[01:23] <ryanakca> Whoever last merged a package made all of the changes inline. Is it better to lug around inline patches or can I add quilt to debian/control and manage them there?
[01:24] <micahg> ryanakca: if debian doesn't have a patch system, then it's better to make them inline to make the delta smaller
[01:24] <ScottK> ryanakca: If Debian doesn't have a patch system, don't add one.
[01:26] <ryanakca> *nod*, thanks
[01:30] <micahg> directhex: ping re moonlight 3 preview
[05:47] <abhi_nav> shadeslayer, you there?
[07:11] <huats> morning
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[07:57] <maxwellian> Morning!
[12:33] <dholbach> geser: are you guys going to mail av and emgent about their expired membership?
[13:52] <tumbleweed> what's the best way to deal with init script race conditions? daemon tries to start before networking is up - LP: #358298
[13:56] <tumbleweed> I don't see how I can get a normal init script to wait until something more than lo is up, I have to port it to upstart. right?
[15:09] <dholbach> Laney, stefanlsd: how are you guys doing?
[15:23] <dholbach> Laney, stefanlsd: what do we do about the work items in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-packaging-docs? would you like to retarget some of those work items?
[15:56] <Laney> dholbach: I'm going to find some time to work on it soon
[15:56] <Laney> probably in conjunction with my udw stuff
[15:56]  * dholbach hugs Laney
[15:56] <dholbach> fantastico
[15:56] <dholbach> Laney: so the general split into milestones seems to be OK to you?
[15:56] <dholbach> if not, feel free to readjust
[15:57] <Laney> looks alright, but I guess I'll find out when I come to do it
[15:58] <dholbach> alrightie, just let me know
[15:58] <dholbach> thanks a lot!
[15:58] <dholbach> the discussions with ubuntu-doc are going quite well too
[15:58] <dholbach> j1mc is helping a lot and quite keen to keep helping with this
[16:00] <Laney> cool!
[16:35] <dholbach> geser: are (any of) you guys going to mail av and emgent about their expired membership?
[16:36] <geser> dholbach: will bring it up at the end of the (current) DMB meeting to see who volunteers
[16:36] <dholbach> thanks a lot!
[16:48] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ikiwiki/+bug/593385 => somebody cares to sponsor second merge ? its small update :)
[17:38] <nigelb> Rhonda: congrats!
[17:38] <Rhonda> On what?
[17:39] <Rhonda> There is still vote(s) missing. :)
[17:40] <Rhonda> … if that's what you refer to.
[17:40]  * shadeslayer wonders whats going on
[17:40] <nigelb> shadeslayer: Rhonda applied for motu... right?
[17:40] <nigelb> Rhonda: you'll get there :)
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ohhhh
[17:40] <shadeslayer> Rhonda: ++
[17:40] <hyperair> Rhonda: you weren't already a MOTU?!
[17:41]  * hyperair thought Rhonda became MOTU long before me..
[17:41] <shadeslayer> ^^ that happens sometimes :P
[17:41] <hyperair> congrats anyway =)
[17:42] <Rhonda> hyperair: nigelb thought so last week, too. ;)
[17:42] <hyperair> heheh
[17:42] <nigelb> Rhonda: I thought so a few weeks back too
[17:42] <Rhonda> baby, off
[17:43] <hyperair> nigelb: and last week as well? ;-)
[17:44] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: what sectors are you interested in Ubuntu development to work?
[17:45] <shadeslayer> btw... anyone around who can upload to main?
[17:49] <nigelb> shadeslayer: take a look at [Ubuntu-bugcontrol] Bug Control Application
[17:49] <nigelb> 				
[17:49] <nigelb> 	Inbox		X	
[17:49] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[17:49] <nigelb> grr
[17:49] <nigelb> sorry
[17:49] <shadeslayer> nigelb: np
[17:50] <nigelb> shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev
[17:50] <nigelb> that was what I meant to paste ;)
[17:50] <shadeslayer> nigelb: :)
[17:50] <shadeslayer> nigelb: leftover cruft :P
[17:50] <nigelb> heh
[17:50] <shadeslayer> thats what happens when you use kubuntu 9.10!
[17:50] <shadeslayer> wait.. 9.04!
[17:51]  * shadeslayer hunts ubuntu core dev's
[17:51] <shadeslayer> oh Tonio_ is one :D
[18:11] <ari-tczew> dupondje, shadeslayer: patience!
