| mtaylor | thumper: ping | 00:04 |
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| mtaylor | thumper: I have a feature request: ... just like a project can have a devel target branch, I think a project should also be able to have a devel target series and a devel target milestone | 00:05 |
| mtaylor | thumper: so that "file a bug against the current devel target series/milestone" and "target a blueprint to current devel target series/milestone" is really easy | 00:06 |
| mtaylor | I'm bringing this up because we're currently merging a lot of branches with no bug/blueprint associated with them in drizzle | 00:08 |
| mtaylor | but the number of steps I'd be asking someone to go through to add a blueprint aroud merge-request time is sort of redundant | 00:09 |
| mtaylor | what would be great is if an unadorned branch that files a merge request could auto-create a blueprint with the merge-request summary as the blueprint description | 00:10 |
| mtaylor | and that is targetted to the current stuff - so that we've got a paper-trail of what was done without tons of extra dev work | 00:10 |
| mtaylor | thumper: I kept rambling ^^^ | 00:10 |
| mtaylor | also - if there _is_ an associated blueprint, the blueprint desc could be used to pre-fill the merge request desc | 00:12 |
| mtaylor | sort of helping describe a relationship between blueprints and merge-requests | 00:13 |
| lifeless | mtaylor: it has all that | 00:33 |
| lifeless | mtaylor: devel target branch is modeled as 'branch of the devel series' | 00:33 |
| lifeless | mtaylor: but bug targeting (known as infestation) is underdeveloped - we had bad UI experiences in that space. | 00:34 |
| mtaylor | lifeless: well great then | 00:34 |
| mtaylor | lifeless: the "create merge-request from blueprint" or "create blueprint from merge-request" isn't there though, that would be a full-on feature request, yes? | 00:37 |
| lifeless | it would be a patch to do it. | 00:38 |
| lifeless | blueprints are unmaintained at the moment. | 00:38 |
| lifeless | some folk put in slack and weekend time on them | 00:39 |
| lifeless | but if there is something specific you want... :) | 00:39 |
| lifeless | mtaylor: oh, and I'd love to see people caring for this | 00:49 |
| * wgrant would love to see Blueprint put out of its misery. | 00:56 | |
| lifeless | wgrant: one way or another ? | 00:56 |
| lifeless | wgrant: hey, while you're here, let me run something past you | 00:56 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Sure. | 00:57 |
| lifeless | wgrant: seems to me that the package management pages aren't really at home in the http://launchpad.net/* space, and might benefit from being in a dedicated domain like packages.launchpad.net/ | 00:57 |
| lifeless | in the same way that code.* has a more focused UI | 00:57 |
| lifeless | (and bugs etc etc) | 00:57 |
| wgrant | lifeless: It's difficult, because packages are structural. | 00:58 |
| wgrant | Packages *have* bugs. | 00:58 |
| lifeless | not saying that the multi-domain approach is good or bad, just that the soyuz stuff is neither fish nor fowl at the moment, and there is some tension with the registry [metadata only, thanks] goal | 00:58 |
| lifeless | wgrant: so do branches ;) | 00:58 |
| wgrant | Branches are not bug targets. | 00:59 |
| wgrant | But yes, the Registry<-->Soyuz split is rather arbitrary, not done to well, problematic, and otherwise pretty terrible, both code and UI-wise. | 00:59 |
| lifeless | thats true | 00:59 |
| lifeless | wgrant: I would say that Package *names* have bugs | 00:59 |
| lifeless | wgrant: Binary and Source package instances do not. | 01:00 |
| lifeless | [infestation aside] | 01:00 |
| lifeless | wgrant: thanks for letting me run that past you ;) | 01:01 |
| wgrant | lifeless: That's true. | 01:03 |
| wgrant | But the lack of infestations is a bug. | 01:03 |
| lifeless | so there are two descrete concepts | 01:04 |
| lifeless | 'can have a bug' | 01:04 |
| lifeless | and 'can be a place that a bug fix should be done' | 01:04 |
| lifeless | package versions by there very nature are only able to satisfy the former. | 01:04 |
| lifeless | s/there/their/ blah. | 01:04 |
