[00:00] \hyperref[sec:nautilus]{Περιηγητή αρχείων Ναυτίλο} should work. [00:01] So 'sec:nautilus' is the section to link to and 'Περιηγητή αρχείων Ναυτίλο' is the text that will be the link (colored, clickable, etc.) [00:03] thx godbyk :) [00:05] np [00:05] there's usually a way to do anything you want in latex.. it's just a matter of finding the trick. :-) [00:06] btw how was the latex conference ? [00:07] It was awesome! [00:07] I had a great time. [00:07] nice to hear that [00:07] Got to chat with Don Knuth for a few minutes and even had him sign the book I won as a door prize. :) [00:07] (Don Knuth is the guy who wrote TeX back in 1978.) [00:10] you are honored :P [00:10] is it ok http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/460013/? [00:10] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/460013/ * [00:11] c7p: Yep, that's better. Thanks! [00:11] np [00:12] the extra spaces at "\noindent Το " will affect the text on pdf? [00:13] Nope, it won't have any effect. [00:18] brb [00:37] back [00:39] nice [00:39] what else do we have to do for the greek manual ? [00:46] godbyk: greek tex file sent === Zeike is now known as brandonj [00:49] c7p: thanks [00:49] np [00:49] Once I get the glossary stuff fixed I think that about covers everything. [00:50] I'll look at our list again to double-check. [00:50] great [00:50] Is there anything else that you think we need to do? [00:50] Once I make the final PDF, I'll have you guys look at it to make sure it's all okay. [00:50] good idea [00:50] Then I'll give thorwil the page count and dimensions of the cover so he can finish that. [00:50] Then we should be ready, I think. [00:51] finally :P [00:51] If Launchpad would ever come back online, I'd build all the translations again. :-/ [00:51] c7p: I know! [00:51] hehe [00:51] c7p: Thanks for putting up with me and my slowness. :-) [00:51] Hopefully the other translations will go more smoothly now that we have a slightly better idea of what we're doing. :) [00:51] np you did what you could and you still do [00:51] yap [00:52] good night/morning/evening all [01:07] godbyk: how much have you looked into doc book to latex? [01:07] humphreybc: where is my design ? [01:10] jenkins: not too much, but I think that docbook -> latex -> pdf is the normal path to generate pdf from docbook. [01:11] actually, it's more docbook > xsl-fo > fop [01:11] fop creates the pdf output [01:11] and how does fop generate a pdf? [01:12] godbyk: I tried a file for the ubuntu translators guide, it worked ok but dblatex added some custom stuff. we need to find a way to stop it doing that. [01:12] godbyk: i don't have much experience with it, really. [01:12] I found this http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/FOP which leads to http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/ [01:12] i do know that the pdf output isn't great. latex pdf output is much, much better [01:13] In any case, I think going from docbook to latex to pdf will be easy enough. [01:13] there is the proprietary "renderx" which does docbook -> pdf output. opensuse uses that for their pdf's. [01:13] yeah, we'll want to make sure the output uses our styles and not the ultra-lame default styles (which are just ugly as all get-out!) [01:14] plus, having an intermediate .tex file means we can do any nit-picky typographic tweaking we want before generating the final pdf. [01:14] did you all see this? http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/07/06/weve-packaged-all-of-the-free-software-what-now/ [01:14] I *think* dblatex allows you to create custom styles [01:14] (and you know how I love nit-picky typographic tweaking!) [01:16] http://dblatex.sourceforge.net/ is the docs page [01:19] I just clicked on their Docbook example.. [01:21] whee! launchpad is back up. [01:27] godbyk: are you able to spare some python knolegdge and get http://pastebin.com/SWn91Dkh to print "yey ubuntu" please [01:28] jenkins: sure. one moment. [01:30] jenkins: the "if 'Ubuntu' in content' line should use 'str(content)' instead of 'content') then it'll work. [01:30] otherwise, it checks to see if one element in the list 'content' is equal to 'Ubuntu' [01:30] thanks, i would not have thought of that [01:31] np [01:32] jenkins: y'know, the lsb_release command is a python script. [01:32] jenkins: would be easier (cleaner) to 'import lsb_release' and get the info through there. [01:33] import lsb_release [01:33] I asked in #python and told it did not exist. I wll change it [01:33] distinfo = lsb_release.get_distro_information() [01:33] id = distinfo.get('ID', 'n/a') [01:33] print id [01:33] (or something like that.) [01:34] is that module also there