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duckslammerhello! what software is recommended for downloading from a video camera and editing the file?01:03
andy__ki insyalled nautilus for network exploring but now it running as my desktp manager i think and its consuming 100% cpu heating my laptop 20 degres higher01:24
andy__how do i stop it form doing this, or stop it from runing at startup which i think should be happening,  just want the file browser01:25
duckslammeranybody know about connetcing a video camera to 10.04?  it is plugged into a usb port and not recognized.  lsusb does not show it.  the camera is a sony handycam 700x digital801:55
ridinduckslammer, try cheese02:12
duckslammeri solved it - the fix was kino with firewire03:10
ours_en_pluchebonne fin de semaine a toutes et a tous :)05:10
robertzaccourwhere can I get albatross theme for gnome?06:58
robertzaccourhey psycho_oreos07:05
psycho_oreoshi robertzaccour07:05
robertzaccourpsycho_oreos, do you know where i can find albatross theme for gnome?07:05
psycho_oreosrobertzaccour, I think there's gnome-look.org but I'm not too sure, have you tried google search?07:06
robertzaccourfound 2. emerald and gtk. gtk is better right?07:09
robertzaccouri mean not a hog?07:09
psycho_oreoshard to say lol you're in xubuntu channel where xfce is recommended over gnome :)07:10
lewis1711anyone know how to get all the system messages printed to screen when you boot? you know, how on other distros it's all "searching for drives, finding them, loading them, loading this module, blah blah blah"07:10
robertzaccouri like xfce better, but i really like the window buttons on the left side in Ubuntu gnome version07:11
psycho_oreoslewis1711, you remove the splash option in grub07:11
lewis1711psycho_oreos: this line here? linux/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-23-generic-pae root=UUID=9ab029c3-2978-4175-a43c-4666027df34d ro   quiet splash07:12
psycho_oreoslewis1711, yes, and I'd probably also remove quiet as well07:12
robertzaccourpsycho_oreos, is it possible to move the window buttons to the left side in xfce?07:12
psycho_oreosrobertzaccour, not sure, I'm on an old version of xubuntu07:12
robertzaccourpsycho_oreos, the newest version has the buttons on the right side. i wonder if there's gonna be a new xubuntu theme. the current one looks great and not sure if changing is a good idea haha07:13
lewis1711robertzaccour: if it is possible, it'll be in the window manager settings07:13
lewis1711huh, grub.cfg is read only. weird07:15
lewis1711man, I am really not liking grub207:17
robertzaccouris lxde a lot like xfce?07:21
robertzaccouri'm thinkin about installing 10.10 and upgrading from there07:21
robertzaccouris lxde a lot like xfce?07:34
TheSheepit is like xfce, in that it's a 4 letter acronym07:38
TheSheepalso, it shares two letters, so it's like 50% sameness07:39
TheSheepother than that your question doesn't make sense :)07:40
robertzaccourTheSheep, i meant usability, features, is it a complete DE, etc07:40
TheSheepno, no and no07:41
gebjgdany one here is using xubuntu with a laptop?08:11
gebjgdand also is suffering the backlight problem?08:12
ViTRoNMorning08:35
gebjgdi can not change the backlight of my laptop under xubuntu08:48
gebjgdany ideas?08:48
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steuzhola, can someone tell me how can i swap ctrl and alt?10:35
slow-motionhi10:42
bazhanghi slow-motion10:42
slow-motionhi bazhang11:02
bazhang:)11:02
seaniek84Hi guys. I need some help. Im new to Ubuntu. When i log in Gnome mode my pc freezes. if i login failsafe mode its ok11:32
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FreeFullI just somehow managed to have compiz screw up my xfce4 config in such a way that xfwm4 won't start13:26
FreeFullHey, I just lost some config but xfwm4 is working again13:35
FreeFullDo I dare try compiz again?13:40
knomeFreeFull, compiz with xfce can be problematic.13:41
Sysihe already experienced that :P13:41
FreeFullUgh, it worked fine with 8.1013:42
knomeyes, and the comment was to confirm that it can cause problems, that it can happen again and that it's not so weird13:42
Sysiwith emerald it worked pretty well in 9.0413:42
bazhangemerald and 8.10 are neither of them supported13:42
FreeFullWell, I seem to have some other problem that's stopping compiz from working13:43
