| === sparkle_history is now known as sparklehistory | ||
| Takyoji | Bleh, I feel pathetic that I haven't taught my parents in depth of how to use a computer | 02:19 |
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| kermit | you dont want them online | 02:27 |
| kermit | they'll email you and message you and post to your facebook wall | 02:27 |
| kermit | and want to video chat | 02:27 |
| kermit | and play yahoo games | 02:27 |
| Takyoji | My mother already uses Facebook. :P | 02:29 |
| Takyoji | all she currently uses is Firefox and Evolution. | 02:30 |
| Takyoji | And all my father uses is Evolution. | 02:30 |
| Takyoji | otherwise it would be a bit more beneficial for my father since he barely has an computer knowledge, and that's really the kind of thing he needs for employment in some cases. | 02:34 |
| Takyoji | I also have to plan an update procedure for the family desktop as well yet | 02:35 |
| Takyoji | I have yet to boot the 10.04 LiveCD to see if the system even functions. :P | 02:35 |
| Takyoji | Anyone have a spare LCD monitor they're willing to sell? | 02:38 |
| tonyyarusso | Takyoji: Only if you're paying enough to replace it with :P | 03:09 |
| * Takyoji_ wonders if anyone is alive | 03:14 | |
| * tonyyarusso is | 03:16 | |
| tonyyarusso | boring, but alive | 03:16 |
| Takyoji_ | Is there a method to upgrade from 9.04 to 10.04? | 03:16 |
| sparklehistory | tonyyarusso: clincally anyways :P | 03:16 |
| Takyoji_ | Without having to upgrade to 9.10 first? | 03:16 |
| tonyyarusso | no | 03:17 |
| Takyoji_ | alright, I'll do the long way then | 03:17 |
| Takyoji | Yay | 03:39 |
| Takyoji | Didn't know they added this: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/06/enable-users-to-login-automatically-without-passwords-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/ | 03:40 |
| Takyoji | That makes my life simpler | 03:40 |
| Takyoji | Because there was an annoying workaround that you'd have to do in order to do it with GDM | 03:40 |
| Takyoji | Anyone used BURG at all? | 05:06 |
| Takyoji | of which is basically graphical GRUB | 05:07 |
| _diablo | Takyoji: I've seen it, but no, never tried it | 07:50 |
| Takyoji | Well that was an interesting case. I upgraded the family desktop to 10.04, and when I popped in my mother's account, the cursor was invisible. | 07:51 |
| _diablo | whoa. weird | 08:10 |
| Takyoji | And setting the cursor via the Appearance panel didn't do anything | 08:10 |
| _diablo | yeah, I never update anything. I find a fresh install to be by far the cleanest way of dealing with these things | 08:10 |
| Takyoji | So I had to run: sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme | 08:11 |
| Takyoji | to basically reset the cursor theme system-wide | 08:11 |
| Takyoji | and of course it worked thereafter just fine | 08:14 |
| Takyoji | Ooo, software-center seems to be getting more orderly of categorization | 08:23 |
| Takyoji | However "Office" and "Accessories" are not organized into subcategories yet.. | 08:24 |
| _diablo | hmmmm, odd | 08:31 |
| Takyoji | But still, it's progress! | 08:32 |
| _diablo | yup! | 08:32 |
| _diablo | night all | 08:32 |
| Takyoji | Night | 08:32 |
| Takyoji | For LPIC, do you have to go step-by-step, or just test for any level of the certification? | 20:18 |
| Takyoji | ahh, I guess it is a prerequisite to have the prior certification. | 20:19 |
| Obsidian1723 | Start at 1 | 20:24 |
| Obsidian1723 | Honestly, all you need for Linux is the Linux+ | 20:24 |
| Obsidian1723 | I've never seen anyon e ask for a RHCE, UCP, LPICx, etc | 20:25 |
| Obsidian1723 | The path I wsent is DCSE > Network+ > Linux+ > going for Secureity+ and then a CISSP. | 20:25 |
| Obsidian1723 | Out of a 900 perfect score on the Linux+, I got 850. | 20:25 |
| Obsidian1723 | With the LPICs, if you let them lapse, you must start all the way over, like with Cisco. | 20:26 |
| Takyoji | I could get Linux+ done any day. :P | 20:29 |
| Takyoji | last time I checked the objectives of it | 20:30 |
| Obsidian1723 | Why not do it then? | 20:32 |
| Obsidian1723 | I'm simply stating that with Linux, certs aren't really needed - except to get by HR. | 20:32 |
| kermit | Obsidian1723: haha yeah i was juts telling a friend that | 20:34 |
| kermit | he suggested we go get certs togerther.. i said one cert on my otherwise non existant resume would look worse than none. | 20:35 |
| Obsidian1723 | I've never seen anyone ask for a Linux cert. | 20:35 |