on other distros? [01:35] absolutely no idea. [01:35] let me check red hat real quick [01:35] i think fedora does it differently. [01:35] red hat uses a bash script [01:36] does the lsb_release (in bash) still work in fedora/redhat? [01:36] it's looking in /etc/lsb-release for info [01:37] jenkins: yeah, red hat does it completely different. [01:37] so it looks like checking the lsb-release output is best. [01:37] er, lsb_release, rather. [01:37] ok thanks i will stick with that then [01:39] jenkins: http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/lsbrelease.html [01:39] jenkins: for what it's worth: [01:40] $ lsb_release -i [01:40] Distributor ID: RedHatEnterpriseClient [01:40] $ cat /etc/redhat-release [01:40] Red Hat Enterprise Linux Client release 5.5 (Tikanga) [01:40] thanks godbyk and daker [01:43] jenkins: http://bugs.python.org/issue1322 [01:45] thanks daker it appears the bash command is avalible but python has some idduse using its equivlent [01:46] yes [01:56] Any translators in here? [01:57] yes I do english usa to english uk :P [01:57] jenkins: heh. well, did the uk translation status change much in the past couple hours? [01:58] I just got a notice from launchpad that a new translation template was imported. [01:58] and I want to know if it marked previously-translated strings as needs-translated again. [01:59] no if you look at the page and sort by last chnaged it was 6 hours ago on danish [02:00] jenkins: yeah, I don't know that it modifies that timestamp. [02:00] what happens is that some of the translated strings get flagged as suggestions. [02:01] o well english uk is 100% still [02:01] and the translators have to go through and approve the suggestions again. [02:01] yea i am aware of the bug [02:01] okay [02:01] just making sure it's not wreaking havoc again. [02:01] (wish they'd get it fixed already. it gives me such a headache.) [02:03] I think it gives us all a headache [02:04] * jenkins is trying to work out how to write gtk menus manualy [02:06] * godbyk is trying to walk someone through fixing his messed up svn working directory. === Zeike is now known as brandonj [02:07] jenkins: menu = gtk.Menu() [02:08] item = gtk.MenuItem(''BlaBlaBla) [02:08] menu.append(item) [02:09] thanks daker, what about making each item do something? [02:10] item.connect("clicked", self.do_somthing) [02:11] ok thanks [02:11] menu.show_all() [02:11] * jenkins goes an plays [02:14] brb === j1mc is now known as j1mc|away [02:20] yes [02:20] tis me. [02:20] in the wrong channel. [02:47] humphreybc: have you finished the design ? [02:47] almost, just waiting on some pictograms [02:47] daker: did you update the planet? [02:47] not yet :) [02:52] why do you asked that ? are you going to change them ? [02:53] no but I sent you an updated PSD file with some changes [03:12] humphreybc, the interview is really awesome [03:13] which interview? [03:14] ubuntu-uk [03:14] oh [03:14] thanks [03:15] it means that you have made a lot of interviews ? [03:15] haha [03:15] yes i've done a few [03:21] daker: so you're still working on planet.ubuntu-manual.org? === Mobe_ is now known as Mobe [07:12] omfg, we have a support leecher in our loco channel [07:27] urh, 2 support leechers now [07:29] nisshh: hmm?? [07:29] support? [07:29] nisshh: nvm , i missed the "loco" part of your line :) [07:30] vish: meh, yea we keep getting people from other countries trying to bum support off of us [07:30] nisshh: hehe, you guys must be too welcoming ;) [07:31] we have to keep kickbanning them [07:32] vish: lol, no i dont know why we seem to get alot of them, they must get kicked out of their own loco channel or something [07:32] nisshh: alot ? > http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html [07:32] :p [07:34] vish: oh, haha [09:24] morning! [09:34] o/ [11:03] jenkins: hey, i have sorted out the permissions stuff with Rick, do you still want to help me out and write a chapter? [11:04] yea please nisshh [11:06] jenkins: ok, can you join the team: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-developer-manual [11:06] and subscribe to the mailing list [11:06] done [11:07] ok [11:08] ok, your approved [11:08] thanks [11:08] just let me know what i can do [11:09] jenkins: you know that wiki page i gave you yesterday that lists all the chapters? [11:09] yep [11:09] pick one of the chapters you want to work on [11:09] that can be your one [11:10] unless you want to do more than one of course [11:10] :) [11:11] they all have people by them. are those people still doing them? [11:12] jenkins: well, iv had a chat with aquarius, rick and didrocks, and they all agreed that if i/we/people wrote the chapters they