[06:31] howdy kim0 [06:32] jono, Morning ma [06:33] man* [06:33] :D [06:33] lol [08:04] good morning [08:05] morning dholbach [08:05] morning dholbach, all [08:06] morning ara [08:09] hey ddecator, hey ara [08:09] how are you all doing? [08:10] morning dholbach :) [08:10] hey nigelb [08:10] hey nigelb :) [08:10] doing good dholbach, how are you? [08:11] ddecator: great, thanks [08:11] finally working from the office again [08:12] dholbach: wait, you hve an office? [08:12] nigelb: since a couple of months I work from a shared office [08:12] nigelb: after 4,5 years working from home it was time for that change :) [08:13] dholbach: oh, thats cool. Sets the mood for working :) [08:15] as does a good cup of coffee :) [08:19] Huomenta! [08:19] Coffee has been instumental in saving my day today. :D [08:21] * nigelb waves to jussi [08:21] * jussi throws water balloons at nigelb [08:21] :D [08:29] * dholbach upgrades desktop machine to maverick [08:29] ara: ^ anything I should know? :-P [08:30] dholbach, mine worked correctly, but you can check mvo's yesterday reports: [08:30] http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/2010-07-06-15:03:01/ [08:31] it seems safe, unless you have bacula-director-mysql installed [08:31] * dholbach hugs ara [08:32] ara is just full of awesome [08:33] i've been debating upgrading...maybe i'll do it later this week if ara says it's safe :) [08:34] ddecator, maybe later this week won't be safe :D [08:34] ddecator, you'd better check mvo reports the day you want to upgrade [08:34] ara: good point. i'm waiting until after UUD, i'll probably ask you next week if it still is ;) [08:34] or check the reports.. [08:35] but, normally, if something gets terribly wrong (like a python upload that breaks every python application), it gets announced [08:39] yah, i normally upgrade at a3, but i've been bored :x [08:44] aloha [08:46] hey czajkowski [08:46] hi czajkowski [09:06] ddecator: dholbach howdy :) [09:07] hey - how are you doing? :) [09:07] dholbach beat me to asking :p [09:07] goood heading out for the morning doing some odd jobs and following up on jobs [09:08] catch folks later [09:30] james_w: I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-builder/+bug/602589 [09:30] Launchpad bug 602589 in bzr-builder "to add packaging 'nest' needs a flat file branch, no debian subdir (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] [10:38] jcastro: LP released yesterday already [10:39] jcastro: I'll have a quick call with mrevell tomorrow - he wants to be on the same page too, there's going to be no daily builds announce from the LP side [10:39] jcastro: he said we should mumble with abentley and him next week when they're in Prague [12:00] hey all [12:19] dholbach: awesome news :) [12:27] BACK : [12:27] :D [12:27] czajkowski: ohai [12:28] * czajkowski signed up for an course today on Project Management :) [12:29] w00t! [12:29] we need it :) [13:20] dholbach: http://i.imgur.com/Mozt9.jpg [13:20] something special just for you ;) [13:37] nigelb: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs087.snc4/35706_135346869822812_100000424996146_257724_1618065_n.jpg :-P [13:37] I just hope it's a good game - I don't care that much who wins :) [13:39] dholbach: hahaha! [14:05] does http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/bugfix.pdf look useful to anybody? [14:05] nigelb, james_w, jcastro: ^? [14:08] dholbach: looks beautiful [14:08] dholbach: Also, Folie in german means page? [14:09] "slide" maybe [14:09] page means "Seite" in German [14:09] dholbach: !!!!! [14:09] in the right side bar, I see "Folie 1" :) [14:09] IIRC Folie ist like a film slide? [14:09] nigelb: I think that means slide one [14:09] nigelb: ask dholbach, though. I'm not native [14:09] paultag: ah! [14:10] paultag: I think you have a highlight for german :p [14:10] nigelb: :) [14:10] dholbach: http://www.lottanzb.org/2010/07/lottanzb-0-6-daily-builds-available/ [14:10] james_w: ^ [14:10] nice [14:14] anyway, I'm calling it a day, going home. catch ya'll in some time :) [14:15] nigelb: see you [14:16] cheers nigelb [14:17] dholbach: looks good [14:17] dholbach: aha, maverick doesn't work for the daily builds [14:17] jcastro: cool [14:18] jcastro: oh ok - do you have a bug for that? [14:18] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599102 [14:18] Launchpad bug 599102 in launchpad-code "Source build based on recipe targeting Maverick fails (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [High,Triaged] [14:19] super, I'll add it to the KnownLimitations [14:19] any luck today? [14:19] with what you're trying to build I mean [14:19] I was doing like 318251356 other things, and I still don't know how I could get something built [14:20] so, no luck [14:31] dholbach: the graph looks good btw [14:32] jcastro: yeah, it just doesn't say much yet :) [14:35] anyone see the new iPhone? http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/4764273405_396564c798_b.jpg [14:38] *zing* [14:48] paultag: thanks for the mail on that gpg thing, added. [14:50] jcastro: sure thing [14:52] jcastro: looking forward to see what comes of it. I have nothing but positive results [15:44] hi all! [15:44] hey jono [15:44] hey jono [15:44] hey [15:46] jono: are you going to be in israel anytime soon? [15:47] we need someone to kick some loco arse on behalf of all of us [15:47] paultag, no immediate plans unfortunately [15:47] jono: their loco is shot, and the current contact just can't move forward with the old leaders still thinking they are in charge [15:55] paultag, ahhhh still having issues [15:55] LoCo Council are on it, right? [15:55] kim0, are you joining us today for the call? [15:55] jono: yup [15:55] col [15:55] cool [15:56] jono: We're working on it. Since those two leaders are no longer part of the team, we have Canonical Trademarks working on getting the Domain back [15:58] good stuff [15:58] thanks for all the hard work :) [15:58] you rock :) [15:58] jono: sure thing :P [16:00] dholbach, jcastro, kim0 let's roll [16:23] dholbach, jcastro, kim0 http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-community-maverick-alpha-3.html [16:34] alright, I call it a day - see you guys tomorrow! [16:34] * dholbach hugs you all [16:34] cjohnston: I totally closed the irc window by mistake with the info you wanted me to blog about! [16:34] bye daniel! [16:35] jcastro: was it about user days ? [16:35] yes! [16:35] Oh frak! User days! [16:35] I need to finish my stuff, shooot! [16:36] czajkowski: do you have the info on it handy? [16:37] jcastro: just searched in here nope [16:37] jcastro: let me go check some emails [16:37] Saturday July 10th 2010, 09:45 UTC - Sunday July 11th 2010, 03:00 UTC [16:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays [16:37] is all I have really [16:37] sorry jcastro [16:38] ok I'll just wait for him to be around [16:38] in the meantime I can blog about that papercutter [16:38] vish: were you able to find a pic? [16:39] hey jcastro, last year at OLF you mentioned asking for a double conf pack ( being largely Ubuntu lusers ) -- think I could pull that off? [16:39] you're an official loco right? [16:40] jcastro: well, yeah :) [16:40] I think I said something like "if you're an official loco and we know this is a good show you might be able to get more swag/ [16:40] dodgey Ohio up for re approval :p [16:40] >:D [16:40] because afaik we don't have double conf packs [16:40] paultag: when you ask lmk and I'll ask [16:41] jcastro: kk, will do, it will be today, I want to get the ducks in a line, if you know what I mean :) [16:41] quack [16:41] :) [16:41] smoser will be submitting a UEC talk too [16:41] so it'll be fun [16:42] jcastro: for sure, I'm looking forward to it [16:42] paultag: fried duck is yummy [16:42] will there be lightning talks on the friday again? [16:42] jcastro: Http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays I believe [16:42] cjohnston|cell: ok so just general advocacy of the even [16:42] czajkowski: mmm [16:42] I could have sworn you had something more specific, but cool [16:42] jcastro: pleia2 also made a blog post but I don't have that link right now [16:43] cjohnston|cell: dont forget to tweet/dent it using #locoteams [16:43] Nope. Just advocacy [16:43] czajkowski: There is a UUD tag [16:44] cjohnston|cell: have you gotten someone to post on the forums yet? [16:44] cjohnston|cell: Here is pleia2's post: http://ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/ubuntu-user-days/ [16:44] cjohnston|cell: aye but to let teams know about it [16:44] jcastro: Don't know. Not that I know of [16:44] ON IT. [16:45] Ty [16:45] I'm sure duanedesign or Technoviking or another forum staffer would be more than happy to sticky it :) [16:47] we need to like, reign in the stickies [16:47] too many these days [16:48] Well, that is up to the forum staff to handle. I certainly don't have access ;) [16:57] jcastro: hey, will get it in a few mins [16:57] no worries! [16:58] vish: I'm stepping out for some food, just mail it to me or something [16:58] sure. [16:58] vish: I'll add another call for help to the post too [16:58] awesome! [16:59] my lazy friend bailed on me for cleansweep, maybe he'll do papercuts instead [17:10] * nigelb waves [17:13] jcastro: is there even any point in filing OO.o Writer or Impress bugs? the issues are more general like "crashes repeatedly" [17:14] hey nigelb [17:14] dinda: helps if you say what were you doig just before it [17:14] dinda: I think she is talking about bug triaging [17:14] Erm, wait [17:14] dinda: I don't know your gender. Are you a she or a he. Very sorry :) [17:15] paultag: she [17:15] Ahha [17:15] Well then my message stands [17:15] nigelb: that's the thing, there is no pattern just general working in the program and it dies [17:15] paultag: /whois dinda would also clear things up ;) [17:15] nhandler: aye :) [17:16] I had a vauge memory, but I was not 100%, and I figued that out after I sent it [17:16] dinda: Still from a developer point of view, they appreciate details [17:16] dinda: I don't really use them, however if it's a serious issue I would poke calc directly, he's pretty good being responsive if something is driving you crazy [17:17] calc? robert_ancell? [17:17] chris cheney [17:17] I thought calc is no longer the OO person? [17:17] I think he's back on it [17:17] how did you shorten that to calc :p [17:17] I am pretyt sure he's back [17:17] nigelb: he chose the nick, not me, heh [17:18] nigelb: the problem is that to normal users, there is no time to triage or even file bugs, we just work around until we can no longer work [17:18] nigelb: OO.o is almost to that point for many of my projects [17:18] dinda: I don't use it either [17:18] dinda: I know. I understand that too. [17:18] nigelb: and the issues are don't follow any pattern as fas as I can see so kind of hard to even write a bug report [17:19] dinda: but if you're the one person who's helping by filing a bug, you'd be giving triagers something to work with while forwarding to OOo [17:19] dinda: I personally use google docs, but that can be limiting to alot of people [17:19] dinda: you can write that too :) [17:19] jcastro: we're talking about book level documents, 330 and 441 pages [17:20] indeed. :( [17:20] oh, ugh. No wonder. [17:20] but even smaller Impress presentations are now crashing [17:20] dinda: LaTeX ;) [17:20] latex++ [17:20] nhandler: don't even get me started on that path [17:20] heh [17:20] vim+latex :p [17:20] on a semi-related note, I am finding Zoho office to be pretty amazing (though web based) [17:20] nhandler: if you can find me an author and copy editor who can write in latex and knows Ubuntu well enough to write our course materials I'll hire them on the spot [17:21] dinda: What type of course material ? [17:22] nhandler: unfortunately most technical authors and all copy editors are still in the MS Word/Adobe in Design/Framemaker world [17:22] keep talking to nhandler and he'll write a perl program to convert OO.o to latex [17:22] nigelb: No chance ;) [17:23] dinda: where are you guys based? [17:23] One thing I do like about stuff like LaTex is that people can use tools like diff and patch to interact with it [17:23] nhandler: +1 [17:23] plaintext ftw [17:23] paultag: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelindaLopez [17:24] Humm. [17:24] nhandler: also vcs [17:24] * jcastro shakes the unix out of paultag and nhandler [17:24] jcastro: must... have.... pipes.... [17:25] paultag: we had one author write in plain text and the formatting was heck for the person who then had to