[00:00] <txwikinger> more information can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[00:00] <txwikinger> [00:00] <txwikinger> Always remember that we are working here in a team. Therefore, we help each other. It is always good to ask questions if you are not sure how to proceed. Even for the most seasoned people it can be in tricky cases very helpful to have a second opinion. So if your are not sure about something ask somebody. I am often around on the IRC channels as txwikinger or txwikinger2 (when I am at work). Feel free to see me if I can help you.
[00:00] <txwikinger> Other interesting links for information:
[00:00] <txwikinger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[00:00] <txwikinger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[00:00] <txwikinger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[00:01] <txwikinger> Kubuntu bugs can be found at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs
[00:02] <txwikinger> We also have special bugs that occur in our test ppas https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/
[00:02] <txwikinger> This is something we need to change our process a little to make sure that bugs get move to the correct place in these cases
[00:03] <txwikinger> Anybody any questions left?
[00:04] <txwikinger> apachelogger: I intend to have a Kubuntu bug Day on Monday
[00:04] <Quintasan> that's a nice wall of text
[00:04] <Riddell> it was pointed out elsewhere that kernel bugs shouldn't be marked as duplicates
[00:04] <maco> Riddell: i updated teh wiki page
[00:04] <txwikinger> Yes Riddell certain teams have slightly different policies
[00:04] <txwikinger> It is always important to be in contact with the team to learn the small differences
[00:05] <Riddell> thanks a lot txwikinger 
[00:05] <Riddell> that brings this Kubuntu Tutorials Day to a close
[00:05] <Quintasan> txwikinger: I think this could be converted to a wiki page for future refrence
[00:05] <Quintasan> thanks txwikinger 
[00:05] <Riddell> this channel is always open for discussion about Kubuntu contribution of any sort
[00:05] <Riddell> do hang around and take part
[00:05] <txwikinger> Quintasan: I think the log will be on the Kubuntu Tutorial wiki page
[00:07] <Quintasan> I mean it should be available in more readable format than irc log
[00:07] <Quintasan> :)
[00:11] <maxwellian> Quintasan: You see that there are lots of links to various pages on the wiki.  I agree that it would help to have the information more consolidated, though.
[00:13] <maxwellian> I have a question.  What do you do with a "bug" like #525360?
[00:13]  * maxwellian expected ubottu to jump in here...
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> bug 525360
[00:15] <maxwellian> I wanted to get started helping out with bugs, so I thought this would be an easy one to look at.
[00:15] <maxwellian> But as I commented there, the man page installed is the upstream version.
[00:20] <txwikinger> maxwellian: if it is an upstream problem, the best thing is to make upstream aware of the problem
[00:21] <txwikinger> when it is fixed there, we will sync it in time
[00:21] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic restore
[00:21] <apachelogger> hmhm
[00:21] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic del 3
[00:21] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic del 3
[00:21] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic del 3
[00:22] <maxwellian> So if someone (me?) were to take responsibility for this bug, the course of action would be to politely ask upstream to update the man page?
[00:23] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic replace 1 Kubuntu, making your PC friendly
[00:23] <txwikinger> maxwellian: That would be the most efficient way
[00:23] <txwikinger> And you should make a comment in the report that you have done that
[00:23] <txwikinger> So we know what the latest status is
[00:24] <apachelogger> txwikinger, JontheEchidna: I'll go beat up bugs next week a bit, maybe we should spam a bit to get more people on board?
[00:24] <txwikinger> apachelogger: cool.. I am with you
[00:24] <maxwellian> txwikinger: Okay, thanks.
[00:24] <txwikinger> maxwellian: np
[00:25] <Riddell> #
[00:25] <txwikinger> wb Riddell
[00:25] <maco> ooh two Riddells!
[00:25] <apachelogger> btw, I propose that we form monster meta bugs in kdepim of generally same issues that ought to be resolved or revisited as a whole once kdepim 4.6 is out the door (i.e. once akonadi is live)
[00:26] <txwikinger> apachelogger: maybe use a specific tag for them?
