=== jjohansen is now known as jjohansen-afk === v is now known as vorian === Mobe_ is now known as Mobe [07:45] * Rhonda peeks around. Did I miss a meeting? Oh, right. Erm … [07:46] ajmitch, czajkowski, popey: I was told applying for MOTU would give me membership directly too - I just forgot to remove myself from the EMEA schedule. Sorry. %-) === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [07:49] ajmitch, czajkowski, popey: Was rather a time constraint then too at that point with my private stuff needing attention. === Destine is now known as Final_Removal [08:43] Rhonda: no worries [10:01] 23 [10:01] er, ouch, sorry, window fail [10:02] nigelb: i told you to stay away from that 7, even though it's blue and shiny, it is very breakable. after all it's still a window... [10:06] Ddorda: 7? [10:07] haha [10:08] nigelb: how many 7 windows do you know? [10:08] i feel tricky today... [10:09] Ddorda: heh, oh yeah. Anyway, I was talking about irssi windows. I typed the window number before my keybind for /windows === io is now known as iodl === cking is now known as cking-afk === yofel_ is now known as yofel === cking-afk is now known as cking === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening === rgreening is now known as rgreening_ === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [16:01] hi folks [16:01] hiya [16:02] hello [16:02] hi [16:02] hi [16:02] hi [16:03] hi [16:03] o/ [16:03] * cjwatson desperately wishes it would cool down some more here [16:03] though the Texan is going to tell me to quit being a wimp [16:04] cjwatson: they don't have humidity in Texas [16:04] cjwatson: or the DC native. DC was built on a swamp, something i'm reminded of this week :( [16:04] it's 103 on the east coast [16:04] of the US, that is [16:05] cjwatson: has it been much warmer than London there? We've had lovely weather the past few weeks. [16:05] Keybuk: eh hem....take a trip to Houston [16:05] barry: ack...DC is INSANELY humid...but Houston is even worse [16:05] el nino!!! [16:06] IIRC, Houston is where air conditioning was invented. [16:06] ev: I grew up in colder weather [16:06] robbiew: worse?! it must be like living in the clouds [16:06] barry: more like the amazon [16:06] ah, right [16:06] ev: dunno whether it's warmer than London, but I've never really acclimatised properly [16:07] barry: plus DC doesn't stay hot as many months...and tends to cool down in the evenings [16:07] cjwatson: you're in for a fun time if the next UDS is in one of those southeastern states. [16:07] heh...might be Orlando [16:07] or back to Dallas [16:07] * robbiew can feel the lurkers making note of that [16:08] who's chairing today? [16:08] Orlando sounds good [16:08] who's for a Space Mountain BOF? [16:08] NOT I [16:08] last meeting log says it's me [16:08] space mountain? [16:08] #startmeeting [16:08] Meeting started at 10:08. The chair is cjwatson. [16:08] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:08] ev: wuss [16:08] mvo_: roller coaster in complete darkness [16:09] [TOPIC] Lightning Round [16:09] New Topic: Lightning Round [16:09] >>> print ', '.join(order) [16:09] barry, ev, mvo, cjwatson, doko, csurbhi, Keybuk [16:09] Keybuk: I've played that game once. I came out very green. [16:09] *weeh* I'm too scared for this. I thought for a moment its a ref to a tad willisam book (space mountains, orlando, all there too) [16:09] short week due ot usa holiday. f-m-robust-python-packaging: worked on versioned .so files patch; upstream email discussions; TODO write pep. f-m-python-versions: scripting py2.7 archive PPA in ~pythoneers; 2375 successful builds; 90 failed; TODO analyze failures. misc: python-distribute patch testing; installing maverick on mbp; uefi presentation. [16:09] done [16:09] Racing to finish as much of the installer redesign as I can before the sprint. Saving parallel debconf and gdk offscreen window work for the sprint. Currently finishing the automatic partitioning page, then wiring up the timezone page to a local copy of the new geonames service while I wait for IS to give me a server for it (RT #39986). [16:09] done [16:09] software-center: work on lazr.restfulclient integration (gobject, non-blocking), plugin interface, buy-something, new-apps spec, fixes; alpha2 tasks (app-install-data, c-n-f-data, apt-ddp); python-apt: port gdebi debfile.py (with kiwinote) to python-apt, add tests, happy about the result; update-notifier: add plugin code [16:09] (done) [16:10] done: alpha-2 (mostly pitti); merged grub2 by-id handling into Debian at long last, and fixed a few bugs; almost caught up with my 10.04.1 SRU targets; some progress on foundations-m-grub2-boot-framebuffer, with apw and mjg59 (current state: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/tmp/fbcon-handoff.ogv) [16:10] todo: finish and submit kernel patch to add linearfb, for foundations-m-grub2-boot-framebuffer; background image handling fixes for same; get some testing on something that isn't just KVM at 1024x768 [16:11] looking for bugs in openjdk-6 builds for older releases (ant bugs, bugs in the hardening defaults?) [16:11] first python2.