[06:31] <jono> howdy kim0
[06:32] <kim0> jono, Morning ma
[06:33] <kim0> man*
[06:33] <kim0> :D
[06:33] <kim0> lol
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <ddecator> morning dholbach
[08:05] <ara> morning dholbach, all
[08:06] <ddecator> morning ara
[08:09] <dholbach> hey ddecator, hey ara
[08:09] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[08:10] <nigelb> morning dholbach :)
[08:10] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[08:10] <ddecator> hey nigelb :)
[08:10] <ddecator> doing good dholbach, how are you?
[08:11] <dholbach> ddecator: great, thanks
[08:11] <dholbach> finally working from the office again
[08:12] <nigelb> dholbach: wait, you hve an office?
[08:12] <dholbach> nigelb: since a couple of months I work from a shared office
[08:12] <dholbach> nigelb: after 4,5 years working from home it was time for that change :)
[08:13] <nigelb> dholbach: oh, thats cool.  Sets the mood for working :)
[08:15] <ddecator> as does a good cup of coffee :)
[08:19] <jussi> Huomenta!
[08:19] <jussi> Coffee has been instumental in saving my day today. :D
[08:21]  * nigelb waves to jussi 
[08:21]  * jussi throws water balloons at nigelb 
[08:21] <jussi> :D
[08:29]  * dholbach upgrades desktop machine to maverick
[08:29] <dholbach> ara: ^ anything I should know? :-P
[08:30] <ara> dholbach, mine worked correctly, but you can check mvo's yesterday reports:
[08:30] <ara> http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/2010-07-06-15:03:01/
[08:31] <ara> it seems safe, unless you have bacula-director-mysql installed
[08:31]  * dholbach hugs ara
[08:32] <dholbach> ara is just full of awesome
[08:33] <ddecator> i've been debating upgrading...maybe i'll do it later this week if ara says it's safe :)
[08:34] <ara> ddecator, maybe later this week won't be safe :D
[08:34] <ara> ddecator, you'd better check mvo reports the day you want to upgrade
[08:34] <ddecator> ara: good point. i'm waiting until after UUD, i'll probably ask you next week if it still is ;)
[08:34] <ddecator> or check the reports..
[08:35] <ara> but, normally, if something gets terribly wrong (like a python upload that breaks every python application), it gets announced
[08:39] <ddecator> yah, i normally upgrade at a3, but i've been bored :x
[08:44] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:46] <ddecator> hey czajkowski
[08:46] <dholbach> hi czajkowski
[09:06] <czajkowski> ddecator: dholbach howdy :)
[09:07] <dholbach> hey - how are you doing? :)
[09:07] <ddecator> dholbach beat me to asking :p
[09:07] <czajkowski> goood heading out for the morning doing some odd jobs and following up on jobs
[09:08] <czajkowski> catch folks later
[09:30] <dholbach> james_w: I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-builder/+bug/602589
[09:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602589 in bzr-builder "to add packaging 'nest' needs a flat file branch, no debian subdir (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[10:38] <dholbach> jcastro: LP released yesterday already
[10:39] <dholbach> jcastro: I'll have a quick call with mrevell tomorrow - he wants to be on the same page too, there's going to be no daily builds announce from the LP side
[10:39] <dholbach> jcastro: he said we should mumble with abentley and him next week when they're in Prague
[12:00] <paultag> hey all
[12:19] <nigelb> dholbach: awesome news :)
[12:27] <czajkowski> BACK :
[12:27] <czajkowski> :D
[12:27] <paultag> czajkowski: ohai
[12:28]  * czajkowski signed up for an course today on Project Management :)
[12:29] <paultag> w00t!
[12:29] <paultag> we need it :)
[13:20] <nigelb> dholbach: http://i.imgur.com/Mozt9.jpg
[13:20] <nigelb> something special just for you ;)
[13:37] <dholbach> nigelb: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs087.snc4/35706_135346869822812_100000424996146_257724_1618065_n.jpg :-P
[13:37] <dholbach> I just hope it's a good game - I don't care that much who wins :)
[13:39] <nigelb> dholbach: hahaha!
[14:05] <dholbach> does http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/bugfix.pdf look useful to anybody?
[14:05] <dholbach> nigelb, james_w, jcastro: ^?
[14:08] <nigelb> dholbach: looks beautiful
[14:08] <nigelb> dholbach: Also, Folie in german means page?
[14:09] <dholbach> "slide" maybe
[14:09] <dholbach> page means "Seite" in German
[14:09] <jcastro> dholbach: !!!!!
[14:09] <nigelb> in the right side bar, I see "Folie 1" :)
[14:09] <paultag> IIRC Folie ist like a film slide?
[14:09] <paultag> nigelb: I think that means slide one
[14:09] <paultag> nigelb: ask dholbach, though. I'm not native
[14:09] <nigelb> paultag: ah!
[14:10] <nigelb> paultag: I think you have a highlight for german :p
[14:10] <paultag> nigelb: :)
[14:10] <jcastro> dholbach: http://www.lottanzb.org/2010/07/lottanzb-0-6-daily-builds-available/
[14:10] <jcastro> james_w: ^
[14:10] <dholbach> nice
[14:14] <nigelb> anyway, I'm calling it a day, going home.  catch ya'll in some time :)
[14:15] <dholbach> nigelb: see you
[14:16] <paultag> cheers nigelb
[14:17] <james_w> dholbach: looks good
[14:17] <jcastro> dholbach: aha, maverick doesn't work for the daily builds
[14:17] <james_w> jcastro: cool
[14:18] <dholbach> jcastro: oh ok - do you have a bug for that?
[14:18] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/bugs/599102
[14:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 599102 in launchpad-code "Source build based on recipe targeting Maverick fails (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [High,Triaged]
[14:19] <dholbach> super, I'll add it to the KnownLimitations
[14:19] <jcastro> any luck today?
[14:19] <jcastro> with what you're trying to build I mean
[14:19] <dholbach> I was doing like 318251356 other things, and I still don't know how I could get something built
[14:20] <dholbach> so, no luck
[14:31] <jcastro> dholbach: the graph looks good btw
[14:32] <dholbach> jcastro: yeah, it just doesn't say much yet :)
[14:35] <paultag> anyone see the new iPhone? http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/4764273405_396564c798_b.jpg
[14:38] <paultag> *zing*
[14:48] <jcastro> paultag: thanks for the mail on that gpg thing, added.
