[01:47] <sean-laptop> hello all.. very pleased with this distro.. much better than using Gnome or KDE or LXDE
[01:50] <Raggs> hi sean-laptop
[01:50] <sean-laptop> i am running Xubuntu on an 8 year old Thinkpad T20 with 512 megs of ram, a PIII 650, a ten gig hard drive, and an old wireless usb dongle.. feels good man
[01:50] <sean-laptop> Raggs, hey!
[01:52] <Raggs> glad to see it is working for ya
[01:52] <Raggs> i am using a thinkpad too
[01:52] <sean-laptop> Raggs, oh it is.. although i perfer Chromium over Firefox for a browser.. fast!
[01:52] <sean-laptop> Raggs, what kinda thinkpad?
[01:52] <Raggs> SL410
[01:52] <Raggs> you can get chromium
[01:53] <sean-laptop> Raggs, yeah i found out on google.. sometimes its easier to use terminal.. i manually added the repositories to my software sources
[01:53] <Raggs> sweet
[01:54] <sean-laptop> it works damn great.. i dont wanna bother with Iron.. cause i want to avoid using Wine as much as i can
[01:54] <Raggs> you dont sound like a newbie linux user
[01:54] <Raggs> Iron?
[01:54] <sean-laptop> Raggs, i learned a bit in the last few months.. cut my teeth on Puppy Linux.. then stepped up to Xubuntu when i upgraded my ram
[01:55] <Raggs> nice
[01:55] <Raggs> i use ubuntu atm
[01:55] <Raggs> with parts of kde i like
[01:55] <sean-laptop> Raggs, Iron is Chrome but its made to run with Wine.  it installs wine as a dependancy i believe
[01:55] <Raggs> i see, chromium runs with no wine though
[01:56] <sean-laptop> i am running XFCE.. i find its a lot faster then Gnome or KDE on my hardware.,. then again its an 8 year old laptop
[01:56] <Raggs> using xchat?
[01:56] <sean-laptop> Raggs, yup
[01:56] <Raggs> nice
[01:57] <Raggs> i have used maybe 20 distros and think i have settled on ubuntu, or xubuntu
[01:57] <sean-laptop> yeah its a lot like Gnome in its layout.. but its a faster environment.. you can install XFCE in Synaptic..
[01:57] <Raggs> i did already
[01:57] <Raggs> i prefer gnome
[01:58] <Raggs> and my hardware doesnt mind it
[01:58] <sean-laptop> Raggs, well gnome is slick when you have the hardware to run it lol
[01:58] <Raggs> but this is a friendlier channel
[01:58] <sean-laptop> i also installed xubuntu on an old desktop i frankensteined a while ago
[01:58] <sean-laptop> its always evolving but for now it is complete
[01:59] <Raggs> i think when i am done with this install it will be frankenbuntu
[01:59] <sean-laptop> its got partrs that i had laying around and even parts i found at the dump when i was offloading garbage form when i was doing spring cleanup on my land
[01:59] <sean-laptop> nice
[01:59] <Raggs> even made / stole a wallpaper
[02:00] <sean-laptop> Raggs, nice.. i usually have daft punk for mine..
[02:00] <Raggs> daft punk?
[02:00] <sean-laptop> well to tell you.. the ram and power supply came from the dump.. ethernet card too
[02:00] <sean-laptop> daft ppunk is an electro group from france
[02:00] <sean-laptop> my mother had a dead tower that i got the video card and dvd burner from
[02:01] <Raggs> my wallpaper, still working on it    http://omploader.org/vNHVrMQ
[02:01] <sean-laptop> tower itself i had laying around.. celeron 667 that i upgraded to a 950
[02:01] <sean-laptop> niiice
[02:01] <sean-laptop> well i am still learning Gimp.. so i am still fooling around with it myself
[02:02] <Raggs> Gimps not bad, i took a photoshop class that sorta helped
[02:02] <sean-laptop> for my ppower supply i had to use a drill and put in new holes for the supply cause the mount holes originally didnt match
[02:02] <sean-laptop> yeah i am learning on my own
[02:03] <sean-laptop> i have had no computing classes outside of Office 07 (feel dirty saying it) in my trade school as a related required course
[02:03] <Raggs> i have a few required classes
[02:05] <sean-laptop> same here.. mostlyt stuff i already took in university lol
[02:05] <Raggs> i need java, visual studio C++ and others
[02:06] <sean-laptop> i dunno it i will bother with that yes..
[02:06] <sean-laptop> i already have welding and automotive under my belt now
[02:06] <Raggs> i dont have a choice
[02:06] <sean-laptop> and three years of university
[02:06] <sean-laptop> in the IT industry?
[02:06] <Raggs> Informations System major
[02:07] <sean-laptop> oooo well then
[02:07] <sean-laptop> did you need a pre-existing degree for that?