would be happy to "mentor" us and make suggestions since they know what they are talking about [11:13] jenkins: one of the main reasons i took this on is because they all also work on maverick, so they have very little time to spare for the manual [11:13] ok thats cool, I can do Creating an application with Quickly or Building a User Interface with glade or both, I don't know what you had your eye on. there are others i can help with [11:14] jenkins: i was going to do all of them anyway so go ahead and pick whatever you want, im not fussed [11:14] whatever is easiest for you [11:14] also what is the state of the app that we are doing for it. I will do both then [11:15] jenkins: ok cool [11:16] jenkins: i have a branch of the sample app on lp, gimme a sec [11:16] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~nisshh/ubuntu-developer-manual/udm-sample-app [11:16] there [11:16] I was thinking we should create the app, and leave it in lots of stages in the branch so a folder for each stage. [11:16] currently you cant run that app [11:16] jenkins: not bad thinking [11:17] jenkins: we would want it to be runnable and useable at each stage though [11:17] jenkins: its a little identi.ca reader [11:18] so eveytime something major is done, make a new stage folder. yea it would work to some form at each stadge. full funtionality at the last stage. how hard will it be to make? [11:18] jenkins: not hard [11:18] jenkins: its mostly done already, all we need to do is break it up into the stages and make sure it runs ok [11:18] also that app is not a quickly app [11:19] its not? [11:19] oh, i thought it was [11:19] * nisshh shrugs [11:20] jenkins: looks like it to me [11:20] well quickly run does not work, we should make it a quickly ap if we are explaining quickly in the manual. there is no .quickly file in it [11:20] jenkins: no, that is a quickly app [11:21] jenkins: ah i see what you mean yea [11:21] jenkins: currently to run the app you will need the trunk code from quickly-widgets [11:22] o I was about to add the package from synaptic [11:23] jenkins: hehe, yea most of it will work except some new code [11:25] * jenkins gets quickly widgets [11:26] jenkins: in order to run the current app you will have to get the trunk and modify your path [11:27] * nisshh hasnt been bothered to do that yet :) [11:34] nisshh please let me know when you have the app working , I am failing at the moment [11:35] jenkins: it should be working [11:35] jenkins: are you making sure your using the trunk code for quickly-widgets? [11:36] from quickly.widgets.url_fetch_progressbox import UrlFetchProgressBox is failing I have the new branch from launchpad and its linked in [11:36] linked in how? [11:37] there is no url_fetch_progressbox file in the branch. I linked /usr/share/pyshared/quickly with the correct folder in the branch [11:38] jenkins: ah, no no, all you need to do is modify your path so that you are pointing at the trunk for quickly-widgets [11:39] thats the same thing though surely [11:39] not exactly [11:39] what do i do then? [11:39] you dont link quickly-widgets with quickly, its independant [11:39] give me 1 minute to get it setup myself [11:40] jenkins: which branch did you get from lp to get the quickly-widgets trunk code? [11:41] i did bzr branch lp:ubuntu/quickly-widgets [11:42] jenkins: ah, thats not quite right, thats the current code thats in the repos, youll need lp:quidgets [11:42] quidgets is the old name for quickly-widgets [11:42] hasnt been changed in lp yet [11:44] right got the old branch now [11:44] *right [11:44] yea [11:46] what now then, I like doing things wrong today :P [11:46] lol, one second [11:47] cant remember how to set my path right [11:47] nither do it [11:47] jenkins: sorry, iv got to do some digging [11:48] no worries [11:48] ok [11:58] jenkins: argh, i cant get it working just right [11:58] me neither glad its not jsut me :P [11:58] jenkins: iv got to have dinner, but ill be back afterwards and ill figure it out [11:58] lol [11:58] kk [12:07] nisshh: done it, I will explain after you have eaten dinner [12:16] jenkins: omg! how did you do it? spill the beans! [12:17] daker: you there? [12:18] humphreybc: enjoying your new membership? :) [12:18] well it works for me as I don't use quickly widgets otherwise. in the folder of the branch do "debuild" . in the folder above you will get a package. unistall quickly-widgets in synaptic and install the new one. you also need to search BeautifulSoup in synaptic. ( nisshh ) [12:18] nisshh: I haven't even done anything with it yet, need to set up my ubuntu email address and posting on the planet [12:18] humphreybc: ah yes [12:19] jenkins: ah