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: QMap did the trick. I can't believe I didn't think of that before :D
[00:26] <apachelogger> splendid
[00:27]  * txwikinger needs to slowly swing by the shop and o home
[00:27] <txwikinger> go
[00:27] <apachelogger> txwikinger: yeah, as long as we get rid of the cluttering bugs, I want them out of the way because most of them are outside our scope and will not be fixed upstream anyway
[00:28] <apachelogger> + become invalid for 4.6 and beyond
[00:28] <txwikinger> well.. that are maybe cases to be set won't fix
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: reminder to turn back on CIA
[00:31] <apachelogger> CIA-33: hello
[00:31]  * apachelogger hugs CIA-33
[00:31]  * CIA-33 hugs apachelogger
[00:31] <apachelogger> \o/
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[00:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: thanks :)
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> yup, no prob
[00:32]  * apachelogger had forgotten about it ^^
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> (btw, I committed the origin sort fix just before I reminded you, just fyi if you wanted to svn up)
[00:34]  * apachelogger wanted to go to bed actually :P
[00:35] <apachelogger> this is brilliant
[00:35]  * apachelogger hugs JontheEchidna
[00:35] <apachelogger> <3 libqapt
[00:36] <angelus85> does anybody tried sc 4.5 rc1 on a netbook?
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> :D
[00:37] <angelus85> because i have a contentless window flashing on my screen everytime i start kontact
[00:38] <apachelogger> apachelogger->goTo(&bed);
[00:38] <angelus85> :)
[00:39] <angelus85> echo "good night"
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> nighty night
[00:46] <angelus85> see you guys
[00:47] <angelus85> i go
[01:06] <JontheEchidna> oh my, APT was once considered next-generation: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopw18355-jpg.jpg
[01:07] <valorie> back when packages were for girly-men
[01:08] <valorie> I don't find that many people who look down on packaging anymore
[01:08] <valorie> progress!
[01:08] <valorie> good!
[01:09] <maxwellian> valorie: Maybe you'll find some elsewhere in the Unix world... #freebsd? ;)
[01:10] <valorie> could be -- I really only talk to one bsd person
[01:10] <valorie> and he doesn't have 'tude
[01:10] <valorie> :-)
[01:10] <maxwellian> valorie: Dependency handling is great, but some people like to choose what gets compiled in.
[01:10] <valorie> sure, and I build amarok from git
[01:11] <valorie> and vlc, and phonon-vlc
[01:11] <valorie> and someday, maybe more
[01:11] <valorie> but that isn't ideal, and certainly not for everyone
[01:11] <maxwellian> valorie: For development, or what?
[01:11] <valorie> anyway, I missed most of the day, for various reasons
[01:11] <valorie> but read as much as I could understand
[01:11] <valorie> and it was great!
[01:12] <valorie> esp. the bug triaging, which I would like to do
[01:12] <valorie> once I finish the Amarok Handbook
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> I can't deny that APT is the best, but the internals/code of it is so ugly 10 years later that I have to find calling it "next gen" funny :P
[01:12] <valorie> and yes, for testing, maxwellian
[01:15] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: you iz Da Man taking on kfn like a storm ;)
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[01:16] <valorie> hopefully will be handing out lots of kubuntu lucid discs at OSCON in a week
[01:16] <valorie> :-)
[01:16] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1147352 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/StatusWidget.cpp String fixes
[01:16]  * claydoh needs to push the admin guy to create a category for you guys in there
[01:29]  * vorian waves
[01:30] <vorian> finally got some funds to get my build machine back!
[01:30] <vorian> twas wondering what may be needed from an amature like me
[01:34] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1147356 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) The installSize has to be a double, else we run in to the limit quite easily with large removals since we are dealing in bytes
[01:34] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1147357 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/StatusWidget.cpp Adapt to LibQApt API change for installedSize()
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> vorian: Nice! There'll be a KDE 4.5 RC2 to package soonish
[01:36] <vorian> woo hoo
[01:37] <vorian> i even got a freezer for my cpu so it wont asplode this time
[01:38] <vorian> it kind of sucks living so far away from yall, when i'm doing stuff almost everyone is sleeping.