turn that into a presentable book [17:25] dinda: ouch :( [17:25] dinda: LaTeX when done right is pretty awesome. That and you never know who uses GNU/Linux these days [17:26] paultag: same issue as doc team; writers just want to write and not worry about formatting or having to learn something like docbook or latex [17:26] dinda: aye [17:26] dinda: I can associate with that [17:26] paultag: If I could just get someone to make an Ubuntu LaTeX-beamer theme, that would give me a good opportunity to really make the switch [17:26] dinda: LaTeX is really really common with the Science field, and academic papers, esp with Physics, Math and Comp-sci, so you might be able to find someone, as odd as it sounds [17:26] nhandler: I was going to make one for my user days prez, but I figured no one would use it [17:27] paultag: been looking for 2 years for that special someone [17:27] also been looking for better latex/docbook to PDF tools [17:27] dinda: just so that you know, ubuntu manual was written in latex [17:27] dinda: I'll keep my eye out for a southern chap or bell and pass him / her on to you. IIRC there was an english grad student who reviewed one of my papers in LaTeX [17:27] they have gotten better [17:28] nigelb: yip, I know [17:28] paultag: Debian had an awesome latex-beamer theme. I would definitely use an Ubuntu version if it existed [17:28] nhandler: Humm. [17:28] somehow a whole bunch of people got together, wrote some good content in a new format, and got it out ;) [17:28] nhandler: Well I think I might have to invest some time in that. Thanks for motivating me :) [17:28] paultag: I know that j1mc also used latex-beamer for a LoCo presentation or two and would probably use it as well :) [17:29] * dinda thinks the Manual Project is just about the best thing ever! [17:29] paultag: I would start with the Debian theme and modify it to work with Ubuntu [17:29] nhandler: It's just Beamer, it's as easy as starting with a Beamer template [17:30] hold on, someone I know hacked on latex templates [17:30] nhandler: I was about 60% on one for my user days stuff, then I just started working and forgot to finish it. Typical [17:30] dinda: agreed there :) [17:34] hey jcastro, still around? [17:34] yeah [17:34] jcastro: can I slide you a PM? [17:35] yeah [18:13] jcastro: poke? Got time for a PM? [18:14] not right now [18:14] just mail me please [18:14] Ok, I'll mail you :) [18:19] nigelb: it will be obvious in 20 minutes what I'm working on. :D [18:19] :D [18:20] jcastro: Oh. OHHH. I hink I can guess [18:20] yay! [18:21] * ddecator is curious [18:21] Its either going to be about daily builds or about UDS :p [18:21] ddecator: the trick is to just cheer and make it seem you know :D [18:22] vish: agreed [18:22] Also, I'm curious about new LP release [18:22] nah, don't think so nigelb :) [18:22] the faking fu is strong with you guys :p [18:22] * vish is excited o.0 [18:23] ddecator: its one of the more finer points of being an ubuntu member for long :D [18:23] * nigelb gets champange [18:23] nigelb: has it been a month already? [18:23] nigelb: next week ;) [18:24] vish: you've got mail! [18:25] vish: let me know what you think. Probably the actual responsibility can be rotated among a few people. [18:26] nigelb: wow, you've been an Ubuntu member for almost 2 months to the day [18:26] lol! [18:26] nigelb: two days until your two month :) [18:26] paultag: I know ;) [18:26] paultag: though it feels like long ago [18:27] nigelb: I still feel like a n00b and I was put in in 2008-08-08 [18:28] paultag: for the love me I can't fix a broken ubuntu system, so yes, I'm n00b [18:28] oh why fight , you both are n00bs [18:28] vish: :) sure are [18:29] vish: 2010-02-26 for you :) [18:29] :) [18:30] I'm n00b for ever :) [18:30] everybody is...except pitti [18:33] http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/the-ubuntu-font/ [18:33] yaaay! [18:33] jcastro: is it official? [18:33] I am just waiting for planet to refresh to add the members [18:33] wow, I feel special! [18:34] private PPA for ubuntu members [18:34] I don't want people getting the invite before the instructions [18:34] jcastro: can I talk about it? [18:34] paultag: that's a public