[67], python3.[12] updates, python-stdlib for maverick [16:12] some merging of linaro-gcc patches [16:12] (done) [16:12] 1) fixed some bugs in btrfs support for grub2. Submitted the patch on grub-devel@gnu.org. Waiting to see whether it can be passed as GPL3. [16:12] 2) worked on bug 598946 - of applying a patch for btrfs support to gparted. Submitted a proposed merge request for the same. Need to rework on this - got comments from cjwatson. [16:12] 3) working on the mdadm delta for maverick. Debian mdadm is at 3.2.1 while maverick mdadm is at 2.6.7.1 [16:12] 4) expecting work on btrfs for grub-2 once the patch is reviewed. Shall complete the merge for mdadm by then or before re-starting the btrfs work [16:12] 5) done [16:12] Launchpad bug 598946 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "X fall in failsafe mode after install if nvidia restricted drivers are installed during LiveCD session in intrepid" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/598946 [16:12] oops wrong bug num [16:12] working on ureadahead reprofiling; this makes it so each boot is profiled for the next and changes in pack are averaged between boots [16:12] also looking into doing readahead directly on the disk, in preparation for defrag stuff with btrfs [16:12] ~ [16:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gparted/+bug/598946 [16:13] Launchpad bug 598946 in gparted (Ubuntu) "Include btrfs support for gparted" [Undecided,In progress] [16:13] psurbhi: ubottu is a bit buggy sometimes [16:13] ok [16:15] ah, that's everyone [16:15] [TOPIC] Outstanding actions from last meeting [16:15] New Topic: Outstanding actions from last meeting [16:15] none that I can see [16:15] [TOPIC] Alpha-3 bugs [16:15] New Topic: Alpha-3 bugs [16:15] [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs?field.milestone:list=27561 [16:15] LINK received: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs?field.milestone:list=27561 [16:15] doko filed a bunch of build failures that need to be looked at [16:16] mvo_: can you take apt and aptitude? [16:16] sure thing [16:16] Keybuk: can you take upstart (two bugs, oddly)? [16:17] doko: I guess you're dealing with the gcc-4.4 bug there yourself [16:17] ev: could you take perl? [16:17] cjwatson: sure [16:17] (ok, this is going to be sort of random now) [16:18] barry: could you take valgrind? [16:18] cjwatson: yep [16:18] psurbhi: could you take iptables from that list? [16:18] cjwatson: yes [16:18] cjwatson, yes [16:18] and I'll take, uh, cyrus-sasl2 I guess for now [16:18] that should get us moving a bit [16:19] I will look at more when I have a idle moment, usually its fun to fix them [16:19] yeah, feel free to grab more once you run out, this sort of thing is usually not too hard [16:20] * robbiew will also cover them in this week's release meeting [16:21] oh, and make sure to check for newer versions in Debian; if it can be fixed with a sync or a merge, so much the better [16:21] cjwatson: +1 [16:21] barry: or new upstream/cvs for valgrind [16:21] [TOPIC] Good news [16:21] New Topic: Good news [16:21] doko: gotcha [16:21] cjwatson: still waiting for launchpad to show me the bug#s [16:21] * cjwatson feeds Keybuk's network hamsters [16:22] gdebi can now use the python-apt debfile.py and it became really nice [16:22] good news is that some soyuz bugs for test rebuilds are now fixed, enabling rebuilds for armel, and selecting only one component (main). [16:22] New release manager starts August 1st [16:23] yay [16:23] cjwatson: err, I'm not sure I can fix this bug [16:23] cool [16:23] I'm just using dh 7 so it could be a debhelper bug? [16:23] Keybuk: talk it over after the meeting? [16:24] Keybuk: oh, no, it's a debian/rules bug. use := not = [16:24] in the armel case [16:24] release manager++ [16:24] cjwatson: what armel case? [16:24] ifeq ($(DEB_HOST_ARCH),armel) [16:24] CFLAGS="$(filter-out -fPIE,$(CFLAGS))" [16:24] LDFLAGS="$(filter-out -pie,$(LDFLAGS))" [16:24] endif [16:24] huh, I didn't put that there :p [16:25] sounds like a doko-ism [16:25] * doko looks away [16:25] looks like lool [16:25] cf. 0.6.0-4 [16:25] ah right [16:25] hmm, the same is probably in libnih [16:26] surprised that didn't break before [16:26] * barry has maverick running natively on his mbp1,1 [16:27] * mvo_ hugs barry [16:27] [TOPIC] AOB [16:27] New Topic: AOB [16:27] I'm a bit worried that http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-foundations-maverick-alpha-3.html