[01:38] <vorian> we need a kubotu alarmclock
[01:38] <vorian> kubotu: install alarmclock
[01:38] <valorie> where do you live, vorian?
[01:39] <valorie> seems to me people are here at all hours of the day and night
[01:39] <vorian> Rural Idaho
[01:39] <valorie> ah, I'm south of Seattle
[01:39] <vorian> cool
[01:39] <vorian> where at?
[01:39] <vorian> I used to live in Puyallup
[01:39] <valorie> are you coming to CLS and/or OSCON, by any chance?
[01:40] <valorie> we live right outside of Black Diamond
[01:40] <vorian> possibly, 
[01:40] <valorie> I used to work in Puyallup
[01:40] <vorian> er, gotta tun
[01:40] <valorie> cool!!!!!
[01:40] <valorie> I'm going to both
[01:40] <valorie> just pinned down a hotel last night
[01:40] <valorie> with a friend
[01:42] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1147358 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) On second though, use qint64
[01:42] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1147359 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/StatusWidget.cpp Use qint64 rather than double
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> http://digg.com/movies/MGM_kills_James_Bond?t=33684024#c33684024
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> awesome comment
[01:52] <maxwellian> JontheEchidna: Ha! :)
[02:16] <removido> kubuntu dau is here? 
[02:22] <lcnrj> kubuntu day is here? 
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> removido, lcnrj: It was a few hours ago. :( But logs of the sessions will be available soon
[02:23] <lcnrj> ok thanks
[02:25] <maxwellian> Hmm...removido and lcnrj seemed joined at the hip there.  Some IRC thing I don't know about going on there...
[02:26] <rbelem> hey JontheEchidna
[02:27] <rbelem> JontheEchidna, i added you to the http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/4320/
[02:27] <rbelem> :-)
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> I'll take a look at it
[02:29] <rbelem> JontheEchidna, thank you :-)
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> rbelem: In KSambaShareInfo, just use d_ptr when you construct the KSambaSharePrivate instance. Then in each of the functions that use the d_ptr put this line at the top "Q_D(KSambaShareInfo)", and then you can just use d->
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> oh, he left
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> rbelem: For private classes, you can use this class as an example: http://pastebin.com/sYSvgVhX , http://pastebin.com/wAmmPHXg
[03:20] <JontheEchidna> rbelem: basically, make the d_ptr protected, do Q_DECLARE_PRIVATE as private
[03:20] <JontheEchidna> then, use the d_ptr in the normal class construction
[03:20] <JontheEchidna> use the Q_D macro in your functions
[03:20] <JontheEchidna> then use d-> in your function clases
[03:21] <JontheEchidna> Q_D(ClassName) for non-const functions, Q_D(const ClassName) for const ones
[03:33] <rbelem> JontheEchidna, cool! :-) i will make the changes tomorrow.
[03:33]  * rbelem going sleep
[03:33] <rbelem> thanks JontheEchidna 
[03:33] <JontheEchidna> rbelem: yup, no problem
[05:29] <solid_liq> did I miss the tutorial stuff?
[05:30] <maco> yep, 4 hours ago or so it ended
[05:30] <solid_liq> gah
[05:30] <solid_liq> is there any way to still see it or read it or whatever?
[05:31] <maco> sure you can read the logs on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[05:31] <solid_liq> I just now saw the post for it on facebook :/
[05:31] <solid_liq> oh okay cool, thanks!
[06:02] <ScottK> Riddell: qtmobility is built on the two main archs that aren't broken and waiting for you in binary New.
[06:17] <vorian> hullo ScottK 
[07:07] <newboon2age> #kpilot
[08:26] <simulacrum> Where can I see the logs from yesterday's Kubuntu Tutorials Day?
[08:29] <apachelogger> simulacrum: not yet published I suppose
[08:30] <maxwellian> simulacrum: I imagine they will end up here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay
[08:30] <maxwellian> simulacrum: But they're not there yet.
[08:30] <maxwellian> simulacrum: But, these channels are logged anyway, go to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[08:31] <simulacrum> maxwellian: ok thanks, the last one solves the mistery 
[08:32] <maxwellian> simulacrum: Good. :)  Not sure what time zone the logging machine is in, that's causing me a bit of head scratching...but I'm sure you'll find it. :)
[08:35] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/KTD/10.07-full.log
[08:36] <maxwellian> apachelogger: Awesome, thanks.