[14:50] <paultag> jcastro: sure thing
[14:52] <paultag> jcastro: looking forward to see what comes of it. I have nothing but positive results
[15:44] <jono> hi all!
[15:44] <paultag> hey jono
[15:44] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:44] <jono> hey
[15:46] <paultag> jono: are you going to be in israel anytime soon?
[15:47] <paultag> we need someone to kick some loco arse on behalf of all of us
[15:47] <jono> paultag, no immediate plans unfortunately
[15:47] <paultag> jono: their loco is shot, and the current contact just can't move forward with the old leaders still thinking they are in charge
[15:55] <jono> paultag, ahhhh still having issues
[15:55] <jono> LoCo Council are on it, right?
[15:55] <jono> kim0, are you joining us today for the call?
[15:55] <paultag> jono: yup
[15:55] <jono> col
[15:55] <jono> cool
[15:56] <paultag> jono: We're working on it. Since those two leaders are no longer part of the team, we have Canonical Trademarks working on getting the Domain back
[15:58] <jono> good stuff
[15:58] <jono> thanks for all the hard work :)
[15:58] <jono> you rock :)
[15:58] <paultag> jono: sure thing :P
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, kim0 let's roll
[16:23] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, kim0 http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-community-maverick-alpha-3.html
[16:34] <dholbach>  alright, I call it a day - see you guys tomorrow!
[16:34]  * dholbach hugs you all
[16:34] <jcastro> cjohnston: I totally closed the irc window by mistake with the info you wanted me to blog about!
[16:34] <jcastro> bye daniel!
[16:35] <czajkowski> jcastro: was it about user days ?
[16:35] <jcastro> yes!
[16:35] <paultag> Oh frak! User days!
[16:35] <paultag> I need to finish my stuff, shooot!
[16:36] <jcastro> czajkowski: do you have the info on it handy?
[16:37] <czajkowski> jcastro: just searched in here nope
[16:37] <czajkowski> jcastro: let me go check some emails
[16:37] <czajkowski> Saturday July 10th 2010, 09:45 UTC - Sunday July 11th 2010, 03:00 UTC
[16:37] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[16:37] <czajkowski> is all I have really
[16:37] <czajkowski> sorry jcastro
[16:38] <jcastro> ok I'll just wait for him to be around
[16:38] <jcastro> in the meantime I can blog about that papercutter
[16:38] <jcastro> vish: were you able to find a pic?
[16:39] <paultag> hey jcastro, last year at OLF you mentioned asking for a double conf pack ( being largely Ubuntu lusers ) -- think I could pull that off?
[16:39] <jcastro> you're an official loco right?
[16:40] <paultag> jcastro: well, yeah :)
[16:40] <jcastro> I think I said something like "if you're an official loco and we know this is a good show you might be able to get more swag/
[16:40] <czajkowski> dodgey Ohio up for re approval :p
[16:40] <paultag> >:D
[16:40] <jcastro> because afaik we don't have double conf packs
[16:40] <jcastro> paultag: when you ask lmk and I'll ask
[16:41] <paultag> jcastro: kk, will do, it will be today, I want to get the ducks in a line, if you know what I mean :)
[16:41] <jcastro> quack
[16:41] <paultag> :)
[16:41] <jcastro> smoser will be submitting a UEC talk too
[16:41] <jcastro> so it'll be fun
[16:42] <paultag> jcastro: for sure, I'm looking forward to it
[16:42] <czajkowski> paultag: fried duck is yummy
[16:42] <jcastro> will there be lightning talks on the friday again?
[16:42] <cjohnston|cell> jcastro: Http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays I believe
[16:42] <jcastro> cjohnston|cell: ok so just general advocacy of the even
[16:42] <paultag> czajkowski:  mmm
[16:42] <jcastro> I could have sworn you had something more specific, but cool
[16:42] <cjohnston|cell> jcastro: pleia2 also made a blog post but I don't have that link right now
[16:43] <czajkowski> cjohnston|cell: dont forget to tweet/dent it using #locoteams
[16:43] <cjohnston|cell> Nope. Just advocacy
[16:43] <cjohnston|cell> czajkowski: There is a UUD tag
[16:44] <jcastro> cjohnston|cell: have you gotten someone to post on the forums yet?
[16:44] <nhandler> cjohnston|cell: Here is pleia2's post: http://ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/ubuntu-user-days/
[16:44] <czajkowski> cjohnston|cell: aye but to let teams know about it
[16:44] <cjohnston|cell> jcastro: Don't know. Not that I know of
[16:44] <jcastro> ON IT.
[16:45] <cjohnston|cell> Ty
[16:45] <nhandler> I'm sure duanedesign or Technoviking or another forum staffer would be more than happy to sticky it :)
[16:47] <jcastro> we need to like, reign in the stickies
[16:47] <jcastro> too many these days
[16:48] <nhandler> Well, that is up to the forum staff to handle. I certainly don't have access ;)
[16:57] <vish> jcastro: hey, will get it in a few mins
[16:57] <jcastro> no worries!
[16:58] <jcastro> vish: I'm stepping out for some food, just mail it to me or something
[16:58] <vish> sure.
[16:58] <jcastro> vish: I'll add another call for help to the post too
[16:58] <vish> awesome!
[16:59] <jcastro> my lazy friend bailed on me for cleansweep, maybe he'll do papercuts instead
[17:10]  * nigelb waves
[17:13] <dinda> jcastro:  is there even any point in filing OO.o Writer or Impress bugs?  the issues are more general like "crashes repeatedly"
[17:14] <paultag> hey nigelb
[17:14] <nigelb> dinda: helps if you say what were you doig just before it
[17:14] <paultag> dinda: I think she is talking about bug triaging
[17:14] <paultag> Erm, wait
[17:14] <paultag> dinda: I don't know your gender. Are you a she or a he. Very sorry :)
[17:15] <nigelb> paultag: she
[17:15] <paultag> Ahha
[17:15] <paultag> Well then my message stands
[17:15] <dinda> nigelb: that's the thing, there is no pattern just general working in the program and it dies
[17:15] <nhandler> paultag: /whois dinda would also clear things up ;)
[17:15] <paultag> nhandler: aye :)
[17:16] <paultag> I had a vauge memory, but I was not 100%, and I figued that out after I sent it
[17:16] <nigelb> dinda: Still from a developer point of view, they appreciate details
[17:16] <jcastro> dinda: I don't really use them, however if it's a serious issue I would poke calc directly, he's pretty good being responsive if something is driving you crazy
[17:17] <nigelb> calc? robert_ancell?