thats how you did it [12:19] well it makes sense and its easier to clean up afterwards [12:19] yea [12:19] ah yes got it [12:20] the app is not very pretty [12:23] no its not [12:23] jenkins: we can always clean it up though [12:23] also the "Dent" button appears to shuffle the list or find more dents. [12:23] * jenkins nods [12:24] whats wrong with that? [12:24] can you add in the .quickly file please then people can use quickly commands. I think "Dent" needs a better name [12:24] on the button [12:26] daker, jenkins, i'm going to get quickshot.org very soon, so if daker could start working on the quickshot site asap then we can just move it over [12:26] :) [12:27] jenkins: ok, ill just be one xec [12:27] sec [12:27] jenkins: you know its an identica reader right? so its dent instead of tweet [12:27] nisshh: no rush :) [12:28] nisshh: yep [12:28] ok [12:31] jenkins: ah i see yes [12:34] jenkins: ok i added the .quickly file: bzr pull [12:35] jenkins: yea, quickly commands work now [12:36] cool [12:36] jenkins: so basically, each chapter should be teaching the user about that tool/lib as well as providing and explainging the code to them [12:37] we dont want each chapter to be more that about 3-4 pages [12:37] pdf-pages [12:37] yea, i think the glade one will be quite long, there are alot of settings in it [12:37] yea [12:38] try and keep that down to just the necessary settings plus a quick explanation [12:38] that should keep it < 5 pages [12:38] hopefully... [12:38] yep, :) [12:39] jenkins: so your fine with the quickly and glade chapters for now? [12:39] yea, i will see how much I can get done. [12:39] ok [12:39] have we got a latex code branch [12:40] jenkins: i dont expect us to necessarily have a release out for maverick so we will have to see [12:40] yep we do, hang on [12:40] ok thats good, I have a few other things to do for maverick [12:40] its pretty much our manual code without all the chapters really [12:41] jenkins: yea, if we run late we will just re-target to 11.04 i guess [12:41] I think we may do it a month after 10.10 [12:42] yea, maybe [12:42] depends how much we can write and if we get other people helping i guess [12:42] indeed [12:44] jenkins: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~nisshh/ubuntu-developer-manual/ubuntu-developer-manual [12:44] i havent changed any of it yet [12:45] ill add in files for each chapter once as we write them and ill get godbyk to teach me some tex [12:45] i mean ASK godbyk' [12:45] I know some tex, I have been working on the translators guide pdf. what do we need to know? [12:46] jenkins: just some general stuff, linking in chapters, formatting, translations, etc [12:46] i think we should have a different set of formatting to the other manual [12:46] i can do some of those things, I am sure godbyk will help us along :) [12:46] yea [12:47] i think i know how to link chapters in, and i can manage the glossary index stuff [12:47] what about screenshots? [12:47] yea, screenshots i think would be good [12:47] not as many as the other manual though lol [12:47] maybe 10-15 tops [12:48] how will we handle different languages as some of them may be harder to get than others [12:49] jenkins: what do you mean? === topo is now known as Guest74286 [12:50] well obviously there is quickhsot, but i guess we would have to translate the app and then get the screenshots of it then? What about one of glade with the app half finished? [12:51] jenkins: ah yes, hmmm, we will have to think about that i think [12:51] but yes we could use quickshot just like we used it with the other manual [12:52] yea, we will need to adjust is slighlty but we will have to think on it [12:52] jenkins: the above is exactly why i dont think we will have a maverick release :) [12:53] there is too much stuff like that :) [13:00] nisshh: could you do me a favour? [13:03] humphreybc: depends...what is it? [13:05] humphreybc: are you still there? [13:07] yes yes [13:07] could you add the meetings on saturday to the ubuntu fridge calender? [13:08] instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar [13:08] * nisshh doesnt know how to do that [13:08] ill try [13:09] humphreybc: the collab meeting and the manual meeting? [13:09] the fridge is only for the meetings in #ubuntu-meeting it thought [13:09] dunno [13:10] go to http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar and it says "It is used for #ubuntu-meeting" [13:10] ah [13:11] maybe ill just put the collab meeting there for now [13:11] unless we are having that somewhere else [13:11] it is in here #ubuntu-meeting is booked [13:11] ah [13:12] and so is our team meeting im guessing? [13:12] so far only manual