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| Rhonda | ajmitch, czajkowski, popey: I was told applying for MOTU would give me membership directly too - I just forgot to remove myself from the EMEA schedule. Sorry. %-) | 07:46 |
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| Rhonda | ajmitch, czajkowski, popey: Was rather a time constraint then too at that point with my private stuff needing attention. | 07:49 |
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| czajkowski | Rhonda: no worries | 08:43 |
| nigelb | 23 | 10:01 |
| nigelb | er, ouch, sorry, window fail | 10:01 |
| Ddorda | nigelb: i told you to stay away from that 7, even though it's blue and shiny, it is very breakable. after all it's still a window... | 10:02 |
| nigelb | Ddorda: 7? | 10:06 |
| Rhonda | haha | 10:07 |
| Ddorda | nigelb: how many 7 windows do you know? | 10:08 |
| Ddorda | i feel tricky today... | 10:08 |
| nigelb | Ddorda: heh, oh yeah. Anyway, I was talking about irssi windows. I typed the window number before my keybind for /windows | 10:09 |
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| cjwatson | hi folks | 16:01 |
| ev | hiya | 16:01 |
| barry | hello | 16:02 |
| mvo_ | hi | 16:02 |
| Keybuk | hi | 16:02 |
| doko | hi | 16:02 |
| psurbhi | hi | 16:03 |
| robbiew | o/ | 16:03 |
| * cjwatson desperately wishes it would cool down some more here | 16:03 | |
| cjwatson | though the Texan is going to tell me to quit being a wimp | 16:03 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: they don't have humidity in Texas | 16:04 |
| barry | cjwatson: or the DC native. DC was built on a swamp, something i'm reminded of this week :( | 16:04 |
| ev | it's 103 on the east coast | 16:04 |
| ev | of the US, that is | 16:04 |
| ev | cjwatson: has it been much warmer than London there? We've had lovely weather the past few weeks. | 16:05 |
| robbiew | Keybuk: eh hem....take a trip to Houston | 16:05 |
| robbiew | barry: ack...DC is INSANELY humid...but Houston is even worse | 16:05 |
| robbiew | el nino!!! | 16:05 |
| ScottK | IIRC, Houston is where air conditioning was invented. | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | ev: I grew up in colder weather | 16:06 |
| barry | robbiew: worse?! it must be like living in the clouds | 16:06 |
| robbiew | barry: more like the amazon | 16:06 |
| ev | ah, right | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | ev: dunno whether it's warmer than London, but I've never really acclimatised properly | 16:06 |
| robbiew | barry: plus DC doesn't stay hot as many months...and tends to cool down in the evenings | 16:07 |
| ev | cjwatson: you're in for a fun time if the next UDS is in one of those southeastern states. | 16:07 |
| robbiew | heh...might be Orlando | 16:07 |
| robbiew | or back to Dallas | 16:07 |
| * robbiew can feel the lurkers making note of that | 16:07 | |
| robbiew | who's chairing today? | 16:08 |
| Keybuk | Orlando sounds good | 16:08 |
| Keybuk | who's for a Space Mountain BOF? | 16:08 |
| ev | NOT I | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | last meeting log says it's me | 16:08 |
| mvo_ | space mountain? | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | #startmeeting | 16:08 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:08. The chair is cjwatson. | 16:08 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:08 |
| Keybuk | ev: wuss | 16:08 |
| ev | mvo_: roller coaster in complete darkness | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Lightning Round | 16:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Lightning Round | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | >>> print ', '.join(order) | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | barry, ev, mvo, cjwatson, doko, csurbhi, Keybuk | 16:09 |
| ev | Keybuk: I've played that game once. I came out very green. | 16:09 |
| mvo_ | *weeh* I'm too scared for this. I thought for a moment its a ref to a tad willisam book (space mountains, orlando, all there too) | 16:09 |
| barry | short week due ot usa holiday. f-m-robust-python-packaging: worked on versioned .so files patch; upstream email discussions; TODO write pep. f-m-python-versions: scripting py2.7 archive PPA in ~pythoneers; 2375 successful builds; 90 failed; TODO analyze failures. misc: python-distribute patch testing; installing maverick on mbp; uefi presentation. | 16:09 |
| barry | done | 16:09 |