[17:17] <jcastro> chris cheney
[17:17] <dinda> I thought calc is no longer the OO person?
[17:17] <jcastro> I think he's back on it
[17:17] <nigelb> how did you shorten that to calc :p
[17:17] <jcastro> I am pretyt sure he's back
[17:17] <jcastro> nigelb: he chose the nick, not me, heh
[17:18] <dinda> nigelb: the problem is that to normal users, there is no time to triage or even file bugs, we just work around until we can no longer work
[17:18] <dinda> nigelb: OO.o is almost to that point for many of my projects
[17:18] <jcastro> dinda: I don't use it either
[17:18] <nigelb> dinda: I know.  I understand that too.
[17:18] <dinda> nigelb:  and the issues are don't follow any pattern as fas as I can see so kind of hard to even write a bug report
[17:19] <nigelb> dinda: but if you're the one person who's helping by filing a bug, you'd be giving triagers something to work with while forwarding to OOo
[17:19] <jcastro> dinda: I personally use google docs, but that can be limiting to alot of people
[17:19] <nigelb> dinda: you can write that too :)
[17:19] <dinda> jcastro: we're talking about book level documents,  330 and 441 pages
[17:20] <jcastro> indeed. :(
[17:20] <nigelb> oh, ugh.  No wonder.
[17:20] <dinda> but even smaller Impress presentations are now crashing
[17:20] <nhandler> dinda: LaTeX ;)
[17:20] <nigelb> latex++
[17:20] <dinda> nhandler: don't even get me started on that path
[17:20] <nigelb> heh
[17:20] <nigelb> vim+latex :p
[17:20] <jcastro> on a semi-related note, I am finding Zoho office to be pretty amazing (though web based)
[17:20] <dinda> nhandler: if you can find me an author and copy editor who can write in latex and knows Ubuntu well enough to write our course materials I'll hire them on the spot
[17:21] <nhandler> dinda: What type of course material ?
[17:22] <dinda> nhandler: unfortunately most technical authors and all copy editors are still in the MS Word/Adobe in Design/Framemaker world
[17:22] <nigelb> keep talking to nhandler and he'll write a perl program to convert OO.o to latex
[17:22] <nhandler> nigelb: No chance ;)
[17:23] <paultag> dinda: where are you guys based?
[17:23] <nhandler> One thing I do like about stuff like LaTex is that people can use tools like diff and patch to interact with it
[17:23] <paultag> nhandler: +1
[17:23] <paultag> plaintext ftw
[17:23] <dinda> paultag: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelindaLopez
[17:24] <paultag> Humm.
[17:24] <nigelb> nhandler: also vcs
[17:24]  * jcastro shakes the unix out of paultag and nhandler
[17:24] <paultag> jcastro: must... have.... pipes....
[17:25] <dinda> paultag: we had one author write in plain text and the formatting was heck for the person who then had to turn that into a presentable book
[17:25] <paultag> dinda: ouch :(
[17:25] <paultag> dinda: LaTeX when done right is pretty awesome. That and you never know who uses GNU/Linux these days
[17:26] <dinda> paultag: same issue as doc team;  writers just want to write and not worry about formatting or having to learn something like docbook or latex
[17:26] <paultag> dinda: aye
[17:26] <nigelb> dinda: I can associate with that
[17:26] <nhandler> paultag: If I could just get someone to make an Ubuntu LaTeX-beamer theme, that would give me a good opportunity to really make the switch
[17:26] <paultag> dinda: LaTeX is really really common with the Science field, and academic papers, esp with Physics, Math and Comp-sci, so you might be able to find someone, as odd as it sounds
[17:26] <paultag> nhandler: I was going to make one for my user days prez, but I figured no one would use it
[17:27] <dinda> paultag: been looking for 2 years for that special someone
[17:27] <dinda> also been looking for better latex/docbook to PDF tools
[17:27] <nigelb> dinda: just so that you know, ubuntu manual was written in latex
[17:27] <paultag> dinda: I'll keep my eye out for a southern chap or bell and pass him / her on to you. IIRC there was an english grad student who reviewed one of my papers in LaTeX
[17:27] <dinda> they have gotten better
[17:28] <dinda> nigelb: yip, I know
[17:28] <nhandler> paultag: Debian had an awesome latex-beamer theme. I would definitely use an Ubuntu version if it existed
[17:28] <paultag> nhandler: Humm.
[17:28] <nigelb> somehow a whole bunch of people got together, wrote some good content in a new format, and got it out ;)
[17:28] <paultag> nhandler: Well I think I might have to invest some time in that. Thanks for motivating me :)
[17:28] <nhandler> paultag: I know that j1mc also used latex-beamer for a LoCo presentation or two and would probably use it as well :)
[17:29]  * dinda thinks the Manual Project is just about the best thing ever!
[17:29] <nhandler> paultag: I would start with the Debian theme and modify it to work with Ubuntu
[17:29] <paultag> nhandler: It's just Beamer, it's as easy as starting with a Beamer template
[17:30] <nigelb> hold on, someone I know hacked on latex templates
[17:30] <paultag> nhandler: I was about 60% on one for my user days stuff, then I just started working and forgot to finish it. Typical
[17:30] <nigelb> dinda: agreed there :)
[17:34] <paultag> hey jcastro, still around?
[17:34] <jcastro> yeah
[17:34] <paultag> jcastro: can I slide you a PM?
[17:35] <jcastro> yeah
[18:13] <nigelb> jcastro: poke? Got time for a PM?
[18:14] <jcastro> not right now
[18:14] <jcastro> just mail me please
[18:14] <nigelb> Ok, I'll mail you :)
[18:19] <jcastro> nigelb: it will be obvious in 20 minutes what I'm working on. :D
[18:19] <paultag> :D
[18:20] <nigelb> jcastro: Oh. OHHH.  I hink I can guess
[18:20] <vish> yay!
[18:21]  * ddecator is curious
[18:21] <nigelb> Its either going to be about daily builds or about UDS :p
[18:21] <vish> ddecator: the trick is to just cheer and make it seem you know :D
[18:22] <nigelb> vish: agreed
[18:22] <nigelb> Also, I'm curious about new LP release
[18:22] <paultag> nah, don't think so nigelb :)
[18:22] <ddecator> the faking fu is strong with you guys :p
[18:22]  * vish is excited o.0 
[18:23] <nigelb> ddecator: its one of the more finer points of being an ubuntu member for long :D
[18:23]  * nigelb gets champange
[18:23] <paultag> nigelb: has it been a month already?