team people are on the "attendees" list. I do not know of a manual team meeting [13:12] looking at http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/collaborationmeeting [13:13] oh [13:13] humphreybc: what meetings are we having on saturday! [13:14] * nisshh is really confused now [15:51] afternoon [15:59] jenkins, daker, jenkins, i'm going to get quickshot.org very soon, so if daker could start working on the quickshot site asap then we can just move it over [15:59] ? [15:59] he sent something ? [16:01] daker: I don't think anything has been sent yet there was those mockups on his home server [16:02] oh i think hi is just notifying us [16:04] I don't have the link for his server, we will have tio ask him for the mock ups [16:04] som eof the ext is wrong, like facebook links [16:04] *text [16:04] brb [16:11] back [16:12] jenkins, http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ [16:13] daker: http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/quickshot-pngs.zip is waht we want [16:13] there is no psd there [16:13] just pngs [16:13] yea, thats all we have at the moment [16:14] I guess e-mail ben and ask for them [16:48] daker do you know how to add keyboard shortcuts to gtk menus? Also do you know how to add a line going across? [16:49] ops not here [17:56] is Benjamin Humphrey is here? [17:57] godbyk, ping [18:02] abhi_nav: no he isnt, he is asleep right now and im about to go to bed as well [18:02] nisshh, who? godby or Benjamin? [18:02] abhi_nav: Ben isnt here [18:02] nisshh, whats Benjamin's nick? [18:03] abhi_nav: humphreybc [18:03] nisshh, thanksyou. [18:03] abhi_nav: no problem, try again in about 2-5 hours [18:03] you might catch him then [18:04] cya === topo is now known as Guest42801 [18:46] daker: do you know how to add the accelerator keys to gtk menu's. Like the ctnrl+Q one for quit [18:47] I have Q but can't get "Ctrl+Q" [19:03] jenkins, http://pastebin.com/inGzVKVP [19:05] daker: what did you change? [19:05] change what ? [19:06] just create an accelgroup fro the current window : agr = gtk.AccelGroup() [19:06] then add the accelgroup to the window [19:06] self.add_accel_group(agr) [19:07] ok thanks dak [19:07] * daker [19:07] key, mod = gtk.accelerator_parse("Q") [19:07] exit.add_accelerator("activate", agr, key, [19:07] mod, gtk.ACCEL_VISIBLE) [19:07] then tell him what to parse [19:08] then create the accelerator for each item you want [19:11] o daker sorry i should have said I have done http://pastebin.com/XTUbQyFd but can't quite see whats wrong [19:13] daker: got it thanks [19:14] quit = gtk.ImageMenuItem(gtk.STOCK_QUIT, agr) should be line 25 thats what I have got wrong [19:15] yep [19:18] now I have to work out how to make it very simple to add the menu bar to every quickshot window automatically [19:47] * jenkins thinks quickshot looks good with out menu's cluttering things up, shame we need them [20:00] flan: ping [21:50] jenkins, pong. [21:50] We don't need menus. [21:50] Config files FOREVER. [21:50] For. Ever. [21:51] flan: do you know how I can add the menu bar to the top of every window? we need it for the file a bug menu and translate this aplication [21:51] this is what i asked in #ubuntu-app-devel [21:51] I have my menu bar how I want it but how do I set it up in bzr branch lp:quickshot so it appears on every window. I can't work out where to put each bit. This is the menu bar http://pastebin.com/j7kM1L7y in a small sample window. I know I need to find a place for lines 15 -69 and a place for lines 70-71 and change it so that it works for the correct box "vbox1_welcome" . I would appreciate anyone who can spare a [21:52] vbox1? That's not an approved prefix. =P [21:52] It's actually a frame property, not a window element. [21:53] godbyk: you around? [21:53] right.. so do you know how to add it to every window easily? [21:54] Supposing the current frame is named, for lack of creativity, 'self', it would just be a matter of doing the following: [21:55] I have a file with a little sample window in that it adds the menu to . I don't knwo how to do it in the scale of quickshot [21:55] menu_bar = gtk.MenuBar(); self.add(menu_bar); ; menu_bar.show() [21:55] You'd need to factor the menu-populating code into a common function or parent class. [21:56] A parent may be the most elegant way to do it, really, since that'll offer a lot of convenience in the long run. [21:56] yea thats where I am stuck [21:56] Can you link to a working module's code? [21:56] Your major is compsci, right? [21:57] can you rephrase the question? No mechanical engineering, i am learning python as i go [21:57] Ah. [21:57] Okay, then. [21:57] * flan can't make assumptions. [21:57]