[18:11] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: 0_o
[18:11] <shadeslayer> reagarding...
[18:12] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: waiting for sponsorship
[18:13] <shadeslayer> shadeslayer: uh.. i actually want to know if theres a desktopcouch channel ;) .. i can ask them if its alright if we add that dep :D
[18:13] <shadeslayer> ( see #ubuntu-devel )
[18:14] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: Naturally the pkg-games area, but I do regular QA work in different areas, especially when people ask me for my opinion or to have a look.
[18:14] <nigelb> (its a cover to say "I'm everywhere :p)
[18:14] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: I remember your person and I'm amazed that you've uploaded only 1 package to Ubuntu! :)
[18:15] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: are you interested in sponsoring?
[18:15] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: only 1 package ?? :o
[18:16] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/~rhonda/+uploaded-packages
[18:16] <Rhonda> damn you, launchpad ;)
[18:17] <shadeslayer> Rhonda: how come?
[18:17] <Rhonda> Hmm. I wonder why that turns up in there at all anyway?
[18:17] <Rhonda> Ah, I think I know. I did do the FFE and Scott did ACK it, so it has my name attached to it. :)
[18:18] <shadeslayer> FFE?
[18:18] <Rhonda> shadeslayer: Well, most of my uploads go in through regular syncs, so that's not too surprising.
[18:18] <ari-tczew> FeatureFreeze?
[18:18] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:18] <BlackZ> Feature Freeze Exception
[18:18] <shadeslayer> Rhonda: ah.. :P
[18:18] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: Actually I think it would had been an DIE
[18:19] <Rhonda> … if that acronym exists. Debian Import Exception? ;)
[18:19]  * shadeslayer knows that
[18:19] <shadeslayer> +one
[18:19] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: DebianImportFreeze DIF is done.
[18:19] <Rhonda> shadeslayer: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=rhonda@debian.at speaks a bit more about my packages than launchpad.
[18:20] <shadeslayer> ooh nice
[18:20] <nigelb> Rhonda: it doesn't speak abut the other awesome stuff you do at debian :)
[18:20] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: I know, that's why I already had sent a syncrequest for gitolite which was approved.
[18:20]  * shadeslayer finds debian people awesome... 
[18:21] <Rhonda> nigelb: Don't flatter me too much. I know what you are aiming for. ;)
[18:21] <nigelb> haha
[18:21] <shadeslayer> lulz
[18:21] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: you didn't aswer me: are you interested in sponsoring?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> nigelb: aiming for debian packager?
[18:22] <nigelb> shadeslayer: oh yes!
[18:22] <nigelb> shadeslayer: as soon as I can find the time to spare
[18:22] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:22] <BlackZ> ari-tczew: everyone who joins the Ubuntu Sponsor team is interested in the sponsoring from the works of people which can't upload to the ubuntu archive IMHO, so you will see if she will join
[18:22] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: Probably, but I have a three and a half year old baby, and as nigelb pointed out, "other awsome stuff" does call for its time too, so it's better to be patient if you want to stick with me. :)
[18:23] <BlackZ> s/Sponsor/Sponsors
[18:23] <BlackZ> (BTW, we still don't know! :P)
[18:25] <ari-tczew> Rhonda is she? please forgive me if this question is a trouble
[18:25] <BlackZ> AFAIK
[18:25] <nigelb> ari-tczew: to quote Rhonda "its complicated"
[18:25] <Rhonda> Hmm, where is my venusenvy shirt link. :)
[18:26]  * ari-tczew is confused
[18:27] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: http://www.venusenvycomic.com/images/shop/warning.png
[18:27] <BlackZ> ahah :P
[18:27] <maco2> Rhonda: nice!
[18:27] <Rhonda> The answer to your question depends on wether you ask for gender or sex.
[18:28] <nigelb> Rhonda: nice T :)
[18:28] <ari-tczew> maybe my words are not good selected due to my english level
[18:29] <ari-tczew> and now I don't understand nothing
[18:29] <BlackZ> hey nigelb
[18:30] <nigelb> heya BlackZ :)
[18:30] <Rhonda> nigelb: Unfortunately I haven't got around to order it yet. But it will definitely be one of my favorites because of it's blatant directness. :)
[18:31] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: Do you know the distinction between the term "gender" and the term "sex"?
[18:32] <maco2> Rhonda: i was just explaining the distinction in PM
[18:32] <Rhonda> Ah.
