| cjohnston | dieki: today is a US holiday so he may be off | 01:43 |
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| MTecknology | cjohnston: the messed up thing is... it's not | 03:25 |
| MTecknology | cjohnston: the holiday is on sunday - but the US decides, "hey, we don't get time off if it's a sunday, that's not fair" | 03:26 |
| cjohnston | MTecknology: i dont disagree.. considering i work christmas day | 04:24 |
| cjohnston | but the US has decided that there are certain holidays that will be considered holidays, and if the day happens to be a weekend, a different day will be designated | 04:25 |
| MTecknology | which is nearly every one of them that falls on a weekend.. | 04:26 |
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| newz2000 | hey all, I'm back | 14:28 |
| newz2000 | had a wonderful holiday. ;-) | 14:28 |
| MTeck | newz2000: cool, mine had too much work | 14:31 |
| newz2000 | MTeck: work = your job or work as in stuff you've been needing a weekend to do? | 14:32 |
| MTeck | job | 14:32 |
| newz2000 | ah, bummer | 14:32 |
| newz2000 | I know some postal carriers who hate long weekends. Apparently they get a big backlog to deal with. | 14:32 |
| newz2000 | And I think they had Sat and Mon off, so it was a long long weekend | 14:33 |
| * popey gently tickles newz2000 with bug 585940 | 14:54 | |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 585940 in ubuntu-website "Text reads "not recommended" for 64-bit (affects: 41) (heat: 209)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585940 | 14:54 |
| newz2000 | popey: I will look at the bug again but I'm pretty sure that's a "won't fix." (for desktop) | 14:55 |
| popey | can you provide a rationale for that? | 14:55 |
| newz2000 | I've asked around and heard confirmation that for many mainstream desktop users, 64b will not provide as user-friendly experience as 32b. Flash being cited as a major contributor to that issue. | 14:56 |
| newz2000 | most recently confirmed by cjwatson, whose opinion I hold in high regard | 14:56 |
| popey | well, there's two issues | 14:58 |
| popey | one is whether we recommend 64-bit or not, the other is how we articulate that | 14:58 |
| popey | if one accepts the opinion of cjwatson then we need to frame it in a way that doesn't scare people off, which the current wording does | 14:59 |
| ilmari | newz2000: especially now that adobe have cancelled the 64bit flash beta | 15:00 |
| newz2000 | dieki: thanks for the paste.u.c theme, I've emailed the person who manages that, but he's not on IRC today so maybe on holiday | 15:07 |
| MTeck | This is a little off topic - but my company released a revamped website - we got a >26,000% increase in traffic and basically handled it on 1GB RAM in stride. | 15:29 |
| newz2000 | MTeck: what server-side technology did your website use? | 15:29 |
| MTeck | drupal | 15:30 |
| newz2000 | that's impressive | 15:30 |
| MTeck | not that impressive really :P | 15:31 |
| newz2000 | Drupal can be very ram hungry and can put a lot of strain on mysql w/ only 1G of ram | 15:31 |
| MTeck | our average was <20/day for a long time with the exclusion of a peak of 35 | 15:31 |
| newz2000 | ah | 15:32 |
| MTeck | I tweaked MySQL to cut its ram usage in half - no innodb support | 15:32 |
| MTeck | I took Apache out entirely which saved a lot | 15:32 |
| newz2000 | MTeck: what did you use insteas of apache? | 15:32 |
| MTeck | nginx | 15:32 |
| philinux | Hi anyone active? | 17:30 |
| newz2000 | hi philinux | 17:37 |
| philinux | Hi are you guys involved in maintaining ubuntu.com | 17:38 |
| newz2000 | philinux: in various ways, yes | 17:39 |
| philinux | Ok I emailed the webmaster links regarding the message for 64 bit. Not recommended for daily desktop usage | 17:40 |
| philinux | Was wondering why the message. | 17:41 |
| newz2000 | philinux: I'm webmaster@u.c is anything you've mentioned there diff than what is being discussed with bug 585940? | 17:41 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 585940 in ubuntu-website "Text reads "not recommended" for 64-bit (affects: 41) (heat: 209)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585940 | 17:41 |
| philinux | No I think I emailed before the bug report got made | 17:41 |
| newz2000 | philinux: ubuntu.com is targeted at people who are not yet using ubuntu. Any case for 64b needs to identify how it will help these users by choosing it instead of 32b | 17:43 |
| philinux | Lots of new users have 64 bit machines and 4 gig memory and ask why they can only see 3gig. Comes up a lot on the forums. | 17:44 |
| newz2000 | philinux: I'm going to bring this issue up with the people who chose that wording. Can you add your comments to that bug report so that I can give them one place to read up on it? | 17:45 |
| philinux | Do you know what the official explanation for the wording is? | 17:45 |
| newz2000 | philinux: officially, we find typical users have a less functional system because of poor support for some drivers, flash and (at some point, maybe fixed now) java | 17:45 |
| philinux | Ah ok. Yes flash well 64 bit plugin now pulled I'm using the 32 bit. Java it's mainy applets I think | 17:47 |
| newz2000 | I understand that there is a solution for the memory issue on 4GB systems. I can't remebmer what it is, maybe PAE? | 17:48 |
| philinux | That would be it. I think the problem people have is just the wording on the website. It could be better. | 17:49 |
| newz2000 | I will talk to them about it. | 17:49 |
| philinux | Cheers, i'll post a comment on the bug report | 17:50 |
| newz2000 | thanks philinux | 17:50 |
| philinux | Cheers | 17:50 |
| philinux | Bye for now | 17:54 |
| MTeck | so shaun___ might not be back for a while... I pointed him at some reading to understand the basics of Linux. I'm hoping that'll help him be able to follow the other hundreds of guides out there. | 18:22 |
| newz2000 | well, that's good. Hope he makes progress | 21:08 |
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