| Obsidian1723 | yeah | 20:35 |
| Obsidian1723 | certs alone = bad | 20:35 |
| Obsidian1723 | experience alone = bad | 20:35 |
| Obsidian1723 | both together = good | 20:35 |
| Obsidian1723 | If push comes to shove, one vs the other, experience is better. | 20:36 |
| Obsidian1723 | all certs do is say that you have put i nthe time and can meet a certain standard. | 20:36 |
| Obsidian1723 | or at least you SHOULD be able to. | 20:36 |
| kermit | i just want to put "1983: c64 -> 1987: DOS -> 1996: linux and on rare occation, some win" and leave the rest blank ;) | 20:36 |
| kermit | on my resume | 20:36 |
| Obsidian1723 | Certs is a nice CYA for HR. "Well Jim, when Tom took down the entire network by mistake, he SAID he was a network enigeer" vs " Well Jim, Tom had an impressive resume with experience and the certs, so he should have known better." | 20:37 |
| Takyoji | Considering I'm generally freelance, I'd only be able to go along the lines of a work portfolio since I haven't actually "worked" on an hourly basis within a company, yes? | 20:38 |
| kermit | i may go for an "i've never needed a 'job' before, so until i figure out how to properly market myself, you're going to get a steal for my services." approach. | 20:38 |
| Obsidian1723 | more project based, yeah | 20:38 |
| kermit | the trick with job hunting is to not sound arrogant, but still sound usefu | 20:39 |
| kermit | l | 20:39 |
| Obsidian1723 | I use certs because then my customers can have a certified tech, and my employer can also benefit at my dayjob. | 20:39 |
| Takyoji | Because my mother is just forcing me to do the ol' flippin' burgers at a fast food restaurant. xP | 20:39 |
| Takyoji | and I can certainly get better employment than that. | 20:40 |
| Obsidian1723 | kermit, yeah, but more than that. The trick is to demonstrate and show that "Here is what I have done in the past. Here is what I can do for you now and in the future." Find a need and fulfill it for them. | 20:40 |
| Obsidian1723 | Tak, maybe. | 20:40 |
| Obsidian1723 | How old are you? | 20:40 |
| Takyoji | 18 | 20:41 |
| kermit | Takyoji: omg i'm twice as old as you | 20:41 |
| Obsidian1723 | Well, you may get in somewhere, youth is on your side, but not experience. | 20:41 |
| Takyoji | I've always done freelance, I haven't had an hourly job | 20:41 |
| * kermit thanks Obsidian1723 for being older | 20:41 | |
| Obsidian1723 | I'm 43. Been at this whole computer deal since the late 70s. | 20:41 |
| Obsidian1723 | heh | 20:41 |
| kermit | Obsidian1723: are you mark christiansen? | 20:42 |
| kermit | hmm no he wouldnt IRC that much | 20:42 |
| Obsidian1723 | Nope | 20:42 |
| Obsidian1723 | heh I used to irc a lot more in the past. who is Mark? | 20:42 |
| Takyoji | I've had a couple years of web design, web development, and server administration. | 20:43 |
| kermit | Obsidian1723: he ran an ISP until 2000 | 20:43 |
| Takyoji | PHP for at least 5 or so years now. | 20:44 |
| kermit | Obsidian1723: do you remember twinlink, angmar, or orbis? | 20:44 |
| Obsidian1723 | ah | 20:44 |
| Obsidian1723 | Twinlink, yeah | 20:44 |
| kermit | i was on there a lot in 1988 | 20:45 |
| Obsidian1723 | I used to work for a local ISP back in 1996 | 20:45 |
| kermit | were you on there? | 20:45 |
| Obsidian1723 | No. | 20:45 |
| Obsidian1723 | I used to work for a local ISP | 20:45 |
| Obsidian1723 | MinnNet Communications, Inc. | 20:46 |
| Obsidian1723 | Remember Bitstream Underground and Winternet? | 20:47 |
| kermit | i recall the name winternet | 20:47 |
| kermit | minnet or muinet? | 20:47 |
| kermit | i was on muinet | 20:47 |
| Obsidian1723 | old skool | 20:47 |
| Obsidian1723 | MinnNet | 20:47 |
| Obsidian1723 | Remember when the bums started a fire and took out the communications fo Minneapolis? | 20:48 |
| kermit | haha yeah | 20:54 |
| Obsidian1723 | good times back then. | 21:04 |
| kermit | Obsidian1723: remember when there was real competition for internet access? | 21:07 |
| kermit | that was good times, in a somewhat nefarious way ;) | 21:07 |
| Obsidian1723 | yeah, now we are looking at net netruality going away. | 21:09 |
| Obsidian1723 | Takyoji, I'm curious.. if the Linux+ is so easy, why haven't you got one yet? | 21:10 |
| Obsidian1723 | kermit, ever meet Mike Horwath? | 21:10 |
| kermit | the name doesnt sound familiar | 21:10 |
| Obsidian1723 | Old linux geek from back in the day. He was the admin for Visi, now IPHouse | 21:11 |