[18:33] <nigelb> Rhonda: Somes directness do make sense :)
[18:34] <ari-tczew> Rhonda please forgive me if you're offended
[18:35] <Rhonda> No, not at all. :)
[18:49] <ari-tczew> 418 packages remaining to merge. hmmm
[18:49] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[18:50] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: any kde packages in them?
[18:50] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: likely yes
[18:50] <ari-tczew> 418 is a number, but real number is lower
[18:50] <ari-tczew> less
[18:50] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:51] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: which page are you viewing?
[18:51] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/multidistrotools/
[18:51] <ari-tczew> I look in main and universe pages
[18:52] <shadeslayer> ooh
[18:52] <ari-tczew> look at field called Outdated in Maverick (Sid version > Maverick version), and Maverick has local changes :
[18:52] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: gotcha
[18:53] <ari-tczew> ;)
[18:53]  * shadeslayer gets to work.. ignores qipmsg package
[18:53] <ari-tczew> I'm glad to see new contributors in maverick devel cycle
[18:54] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: :)
[18:55] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: well.. now kde'ish packages :P
[18:55] <shadeslayer> theres qcalculate tho
[18:55] <ari-tczew> thanks for BlackZ, dupondje, coolbhavi, angelabad and other involved people!
[18:55]  * shadeslayer is afraid of qcalculate
[19:31] <Laney> what package is the python module debian.changelog provided in?
[19:36] <geser> python-debian
[19:38] <Laney> guess mine isn't new enough then
[19:38]  * Laney installs from m
[19:38] <geser> it was renamed from debian_bundle to debian (the python module)
[19:39] <Laney> ah
[19:39] <Laney> was trying to use udt from bzr on lucid
[19:39] <Laney> that'll be it then
[19:39] <geser> yes
[19:40] <james_w> might be worth making it a conditional import
[19:49] <geser> that wouldn't be enough, as only the new python-debian version has an iterator the the changelog which is used in the code
[19:49] <geser> previously an internal member was used for this
[21:01] <vish> hi ,this package was just brought to my attention: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pornview  , the app name probably might be a bit wonky , not sure if is this allowed in Ubuntu ?
[21:03] <Rhonda> The app name is really a bit disturbing, but the program itself is a quite decent image viewer from what I've heard.
[21:04] <vish> what can be done here? are we allowed to rename it.. ?
[21:05] <Rhonda> There was once this sex package.
[21:05]  * Rhonda . o O ( Simple Editor for X )
[21:05] <shadeslayer> afaik we still have to make a transitional package for the new package name
[21:07] <vish> Rhonda: purity-off  ?
[21:07] <vish> hrmm , we have odd packages!
[21:08] <Rhonda> Sure, there is more things to be found that people might be offended by. I'm though not sure wether this crusade really would gain much positive outcome.
[21:08] <Laney> why shouldn't it be allowed? plenty of things are potentially offensive
[21:09] <Rhonda> vish: For an interesting approach to a not totally unrelated issue you might want to read a recent thread on debian-devel. Or not.
[21:10] <Laney> about that license?
[21:10] <Rhonda> Depending on your opinion you might consider it highly entertaining, weirdly disturbing or offensive.
[21:10] <Rhonda> Yes, the one about the Waqf GPL
[21:10] <vish> Laney: i believe such names are not allowed according to CoC..  Not sure , thats why I'm asking here ;)
[21:10] <Laney> I didn't know the CoC applied to packages
[21:10] <Laney> ... or Debian maintainers
[21:11] <Rhonda> vish: The packages aren't guided by the CoC.
[21:11] <maco2> the "hotbabe" package was removed for being offensive, wasnt it?
[21:11] <Rhonda> No.
[21:11] <Rhonda> It never was _accepted_, to start off with.
[21:11] <maco2> oh
[21:11] <Rhonda> Also, it was said to be rejected for being too buggy.
[21:12]  * Rhonda . o O ( ftp master tried everthing he can but the picture didn't change in the way it was meant to )
[21:12] <maco2> haha
[21:12] <Rhonda> … that's the inofficial reason for the reject, mind you. :)
[21:14] <Rhonda> Hmm, or not that inofficial, it seems.
[21:15] <Rhonda> maco2: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=77;bug=283578
[21:15] <vish> debian sounds like a fun place :D
[21:16] <Rhonda> At times it is. Otherwise there wouldn't be so much people still sticking with it through all these flame wars.
