+http protocol something that is used? or can we drop that? [13:37] kiwinote: we can drop it [13:37] its just too risky [13:37] mvo: the things that I still need to do on the branch are write tests for the app_details class, find a way to hide empty parts of the appdetails-gtk view (ie for the 'not found' screen) and then work out what the best places are to put warnings or error such that they are noticable [13:37] mvo: thanks, that was my feeling too [13:38] kiwinote: ok, I will start with the app_details class then [13:38] yep [13:38] re [13:39] seb128: looking at the source it looks like dpkg should print something :/ [13:40] mvo, hum, weird [13:40] let me do another quick session restart to make sure this gdm upload I just did works correctly with non autologin and I'm back to try to figure what happens to those triggers [13:48] re, ok enough restart [13:49] mvo, sorry I wanted to make sure that gdm update was ok [13:49] mvo, so I was thinking, the directory is new, would the trigger work if it's only created during the install? [13:50] mvo, I've the feeling libglib -bin should ship that dir as empty [13:51] mvo, ie the dir was not on disk before that upgrade on the box which has the issue, does setting a trigger on a dir not created yet works? [13:51] seb128: that makes sense! [13:51] ;-) [13:51] seb128: I bet thats the issue :) [13:51] * mvo hugs seb128 [13:51] * seb128 hugs mvo back [14:04] * kenvandine waves [14:05] hey kenvandine, how are you? did you have nice holidays? [14:05] i did :) [14:05] a week with no computer... is kind of nice [14:05] excellent! [14:05] indeed [14:06] ready to stress about gwibber/facebook :/ [14:06] i see ryan didn't get a fix [14:06] just uploaded tomboy 1.3.1 [14:06] Laney, thanks [14:06] no probs [14:07] kenvandine, did you read the bug about the add button not working pitti assigned you? is that the same fb blocking gwibber issue? [14:07] yeah... that is the same issue [14:07] I was not sure since some people said it started happening with the sru update [14:07] we only display the add button when we get the confirmation it succeeded [14:07] coincidence [14:07] ok [14:08] however... it should do something different in the failure case... but we don't parse the error well [14:08] * kenvandine smacks web scraping [14:08] it's getting late for lucid .1 [14:08] you should make sure to do the sru update this week if you want it there [14:08] yeah... i will jump on ryan as soon as he is awake and find out what is up [14:09] kenvandine, otherwise new empathy landed to maverick and should have what you need to work on your tpapprover spec [14:09] cool [14:09] seb128, well does telepathy-glib include the vapi file? [14:10] $ dmesg | grep segfault | cut -d' ' -f2 | sed -e 's/\[.*//' | sort | uniq -c [14:10] 1635 gwibber-service [14:10] *sigh* [14:10] segfaults from gwibber-service? [14:10] oh, i bet timeouts in the processing pool [14:10] kenvandine, seems not but I'm sure we can fix that [14:10] ok [14:11] seb128, i'll look at that today [14:11] fta2, you have a facebook account configured right? [14:11] kenvandine, nope, just 1 identica acct [14:11] kenvandine, thanks [14:11] fta2, do you have failures for facebook-images in ~/.cache/gwibber/gwibber.log [14:11] fta2, oh... interesting [14:11] fta2, please file a bug and attach that log file [14:13] kenvandine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/459821/ [14:14] fta2, ok.. and all you have is one account, identi.ca? [14:14] kenvandine, yes === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:14] python multiprocessing TimeoutError didn't use to cause segfaults... but recently they started to [14:14] not sure why [14:15] (that's in lucid) [14:15] usually it was facebook calls for images hanging [14:15] but using gwibber daily [14:15] ok [14:15] i'll have to look at what ryan did while i was at the beach :) [14:16] fta2, what revision? [14:16] (it happened during the w-e, i was off, and it spammed my mailbox) [14:16] kenvandine, 2.31.2~bzr750 [14:16] ok, thx [14:18] eek... 119.8M API errors from facebook in the past week [14:18] sigh... we have got to fix that [14:20] mvo: what are we expected to do with apturls like 'apt:pkg?section=multiverse?section=universe' (one of the testcases)? [14:21] mvo: it seems a bit messy to enable both components? Would it be acceptable to only look at the first section tag? [14:22] kiwinote: there are some dependencies in multiverse that require universe [14:22] kiwinote: so just enabling multiverse is not enough, it requires universe [14:22] mvo: aah, ok, that makes sense then [14:22] ok [14:22] :) [14:22] mvo: thanks [14:22] np [14:26] kenvandine, hi! Empathy 2.31.4 that I released last week now properly implement the Approver API so it should be fine for you work on the indicator applet [14:26] cassidy, saw that... thanks! [14:29] cassidy, hey, the new empathy has been uploaded to maverick now btw [14:29] yeah, I saw. thanks! [14:54] kiwinote: please check lp:~mvo/software-center/appdetails-in-db and let me know what you think. I want to move all the knowledge from the appdetailsview into db.application "Application" and "AppDetails" [14:55] kiwinote: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvo/software-center/appdetails-in-db/annotate/head:/test/test_database.py is probably the interessting bit [15:02] mvo: looks good. I like it that the Application() is also in there [15:02] mvo: for the appdetails, in which ways do you want it to be different than my appdetails or mmcg's appsource? [15:02] kiwinote: cool, I work a bit more on it and push the next rev, I hope that make the mess a bit less messy ;) [15:05] kiwinote: just moving it outside of the view class/directory, otherwise its going to be very similar afaics [15:05] kiwinote: and using properties, but I guess that is about it [15:06] mvo: I currently have a AppDetails class in the db directory and mmcg has a seperate appsource class in his appdetailsviewgtk branch which can easily be moved [15:06] kiwinote: hm, thinking about it it is maybe better to leave the getters as the mmcg code is already working with them [15:06] mvo: yeah, I wasn't sure whether to use properties or not.. [15:07] kiwinote: in what way is yours different from mmcgs ? [15:09] mvo: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/459847/ [15:09] mvo: from yesterday ^ [15:10] mvo: I don't mind which class we use, it just seems a bit odd for three of us to be making seperate classes for the same thing [15:12] kiwinote: absolutely, shows that there is a dire need to get it into trunk, I will use yours, rename to AppDetials (if you don't mind) and we need to add some tests [15:13] mvo: sure, I don't mind if you change things (also if you want getters/setters) [15:13] kiwinote: thanks! I like properties better I think [15:13] mvo: once the class has stabilized a bit between our needs, I don't mind writing the tests for it [15:19] kiwinote: ok, so I think best to merge it over now so that we have a interface that is common to all branches [15:21] mvo: indeed, the main thing you'll need to watch out for is that my class relies on the Application() having a request attribute for the gdebi and apturl features [15:21] kiwinote: ok [15:21] <^arky^> hi mvo [15:23] hey ^arky^ [15:23] <^arky^> Enjoying the hot weather in Germany [15:25] :) [15:26] <^arky^> mvo: Will software-center move over to pygtk away from webkit ? [15:26] ^arky^: for some stuff, it will still use it as a fallback [15:28] hi kiwinote! \o [15:29] hi tremolux! [15:29] hey tremolux [15:29] hey mvo! [15:29] <^arky^> mvo: I have looking at a11y of software-center for a while now [15:30] <^arky^> mvo: the only bug I find hard to fix is the sidebar a11y, can you take that up ? [15:33] ^arky^: thanks a lot for keeping an eye in a11y for us, it's a great help [15:34] <^arky^> tremolux: yw [15:34] ^arky^: do you have a bug # for the sidebar issue? [15:35] * tremolux looks [15:35] <^arky^> tremolux: sure jam [15:35] <^arky^> tremolux: bug 599046 [15:35] Launchpad bug 599046 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Side pane navigation are read "Page" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599046 [15:36] <^arky^> tremolux: I can provide accerciser output to help you debug the problem if you need [15:36] kiwinote: I pushed a new revision that is just a skeleton interface. does that look suitable? if so I think we should fill the skeletong with live and port the the code over to it (probably trivial as its very close to the one you have). I don't want to merge the full deb_file support just now as it touches a lot of stuff [15:37] looking [15:38] mvo: yep, that looks good [15:40] kiwinote: great, thanks! I like your PKG_STATE_* stuff btw [15:40] mvo: that came from mmcg originally ;) [15:40] heh :) ok, I should pass it on then I guess .) [15:45] mvo: just looking back at the appdetails stuff, I used title/subtitle, you may or may not want to rename them, also it may be a good idea to introduce the error/warning into the skeleton, so that they can be used for appdetailsview-gtk stuff, instead of just plonking them in the description [15:46] kiwinote: I have not made up my mind about title/subtitle yet, but error/warning is a good idea [15:47] ^arky^: thanks, please do if it's convenient [15:51] <^arky^> tremolux: will attach it to the bug [15:51] ^arky^: thanks a lot! === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [15:53] <^arky^> tremolux: :) [16:08] <^arky^> tremolux: attached a debug output from accerciser to the bug [16:10] ^arky^: awesome, thx! I will look at that one, thanks for raising it [16:11] kiwinote: and yet another version [16:11] <^arky^> tremolux: a question how do I get the ratings enabled ? I wanted to test them [16:11] kiwinote, tremolux: I need to take a break for ~1h, feel free to fill in the gaps :) [16:15] ^arky^: hmm, it may not be worth spending the effort on ratings presently as we are currently not targeting ratings support in maverick [16:16] <^arky^> tremolux: I see, good to know that [16:16] * rickspencer3 ducks [16:17] seb128: hey so I spent some time with shotwell to do my fireworks pics yesterday [16:17] jcastro, oh, tell us! [16:18] I think it's getting much better, etc., but I don't think it's ready to take over yet [16:18] like, there was no obvious way to go to the "browse collection" view [16:18] * mvo waves and takes a break [16:18] also import was pretty time consuming v. f-spot [16:18] (I didn't measure it exactly) [16:19] kiwinote: I hope it makes merging easy for you and gives us something easy and extensible for the future [16:20] mvo: yep, it should help both mmcg and myself to merge against [16:22]