[01:43] <cjohnston> dieki: today is a US holiday so he may be off
[03:25] <MTecknology> cjohnston: the messed up thing is... it's not
[03:26] <MTecknology> cjohnston: the holiday is on sunday - but the US decides, "hey, we don't get time off if it's a sunday, that's not fair"
[04:24] <cjohnston> MTecknology: i dont disagree.. considering i work christmas day
[04:25] <cjohnston> but the US has decided that there are certain holidays that will be considered holidays, and if the day happens to be a weekend, a different day will be designated
[04:26] <MTecknology> which is nearly every one of them that falls on a weekend..
[14:28] <newz2000> hey all, I'm back
[14:28] <newz2000> had a wonderful holiday. ;-)
[14:31] <MTeck> newz2000: cool, mine had too much work
[14:32] <newz2000> MTeck: work = your job or work as in stuff you've been needing a weekend to do?
[14:32] <MTeck> job
[14:32] <newz2000> ah, bummer
[14:32] <newz2000> I know some postal carriers who hate long weekends. Apparently they get a big backlog to deal with.
[14:33] <newz2000> And I think they had Sat and Mon off, so it was a long long weekend
[14:54]  * popey gently tickles newz2000 with bug 585940
[14:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 585940 in ubuntu-website "Text reads "not recommended" for 64-bit (affects: 41) (heat: 209)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585940
[14:55] <newz2000> popey: I will look at the bug again but I'm pretty sure that's a "won't fix." (for desktop)
[14:55] <popey> can you provide a rationale for that?
[14:56] <newz2000> I've asked around and heard confirmation that for many mainstream desktop users, 64b will not provide as user-friendly experience as 32b. Flash being cited as a major contributor to that issue.
[14:56] <newz2000> most recently confirmed by cjwatson, whose opinion I hold in high regard
[14:58] <popey> well, there's two issues
[14:58] <popey> one is whether we recommend 64-bit or not, the other is how we articulate that
[14:59] <popey> if one accepts the opinion of cjwatson then we need to frame it in a way that doesn't scare people off, which the current wording does
[15:00] <ilmari> newz2000: especially now that adobe have cancelled the 64bit flash beta
[15:07] <newz2000> dieki: thanks for the paste.u.c theme, I've emailed the person who manages that, but he's not on IRC today so maybe on holiday
[15:29] <MTeck> This is a little off topic - but my company released a revamped website - we got a >26,000% increase in traffic and basically handled it on 1GB RAM in stride.
[15:29] <newz2000> MTeck: what server-side technology did your website use?
[15:30] <MTeck> drupal
[15:30] <newz2000> that's impressive
[15:31] <MTeck> not that impressive really :P
[15:31] <newz2000> Drupal can be very ram hungry and can put a lot of strain on mysql w/ only 1G of ram
[15:31] <MTeck> our average was <20/day for a long time with the exclusion of a peak of 35
[15:32] <newz2000> ah
[15:32] <MTeck> I tweaked MySQL to cut its ram usage in half - no innodb support
[15:32] <MTeck> I took Apache out entirely which saved a lot
[15:32] <newz2000> MTeck: what did you use insteas of apache?
[15:32] <MTeck> nginx
[17:30] <philinux> Hi anyone active?
[17:37] <newz2000> hi philinux
[17:38] <philinux> Hi are you guys involved in maintaining ubuntu.com
[17:39] <newz2000> philinux: in various ways, yes
[17:40] <philinux> Ok I emailed the webmaster links regarding the message for 64 bit. Not recommended for daily desktop usage
[17:41] <philinux> Was wondering why the message.
[17:41] <newz2000> philinux: I'm webmaster@u.c is anything you've mentioned there diff than what is being discussed with bug 585940?
[17:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 585940 in ubuntu-website "Text reads "not recommended" for 64-bit (affects: 41) (heat: 209)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585940
[17:41] <philinux> No I think I emailed before the bug report got made
[17:43] <newz2000> philinux: ubuntu.com is targeted at people who are not yet using ubuntu. Any case for 64b needs to identify how it will help these users by choosing it instead of 32b
[17:44] <philinux> Lots of new users have 64 bit machines and 4 gig memory and ask why they can only see 3gig. Comes up a lot on the forums.
[17:45] <newz2000> philinux: I'm going to bring this issue up with the people who chose that wording. Can you add your comments to that bug report so that I can give them one place to read up on it?
[17:45] <philinux> Do you know what the official explanation for the wording is?
[17:45] <newz2000> philinux: officially, we find typical users have a less functional system because of poor support for some drivers, flash and (at some point, maybe fixed now) java
[17:47] <philinux> Ah ok. Yes flash well 64 bit plugin now pulled I'm using the 32 bit. Java it's mainy applets I think
[17:48] <newz2000> I understand that there is a solution for the memory issue on 4GB systems. I can't remebmer what it is, maybe PAE?
[17:49] <philinux> That would be it. I think the problem people have is just the wording on the website. It could be better.
[17:49] <newz2000> I will talk to them about it.
[17:50] <philinux> Cheers, i'll post a comment on the bug report
[17:50] <newz2000> thanks philinux
[17:50] <philinux> Cheers
[17:54] <philinux> Bye for now
[18:22] <MTeck> so shaun___ might not be back for a while... I pointed him at some reading to understand the basics of Linux. I'm hoping that'll help him be able to follow the other hundreds of guides out there.
[21:08] <newz2000> well, that's good. Hope he makes progress