[18:23] <ddecator> nigelb: next week ;)
[18:24] <nigelb> vish: you've got mail!
[18:25] <nigelb> vish: let me know what you think.  Probably the actual responsibility can be rotated among a few people.
[18:26] <paultag> nigelb: wow, you've been an Ubuntu member for almost 2 months to the day
[18:26] <vish> lol!
[18:26] <paultag> nigelb: two days until your two month :)
[18:26] <nigelb> paultag: I know ;)
[18:26] <nigelb> paultag: though it feels like long ago
[18:27] <paultag> nigelb: I still feel like a n00b and I was put in in 2008-08-08
[18:28] <nigelb> paultag: for the love me I can't fix a broken ubuntu system, so yes, I'm n00b
[18:28] <vish> oh why fight , you both are n00bs
[18:28] <paultag> vish: :) sure are
[18:29] <paultag> vish: 2010-02-26 for you :)
[18:29] <vish> :)
[18:30] <vish> I'm n00b for ever :)
[18:30] <ddecator> everybody is...except pitti
[18:33] <jcastro> http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/the-ubuntu-font/
[18:33] <nigelb> yaaay!
[18:33] <paultag> jcastro: is it official?
[18:33] <jcastro> I am just waiting for planet to refresh to add the members
[18:33] <nigelb> wow, I feel special!
[18:34] <nigelb> private PPA for ubuntu members
[18:34] <jcastro> I don't want people getting the invite before the instructions
[18:34] <paultag> jcastro: can I talk about it?
[18:34] <jcastro> paultag: that's a public url
[18:34] <paultag> Righto
[18:34] <paultag> thanks jcastro
[18:36] <jcastro> how often does planet refresh?
[18:36] <jcastro> every 20 or so?
[18:36] <paultag> jcastro: 30 minutes IIRC
[18:36] <nigelb> paultag: officially
[18:36] <nigelb> unoffically, much faster
[18:37] <paultag> nigelb: well you have the avg time of TTL * 1/2 ( on avg ), so the avg wait should be ~ 15 minutes
[18:37] <nigelb> paultag: that too
[18:39] <ddecator> now i want to test it :(
[18:39] <paultag> ddecator: it's wicked nice, want a screenshot?
[18:40] <ddecator> paultag: no, don't ruin it for me :p
[18:41] <jcastro> man you are kidding me
[18:41] <jcastro> adding ubuntumembers is oopsing launchpad
[18:42] <paultag> Oh noes!
[18:42] <ddecator> heh
[18:42] <jcastro> ok whew
[18:42] <paultag> ddecator: suffer! http://people.ubuntu.com/~paultag/NewFont.png
[18:42] <jcastro> when someone gets the mail from lp please holler
[18:42] <ddecator> the temptation...
[18:42] <nigelb> jcastro: I did
[18:43] <ddecator> paultag: GAH!
[18:43] <nigelb> actally I got from you
[18:43] <jcastro> oh awesome
[18:43] <Pendulum> jcastro: got it
[18:43] <jcastro> I get the good karma then
[18:43] <ddecator> o.o
[18:43] <ddecator> i approve of this font
[18:43] <AlanBell> can i haz font
[18:44] <nigelb> AlanBell: you haz mail!
[18:44]  * AlanBell gets a nice email
[18:44] <jcastro> does the email really say from me?
[18:44] <nigelb> yes
[18:44] <jcastro> awesome
[18:44] <nigelb> It shows up with Jorge O Castro
[18:44] <jcastro> the one perk of all this work. :p
[18:44] <AlanBell> and there is a link to find out more about you!
[18:44] <paultag> haha
[18:44] <paultag> I has no email :'(
[18:45] <ddecator> paultag: you has font already
[18:45] <paultag> :P
[18:45]  * nigelb steals paultag's contacts
[18:46] <jcastro> ddecator: I invited the councils yesterday so we could test the PPA, etc.
[18:46] <AlanBell> right, now I have to just uninstall the font that accidentally fell out of the typography PDF
[18:46] <ddecator> jcastro: ah, makes sense
[18:46] <paultag> nigelb: I actually _just_ fixed that
[18:46] <paultag> nigelb: because there are work folks on there
[18:46] <nigelb> paultag: LOL
[18:47] <jcastro> I didn't want PMs from 600+ people without testing the instructionws
[18:47] <paultag> nigelb: F5 on it :)
[18:47] <nigelb> paultag: I saved the old version before I F5'd ;)
[18:47] <paultag> nigelb: :)
[18:49] <nigelb> paultag: I worked for a medical transcription company and they had a help file.  Some smart alec in tech did screencast without removivng sensitive information.  He got hell for it.
[18:49] <paultag> Doh!
[18:49] <jcastro> can you guys test that font tool
[18:49] <paultag> jcastro: doing it now
[18:49] <jcastro> rock
[18:49] <paultag> jcastro: lol at the prince of bell air ref :)
[18:51] <Technoviking> nhandler: what is up
[18:51] <paultag> No issues
[18:51] <paultag> looks good
[18:51] <nigelb> the people who got ubuntu membership at y'day's meetings must be thrilled
[18:52] <paultag> ahaha
[18:52] <paultag> for sure
[18:52] <paultag> good for them, they deserve it
[18:52] <nigelb> paultag: especially buxy :p
[18:53] <Technoviking> is India in the EAMA or Asia /Oceanic board. I assume the latter
[18:54] <nigelb> Asia
[18:54] <Technoviking> thanks
[18:56] <Technoviking> how about the Kurdish team?
[18:57] <nigelb> not sure
[18:57] <Technoviking> czajkowski and popey: ping?
[18:57] <nigelb> Technoviking: which country?
[18:58] <Technoviking> Kurdistan, Middle East. Been a long time since high school geograpical
[18:58] <Technoviking> :)
[18:58] <nigelb> Technoviking: because the countries that use the language according to wikipedia are spread across europe/asia
[18:58] <nigelb> turkey is in europe isn't it?