| lifeless | containers-of-packages can do both ('there is a package in this place with the bug', and 'we want to upload a new package here with a bugfix') | 01:05 |
| lifeless | under this model, I think there is a clear separation between registration stuff and package-instance stuff | 01:05 |
| lifeless | what do you think ? | 01:06 |
| wgrant | Indeed. | 01:06 |
| wgrant | What would go on the DistributionSourcePackage Registry page if the Soyuz one was split from it? | 01:06 |
| lifeless | so, like with other subdomains, a split doesn't mean 'do not reference', its about focus and primary presentation | 01:07 |
| wgrant | Right. | 01:07 |
| wgrant | But what would be the focus of the Registry page? | 01:07 |
| lifeless | I'd expect, on a DSP registry page to give primacy to controlling things like: | 01:07 |
| lifeless | - acls | 01:07 |
| lifeless | - policy [disable uploads of this package] | 01:08 |
| lifeless | - history [of things we no longer keep as well as active package files] | 01:08 |
| lifeless | - relationships to other packages | 01:08 |
| lifeless | Just riffing here at this point | 01:08 |
| thumper | mtaylor: hi, sorry, was out afk | 01:27 |
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| mtaylor | lifeless: yes. I have put it on my todo list and plan on writing code in support of it | 02:20 |
| mtaylor | lifeless: which means step #1 - register a blueprint - will get done at some point :) | 02:20 |
| lifeless | mtaylor: given that LP doesn't really use blueprints for its own dev | 02:22 |
| lifeless | mtaylor: I don't think that that is step 1. Step 1 is 'propose a UI for it on the lp-dev list' | 02:22 |
| lifeless | discuss. | 02:22 |
| mtaylor | lifeless: ok. | 02:22 |
| mtaylor | lifeless: I imagine I may become the caretaker of all things blueprints... | 02:23 |
| mtaylor | lifeless: if there is not currently one, since we really like them ;) | 02:23 |
| lifeless | tag, you're it | 02:24 |
| lifeless | actually sinzui IIRC has spent considerable time on it | 02:24 |
| mtaylor | lifeless: awesome | 02:24 |
| lifeless | but all personal. | 02:24 |
| * mtaylor doesn't really want ownership - just expects to write some code | 02:25 | |
| lifeless | so, start with that. | 02:25 |
| lifeless | Really. | 02:25 |
| lifeless | JFDI :) | 02:25 |
| mtaylor | yup | 02:25 |
| mtaylor | that's the idea | 02:25 |
| lifeless | step 0) get a working lp dev environment - have you got that ? | 02:25 |
| mtaylor | yup. step 0 done | 02:25 |
| lifeless | ok | 02:26 |
| lifeless | step 1) make a branch to work on this; have you got that ? | 02:26 |
| mtaylor | step 0.5 - complain about the number of steps needed for step 0 | 02:26 |
| mtaylor | ;) | 02:26 |
| mtaylor | yup. step 1 done | 02:26 |
| lifeless | patches appreciate. | 02:26 |
| lifeless | step 2) if you are not sure where to start changing stuff, ask here. | 02:26 |
| mtaylor | lifeless: pushed onto stack | 02:26 |
| lifeless | remember that we like patches to be < 1000 lines, as a pretty hard limit, for the sanity of the reviewer. | 02:27 |
| lifeless | unless previously agreed. | 02:27 |
| mtaylor | yup. we're like that in drizzle | 02:27 |
| mtaylor | sequnces of self-contained small changes that don't break shit ftw | 02:27 |
| mtaylor | or sequences even | 02:27 |
| lifeless | mars: when does PQM open ? | 02:29 |
| thumper | it is supposed to be < 800 | 02:31 |
| lifeless | oh, my bad. | 02:31 |
| thumper | PQM will open again when we have confirmed no massive fubar | 02:31 |
| thumper | lifeless: bigger can be done with prior agreement with a reviewer | 02:31 |
| lifeless | yeah - I mentioned that just above :P - but I had the # wrong. | 02:32 |
| thumper | lifeless: I just noticed that after I had written the line | 02:32 |
| thumper | :) | 02:32 |
| lifeless | lol | 02:32 |
| thumper | mtaylor: get yourself on the launchpad-dev mailing list :) | 02:33 |
| wgrant | The last comment on bug #474615 | 02:34 |
| _mup_ | Bug #474615: lp email 'rationale' header should use most specific criterion, or add header for direct subscription <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad Bugs:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/474615> | 02:34 |