Sysii just generally hate compiz, and therefore gnome13:43
Sysiyou can't get *anything* there without compiz13:43
FreeFullCompiz worked when it was still called compiz-fusion :/13:44
Sysiafaik it's called compiz-fusion after migration to beryl :)13:49
bazhangits compiz now13:50
Sysiright13:50
FreeFullDammit, now xfwm4 is not remembered together with the session14:00
FreeFullOk, NOW it's showing up in the session list thing14:01
prizmare we thinking about keeping thunderbird?15:14
prizmafter all, it's simply brutal on CPU now15:14
prizm*memory now15:14
MindVirusHello.15:53
likemindead!hi | MindVirus15:56
ubottuMindVirus: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!15:56
MindViruslikemindead: I'd like to use Compiz instead of xfwm. Is this possible?15:56
likemindeadSure. Just install Compiz.15:57
MindViruslikemindead: Done. Now what?15:58
likemindeadI think you want to install compizconfig-settings-manager too.16:02
MindVirusAlready done.16:02
MindVirusAnd?16:02
likemindead(I haven't used Compiz in a couple of years; that's whay I use Xubuntu!)16:02
MindVirusI don't like xfwm.16:02
MindVirusTwitchy.16:02
Warp4hi all.  is it possible in iptables to allow icmp pings from only one host and nowhere else?16:03
likemindeadI'd just go with Ubuntu (GNOME) then, MindVirus.16:03
MindViruslikemindead: I am short on memory.16:03
MindVirusI have no problems with my preferences.16:03
MindVirusI have a problem making my preferences a reality.16:03
likemindeadCompiz is a serious resource hog. If you're low on memory, you'll want to stay away from it.16:04
MindViruslikemindead: Compiz is using 17M as we speak right now.16:04
MindVirusThe problem isn't installing Compiz, it's making it run on startup.16:05
likemindeadhttp://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/16:05
likemindeadhttp://www.infobarrel.com/How_To_Install_Compiz_On_Xubuntu,_The_Easy_Way16:05
MindVirusI've already seen that guide.16:05
likemindeadGoogle, FTW.16:05
likemindeadAh... apologies.16:05
MindVirusDon't know why you'd apologize; you couldn't have possibly knownn.16:06
MindVirus*known16:06
likemindead;-]16:06
MindVirusBut that second guide doesn't solve my problem, which is to make it work on startup.16:06
likemindeadhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131987316:07
MindVirusThe first guide worked fine.16:07
MindVirusBut the solution, which is changing a certain file's XML, is fairly kludgy.16:07
MindVirusI don't want it to be system-wide.16:07
likemindeadI think you need to run "compiz --replace" or something similar.16:08
MindVirusIs there no preference to change window managers?16:08
MindVirusThat's running it once, for the session.16:08
likemindeadOh, there definitely is... somewhere...16:08
MindVirusI had to change /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml.16:08
MindVirusWhich I found on my own.16:08
MindVirusDoes Thunar work with nautilus plugins?16:09
likemindeadI don't think so.16:10
MindVirusBecause it seems that way.16:10
MindVirusToo bad I can't remove thunar.16:11
MindVirusI like nautilus way more.16:12
slow-motionbbl16:25
slow-motionre18:35
SineDeviance|LTHi all. i am having a problem with xubuntu 10.04. I have a pentium 4 prescott @ 3ghz, 512mb DDR-400, a SB live! platinum and an nvidia geforce FX5900 ultra. after installing a clean install of 10.04 i install the nvidia drivers and upgrade ...20:12
SineDeviance|LT... the system.20:12
SineDeviance|LTAfter upgrading the system and rebooting, X will not start. it gives me "failed to load module 'nvidia' *** aborting ***" and then it says "screens found, but no useable configuration"20:13
SineDeviance|LTI have reinstalled the system three times, and it consistently fails after upgrading.20:14
SineDeviance|LTI have it running in TTY right now. is there anything I can check to get it back up and running?20:14
well_laid_lawnyou could read the X log20:14
Sysihave you every time installed nvidia driver?20:14
SineDeviance|LTwell_laid_lawn: i did that. it just says the same stuff.20:15
SineDeviance|LTSysi: the nvidia drivers do seem to be the catalyst for this. but even if i switch to vesa it cannot start.20:15
SineDeviance|LTSysi: well, actually, the nvidia drivers worked fine BEFORE i upgraded the system20:15