[18:59] <nigelb> but iran, iraq, and syria would be asia
[18:59] <Technoviking> nigelb: thought a small part still was
[19:00] <nigelb> Technoviking: Its been a long time since my last geography lesson too :(
[19:02] <jcastro> nigelb: yeah I was watching the membership meeting yesterday and was like "heh"
[19:04] <nigelb> jcastro: which one? EU/africa one?
[19:04] <jcastro> I don't remember, the one yesterday?
[19:04] <AlanBell> oooh lots of glyphs
[19:05]  * nigelb goes to check
[19:05] <jcastro> I see gustavo and fagan didn't read the directions!
[19:05] <paultag> jcastro: come up with a canned RTFM response :)
[19:06] <jcastro> are any of you on i386?
[19:06] <IdleOne> jcastro: ubuntu keyserver is not responding :/
[19:06] <jcastro> you don't need the key, it just spits out warnings
[19:06] <paultag> IdleOne: that's the only repo with the key, too. Kinda a big deal :(
[19:06] <IdleOne> not like you can do anything about it I suppose but I felt the need to whine
[19:07]  * IdleOne breaks out the cheese
[19:07] <paultag> IdleOne: that fscking server breaks all the time. Someone needs to fix it
[19:08] <paultag> I removed it from my seahorse because it hangs the interface
[19:08] <IdleOne> package name is ?
[19:08] <IdleOne> just to confirm
[19:08] <IdleOne> and can I post it in here?
[19:08] <paultag> IdleOne: ubuntu-private-nda-fonts
[19:09] <IdleOne> hmm
[19:09] <paultag> IdleOne: it's in the email
[19:09] <IdleOne> yeah I wanted to confirm
[19:09] <IdleOne> thank you :)
[19:09] <paultag> sure
[19:09] <AlanBell> where can we file bugs with the font?
[19:10] <jcastro> AlanBell: use the font tool
[19:10] <jcastro> it's on the blog post
[19:11] <IdleOne> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntufontbetatesting/+filebug
[19:11] <AlanBell> great
[19:11] <jcastro> use the tool though, we need to test it
[19:11] <jcastro> plus it has clever bits from prince of bel air
[19:11] <IdleOne> it really upsets me when I am unable to get something as simple as a PPA added and working to my sources :/
[19:12] <AlanBell> will do, I have been looking at the font in fontforge, it looks pretty good
[19:12] <IdleOne> this is the correct repo:
[19:12] <IdleOne> deb https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-beta-testing/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
[19:12] <IdleOne> I am on maverick yes
[19:13] <jcastro> no
[19:13] <jcastro> that's not correct
[19:13] <AlanBell> don't you need your magic key in that
[19:13] <jcastro> how did you add the sources list?
[19:13] <IdleOne> manually
[19:14] <IdleOne> ok so what is the correct source?
[19:14] <jcastro> it should be deb http://yourname:2348958723947523948572349752otherstuff
[19:14] <jcastro> http://launchpad.net/people/+me/+archivesubscriptions
[19:14] <IdleOne> ahh
[19:14] <jcastro> and click the View link
[19:16] <IdleOne> ugh still not finding the package
[19:16] <IdleOne> jcastro: I was having a good day till I got the email :P
[19:16] <jcastro> it's ok, at least you tried to read the directions!
[19:16]  * jcastro stares at popey
[19:16] <IdleOne> haha
[19:17] <jcastro> when you click on the View link
[19:17] <jcastro> it will give you a long URL
[19:17] <jcastro> you need to paste that into your /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:17] <IdleOne> yup did that and edited for my version and ran apt-get update
[19:18]  * AlanBell is quite impressed so far
[19:18]  * AlanBell wants the bold version though
[19:18] <jcastro> paultag: can one of you guys help him? The entire ubuntu membership is PMing me
[19:18] <paultag> jcastro: Oh lawdy. Yeah.
[19:19] <paultag> IdleOne: is it 401 or 403 or 404ing you?
[19:19] <IdleOne> 401
[19:19] <paultag> IdleOne: it's normal
[19:19] <paultag> IdleOne: wait about 5 minutes
[19:19] <IdleOne> okie dokie
[19:19] <paultag> IdleOne: cool?
[19:20] <IdleOne> no waiting
[19:20] <IdleOne> will try in 5-10
[19:20] <paultag> pleia2: poke
[19:20] <paultag> IdleOne: aye
[19:20] <pleia2> paultag: hey, morning :)
[19:20] <paultag> pleia2: morning! :)
[19:21] <paultag> pleia2: mind if I shoot you a PM? Small issue RE a topic you could guess at ;)
[19:21]  * IdleOne waves to pleia2 o/
[19:21] <pleia2> paultag: go ahead (no need to ask :))
[19:21] <pleia2> hey IdleOne
[19:21] <paultag> pleia2: righto :)
[19:23] <nigelb> pleia2: hey! welcome back :)
[19:23] <pleia2> thanks nigelb :)
[19:26] <IdleOne> I like this font
[19:26] <paultag> IdleOne: so it installed, eh?
[19:26] <cjohnston> pleia2: can you send me the link to our schedule for saturday?
[19:26] <IdleOne> paultag: yes, just needed a little patience :)
[19:26] <paultag> IdleOne: life lessons :)
[19:26] <IdleOne> heh
[19:26] <IdleOne> I got plenty to learn
[19:27] <pleia2> cjohnston: the raw schedule that we <<include>> in other pages is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/lucid
[19:27] <pleia2> otherwise use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[19:27] <cjohnston> for our availablity schedule
[19:28] <IdleOne> paultag: so what am I looking for in terms of bugs?
[19:28] <IdleOne> never tested a beta font before
[19:28] <Andre_Gondim> jcastro, I insert the ppa for the new ubuntu font, I did update and upgrade, and nothing happens...
[19:28] <paultag> IdleOne: font artifacts etc
[19:28] <cjohnston> Andre_Gondim: did you install it?
[19:29] <cjohnston> and then change the font in appearance
[19:29]  * popey hugs jcastro 
[19:29] <Andre_Gondim> cjohnston, hmmm, I don't think so, let me see how to do this, I only insert the new ppa
[19:30] <jcastro> Andre_Gondim: they'll sort you, I've been working on this all day, gotta take a break, bbi 15 minutes
[19:30] <cjohnston> Andre_Gondim: instructions are on planet.ubuntu.com
[19:31] <AlanBell> Andre_Gondim: install the ubuntu-private-nda-fonts package that should now be in synaptic
[19:31] <nigelb> jcastro: as an after thought, worth havig your name in the mail (I'd say if you get less than 100 pings today, you'd be lucky :P)
[19:31] <nigelb> ?