| ev | Racing to finish as much of the installer redesign as I can before the sprint. Saving parallel debconf and gdk offscreen window work for the sprint. Currently finishing the automatic partitioning page, then wiring up the timezone page to a local copy of the new geonames service while I wait for IS to give me a server for it (RT #39986). | 16:09 |
| ev | done | 16:09 |
| mvo_ | software-center: work on lazr.restfulclient integration (gobject, non-blocking), plugin interface, buy-something, new-apps spec, fixes; alpha2 tasks (app-install-data, c-n-f-data, apt-ddp); python-apt: port gdebi debfile.py (with kiwinote) to python-apt, add tests, happy about the result; update-notifier: add plugin code | 16:09 |
| mvo_ | (done) | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | done: alpha-2 (mostly pitti); merged grub2 by-id handling into Debian at long last, and fixed a few bugs; almost caught up with my 10.04.1 SRU targets; some progress on foundations-m-grub2-boot-framebuffer, with apw and mjg59 (current state: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/tmp/fbcon-handoff.ogv) | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | todo: finish and submit kernel patch to add linearfb, for foundations-m-grub2-boot-framebuffer; background image handling fixes for same; get some testing on something that isn't just KVM at 1024x768 | 16:10 |
| doko | looking for bugs in openjdk-6 builds for older releases (ant bugs, bugs in the hardening defaults?) | 16:11 |
| doko | first python2.[67], python3.[12] updates, python-stdlib for maverick | 16:11 |
| doko | some merging of linaro-gcc patches | 16:12 |
| doko | (done) | 16:12 |
| psurbhi | 1) fixed some bugs in btrfs support for grub2. Submitted the patch on grub-devel@gnu.org. Waiting to see whether it can be passed as GPL3. | 16:12 |
| psurbhi | 2) worked on bug 598946 - of applying a patch for btrfs support to gparted. Submitted a proposed merge request for the same. Need to rework on this - got comments from cjwatson. | 16:12 |
| psurbhi | 3) working on the mdadm delta for maverick. Debian mdadm is at 3.2.1 while maverick mdadm is at 2.6.7.1 | 16:12 |
| psurbhi | 4) expecting work on btrfs for grub-2 once the patch is reviewed. Shall complete the merge for mdadm by then or before re-starting the btrfs work | 16:12 |
| psurbhi | 5) done | 16:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 598946 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "X fall in failsafe mode after install if nvidia restricted drivers are installed during LiveCD session in intrepid" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/598946 | 16:12 |
| psurbhi | oops wrong bug num | 16:12 |
| Keybuk | working on ureadahead reprofiling; this makes it so each boot is profiled for the next and changes in pack are averaged between boots | 16:12 |
| Keybuk | also looking into doing readahead directly on the disk, in preparation for defrag stuff with btrfs | 16:12 |
| Keybuk | ~ | 16:12 |
| psurbhi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gparted/+bug/598946 | 16:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 598946 in gparted (Ubuntu) "Include btrfs support for gparted" [Undecided,In progress] | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | psurbhi: ubottu is a bit buggy sometimes | 16:13 |
| psurbhi | ok | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | ah, that's everyone | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Outstanding actions from last meeting | 16:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Outstanding actions from last meeting | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | none that I can see | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Alpha-3 bugs | 16:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Alpha-3 bugs | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs?field.milestone:list=27561 | 16:15 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs?field.milestone:list=27561 | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | doko filed a bunch of build failures that need to be looked at | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | mvo_: can you take apt and aptitude? | 16:16 |
| mvo_ | sure thing | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: can you take upstart (two bugs, oddly)? | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | doko: I guess you're dealing with the gcc-4.4 bug there yourself | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | ev: could you take perl? | 16:17 |
| ev | cjwatson: sure | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | (ok, this is going to be sort of random now) | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | barry: could you take valgrind? | 16:18 |