SineDeviance|LTso if i do nvidia driver install, then reboot immediately, it boots normally. if i then do an update and upgrade, it will no longer boot to X20:16
SineDeviance|LTi have tried uninstalling the nvidia drivers and switching back to vesa or nv, with no luck. i have also tried swapping to a different nvidia driver version (i.e. 173 over 96)20:16
SineDeviance|LTnothing works20:16
well_laid_lawnis there a nvidia log?20:17
SineDeviance|LTthe first time it happened, X actually crashed in the middle of an upgrade, and then after rebooting the same stuff happened. i was not able to reproduce the X crash.20:17
SineDeviance|LTwell_laid_lawn: if there is i dunno. i would assume it is not the card though, as it works flawlessly in windows and crunchbang.20:18
Sysiyou haven't tried installing updates first and then nvidia driver?20:18
SineDeviance|LTSysi: the first time i installed the system i did it that way. that was when X crashed. after that happened i tried installing nvdia first then updating. still, same stuff happens.20:19
Sysiabout that same happenet to me, but it gave some option to get back graphical20:19
ramrodmy nvidia drivers didnt work with the latest 22-23 kernel update20:19
ramrodi had to download the newest from the nvidia site20:19
SineDeviance|LTramrod: ahh that might be it! kernel -23 comes down in the update20:19
ramrodthere are new drivers i dont know if they work with 5x cards20:19
SineDeviance|LTright now i'm on 2.6.32-23-generic. the stock xubuntu 10.04 kernel is -21-generic20:20
SineDeviance|LTbut even if i boot the older kernel i have the same issue20:20
ramrodoh ok20:21
SineDeviance|LTramrod: the newest version listed for my card is forceware 173, which is already in the repos and i've already tried it. so i dont think the newest would work.20:22
SineDeviance|LTso ... i wonder if should go back to an even older kernel20:22
ramrodyes the new 256 driver does not support your 5900 :/20:23
SineDeviance|LTyeah :(20:23
SineDeviance|LTwell, let me see what happens if i boot the old kernel, remove the new one, and reboot again20:23
SineDeviance|LTbrb20:23
zorsrecently went from gnome to xfce.  simple yet awesome.  one question:  can anyone recommend a good, lightweight mail client?20:29
Sysiyou could try claws20:30
bazhang!info mutt20:30
ubottumutt (source: mutt): text-based mailreader supporting MIME, GPG, PGP and threading. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.20-7ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 1165 kB, installed size 5960 kB20:30
Sysialpine is easier IMO20:30
Sysi!info alpine20:31
ubottualpine (source: alpine): Text-based email client, friendly for novices but powerful. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.00+dfsg-6 (lucid), package size 2851 kB, installed size 6432 kB20:31
bazhangnice20:31
zorsthx.  tried thunderb. but i find it too bloated.  gonna try all of the above now.20:31
SineDeviancei fixed it!20:33
SineDeviancei removed the old kernel, then made sure the headers and such for the new kernel were installed. then i --reinstalled nvidia-173 and rebooted. like magic, it works fine.20:34
ramrodnice20:37
SineDeviancethanks for the help20:37
* SineDeviance installs compiz :D20:39
ramrod^^20:39
ramrodi love claws-mail but i wasnt able to get it work properly with gmail imap20:40
ramrodnow im using mutt20:40
Sysiyou know that compiz can cause problems? :)20:40
Kangarooohello hello. what will be with transmision right click overcomming left click?20:52
TheSheepKangarooo: that's the new ubuntu policy, apparently it's not like macosx enough21:09
KangaroooTheSheep: some say that xubuntu then need to fix also i just now raised all involved in this in #ayatana21:10
KangaroooTheSheep: that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators is meant for http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/ that is meant for Ubuntu so xubuntu shouldnt be affected.21:11
zsolti0625Hi, i'm planning to install xubuntu on an old pc (P3 700 mhz; geforce 2;128 mb ram). I heard that the recent release is a memory hog, but the older ones are more suitable for underpowered computers. Do you think that Xubuntu 8.04 LTS worths a try on this pc?21:11
TheSheepzsolti0625: none of them will work well with 128MB of ram21:13
TheSheepzsolti0625: try to expand that21:14