[19:31] <AlanBell> jcastro: just send everyone in here
[19:31] <jcastro> 52 windows so far
[19:32] <nigelb> oh, you can get to 100 ;)
[19:32] <AlanBell> jcastro: set an /away message sending them in here and go do something else
[19:32] <nigelb> AlanBell: +1
[19:32] <vish> yeah , neat AlanBell
[19:32] <jcastro> AlanBell: let's do it in #ayatana instead
[19:33] <jcastro> how's that?
[19:33] <pleia2> doh, cjohnston left, I think nigelb created an etherpad somewhere...
[19:33] <nigelb> pleia2: err,hold on
[19:33] <AlanBell> jcastro: fine by me (/me joins #ayatana)
[19:35] <vish> hrm , is it me or are the new fonts are seriously making it difficult to focus..
[19:36] <paultag> vish: :P
[19:36] <nigelb> vish: its you, get glasses old man :D
[19:36] <vish> kinda hurts :(
[19:36]  * nigelb runs. fast.
[19:36]  * pleia2 fails at finding link in logs
[19:36] <nigelb> pleia2: I gave him link
[19:37] <nigelb> my memory seems to be better than my logs
[19:37] <pleia2> nigelb: can you send me the link too?
[19:37] <nigelb> sure
[19:40]  * vish muuussstt nooot trryyy tooo reaaad.. look away!
[19:45] <pleia2> doctormo: docs/manual/learning collaboration meeting this weekend (20:00 UTC on saturday in #ubuntu-manual), will you be around? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-learning/2010-July/000170.html
[19:46] <pleia2> doctormo: fwiw, I don't care which way we go format-wise, I have those docbook drafts I showed you but am not really invested, I just want some kind of answer from the other teams
[19:46] <czajkowski> Technoviking: you rang
[19:50] <nhandler> Technoviking: They were going to post a UUD forum post and I said that you would probably be able to help sticky it when ready
[19:55] <emmajane> I'm getting a 401 error message on the ppa. :(
[19:56] <nhandler> emmajane: Give it 10-15 minutes, it should go away
[19:57] <nigelb> emmajane: everyone's hammering it ;)
[19:58] <emmajane> nigelb, 401 is "unauthorized"
[19:58] <nigelb> ugh, oh yeah
[19:58] <paultag> emmajane: wait a few minutes
[19:59] <pleia2> nhandler: has someone been assigned to updating the learning calendar for the actual dev week sessions?
[19:59] <nhandler> pleia2: I don't know. I thought akgraner was going to take care of that, but I might be imagining things again
[20:00] <pleia2> nhandler: thanks, I'll touch base with her then :)
[20:02] <ara_> jussi, hi
[20:02] <nhandler> Hey ara_
[20:02] <ara_> jussi, how was the irc command to release a nick
[20:02] <ara_> it was 30seconds before i could put my passwd
[20:02] <nhandler> ara_: /msg nickserv help release
[20:03] <ara_> nhandler, thanks!
[20:03] <nhandler> You're welcome ara_
[20:05] <ddecator> wb ara ;)
[20:05] <ara> ddecator, :)
[20:06] <nigelb> ara: Not watching the game?
[20:06] <ara> I was,  but I have a meeting now at
[20:06] <ara> #ubuntu-qualit
[20:06] <ara> y
[20:06] <ara> if you want to join us
[20:07] <nigelb> oh yes
[20:07] <ara> nigelb, what time it is for you?
[20:08] <nigelb> ara: 0030
[20:09] <jcastro> emmajane: how did you add the PPA?
[20:10] <emmajane> jcastro, I finally got it working.
[20:10] <jcastro> rock
[20:10] <emmajane> jcastro, usability fail though
[20:10] <jcastro> probably lp churning
[20:10] <jcastro> yeah, private PPA usage is not close to ideal
[20:11] <emmajane> jcastro, and I don't understand the messages on the fonttest site wanting control of everything?
[20:11] <paultag> apt was not made for access levels jcastro :)
[20:11] <paultag> emmajane: prob to get your email, name and username, I think
[20:11] <emmajane> paultag, then it should say that. It doesn't though.
[20:12] <paultag> emmajane: because it's using the launchpad lib
[20:12] <vish> emmajane: that is the regular lp lib
[20:12] <emmajane> "Change anything" The application will be able to access Launchpad on your behalf for reading and changing anything, including private data.
[20:12] <paultag> emmajane: and it's a generic login method
[20:12] <vish> :)
[20:12] <paultag> emmajane: so don't click it. I did read only
[20:12] <vish> paultag: if you set to read only , i get weird errors , i fond setting to "change anything" good
[20:12] <vish> wfm
[20:12] <emmajane> Grant it "no access" and it gives you a failure screen that you can't move forward from.
[20:12] <paultag> vish: Mine was fine
[20:13] <paultag> emmajane: well yes. It depends on knowing who you are
[20:13] <paultag> Read all should be fine
[20:13] <vish> "Additionally, when prompted to give apport-collect permissions for Launchpad you will need to give it at least the ability to "Change Non-Private" data as it will be adding information to your bug report."
[20:13] <vish> thats what we mention for collect it^
[20:14] <paultag> vish: I don't think that tool is apport
[20:14] <Technoviking> czajkowski: the loco forum are re-organized. :)
[20:15] <vish> paultag: yeah , its not apport , but those are the permissions it seems to require [for me]
[20:15] <paultag> vish: it was fine read only for me
[20:15] <vish> paultag: is it a known bug about the bold font?
[20:16] <Technoviking> czajkowski: and Matthew was able answer a loco question I had
[20:16] <vish> the top is blurry..
[20:16] <paultag> vish: don't know. Report it
[20:16] <vish> paultag: oh , ! it was AlanBell who mentioned it /me got mixed up  :)
[20:16] <james_w> vish: "For now, only the regular is available for testing, bold comes next." <- from the blog
[20:17] <james_w> if you have bold now then it is just making the regular font bold, so it will look rubbish
[20:17] <jcastro> yeah, don't use it as the titlebar font
[20:17] <vish> ah...
[20:17] <jcastro> or the terminal font
[20:17] <vish> james_w: thanks
[20:17] <jcastro> it will just be ewww
[20:17] <AlanBell> yeah, it is a computed bold only at the moment
[20:18] <Technoviking> jcastro: not horrid as a bold font
[20:18]  * AlanBell has it as a terminal font
[20:20] <jcastro> http://code.google.com/webfonts
[20:20] <jcastro> have you all seen those?