| barry | cjwatson: yep | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | psurbhi: could you take iptables from that list? | 16:18 |
| doko | cjwatson: yes | 16:18 |
| psurbhi | cjwatson, yes | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | and I'll take, uh, cyrus-sasl2 I guess for now | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | that should get us moving a bit | 16:18 |
| mvo_ | I will look at more when I have a idle moment, usually its fun to fix them | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | yeah, feel free to grab more once you run out, this sort of thing is usually not too hard | 16:19 |
| * robbiew will also cover them in this week's release meeting | 16:20 | |
| cjwatson | oh, and make sure to check for newer versions in Debian; if it can be fixed with a sync or a merge, so much the better | 16:21 |
| barry | cjwatson: +1 | 16:21 |
| doko | barry: or new upstream/cvs for valgrind | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Good news | 16:21 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Good news | 16:21 |
| barry | doko: gotcha | 16:21 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: still waiting for launchpad to show me the bug#s | 16:21 |
| * cjwatson feeds Keybuk's network hamsters | 16:21 | |
| mvo_ | gdebi can now use the python-apt debfile.py and it became really nice | 16:22 |
| doko | good news is that some soyuz bugs for test rebuilds are now fixed, enabling rebuilds for armel, and selecting only one component (main). | 16:22 |
| robbiew | New release manager starts August 1st | 16:22 |
| ev | yay | 16:23 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: err, I'm not sure I can fix this bug | 16:23 |
| barry | cool | 16:23 |
| Keybuk | I'm just using dh 7 so it could be a debhelper bug? | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: talk it over after the meeting? | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: oh, no, it's a debian/rules bug. use := not = | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | in the armel case | 16:24 |
| mvo_ | release manager++ | 16:24 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: what armel case? | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | ifeq ($(DEB_HOST_ARCH),armel) | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | CFLAGS="$(filter-out -fPIE,$(CFLAGS))" | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | LDFLAGS="$(filter-out -pie,$(LDFLAGS))" | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | endif | 16:24 |
| Keybuk | huh, I didn't put that there :p | 16:24 |
| Keybuk | sounds like a doko-ism | 16:25 |
| * doko looks away | 16:25 | |
| cjwatson | looks like lool | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | cf. 0.6.0-4 | 16:25 |
| Keybuk | ah right | 16:25 |
| doko | hmm, the same is probably in libnih | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | surprised that didn't break before | 16:26 |
| * barry has maverick running natively on his mbp1,1 | 16:26 | |
| * mvo_ hugs barry | 16:27 | |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] AOB | 16:27 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | I'm a bit worried that http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-foundations-maverick-alpha-3.html has been basically static for the last week | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | please have a look and see if there's anything easy you can pick off :-) | 16:27 |
| robbiew | reminder to fill out https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/Sprints/Maverick/Foundations ;) | 16:28 |
| cjwatson | I realise a lot of things will likely get moving at the sprint, but I tend to feel a bit uncomfortable in release meetings when I have to say that there's been no feature progress | 16:28 |
| robbiew | and https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/Sprints/Maverick/CrossTeam, if you need to | 16:28 |
| doko | ok, will update some specs | 16:28 |
| * barry too | 16:28 | |
| * mvo_ needs to do that too | 16:29 | |
| cjwatson | ok, anything else? | 16:30 |
| doko | Schland!!! | 16:31 |
| mvo_ | doko++ | 16:32 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:32 |
| ev | work items> I've not been marking mine as completed as the installer design has changed slightly and created/deleted quite a few. I'll clean that up this weekend, hopefully not offsetting the total too much. | 16:33 |
| dholbach | me hugs doko and mvo_ | 16:33 |
