[01:47] hello all.. very pleased with this distro.. much better than using Gnome or KDE or LXDE [01:50] hi sean-laptop [01:50] i am running Xubuntu on an 8 year old Thinkpad T20 with 512 megs of ram, a PIII 650, a ten gig hard drive, and an old wireless usb dongle.. feels good man [01:50] Raggs, hey! [01:52] glad to see it is working for ya [01:52] i am using a thinkpad too [01:52] Raggs, oh it is.. although i perfer Chromium over Firefox for a browser.. fast! [01:52] Raggs, what kinda thinkpad? [01:52] SL410 [01:52] you can get chromium [01:53] Raggs, yeah i found out on google.. sometimes its easier to use terminal.. i manually added the repositories to my software sources [01:53] sweet [01:54] it works damn great.. i dont wanna bother with Iron.. cause i want to avoid using Wine as much as i can [01:54] you dont sound like a newbie linux user [01:54] Iron? [01:54] Raggs, i learned a bit in the last few months.. cut my teeth on Puppy Linux.. then stepped up to Xubuntu when i upgraded my ram [01:55] nice [01:55] i use ubuntu atm [01:55] with parts of kde i like [01:55] Raggs, Iron is Chrome but its made to run with Wine. it installs wine as a dependancy i believe [01:55] i see, chromium runs with no wine though [01:56] i am running XFCE.. i find its a lot faster then Gnome or KDE on my hardware.,. then again its an 8 year old laptop [01:56] using xchat? [01:56] Raggs, yup [01:56] nice [01:57] i have used maybe 20 distros and think i have settled on ubuntu, or xubuntu [01:57] yeah its a lot like Gnome in its layout.. but its a faster environment.. you can install XFCE in Synaptic.. [01:57] i did already [01:57] i prefer gnome [01:58] and my hardware doesnt mind it [01:58] Raggs, well gnome is slick when you have the hardware to run it lol [01:58] but this is a friendlier channel [01:58] i also installed xubuntu on an old desktop i frankensteined a while ago [01:58] its always evolving but for now it is complete [01:59] i think when i am done with this install it will be frankenbuntu [01:59] its got partrs that i had laying around and even parts i found at the dump when i was offloading garbage form when i was doing spring cleanup on my land [01:59] nice [01:59] even made / stole a wallpaper [02:00] Raggs, nice.. i usually have daft punk for mine.. [02:00] daft punk? [02:00] well to tell you.. the ram and power supply came from the dump.. ethernet card too [02:00] daft ppunk is an electro group from france [02:00] my mother had a dead tower that i got the video card and dvd burner from [02:01] my wallpaper, still working on it http://omploader.org/vNHVrMQ [02:01] tower itself i had laying around.. celeron 667 that i upgraded to a 950 [02:01] niiice [02:01] well i am still learning Gimp.. so i am still fooling around with it myself [02:02] Gimps not bad, i took a photoshop class that sorta helped [02:02] for my ppower supply i had to use a drill and put in new holes for the supply cause the mount holes originally didnt match [02:02] yeah i am learning on my own [02:03] i have had no computing classes outside of Office 07 (feel dirty saying it) in my trade school as a related required course [02:03] i have a few required classes [02:05] same here.. mostlyt stuff i already took in university lol [02:05] i need java, visual studio C++ and others [02:06] i dunno it i will bother with that yes.. [02:06] i already have welding and automotive under my belt now [02:06] i dont have a choice [02:06] and three years of university [02:06] in the IT industry? [02:06] Informations System major [02:07] oooo well then [02:07] did you need a pre-existing degree for that? [02:08] one day i wanna be a puter geek [02:08] you need a degree to take that in our university in my province [02:08] i have an associated degree in networking [02:09] ooo well then [02:09] nice [02:09] my bud is an admin in the local hospital [02:10] he has to jsut mostly do troubleshooting and plug shit in and allocate it on the server and mac address bullshit [02:10] yep [02:10] i am now following a software design track [02:10] lovely.. he just did a two year trade in his. but i think things work different in our education structure [02:11] trades and certificates take two years and you have to take them at a trade school.. degrees are 4 to 5 and have to be at a university [02:11] i wouldnt mind learning that stuff [02:11] i mostly just fool around with what i have and hack video game systems [02:12] like the wii and ps2 and xbox1 and psp [02:12] do what ya enjoy [02:12] softmods [02:12] oh yeah [02:12] well i am in canada so file sharing is legal.. and so isw downloading games.. kinda.. as long as you dont get caught [02:12] lol [02:12] ;) [02:13] i use the psp for emulators and the xbox for playing movies off my network with XBMC [02:14] i dont game [02:14] oh? i dont too much.. my nephews do. its a great babysitter when you have as many games as a japanese arcade lol [02:18] sean-laptop, i dont watch my neices and nephews [02:20] Raggs, well i am kind of a father figure to