[02:08] <Raggs> one day i wanna be a puter geek
[02:08] <sean-laptop> you need a degree to take that in our university in my province
[02:08] <Raggs> i have an associated degree in networking
[02:09] <sean-laptop> ooo well then
[02:09] <sean-laptop> nice
[02:09] <sean-laptop> my bud is an admin in the local hospital
[02:10] <sean-laptop> he has to jsut mostly do troubleshooting and plug shit in and allocate it on the server and mac address bullshit
[02:10] <Raggs> yep
[02:10] <Raggs> i am now following a software design track
[02:10] <sean-laptop> lovely.. he just did a two year trade in his. but i think things work different in our education structure
[02:11] <sean-laptop> trades and certificates take two years and you have to take them at a trade school.. degrees are 4 to 5 and have to be at a university
[02:11] <sean-laptop> i wouldnt mind learning that stuff
[02:11] <sean-laptop> i mostly just fool around with what i have and hack video game systems
[02:12] <sean-laptop> like the wii and ps2 and xbox1 and psp
[02:12] <Raggs> do what ya enjoy
[02:12] <sean-laptop> softmods
[02:12] <sean-laptop> oh yeah
[02:12] <sean-laptop> well i am in canada so file sharing is legal.. and so isw downloading games.. kinda.. as long as you dont get caught
[02:12] <sean-laptop> lol
[02:12] <sean-laptop> ;)
[02:13] <sean-laptop> i use the psp for emulators and the xbox for playing movies off my network with XBMC
[02:14] <Raggs> i dont game
[02:14] <sean-laptop> oh? i dont too much.. my nephews do. its a great babysitter when you have as many games as a japanese arcade lol
[02:18] <Raggs> sean-laptop, i dont watch my neices and nephews
[02:20] <sean-laptop> Raggs, well i am kind of a father figure to them.. we are rather close.. and i am the only one without children among my siblings
[02:20] <Raggs> i see, my nearest niece and nephews are near 30
[02:26] <Raggs> sean-laptop, i am a grandfather figure to a little boy
[02:33] <sean-laptop> Raggs, thats always cool
[02:33] <sean-laptop> how old r u then?
[02:33] <Raggs> 45
[02:34] <sean-laptop> nice.. i am 31 lol
[02:36] <Raggs> 31 is still young
[02:38] <sean-laptop> yeah it is.. feel old some days
[02:38] <Raggs> me too
[02:40] <sean-laptop> yeah but young some days lo
[02:40] <sean-laptop> lol
[02:42] <Raggs> true enough
[02:43] <sean-laptop> hence the kids and video games.. they also love the angry video game nerd on youtube.. i showed it to them
[02:43] <sean-laptop> lol
[02:45] <Raggs> i hope this distro works well for you
[02:46] <sean-laptop> Raggs, i hope so too.. it has so far.. are you using Lucid?
[02:46] <Raggs> yes
[02:47] <sean-laptop> nice.. i am debating trying the beta for Maverick
[02:48] <Raggs> when it is released why not
[02:48] <sean-laptop> yeah. the alpha is out now but i am debating still.. but i love lucid .. nice and fast
[02:48] <Raggs> and a LTS
[02:49] <sean-laptop> welcome Bitwraith
[02:49] <BitWraith> is there any way to change the wallpaper besides right clicking the desktop?
[02:49] <sean-laptop> now do you mean the desktop or the login screen wallpaper?
[02:50] <BitWraith> sean-laptop, either one will work for my purposes
[02:50] <Raggs> Bit in settings
[02:51] <BitWraith> I am using a different window manager, and this one uses a fake root window, so the background in programs like xchat is not the same as the actual background
[02:51] <sean-laptop> well you can set a wallpaper for the desktop just by going to your desired folder where the picture is .. rightclicking it and selecting set as wallpaper
[02:52] <BitWraith> come to think of it, I had my background set in xfce before, so if that was all I needed then I would not still be having this problem.
[02:52] <Raggs> brb sean-laptop
[02:52] <sean-laptop> ok
[02:53] <sean-laptop> BitWraith, so the right click does not give you the option?
[02:53] <BitWraith> sean-laptop, I don't have that same menu anymore
[02:53] <BitWraith> and, as I said, I really do need to change the OTHER background
[02:54] <BitWraith> when I said that either one would work, that was my mistake
[02:54] <sean-laptop> so you are using xfce., but what is your windows manager?
[02:55] <BitWraith> no, I am not using xfce anymore
[02:55] <BitWraith> xfce was my old window manager
[02:55] <BitWraith> I'm actually using E17 now.