has been basically static for the last week [16:27] please have a look and see if there's anything easy you can pick off :-) [16:28] reminder to fill out https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/Sprints/Maverick/Foundations ;) [16:28] I realise a lot of things will likely get moving at the sprint, but I tend to feel a bit uncomfortable in release meetings when I have to say that there's been no feature progress [16:28] and https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/Sprints/Maverick/CrossTeam, if you need to [16:28] ok, will update some specs [16:28] * barry too [16:29] * mvo_ needs to do that too [16:30] ok, anything else? [16:31] Schland!!! [16:32] doko++ [16:32] lol [16:33] work items> I've not been marking mine as completed as the installer design has changed slightly and created/deleted quite a few. I'll clean that up this weekend, hopefully not offsetting the total too much. [16:33] me hugs doko and mvo_ [16:34] yeah, it's perhaps unfortunate that the graph doesn't colour inprogress differently [16:34] I wonder if it ought to [16:34] I have a lot of stuff inprogress upstream but not yet landed [16:35] cjwatson: i think it should [16:35] cjwatson: (-fPIE, is this for upstart? The original version was correct since it was a CFLAGS= passed to configure http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28983614/upstart_0.6.0-3_0.6.0-4.diff.gz probably the dh 7 refactoring) [16:35] will discuss after the meeting [16:35] what I'd really like is having (TODO, DONE, and X%), where X% could be how much of the task you estimate to be done. [16:35] hmm [16:36] mm, of course that may just mean the WIs are insufficiently fine-grained [16:36] well..if you have to estimate a task being done...perhaps the task should be broken in to more tasks ;) [16:36] good points [16:36] but it can get a bit silly if you break down too much, hard to say [16:36] true [16:36] sometimes you just don't know what's involved [16:36] and adding additional work items breaks the burndown [16:37] ev: how so? [16:37] you mean the trend line? [16:37] yeah, while I like WI I find it hard to plan them in adavance too well [16:37] yes [16:37] eh...don't worry about that...I'd rather you add work items [16:37] noted [16:38] problem is you cant even budget, one work item is one vertical unit on the chart; I think the server team extends them to be of variable size; one workaround is to budget workitems with Research day1: TODO, Research day2: TODO, Implementation day1: TODO etc. [16:38] (we have the same problems wiht Linaro workitems being added :) [16:39] heh [16:39] imo, the burndowns are useful for knowing how much work we have left to do [16:39] and for knowing when we need to defer/drop [16:39] that's about it [16:40] but those are REALLY usefull [16:40] and something we didn't have before [16:40] anything beyond those uses...gets complicated and really needs a dedicated engineer to address them all, imo [16:41] /soapbox speech [16:41] I'll have a word with pitti and see if he thinks a separate category for inprogress makes sense; that's a relatively simple change [16:42] I agree that more serious development probably gets out of scope pretty quickly [16:42] ok, anything else? [16:43] nothing here [16:43] nope [16:43] nope [16:43] could submitted upstream be a good milestone? because thats very close to "Done" [16:44] depends much on the work item [16:44] ok [16:45] yeah, it varies a lot, sometimes that's close to done, sometimes that's just the first step in a safa [16:45] er, saga [16:45] ok [16:45] anyway, perhaps further work items discussion -> #ubuntu-devel [16:45] thanks all [16:45] #endmeeting [16:45] Meeting finished at 10:45. [16:45] thanks [16:46] thanks [16:47] thanks [18:56] finished at 10:45? [18:56] Shouldn't MootBot report times in UTC? [19:18] Rhonda: It should. It never did, though. [19:19] Rhonda: I think it's UTC-5 or something weird like that. [19:19] The person running it should just export TZ=UTC before starting the bot. [19:19] That should fix it. [19:21] I think the fix is well-known. [19:25] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mootbot/+bug/138905 [19:25] Launchpad bug 138905 in Mootbot "Time is way off" [Undecided,Fix released] === st33med_ is now known as st33med [20:02] hey! [20:03] am I timezone confused or is it edubuntu meeting time? [20:05] highvoltage: you're always confused :) [20:05] Right, but he was specific about the type of confusion. [20:05] I guess [20:06] ScottK: true :) [20:08] * highvoltage gets back to another meeting that was paused... === MichealH_ is now known as MichealH === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann-away === oubiwann-away is now known as oubiwann === rsalveti` is now known as rsalveti