them.. we are rather close.. and i am the only one without children among my siblings [02:20] i see, my nearest niece and nephews are near 30 [02:26] sean-laptop, i am a grandfather figure to a little boy [02:33] Raggs, thats always cool [02:33] how old r u then? [02:33] 45 [02:34] nice.. i am 31 lol [02:36] 31 is still young [02:38] yeah it is.. feel old some days [02:38] me too [02:40] yeah but young some days lo [02:40] lol [02:42] true enough [02:43] hence the kids and video games.. they also love the angry video game nerd on youtube.. i showed it to them [02:43] lol [02:45] i hope this distro works well for you [02:46] Raggs, i hope so too.. it has so far.. are you using Lucid? [02:46] yes [02:47] nice.. i am debating trying the beta for Maverick [02:48] when it is released why not [02:48] yeah. the alpha is out now but i am debating still.. but i love lucid .. nice and fast [02:48] and a LTS [02:49] welcome Bitwraith [02:49] is there any way to change the wallpaper besides right clicking the desktop? [02:49] now do you mean the desktop or the login screen wallpaper? [02:50] sean-laptop, either one will work for my purposes [02:50] Bit in settings [02:51] I am using a different window manager, and this one uses a fake root window, so the background in programs like xchat is not the same as the actual background [02:51] well you can set a wallpaper for the desktop just by going to your desired folder where the picture is .. rightclicking it and selecting set as wallpaper [02:52] come to think of it, I had my background set in xfce before, so if that was all I needed then I would not still be having this problem. [02:52] brb sean-laptop [02:52] ok [02:53] BitWraith, so the right click does not give you the option? [02:53] sean-laptop, I don't have that same menu anymore [02:53] and, as I said, I really do need to change the OTHER background [02:54] when I said that either one would work, that was my mistake [02:54] so you are using xfce., but what is your windows manager? [02:55] no, I am not using xfce anymore [02:55] xfce was my old window manager [02:55] I'm actually using E17 now. [02:56] (with Ecomorph, which is unspeakably awesome btw) [02:56] i dont have any experiance with that.. still using Thunar [02:58] the crappy part is almost no one is here at the moment. well no one to respond [02:58] :P [02:59] did you see if there was a forum for E17 or another channel? [03:00] there is #e on this network, they don't seem to know of any way to make E17 set up the background used with psuedo-transparency [03:00] so I'm right back to trying to set it using something other than E [03:01] compositing? [03:01] you mean something other than E or XFCE [03:02] I actually do have compositing, but the type of transparency I am talking about is fake transparency used by apps like xchat [03:02] oh.. well then [03:03] i just use XFCEs compositing.. cause i need it to run Cairo-Dock [03:03] my point is, xchat doesn't use an alpha channel [03:03] that sucks.. [03:04] try a different server? [03:04] so it doesn't matter what compositing I use elsewhere [03:04] ... I'm starting to wonder if I'm talking to a robot [03:04] lol [03:04] lemme see what i can dig up [03:05] you say you are using Ecomorph? [03:05] yes [03:06] ok [03:06] lemme look some more [03:06] try ere? [03:06] i mean try here? [03:06] http://code.google.com/p/itask-module/wiki/EcomorphFaq [03:07] is ecomorph an *ubuntu app? [03:08] not exactly [03:08] I followed these instructions: http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/install-enlightenment-e17-in-ubuntu.html [03:08] they call for me to add a repo that is maintained by the E devs [03:09] well it also said that E17 is not in release yet.. are you uning the alpha? [03:10] sean-laptop, E has been developing 17 for a loooong time [03:10] the word "alpha" has a couple of different meanings in this context. [03:10] yeah i guess.. kinda like Fluxbuntu.. (still only supporting 9.04 yet i think ) [03:11] when I said "alpha" I meant that there is a fourth color channel that controls how opaque or transparent a window is [03:11] BitWraith, but with something like this you could probably get more educated ideas from their channel, if they have one [03:11] yeah i know.. i tried searching.. unless they are on another server [03:11] they do, and I consulted them [03:12] when I tried this on Gentoo, I was able to fix it with esetroot, but you guys don't have a pakcage for that [03:13] gsetroot comes close, but I don't quite have the positioning right yet [03:14] yeah .. no source to compile for esetroot?