| wgrant | Why do people not file bugs about their broken mail providers? | 02:34 |
| thumper | wgrant: like gmail? | 02:35 |
| wgrant | How is it Launchpad's problem that some mail providers are crap? | 02:35 |
| wgrant | Right. | 02:35 |
| lifeless | well | 02:35 |
| thumper | I've filed a bug with gmail about not being able to filter on mail headers | 02:35 |
| lifeless | see, people *use* gmail. That we want to use lp. | 02:35 |
| lifeless | leverage. | 02:35 |
| lifeless | wgrant: so that bug, I don't think its really a gmail flaw per se. Yes headers are better. But its still simply nice to see the most proximate subscription - its the most relevant | 02:44 |
| lifeless | wgrant: did you mail the list about API privileges | 02:44 |
| lifeless | wgrant: if not, I can; I've been thinking on it. | 02:44 |
| wgrant | lifeless: I haven't really got time at the moment, I'm afraid. | 02:45 |
| lifeless | ok | 02:45 |
| lifeless | I'll carry your point forward and you can tell me how I do later | 02:45 |
| wgrant | Thanks. | 02:46 |
| lifeless | also, http://www.hemispheregames.com/osmos/ looks awesome, if totally offtopic here. | 02:46 |
| wgrant | It is awesome, yes. | 02:46 |
| wgrant | I discovered it a few months ago, just before the Linux port, but it still ran fine in Wine. | 02:46 |
| spm | hrm. no elves, no swords, no sharks with lasers?!?!? can't see the point. | 02:52 |
| lifeless | spm: addict. | 02:53 |
| spm | heh, perhaps.... :-) | 02:54 |
| poolie | lifeless: i was thinking of changing 'make run' to turn on tc slowness | 03:14 |
| poolie | perhaps with an escape hatch | 03:14 |
| thumper | heh | 03:14 |
| lifeless | mmm | 03:14 |
| lifeless | I think a target to start and stop tc would be awesome | 03:14 |
| lifeless | I don't know that there is a perception mismatch for most devs though. | 03:15 |
| lifeless | its tempting to think there is. | 03:15 |
| lifeless | what might be really fun is an incrementally slower 'make run' | 03:15 |
| lifeless | like, 1ms slower per second of runtime. | 03:15 |
| lifeless | :> | 03:16 |
| poolie | make slower | 03:17 |
| poolie | make faster | 03:17 |
| poolie | > not implemented yet | 03:17 |
| lifeless | lol | 03:17 |
| poolie | how do you mean incrementally slower? | 03:18 |
| lifeless | poolie: just that | 03:20 |
| lifeless | slower the longer its beein running | 03:20 |
| poolie | oh i see | 03:20 |
| poolie | it will add 1ms to the service time for each request? | 03:21 |
| lifeless | for instance yes | 03:21 |
| cody-somerville | Why would the milestone page show bugs as one status but viewing the actual bug show the bugs as a different status? | 04:22 |
| lifeless | its caching very aggressively now. | 04:22 |
| lifeless | Please file a bug | 04:22 |
| cody-somerville | Ok | 04:23 |
| wgrant | I filed a bug last week, but more dupes is good. | 04:23 |
| lifeless | well, please me-too it. | 04:26 |
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| adeuring | good morning | 08:10 |
| mrevell | Morning! | 09:01 |
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| mwhudson | morning | 10:23 |
| bigjools | morning | 10:32 |
| jml | is danilo around today? | 11:43 |
| deryck | Morning, all. | 12:04 |
| mrevell | jml, Danilo's on leave today | 12:12 |
| jml | mrevell, thanks. | 12:12 |
| mwhudson | jml: hello, how are you today? | 12:25 |
| jml | mwhudson, bowel-clenchingly busy. finishing slides for a talk I'm giving in < 3hrs | 12:27 |
| mwhudson | jml: oh right | 12:27 |
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| jtv | wgrant: I'm trying to Q/A the launchpad-buildd changes... do you know of a recipe that should build without problems? When I try I get failures that I hear are probably unrelated: http://staging.launchpadlibrarian.net/51388616/buildlog.txt.gz | 13:50 |
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| jtv | abentley, do you know of any recipes that definitely should build without problems on either staging or dogfood? I'm trying to Q/A the latest launchpad-buildd so we can roll it out. | 14:08 |
| abentley | jtv, https://code.dogfood.launchpad.net/~abentley/+recipe/bazaar but you may need to change the debversion | 14:10 |