| cjwatson | yeah, it's perhaps unfortunate that the graph doesn't colour inprogress differently | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | I wonder if it ought to | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | I have a lot of stuff inprogress upstream but not yet landed | 16:34 |
| barry | cjwatson: i think it should | 16:35 |
| lool | cjwatson: (-fPIE, is this for upstart? The original version was correct since it was a CFLAGS= passed to configure http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28983614/upstart_0.6.0-3_0.6.0-4.diff.gz probably the dh 7 refactoring) | 16:35 |
| lool | will discuss after the meeting | 16:35 |
| ev | what I'd really like is having (TODO, DONE, and X%), where X% could be how much of the task you estimate to be done. | 16:35 |
| robbiew | hmm | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | mm, of course that may just mean the WIs are insufficiently fine-grained | 16:36 |
| robbiew | well..if you have to estimate a task being done...perhaps the task should be broken in to more tasks ;) | 16:36 |
| ev | good points | 16:36 |
| cjwatson | but it can get a bit silly if you break down too much, hard to say | 16:36 |
| robbiew | true | 16:36 |
| ev | sometimes you just don't know what's involved | 16:36 |
| ev | and adding additional work items breaks the burndown | 16:36 |
| robbiew | ev: how so? | 16:37 |
| robbiew | you mean the trend line? | 16:37 |
| mvo_ | yeah, while I like WI I find it hard to plan them in adavance too well | 16:37 |
| ev | yes | 16:37 |
| robbiew | eh...don't worry about that...I'd rather you add work items | 16:37 |
| ev | noted | 16:37 |
| lool | problem is you cant even budget, one work item is one vertical unit on the chart; I think the server team extends them to be of variable size; one workaround is to budget workitems with Research day1: TODO, Research day2: TODO, Implementation day1: TODO etc. | 16:38 |
| lool | (we have the same problems wiht Linaro workitems being added :) | 16:38 |
| ev | heh | 16:39 |
| robbiew | imo, the burndowns are useful for knowing how much work we have left to do | 16:39 |
| robbiew | and for knowing when we need to defer/drop | 16:39 |
| robbiew | that's about it | 16:39 |
| robbiew | but those are REALLY usefull | 16:40 |
| robbiew | and something we didn't have before | 16:40 |
| robbiew | anything beyond those uses...gets complicated and really needs a dedicated engineer to address them all, imo | 16:40 |
| robbiew | /soapbox speech | 16:41 |
| cjwatson | I'll have a word with pitti and see if he thinks a separate category for inprogress makes sense; that's a relatively simple change | 16:41 |
| cjwatson | I agree that more serious development probably gets out of scope pretty quickly | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | ok, anything else? | 16:42 |
| ev | nothing here | 16:43 |
| barry | nope | 16:43 |
| robbiew | nope | 16:43 |
| psurbhi | could submitted upstream be a good milestone? because thats very close to "Done" | 16:43 |
| doko | depends much on the work item | 16:44 |
| psurbhi | ok | 16:44 |
| cjwatson | yeah, it varies a lot, sometimes that's close to done, sometimes that's just the first step in a safa | 16:45 |
| cjwatson | er, saga | 16:45 |
| psurbhi | ok | 16:45 |
| cjwatson | anyway, perhaps further work items discussion -> #ubuntu-devel | 16:45 |
| cjwatson | thanks all | 16:45 |
| cjwatson | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:45. | 16:45 |
| mvo_ | thanks | 16:45 |
| psurbhi | thanks | 16:46 |
| ev | thanks | 16:47 |
| Rhonda | finished at 10:45? | 18:56 |
| Rhonda | Shouldn't MootBot report times in UTC? | 18:56 |
| soren | Rhonda: It should. It never did, though. | 19:18 |
| soren | Rhonda: I think it's UTC-5 or something weird like that. | 19:19 |
| Rhonda | The person running it should just export TZ=UTC before starting the bot. | 19:19 |
| Rhonda | That should fix it. | 19:19 |
| soren | I think the fix is well-known. | 19:21 |
| soren | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mootbot/+bug/138905 | 19:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 138905 in Mootbot "Time is way off" [Undecided,Fix released] | 19:25 |
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| highvoltage | hey! | 20:02 |
| highvoltage | am I timezone confused or is it edubuntu meeting time? | 20:03 |
| czajkowski | highvoltage: you're always confused :) | 20:05 |
| ScottK | Right, but he was specific about the type of confusion. | 20:05 |
| highvoltage | I guess | 20:05 |
| czajkowski | ScottK: true :) | 20:06 |
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