SineDevianceis there any way i can set transparency for a certain program with xfwm4's compositor, like compiz can?21:14
zsolti0625thx21:14
SysiSineDeviance: not afaik21:15
SineDeviancedarn :(21:16
SineDeviancei want to make my conky setup semi-opaque21:16
TheSheepSineDeviance: use a alt+scroll wheel on the window's title21:16
Sysimy friend did that with openbox..21:16
Sysinow i need log to xfce →21:17
SineDevianceTheSheep, it's conky. there is no title.21:17
SineDevianceplus it would need to be automated21:17
SineDeviancei.e. automatic at startup21:17
TheSheepSineDeviance: you may try doing something using devilspie, but no idea how21:17
SineDevianceTheSheep, i know devilspie can work with xcompmgr, i used to do it that way with openbox. do you know of any commands for xfwm4's compositor?21:19
TheSheepno, sorry21:19
SysiTheSheep: holy ff.. is there manual for these?21:19
Sysi..or is there any more of this kinda features "hidden"21:19
TheSheepSysi: it's all in xfce help21:20
SineDevianceTheSheep, no problem. thanks.21:21
SineDevianceis there any way to decrease the icon spacing on the desktop?21:39
SineDeviancebrb21:44
SineDeviancei think i really like xubuntu 10.04. it's so much faster than ubuntu21:55
SineDevianceand the ram usage is awesome21:55
Sysii just like the features and how easily i can reach them21:57
Sysis/like/love :)21:57
likemindeadXubuntu = Teh Awesome21:59
SineDevianceSysi, yeah. i haven't used xubuntu since like 6.0422:00
SineDevianceit has certainly come a long way22:00
judgenSineDeviance xubuntu is truly nice.22:00
Sysii tried fedora, suse and arch to eeepc and now went back to xub22:00
SineDeviancejudgen, yep.22:01
judgenSineDeviance a features i would like to have though is z-snake. Toobad only BeOS afaik has it.22:01
SineDeviancejudgen, isn't there a good snake game in the ubuntu repos?22:02
judgennavigating the filesystem though right mouse click on the deskop.22:02
judgennot a game, z-snake.22:02
SineDevianceoh22:02
SineDeviancemy bad22:02
judgenSineDeviance i will try to find you a screenshot22:03
SineDevianceokeis22:03
judgenSineDeviance like this http://www.tunetrackersystems.com/bedocs/documentation/User%27s%20Guide/01_basics/art/contextPathTrans.gif22:04
SineDeviancei like how fast xfwm4's compositor is compared to compiz-fusion22:04
judgenworks in every folder and the desktop. absolutley the fastest graphical way to navigate the file system if you are used to it.22:04
SineDeviancejudgen, ahh yeah. have you tried haiku yet? you might dig it.22:04
judgenI am an haiku-dev so... yes.22:05
SineDevianceahh ;D22:05
Sysii think cp [tab] is fastest :P22:05
Sysi*cd22:05
SineDeviancewell, i am waiting for haiku to become a little more mature until i give it a real shot. i've played with it in virtualbox a little and so far i think it's gonna be awesome22:05
judgenSysi: still reqiures keyboard input.22:05
judgenand not very graphical22:05
Sysii like my keyboard more than my mouse22:06
judgenSineDeviance it is allready pretty awsome. But i hold off to install it on my main machine untill the usb-wifi stuff is fixed.22:06
judgenbut i run it 24/7 with stress tests on an old  dual pentium 1266mhz22:06
SineDeviancejudgen, does it have any support for nvidia cards yet?22:06
SineDeviancei dont need it to run 3D or anything but being able to use my monitor's native res of 1920x1080 would be a good start22:07
judgenSineDeviance it has had support for nvidia 3d hardware accel since several years ago, but only for cards gf4 and older. 2d accel is up to gf 7950 and older.22:07
SineDeviancejudgen, ahh. i have an FX5900 ultra so it should probably work now.22:08
Sysi("old" dual pentium?)22:08
SineDeviancelast time i tried a full install i was stuck in 1024x76822:08
judgenSineDeviance as it does not use EDID you have to set the resolution manually in override if not available in the screen pref panel.22:08
judgenbut when gallium and noveau(kinda) is done, you will have 3d and EDID on all nvidia cards afaik.22:09
judgenbut that might be a while.22:09
judgenas it does not use Xorg.22:09
SineDevianceahh cool22:09
judgenAROS managed to get gallium and noveau working, ad they have less devs. So hopefully it will be realized as soon as someone figures out how.. but i think it is low prio atm.22:10
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