| jtv | henninge: any idea whether you'll be wanting those traits? | 14:10 |
| henninge | jtv: I think I do ... ;) | 14:11 |
| henninge | I mean, I'd like to have them. | 14:12 |
| wgrant | jtv: Any recipe build is going to fail like that, since staging doesn't seem to have Soyuz. | 14:14 |
| wgrant | Dogfood should work. | 14:14 |
| Ursinha | sinzui, hello, good morning | 14:23 |
| Ursinha | sinzui, something very weird is happening with the milestones of this project: https://edge.launchpad.net/iportfolio | 14:24 |
| Ursinha | I can't see them | 14:24 |
| Ursinha | maybe a typo lead to that? | 14:24 |
| Ursinha | s/1010/2010/ | 14:24 |
| sinzui | I think someone put that date there | 14:25 |
| sinzui | users allowed to screw up | 14:25 |
| bigjools | wgrant: staging has builders, a buildd-manager and config. | 14:25 |
| wgrant | bigjools: But no archive. | 14:26 |
| sinzui | Ursinha, looks like you can create a date that the UI cannot support. The API does support it though | 14:26 |
| * sinzui reports bug | 14:26 | |
| Ursinha | sinzui, hm, I see | 14:26 |
| bigjools | wgrant: you don't need an archive to test builds | 14:27 |
| wgrant | bigjools: You do if the primary archive's hostname is set to ftpmaster-staging.internal, and that doesn't exist. | 14:27 |
| bigjools | wgrant: that is being fixed (dunno who set that), then it will work | 14:28 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 14:28 |
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| nettrot | Is there anyone from launchpad-foundations who can chat about Bug #602346? | 17:55 |
| _mup_ | Bug #602346: Launchpad can save HTTP requests with DataURIs <Launchpad Foundations:Incomplete by foxxtrot> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/602346> | 17:55 |
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| lifeless | any soyuz folk around ? | 19:58 |
| bigjools | lifeless: just about to grab a cold one and finish watching the footy, wassup? | 20:01 |
| lifeless | bigjools: hi | 20:26 |
| bigjools | too late I'm drunk | 20:26 |
| lifeless | bigjools: so the new private ppa private-owning-team change | 20:26 |
| lifeless | soren can see the owning team for the font ppa | 20:27 |
| lifeless | as in, see its main registry page. | 20:27 |
| bigjools | yeah we know | 20:27 |
| lifeless | Was this intentional ? | 20:27 |
| bigjools | sorta | 20:27 |
| lifeless | Do you have a bug saying you want to tune it more? | 20:27 |
| lifeless | Just so I can point surprised people at it :) | 20:27 |
| bigjools | I need to start a thread about this on the dev list, we just talked about it on the TL call | 20:27 |
| lifeless | sure | 20:28 |
| bigjools | no bug yet | 20:28 |
| lifeless | I'm only asking cause of soren's question on #launchpad | 20:28 |
| lifeless | :) | 20:28 |
| bigjools | we're talking about having a restrictedView permission | 20:28 |
| lifeless | in directory service terms | 20:28 |
| lifeless | what you want is 'traversal' | 20:28 |
| lifeless | as opposed to 'view' | 20:28 |
| bigjools | no, it's view | 20:28 |
| lifeless | really ? | 20:28 |
| bigjools | partial view of a private object | 20:28 |
| lifeless | what bits ? | 20:29 |
| bigjools | the name of the private team is needed to form it's PPA URL for example | 20:29 |
| bigjools | its* | 20:29 |
| bigjools | gah hate that mistake | 20:29 |
| lifeless | (actually, if you're drunk, and this is known, you can stay drunk and watch the sport :)) | 20:29 |
| lifeless | bigjools: I'd say that traversal implies accessing the metadata needed to present anything got at by traversing. | 20:29 |
| bigjools | from a zope PoV, yeah | 20:30 |
| bigjools | lifeless: I'm open to suggestions, thumper had some concerns about dealing with a new permission | 20:31 |
| bigjools | but I'm going back to the footy now :) | 20:31 |
| bigjools | ciao | 20:31 |
| lifeless | bigjools: EPIC stuff. | 20:32 |
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| bigjools | lifeless: yes | 20:53 |
| thumper | morning | 20:58 |
| lifeless | morning thumper | 20:58 |
| lifeless | wgrant: lp:~leonardr/launchpad/grant-permissions-oauth :P | 21:54 |