[02:56] <BitWraith> (with Ecomorph, which is unspeakably awesome btw)
[02:56] <sean-laptop> i dont have any experiance with that.. still using Thunar
[02:58] <sean-laptop> the crappy part is almost no one is here at the moment. well no one to respond
[02:58] <sean-laptop> :P
[02:59] <sean-laptop> did you see if there was a forum for E17 or another channel?
[03:00] <BitWraith> there is #e on this network, they don't seem to know of any way to make E17 set up the background used with psuedo-transparency
[03:00] <BitWraith> so I'm right back to trying to set it using something other than E
[03:01] <sean-laptop> compositing?
[03:01] <sean-laptop> you mean something other than E or XFCE
[03:02] <BitWraith> I actually do have compositing, but the type of transparency I am talking about is fake transparency used by apps like xchat
[03:02] <sean-laptop> oh.. well then
[03:03] <sean-laptop> i just use XFCEs compositing.. cause i need it to run Cairo-Dock
[03:03] <BitWraith> my point is, xchat doesn't use an alpha channel
[03:03] <sean-laptop> that sucks..
[03:04] <sean-laptop> try a different server?
[03:04] <BitWraith> so it doesn't matter what compositing I use elsewhere
[03:04] <BitWraith> ... I'm starting to wonder if I'm talking to a robot
[03:04] <BitWraith> lol
[03:04] <sean-laptop> lemme see what i can dig up
[03:05] <sean-laptop> you say you are using Ecomorph?
[03:05] <BitWraith> yes
[03:06] <sean-laptop> ok
[03:06] <sean-laptop> lemme look some more
[03:06] <sean-laptop> try ere?
[03:06] <sean-laptop> i mean try here?
[03:06] <sean-laptop> http://code.google.com/p/itask-module/wiki/EcomorphFaq
[03:07] <Raggs> is ecomorph an *ubuntu app?
[03:08] <BitWraith> not exactly
[03:08] <BitWraith> I followed these instructions: http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/install-enlightenment-e17-in-ubuntu.html
[03:08] <BitWraith> they call for me to add a repo that is maintained by the E devs
[03:09] <sean-laptop> well it also said that E17 is not in release yet.. are you uning the alpha?
[03:10] <Raggs> sean-laptop, E has been developing 17 for a loooong time
[03:10] <BitWraith> the word "alpha" has a couple of different meanings in this context.
[03:10] <sean-laptop> yeah i guess.. kinda like Fluxbuntu.. (still only supporting 9.04 yet i think )
[03:11] <BitWraith> when I said "alpha" I meant that there is a fourth color channel that controls how opaque or transparent a window is
[03:11] <Raggs> BitWraith, but with something like this you could probably get more educated ideas from their channel, if they have one
[03:11] <sean-laptop> yeah i know.. i tried searching.. unless they are on another server
[03:11] <BitWraith> they do, and I consulted them
[03:12] <BitWraith> when I tried this on Gentoo, I was able to fix it with esetroot, but you guys don't have a pakcage for that
[03:13] <BitWraith> gsetroot comes close, but I don't quite have the positioning right yet
[03:14] <sean-laptop> yeah .. no source to compile for esetroot?>
[03:14] <Raggs> BitWraith, what did they say when you contacted them?
[03:15] <sean-laptop> i never.. deep googling
[03:15] <sean-laptop> thats how i have to yield most of my info
[03:16] <BitWraith> they said that E17 doesn't change the fake transparency background, and neither E17 nor xchat set up the alpha channel
[03:16] <Raggs> that is helpful
[03:17] <BitWraith> in other words, what I am trying to do is impossible, unless some other software is added to set up fake transparency
[03:17] <BitWraith> I finally got gsetroot to work though
[03:17] <Raggs> hsetroot i guess might be possible
[03:17] <sean-laptop> yeah it says only ecomorph can do what you are asking from what i read
[03:17] <BitWraith> ...
[03:17] <BitWraith> no
[03:18] <Raggs> no?
[03:18] <BitWraith> ecomorph does NOT set up the alpha channel either
[03:18] <sean-laptop> oh sorry my bad
[03:18] <BitWraith> it only sets up the screen to disply transparent windows... the windows then have to make THEMSELVES partially transparent
[03:19] <Raggs> and the folks at E say what you are trying is impossible
[03:19] <BitWraith> well, I asked them about changing the alpha channel, not about the fake transparency
[03:20] <BitWraith> fake transparency works, now that I found gsetroot I am using it now
[03:20] <BitWraith> I wish xchat could set the alpha channel though
[03:21] <sean-laptop> yeah.. try another irc client?