[20:20] <czajkowski> Technoviking: coolio, thank you
[20:20] <vish> hehe , I read this and jumped to the end :D   "I want to tell you but I also want you to read the rest of the announcement so I am going to put that information at the end"
[20:21] <nigelb> vish: LOL
[20:21] <vish> the very next line is about the bold font!
[20:21] <nigelb> vish: you've been cursed.  you can never see clearly wth that font
[20:22] <vish> nigelb: yeah , something is messing with my eyes.. not sure what/why :(
[20:35] <jcastro> JFo: everytime I try to screenshot and I end up sysreqing my machine to death I think of you.
[20:35] <JFo> heh
[20:36] <jcastro> on a more serious note, my new laptop is getting smoked battery with this irq balancer thing, do I need to hand it over to someone at the sprint?
[20:42] <paultag> jcastro: cmd might be at OLF
[20:42] <paultag> jcastro: and I think he played with that IIRC
[20:46] <JFo> jcastro, yeah, bring it on
[20:46] <JFo> I'm sure the guys will want to look it over
[20:48] <doctormo> jcastro: Access to a PAA?
[21:26] <doctormo> jono: Do you know anything about this private ppa?
[21:27] <paultag> yes doctormo
[21:27] <paultag> doctormo: it's for the new ubuntu font
[21:27] <doctormo> ah ok
[21:27] <paultag> doctormo: you should read teh email
[21:27] <doctormo> What email? for the private ppa? it says "None"
[21:27] <paultag> doctormo: the email contents
[21:27] <jcastro> doctormo: see planet!
[21:28] <paultag> jcastro: you might as well sign out
[21:28] <paultag> jcastro: how many PMs have you got?
[21:28] <jcastro> 52 total
[21:28] <jcastro> heh, it's ok
[21:29] <doctormo> hmm Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-beta-testing/ppa/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404  Not Found
[21:29] <doctormo> paultag: Explain
[21:30] <paultag> doctormo: chill
[21:30] <duanedesign> doctormo: i noticed the not says add-apt-repository does not work with ppa
[21:30] <paultag> doctormo: wait about 10 minutes
[21:30] <paultag> doctormo: it takes time to set up
[21:30] <nhandler> paultag: That is for a 401, not 404
[21:30] <paultag> doctormo: don't forget to include the GPG key as well
[21:30] <paultag> nhandler: I got a 404 as well
[21:30] <paultag> nhandler: I got a 403, 401 and 404
[21:30] <nhandler> doctormo: You need to use the special sources.list entries that contain your password (if you weren't)
[21:31] <paultag> wait it out doctormo. Check in 10 minutes or so
[21:31] <duanedesign> ahh
[21:31] <james_w> paultag: waiting won't fix that one!
[21:31] <paultag> james_w: lies! I got a 404, unless I fixed it unwittingly, which I am known to do :)
[21:31] <james_w> read the error message, it's not the address of this ppa. add-apt-repository won't work for private ppas
[21:31] <paultag> Ahha, nevermind
[21:32] <paultag> nhandler: james_w, you must both be right. I'm getting ganged up on
[21:32] <paultag> Help, Help, I'm being repressed!
[21:32] <duanedesign> lol
[21:35] <doctormo> The password in the sources list?
[21:35] <doctormo> seriously?
[21:35] <paultag> doctormo: dude, apt was not made for authentication
[21:35] <paultag> doctormo: you can't have it prompt for a password or lp authenticate on an apt-get update
[21:36] <paultag> doctormo: so just ID off a secret hash, and if it gets comprimised, just blast it and generate a new one
[21:40] <doctormo> paultag: For my launchpad password?
[21:40] <paultag> doctormo: you're launchpad password is not in there...
[21:40] <paultag> erm
[21:40] <paultag> your
[21:40] <paultag> reverse bad grammer
[21:40] <paultag> doctormo: what makes you think your LP password is in there?
[21:43] <paultag> bbl
[21:44] <highvoltage> I still get 401 on it
[21:49] <jcastro> highvoltage: takes about ~5 minutes
[21:50] <jcastro> ensure what's in your sources.list matches what it says on http://launchpad.net/people/+me/+archivesubscriptions
[21:50] <jcastro> (you need to click on the view link)
[21:50] <jcastro> it's like deb https://jorge:3249235490562389475689346528934blahblahblah
[21:58] <emmajane> highvoltage, it takes longer for Canadians. ;)
[22:01] <duanedesign> aha thanks jcastro.
[22:01] <jcastro> emmajane: I excluded him, that's how tired of vuvuzelas I am
[22:02]  * emmajane tries to parse that.
[22:10] <jcastro> emmajane: he's south african
[22:10] <jcastro> and that's where vuvuzelas come from
[22:10] <emmajane> AH!
[22:10] <jcastro> therefore everytime I hear one I think of highvoltage
[22:10] <emmajane> heh
[22:12] <dinda> jcastro: what's this ppa you just sent access to?
[22:12] <jcastro> dinda: see planet ubuntu!
[22:13] <highvoltage> jcastro: I got sick of vuvuzelas the first day of the world cup already :)
[22:13] <dinda> jcastro: ok
[22:14] <highvoltage> and then I made the mistake of bringing mine to the office in canada :)
[22:14] <jcastro> Man, if I were around and I actually saw a real vuvuzela I don't know what I would do
[22:14] <jcastro> I would lose it
[22:14] <jcastro> I personally can't wait to see someone try it at UDS
[22:16]  * dinda imagines someone witha vuvuzela at a hockey game - heh!
[22:16] <jcastro> dinda: we might steal mike modano from you texans today!
[22:17] <dinda> jcastro:  Texans are so dead to me.  all Houston team suc this year
[22:17] <dinda> I need a new hometown for sports
[22:17] <jcastro> I meant "texans" as a people, he played for the Dallas Stars
[22:17] <highvoltage> I guess my chances of ever getting UDS sponsorship ever again now dropped to below 0% even :)
[22:18] <jcastro> vuvuzelas in the uds pic would be classic
[22:20] <dinda> jcastro: see how out of touch I am with all sports but baseball
[22:21] <jcastro> heh
[22:21] <jcastro> man, if you guys think I'm annoying now, imagine if I had the power of the vuvuzela
[22:28] <doctormo> jcastro: You'd be like a stadium full of football supporters?