[21:19] <vish> oh well , mpt will probably read the comments and try to get that name fixed ;)
[21:24] <dupondje> np ari-tczew  :)
[21:25] <ari-tczew> dupondje: lately I'm lack active on irc, but I remember that we need to finish fix asterisk security issue
[21:28] <dupondje> true true :)
[21:31] <ari-tczew> micahg: congratz due to get Mozilla Package Set
[21:31] <micahg> ari-tczew: thanks
[21:36] <ari-tczew> micahg: can we fix libjdic-java before FeatureFreeze?
[21:37] <micahg> ari-tczew: when's feature freeze, I plan to have my merges done by alpha3
[21:37] <micahg> ari-tczew: good, it's a week after alpha 3 :)
[21:39] <ari-tczew> micahg: even if you won't fix it before FF, I think that it can get into ubuntu due to fix FTBFS
[21:40] <micahg> ari-tczew: current version in Ubuntu shouldn't be FTBFS
[21:41] <ari-tczew> micahg: right, current no. Debian's FTBFs.
[21:42] <micahg> ari-tczew: right, so I have to fix the FTBFS to merge :)
[21:43] <ari-tczew> micahg: exactly. I can't fix it.
[21:43] <micahg> ari-tczew: I'll try to figure it out :)
[21:43] <ajmitch> morning
[21:45] <ari-tczew> hello ajmitch
[21:53] <ScottK> vish: I don't think mpt has any special powers to rename packages.
[21:53] <ScottK> If we remove every package that might offend someone from the archive, then a LOT of stuff will have to go.
[21:54] <vish> ScottK: nah , i didnt mean special powers , just that he *might* be more interested in fixing that ;)  [he is vacation so i dont really know if he wants to either :)]
[21:54] <ScottK> vish: There's nothing to fix.
[21:55] <maco2> i think the only thing thatd have the package renamed is if the software itself was renamed
[21:55] <vish> ScottK: oh , so such names are allowed?  There was a comment questioning the availability of this package in SC. so i'm checking how this exists
[21:56] <vish> fwiw , purity-off seems more wonky than this one! ;)
[21:56] <ScottK> vish: Why would they not be allowed?  What rule would you suggest be imposed?
[21:57] <vish> ScottK: I dont know .. hence the doubt. Seemed like something in CoC mentions language of members , but dont know about packages
[21:59] <ScottK> vish: If someone proposed it for default install, then I think it'd be reasonable to apply some filters on the content, but I don't think there's anything in the CoC that would make it reasonable to remove stuff from the archive.  People are free to ignore stuff  they don't like.
[22:01] <vish> cool!
[22:03] <vish> ScottK: thanks for clearing that up.. didnt really know what/how to respond ;)
[22:15] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: ping
[22:15] <maco2> ari-tczew: shadeslayer claims to be sleeping
[22:15] <ari-tczew> maco2: how do you know?
[22:16] <maco2> ari-tczew: because they said so in #kubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-packaging
[22:20] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: please leave kadu merge for me, because I use kadu (national messenger) and I can test it.
[22:21] <ari-tczew> maco2: thanks, I hope that he will read my message.
[22:21] <maco2> ari-tczew: oh he'll be happy to read that! he was saying "now im going to bed before anyone tells me to go do a kadu merge"
[22:22] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer, maco2: don't worry about it. I'm on it.
[22:26] <ari-tczew> ok, going to bed, work tomorrow, cya
[22:57] <dupondje> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeanLouisDupond => Feel free to add some Testimonials :) I'd like to become ubuntu member :)
[22:59] <BlackZ> dupondje: I'd suggest you to apply for contrbuting developer, you will get the ubuntu membership anyway (if you will be approved there), please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#ContribDev
[23:00] <BlackZ> s/contrbuting/contributing
[23:02] <dupondje> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess :)
[23:02] <dupondje> # Ask other developers to endorse your application by adding information to your wiki page. A typical application will have three to five endorsements.
[23:02] <dupondje> so still need it ? ;)
[23:02] <BlackZ> dupondje: please note that the mine is *just* a suggestion, you're free to apply for the ubuntu membership and read what the members of the respective boards say
[23:02] <BlackZ> dupondje: you should follow the ApplicationProcess
[23:03] <BlackZ> or better, you have to, in order to be considered from the DMB
[23:29] <dupondje> BlackZ: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeanLouisDupond/MOTUApplication
[23:35] <dupondje> anyway gtg