| lifeless | wgrant: someone used a time machine, I think. | 21:54 |
| leonardr | wgrant, lifeless, what's up? | 21:55 |
| lifeless | wgrant: its not quite what is needed, but its close | 21:55 |
| lifeless | leonardr: hey! so you've done something that is very very close to what didrocks' gpg/ssh management stuff needs. | 21:55 |
| lifeless | leonardr: which is a API way to manage security sensitive stuff | 21:55 |
| leonardr | lifeless: ok, what do you need beyond what's in that branch (and its implied follow-ups)? | 21:56 |
| lifeless | I don't know yet. | 21:56 |
| lifeless | but its in the space | 21:57 |
| lifeless | did you see the thread on lp-dev, and the LEP ? | 21:57 |
| leonardr | no, i'm looking now | 21:57 |
| lifeless | there is a missing bit which is 'perhaps we shouldn't let *every* API client change gpg/ssh keys, even though email notifications is a great safety net' | 21:57 |
| lifeless | wgrant raised this and I think his points are valid, so we should try to slot something nice into the use case. | 21:57 |
| lifeless | perhaps your tool should manage ssh and gpg keys on lp too | 21:58 |
| lifeless | rather than quickly doing it | 21:58 |
| leonardr | lifeless: given the way GRANT_PERMISSIONS can be used for privilege escalation, it might make more sense to have a separate access level | 21:58 |
| leonardr | and a separate app | 21:58 |
| leonardr | however, the credential manager could administer the granting of this new access level to this separate app | 21:59 |
| lifeless | leonardr: if you'd like to throw some thoughts into the ring, that would be lovely | 21:59 |
| lifeless | its a little time sensitive (isn't it always) | 21:59 |
| leonardr | sure | 21:59 |
| leonardr | from what i've heard here, it sounds like splitting out WRITE_SECURITY_SENSITIVE from WRITE_PRIVATE would work | 22:00 |
| lifeless | if you have a preference as well, please indicate that too | 22:00 |
| lifeless | I think didrocks is really able to tell us best what will work out well in the structure and what may be an issue | 22:01 |
| leonardr | lifeless, can you give me a subject line and/or link to a web archive? my mail skills are notoriously bad | 22:01 |
| leonardr | and i can't find this thread | 22:01 |
| lifeless | [Launchpad-dev] Fwd: [Fwd: Quickly and Launchpad] | 22:02 |
| leonardr | thanks, i had no idea what quickly was | 22:02 |
| lifeless | its a mini IDE kind of thing | 22:03 |
| lifeless | puts program boilerplate together | 22:03 |
| lifeless | builds debs of python programs | 22:03 |
| leonardr | cool. i'll write a response | 22:03 |
| lifeless | sets up a development environment | 22:03 |
| lifeless | thanks! | 22:03 |
| leonardr | lifeless: if i understand the problem correctly, it's the danger of a malicious app making up a fake ssh key and uploading it? | 22:09 |
| lifeless | or a new gpg key | 22:10 |
| lifeless | I think you can add a key for an address you haven't validated previously, and it mails that address automatically | 22:10 |
| lifeless | which the user wouldn't see | 22:10 |
| lifeless | new gpg key would allow exposure of private branch content (but then WRITE_PRIVATE has that anyway) | 22:11 |
| lifeless | sorry | 22:11 |
| lifeless | new ssh key would ... | 22:11 |
| lifeless | new gpg key would allow uploading packages | 22:11 |
| lifeless | that the user hadn't signed, and its currently got more of a security shell around it | 22:11 |
| lifeless | probably the whole set of interactions needs consideration | 22:12 |
| lifeless | I'm not 100% sure wgrant is right in saying we need to do something about this - but I think we have to at least *think* critically about it | 22:12 |
| leonardr | all right | 22:13 |
| james_w | congratulations lifeless | 22:18 |
| thumper | lifeless: congrats | 22:31 |
| * bigjools hi-fives lifeless | 22:34 | |
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| nettrot | I'm noticing that some of the JS Tests in Launchpad are in YUI Test, others are in Windmill. Is there a preference for new tests? And/or what is the reason for the two frameworks? | 23:08 |
| thumper | nettrot: Windmill came first | 23:15 |
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