| Takyoji | Obsidian1723: I will. :P | 21:12 |
| kermit | i hear visi is taking tons of interviews | 21:12 |
| kermit | but not hiring anyone | 21:12 |
| Takyoji | Otherwise I just got out of high school a few months ago, and getting it during high school would be bit useless generally | 21:13 |
| Takyoji | as it expires over time if I remember correctly | 21:13 |
| _diablo | for getting into server admin work, what should I do to even start getting into it? I've been setting up my own for a while, but don't really know things formally. Should I be aiming for A+ and such? | 21:13 |
| _diablo | (just graduated college with a useless degree) | 21:13 |
| Takyoji | Isn't A+ basic hardware components and understanding how an Windows boots? | 21:14 |
| kermit | the impression i have being an admin isnt somehting you 'get into'.. its somehting you just are. | 21:14 |
| Takyoji | how Windows boots* | 21:14 |
| _diablo | Takyoji: yeah, but all the jobs that I've seen in IT require it... :( | 21:15 |
| Takyoji | and hardware troubleshooting | 21:15 |
| _diablo | or even just how to get into IT work e.g. help desk, school networking, administration | 21:15 |
| _diablo | kermit: how did you start? | 21:15 |
| kermit | _diablo: i've been using linux since 1996 almost exclusively | 21:16 |
| kermit | i went from dos to linux, rarely using win | 21:16 |
| Takyoji | as for Linux+, apparently you can also get LPIC-1 as well with it | 21:16 |
| _diablo | kermit: but what do you do for work? | 21:16 |
| kermit | _diablo: i'm unemployeed.. i guess you'd call me a 'linux systems engineer' | 21:16 |
| kermit | i'll do admin or dev | 21:16 |
| _diablo | ah, okay. fair enough | 21:16 |
| kermit | _diablo: i have the opposite problem as you, i have tons of skills but nothing to put on a resume for degrees/certs | 21:17 |
| _diablo | kermit: yeah, I have no IT degree or cert... Just a fairly useless econ degree. Just graduated and looking for any job now, even mcdonald's | 21:18 |
| Obsidian1723 | Linux+ is lifetime. | 21:24 |
| kermit | _diablo: no work in econ? | 21:24 |
| _diablo | kermit: no, not really :( I don't even know where to start | 21:24 |
| Takyoji | I'm a bit skeptical of lifetime certifications | 21:25 |
| kermit | _diablo: i dont know much about college but i thought they sort of take care of job placement or push you in the right direction | 21:25 |
| Obsidian1723 | not I.. I dont just get it ands camp on it. I get it and show that I have done XYZ since then. | 21:26 |
| Takyoji | at least it shows a person jumped through the basic hoop | 21:26 |
| Takyoji | but yes | 21:26 |
| _diablo | kermit: yeah, not really. they're not so great lol. they have 55k ppl | 21:26 |
| kermit | _diablo: which school? | 21:27 |
| _diablo | kermit: UMN | 21:27 |
| * Takyoji wonders if anyone has an opinion regarding Dakota County Technical College | 21:29 | |
| kermit | _diablo: so they just give you a degree and wave goodby? | 21:29 |
| _diablo | kermit: yeah, basically | 21:46 |
| _diablo | Takyoji: no knowledge of it | 21:46 |
| Obsidian1723 | Tak, if Linux+ was basic, mopre people wpould have it. dont underestimate it. | 21:47 |
| Takyoji | By the way, what does TFTP lack that FTP has? | 21:54 |
| kermit | lack? its just totally different | 22:05 |
| kermit | It cannot list directories, and currently has no provisions for user authentication. | 22:06 |
| Takyoji | ahh | 22:07 |
| Obsidian1723 | Better to use SFTp | 22:21 |
| Obsidian1723 | sftp | 22:21 |
| Obsidian1723 | grrr | 22:21 |
| Obsidian1723 | SFTP | 22:21 |
| Obsidian1723 | I'd onlyu really use TFTP for a PXE/Netboot environment. | 22:21 |
| kermit | and flashing routers | 22:22 |
| Takyoji | Well yea, I'd never use anything unencrypted. | 22:24 |
| Takyoji | except when TFTP is the only thing possible for a device | 22:24 |
| kermit | yeah i imagine anyone could inject code into the receiving device fairly easily that way | 22:26 |
| _diablo | kermit: warkitting | 22:41 |
| _diablo | http://www.indiana.edu/~phishing/papers/warkit.pdf | 22:41 |
| Obsidian1723 | true kermit | 22:49 |
| * Takyoji wonders if anyone happens to know of a decent web service out there for wardriving and mapping wireless networks | 23:41 | |
| Obsidian1723 | I just use nmap | 23:49 |
| _diablo | aircrack-ng | 23:56 |
| Takyoji | I'm talking about aggregates though | 23:57 |
| Takyoji | Like WiGLE | 23:57 |
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