> [03:14] BitWraith, what did they say when you contacted them? [03:15] i never.. deep googling [03:15] thats how i have to yield most of my info [03:16] they said that E17 doesn't change the fake transparency background, and neither E17 nor xchat set up the alpha channel [03:16] that is helpful [03:17] in other words, what I am trying to do is impossible, unless some other software is added to set up fake transparency [03:17] I finally got gsetroot to work though [03:17] hsetroot i guess might be possible [03:17] yeah it says only ecomorph can do what you are asking from what i read [03:17] ... [03:17] no [03:18] no? [03:18] ecomorph does NOT set up the alpha channel either [03:18] oh sorry my bad [03:18] it only sets up the screen to disply transparent windows... the windows then have to make THEMSELVES partially transparent [03:19] and the folks at E say what you are trying is impossible [03:19] well, I asked them about changing the alpha channel, not about the fake transparency [03:20] fake transparency works, now that I found gsetroot I am using it now [03:20] I wish xchat could set the alpha channel though [03:21] yeah.. try another irc client? [03:39] sean-laptop, good patience [03:40] Raggs, huh? lol [03:40] with BitWraith [03:40] Raggs, i guess so [03:41] thank god i had a beer in hand lol [03:41] he was not very forthcoming with information [03:42] Raggs, yeah.. used to that.. when i was in school last year i was the Site Admin for my local internet communuty access site [03:42] with that and friends needin tech help i am used to cryptic info [03:43] the whole not supported app thing would have ben good to know [03:45] yeah i know.. [03:45] kinda was barking up the wrong tree here [03:45] if he had gotten rid of XFCE then there was no point in coming in here [03:45] thats like going to toyota to get a hyundai fixed [03:46] well it is like shoving a hyundai motor in a toyota and asking toyota to fix it [03:48] my thoughts exactly [03:49] thats like having issues with kde and comin here.. if that was the case then go to #kubuntu [03:49] you would think, or kde [03:50] yeah [03:50] meh.. i guess he realized it was futile after a while [03:50] what got me was him saying that he felt like he was tlaking to a robot [03:50] sean-laptop, i would have stopped then [03:51] Raggs, i guess but i am used to helping the inept [03:51] :P [03:51] but what some do not realize is that a nice google search and some patience can go a long way [03:52] thats how i learned how to install chromium on my own [03:52] sean-laptop, i dont mind helping the inept, being insulted by them irks me however [03:52] long before i came here [03:52] have you ever tried puppy linux? [03:53] it was slackware based then made from scratch.. now its on its own but uses packages from lucid.. its nice and lightweight.. great for old hardware [03:53] i have used puppy [03:53] and yes.. some people do not realize that they should not bite the hand that feeds them [03:53] i have puppy 5 and puppy arcade 8 [03:53] it was Debian based [03:53] puppy arcade is good for emulators [03:55] everything from the spectrum to mame to nintendo.. and even ScummVM [03:55] emulating what? [03:55] only thing that it dont come with are roms [03:57] i am heading out, good talking to ya sean-laptop, hope to chat again, you know where i am [03:58] sure thing pal.. nice meeting you] [07:48] will 10.10 have a new theme? === thoffmeyer is now known as thoffmeyer|AFK [08:13] will 10.10 have a new theme? [11:33] What do you think it is best SMB/samba client to connect and transfer files to/from windows desktop? [11:39] nikolam, i find mounting the samba share (with cifs) work best for me [11:52] ablomen, i want to give eeepc nbook to a girl and I need GUI to give her so she can transfer her files [11:53] ah ehm except for pyneighborhood (which never worked for me) i don't know of any app that let's you browse the network like nautilus does [11:54] but you could try it, have not used it for ages [11:54] or you could install nautilus, but among other problems it will steal your desktop if you are not careful and having two file managers is gonna be kind of confusing [11:56] ablomen: there is gigolo [11:57] TheSheep, yes but that does not browse the network (not here anyway) [11:57] ablomen: strange, I think it should [11:57] might be because i am on 9.10 (which uses gigolo 3.2) [11:58] ehm 0.3.2 [11:59] ah yes 0.4 looks a lot different [11:59] i didn't have problems with nautilus [11:59] nikolam, ok, so like TheSheep suggested, try gigolo (might be called Remote Filesystems in the System menu) [12:00] ah, lol, ok so there is a "Show 'browse network' side panel" setting in gigolo which is turned off (?) in 9.10 [12:01] TheSheep, it does indeed browse the network when you check the option [12:02] hi === jussi is now known as Guest7125 === jussi01 is now known as jussi === simplicity-_ is now known as simplicity- [15:31] bye [16:48] hello. Is there something like Skippy for Gnome and Exposé for OS X for Xubuntu? [16:50] no, if you're not gonna use compiz === thoffmeyer|AFK is now known as thoffmeyer [19:15] I just got to say that this is pretty nifty! A chatlink while installing Xubuntu, what will you think of next?! [23:18] hello guys, what about the bug of the backlight changing under xubuntu? [23:18] is there a solution for that? === ours_en_pluche is now known as ours_en_pluche_p === ours_en_pluche_p is now known as ours_en_pluche