url [18:34] Righto [18:34] thanks jcastro [18:36] how often does planet refresh? [18:36] every 20 or so? [18:36] jcastro: 30 minutes IIRC [18:36] paultag: officially [18:36] unoffically, much faster [18:37] nigelb: well you have the avg time of TTL * 1/2 ( on avg ), so the avg wait should be ~ 15 minutes [18:37] paultag: that too [18:39] now i want to test it :( [18:39] ddecator: it's wicked nice, want a screenshot? [18:40] paultag: no, don't ruin it for me :p [18:41] man you are kidding me [18:41] adding ubuntumembers is oopsing launchpad [18:42] Oh noes! [18:42] heh [18:42] ok whew [18:42] ddecator: suffer! http://people.ubuntu.com/~paultag/NewFont.png [18:42] when someone gets the mail from lp please holler [18:42] the temptation... [18:42] jcastro: I did [18:43] paultag: GAH! [18:43] actally I got from you [18:43] oh awesome [18:43] jcastro: got it [18:43] I get the good karma then [18:43] o.o [18:43] i approve of this font [18:43] can i haz font [18:44] AlanBell: you haz mail! [18:44] * AlanBell gets a nice email [18:44] does the email really say from me? [18:44] yes [18:44] awesome [18:44] It shows up with Jorge O Castro [18:44] the one perk of all this work. :p [18:44] and there is a link to find out more about you! [18:44] haha [18:44] I has no email :'( [18:45] paultag: you has font already [18:45] :P [18:45] * nigelb steals paultag's contacts [18:46] ddecator: I invited the councils yesterday so we could test the PPA, etc. [18:46] right, now I have to just uninstall the font that accidentally fell out of the typography PDF [18:46] jcastro: ah, makes sense [18:46] nigelb: I actually _just_ fixed that [18:46] nigelb: because there are work folks on there [18:46] paultag: LOL [18:47] I didn't want PMs from 600+ people without testing the instructionws [18:47] nigelb: F5 on it :) [18:47] paultag: I saved the old version before I F5'd ;) [18:47] nigelb: :) [18:49] paultag: I worked for a medical transcription company and they had a help file. Some smart alec in tech did screencast without removivng sensitive information. He got hell for it. [18:49] Doh! [18:49] can you guys test that font tool [18:49] jcastro: doing it now [18:49] rock [18:49] jcastro: lol at the prince of bell air ref :) [18:51] nhandler: what is up [18:51] No issues [18:51] looks good [18:51] the people who got ubuntu membership at y'day's meetings must be thrilled [18:52] ahaha [18:52] for sure [18:52] good for them, they deserve it [18:52] paultag: especially buxy :p [18:53] is India in the EAMA or Asia /Oceanic board. I assume the latter [18:54] Asia [18:54] thanks [18:56] how about the Kurdish team? [18:57] not sure [18:57] czajkowski and popey: ping? [18:57] Technoviking: which country? [18:58] Kurdistan, Middle East. Been a long time since high school geograpical [18:58] :) [18:58] Technoviking: because the countries that use the language according to wikipedia are spread across europe/asia [18:58] turkey is in europe isn't it? [18:59] but iran, iraq, and syria would be asia [18:59] nigelb: thought a small part still was [19:00] Technoviking: Its been a long time since my last geography lesson too :( [19:02] nigelb: yeah I was watching the membership meeting yesterday and was like "heh" [19:04] jcastro: which one? EU/africa one? [19:04] I don't remember, the one yesterday? [19:04] oooh lots of glyphs [19:05] * nigelb goes to check [19:05] I see gustavo and fagan didn't read the directions! [19:05] jcastro: come up with a canned RTFM response :) [19:06] are any of you on i386? [19:06] jcastro: ubuntu keyserver is not responding :/ [19:06] you don't need the key, it just spits out warnings [19:06] IdleOne: that's the only repo with the key, too. Kinda a big deal :( [19:06] not like you can do anything about it I suppose but I felt the need to whine [19:07] * IdleOne breaks out the cheese [19:07] IdleOne: that fscking server breaks all the time. Someone needs to fix it [19:08] I removed it from my seahorse because it hangs the interface [19:08] package name is ? [19:08] just to confirm [19:08] and can I post it in here? [19:08] IdleOne: ubuntu-private-nda-fonts [19:09] hmm [19:09] IdleOne: it's in the email [19:09] yeah I wanted to confirm [19:09]