[03:39] <Raggs> sean-laptop, good patience
[03:40] <sean-laptop> Raggs, huh? lol
[03:40] <Raggs> with BitWraith
[03:40] <sean-laptop> Raggs, i guess so
[03:41] <sean-laptop> thank god i had a beer in hand lol
[03:41] <Raggs> he was not very forthcoming with information
[03:42] <sean-laptop> Raggs, yeah.. used to that.. when i was in school last year i was the Site Admin for my local internet communuty access site
[03:42] <sean-laptop> with that and friends needin tech help i am used to cryptic info
[03:43] <Raggs> the whole not supported app thing would have ben good to know
[03:45] <sean-laptop> yeah i know..
[03:45] <sean-laptop> kinda was barking up the wrong tree here
[03:45] <sean-laptop> if he had gotten rid of XFCE then there was no point in coming in here
[03:45] <sean-laptop> thats like going to toyota to get a hyundai fixed
[03:46] <Raggs> well it is like shoving a hyundai motor in a toyota and asking toyota to fix it
[03:48] <sean-laptop> my thoughts exactly
[03:49] <sean-laptop> thats like having issues with kde and comin here.. if that was the case then go to #kubuntu
[03:49] <Raggs> you would think, or kde
[03:50] <sean-laptop> yeah
[03:50] <sean-laptop> meh.. i guess he realized it was futile after a while
[03:50] <sean-laptop> what got me was him saying that he felt like he was tlaking to a robot
[03:50] <Raggs> sean-laptop, i would have stopped then
[03:51] <sean-laptop> Raggs, i guess but i am used to helping the inept
[03:51] <sean-laptop> :P
[03:51] <sean-laptop> but what some do not realize is that a nice google search and some patience can go a long way
[03:52] <sean-laptop> thats how i learned how to install chromium on my own
[03:52] <Raggs> sean-laptop, i dont mind helping the inept, being insulted by them irks me however
[03:52] <sean-laptop> long before i came here
[03:52] <sean-laptop> have you ever tried puppy linux?
[03:53] <sean-laptop> it was slackware based then made from scratch.. now its on its own but uses packages from lucid.. its nice and lightweight.. great for old hardware
[03:53] <Raggs> i have used puppy
[03:53] <sean-laptop> and yes.. some people do not realize that they should not bite the hand that feeds them
[03:53] <sean-laptop> i have puppy 5 and puppy arcade 8
[03:53] <Raggs> it was Debian based
[03:53] <sean-laptop> puppy arcade is good for emulators
[03:55] <sean-laptop> everything from the spectrum to mame to nintendo.. and even ScummVM
[03:55] <Raggs> emulating what?
[03:55] <sean-laptop> only thing that it dont come with are roms
[03:57] <Raggs> i am heading out, good talking to ya sean-laptop, hope to chat again, you know where i am
[03:58] <sean-laptop> sure thing pal.. nice meeting you]
[07:48] <robertzaccour> will 10.10 have a new theme?
[08:13] <robertzaccour> will 10.10 have a new theme?
[11:33] <nikolam> What do you think it is best SMB/samba client to connect and transfer files to/from windows desktop?
[11:39] <ablomen> nikolam, i find mounting the samba share (with cifs) work best for me
[11:52] <nikolam> ablomen, i want to give eeepc nbook to a girl and I need GUI to give her so she can transfer her files
[11:53] <ablomen> ah ehm except for pyneighborhood (which never worked for me) i don't know of any app that let's you browse the network like nautilus does
[11:54] <ablomen> but you could try it, have not used it for ages
[11:54] <ablomen> or you could install nautilus, but among other problems it will steal your desktop if you are not careful and having two file managers is gonna be kind of confusing
[11:56] <TheSheep> ablomen: there is gigolo
[11:57] <ablomen> TheSheep, yes but that does not browse the network (not here anyway)
[11:57] <TheSheep> ablomen: strange, I think it should
[11:57] <ablomen> might be because i am on 9.10 (which uses gigolo 3.2)
[11:58] <ablomen> ehm 0.3.2
[11:59] <ablomen> ah yes 0.4 looks a lot different
[11:59] <Sysi> i didn't have problems with nautilus
[11:59] <ablomen> nikolam, ok, so like TheSheep suggested, try gigolo (might be called Remote Filesystems in the System menu)
[12:00] <ablomen> ah, lol, ok so there is a "Show 'browse network' side panel" setting in gigolo which is turned off (?) in 9.10
[12:01] <ablomen> TheSheep, it does indeed browse the network when you check the option
[12:02] <slow-motion> hi
[15:31] <slow-motion> bye
[16:48] <kunsole> hello. Is there something like Skippy for Gnome and Exposé for OS X for Xubuntu?
[16:50] <Sysi> no, if you're not gonna use compiz
[19:15] <xubuntu495> I just got to say that this is pretty nifty! A chatlink while installing Xubuntu, what will you think of next?!
[23:18] <gebjgd> hello guys, what about the bug of the backlight changing under xubuntu?
[23:18] <gebjgd> is there a solution for that?