[22:32] <doctormo> dinda: It's great to see you again, not seen you for a while.
[22:32] <dinda> doctormo: work has been /is crazy
[22:32] <dinda> doctormo: good to see you're at FOSSED
[22:33] <doctormo> I am at FOSSed, talking about all sorts of things
[22:33] <doctormo> I redid my talk on how to use inkscape and other FOSS tools to make production media like posters etc.
[22:33] <doctormo> It went well.
[22:35] <doctormo> Time for dinner! talk soon guys
[22:37] <Technoviking> ugh, the new font looks uncool in gwibber
[22:38] <dinda> does anyone know if Launchpad is localized for Brazil?  i.e. can they use it in portuguese?
[22:38] <jcastro> doctormo: hey is matt oquist there?
[22:40] <Andre_Gondim> dinda, you can chat with me
[22:40] <dinda> Andre_Gondim: sure
[23:08] <jcastro> hey maco
[23:08] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-font-beta-testing/+archive/ppa
[23:08] <jcastro> I updated the instructions
[23:08] <jcastro> and posted them to the comments on the design blog
[23:08] <jcastro> are the comments slow to show up?
[23:08] <jcastro> I wonder if it ate mine
[23:25] <jono> jcastro, ping?
[23:25] <jcastro> jono: pong
[23:25] <jono> jcastro, for UNE, should I be using the Maverick packages or a PPA?
[23:26] <jono> I am running Maverick
[23:26] <jcastro> maverick
[23:26] <jono> ok cool
[23:26] <jcastro> the PPA was only for lucid
[23:26] <jcastro> but people used it anyway until we uploaded to maverick
[23:26] <jono> weirdly I don't see anything in the places launcher
[23:26] <jcastro> if you have it in your sources.list and you're on maverick you can remove it
[23:26] <jono> I don't see places or apps
[23:27] <jcastro> ah, you ran into a weird transition like me
[23:27] <jcastro> one sec
[23:27] <jono> I installed the extra packages
[23:27] <jcastro> ensure unity-place-applications and unity-places-files is installed
[23:28] <jono> oh hang on, it seems I have a half b0rked install
[23:28] <jcastro> also there is some mouse click weirdness going on in UNE that they haven't fixed yet
[23:29] <jcastro> so like if you click indicators the exit events don't register, etc.
[23:29] <jcastro> it basically runs "odd"
[23:29] <jono> right
[23:31] <maco> jcastro: thanks
[23:31] <jcastro> maco: comments still haven't shown up. :-/
[23:32] <nhandler> jcastro: Are they moderated on the blog?
[23:32] <jcastro> I don't think so
[23:33] <jono> jcastro, I am hoping gimp isnt crashy for me anymore
[23:33] <jcastro> Technoviking: heh, I think they look best in gwibber and empathy chat
[23:33] <jono> I imagine a GTK update fixed the issue I had
[23:33] <jcastro> when was the last time you updated?
[23:34] <jcastro> jono: also, don't hit printscreen for screenshots
[23:34] <jono> a while back as this box is bust
[23:34] <jcastro> there's a kernel bug that translates that into a sysrq key press
[23:34] <jono> network card is getting fixed this week
[23:35] <jono> so I am back to normal
[23:35] <jono> lol
[23:35] <jono> np
[23:35] <jcastro> and you'll inadvertantly crash your machine
[23:35] <jcastro> and sit through an fsck
[23:35] <jono> fun
[23:35] <jcastro> I blame jfo
[23:35] <jono> everyone should
[23:37] <jcastro> yeah, on top of that I got a laptop with awesome battery life and sold my beloved thinkpad
[23:38] <jcastro> and then run into a kernel bug that decimates my battery life
[23:38] <paultag> jcastro: you should try the 2.24 kernel
[23:39] <jcastro> paultag: I'll just let them have their way with it so it can be fixed for everyone
[23:39] <paultag> old == stable, right?
[23:39] <jcastro> paultag: did jfo submit to ohiolinux?
[23:39] <jcastro> iirc he was interested in a talk?
[23:39] <paultag> jcastro: I don't know. Did not hear much about it. I'm not up-to-date on who is talking
[23:39] <jcastro> cool, I'll ping beth
[23:40] <jcastro> paultag: let's do some lightning talks on the friday
[23:40] <paultag> jcastro: sure thing, I'm there
[23:41] <paultag> jcastro: after we finish up friday, I'm sure we can find somewhere to snag some drinks. See if we can get an Ubuntu takeover of a local bar :)
[23:42] <jcastro> heh, so just like last time
[23:43] <paultag> jcastro:"The same thing we do every night, Pinky try to take over the world!"
[23:45] <paultag> jcastro: did you ever see the Ubuntini?
[23:45] <jcastro> paultag: working on getting a local place to put it on the menu
[23:45] <jcastro> almost had them at my wedding but got cheap
[23:45] <paultag> Aww!
[23:47] <paultag> jcastro: 10% off for Ubuntu Members. Just plug in a USB key with your GPG Public key on it, loop up against LP, pull the photo and name, and boom!
[23:53] <jono> jcastro, wow
[23:53] <jono> running the gimp *screws* things up
[23:53] <jono> :)
[23:53] <jono> try it
[23:53] <jono> in unity
[23:54] <jcastro> in the middle of a really detailed blog post, gimme 10?
[23:54] <jono> sure
[23:54] <jono> also quick q
[23:54] <jono> what is the env variable to turn off the second menu in GTK apps?
[23:54] <jcastro> ouch
[23:54] <jcastro> it totally broke  my desktop
[23:54] <jcastro> can't click
[23:55] <jono> what did?
[23:55] <jcastro> running gimp
[23:55] <jono> haha
[23:55] <jono> it flashes like crazy here
[23:55] <jcastro> I can't click
[23:55] <jcastro> and holy crap, that menu is out of control
[23:56] <jono> hehe
[23:56] <jcastro> kenvandine knows the variable, I don't know it offhand
[23:56] <doctormo> It happens, it's trying to unify all icons into just one button.
[23:56] <jcastro> I suspect we'll turn off the double menus next weekish
[23:57] <jono> thanks jcastro
[23:57] <jono> doctormo, is there a bug filed for this?
[23:58] <jcastro> jono: tomorrow is dx release day, I'll follow up
[23:58] <jono> thanks jcastro