[08:38] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/KTD/10.07-01maverick.log
[08:38] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/KTD/10.07-02qtquick.log
[08:42] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/KTD/10.07-03packaging.log
[08:42] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/KTD/10.07-04qtdevelopment.log
[08:42] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/KTD/10.07-05insects.log
[08:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[08:42] <apachelogger> still needs editing for the wiki I suppose ^^
[08:43] <simulacrum> Well, I can try and add them to the wiki if noone minds?
[08:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just so you know :P "Opinion says: there’s a difference of opinion around this bug and people are free to continue the discussion, but the project or package maintainers need to move to other work and are considering the issue closed."
[08:45] <apachelogger> simulacrum: brilliant! :D
[08:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maye I should use opinion for master overlord devil like akonadi bug?
[08:46] <apachelogger> sounds actually pretty appropriate, because I consider the defect closed as per the other bug where I bumped the timeout to 5 minutes, which is the one and only real cause to resource agents not showing up
[08:47] <apachelogger> for about every other case it is just a side effect
[09:13] <simulacrum> I added links to logs here: http://goo.gl/e7e7 ; I suggest adding something to the topic of this channel in case someone else is looking for them
[09:38] <Riddell> morning
[09:41] <simulacrum> howdy Riddell
[10:37] <Riddell> RC 2 is out, source only release
[12:31] <ScottK> vorian: Hello.
[12:50] <debfx> Riddell: I don't think that phonon-vlc is ready to be included in ubuntu
[12:55] <debfx> it crashes regularly and development seems to have stalled a bit
[13:00] <debfx> is there anything I should include when packaging the new rekonq version?
[14:45] <shadeslayer> \o
[14:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: had a power outage lasting 6 hours due to rains :|
[14:50] <shadeslayer> nice topic tho :P
[14:57] <shadeslayer> maco: http://imagebin.ca/view/7yvJtwKF.html : hehehe :P
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Oh, k3b uploaded to backports
[15:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Looking.
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> Thanks
[15:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: What's the bug again?
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> bug 602733
[15:16] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Done
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> Thanks.
[15:20] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you backport kraft as well?
[15:20] <shadeslayer> ScottK: package in https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra
[15:20] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Is there a backports bug?
[15:20] <shadeslayer> no...
[15:20] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Would you please help shadeslayer out with the process?
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> Sure
[15:21] <shadeslayer> wow.. loads of people applying to bugsquad.. was it txwikinger speech ?? :P
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: so, backporting things
[15:21] <shadeslayer> yep :)
[15:22] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: actually the package is in my PPA :D
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> First you want to take the version in maverick, and make all the changes necessary to make it build on lucid
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> If there aren't any changes needed, that makes things easier
[15:22] <shadeslayer> right..
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> Then you go here and file a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lucid-backports
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> Attatching a debdiff of the maverick version to the backported version
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> (see bug 602733)
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> then you have to get it confirmed that the backported package installs and runs in lucid
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> after which you ping somebody from ubuntu-backports to confirm the bug
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> then you go through the normal package sponsorship process
[15:24] <shadeslayer> ah.. thanks :D
[15:24]  * shadeslayer should make a lucid pbuilder...
[15:53] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1147527 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/ (7 files in 3 dirs) Save/load splitter sizes for determining the size of the FilterWidget and ManagerWidget.
[15:53] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you ready to call the "Combine Desktop/Netbook ISOs" experiment a success?  If so, we should kill off the netbook ISO builds.
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> I should note that the current setup will mean that all VirtualBox runs use plasma-netbook by default, fwiw
[15:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It can be changed in the session though.  Is it important?
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> mm, well, I did see somebody on the kubuntu forums confuse it as being the new default based on his virtualbox testing
[15:58] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Speaking of which, could you have another look at post-KDM transition to plasma-netbook?  There's a long period of black again.
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> just something to consider
[16:02] <shadeslayer> btw kdepim runtime has some new binaries which need manpages.... any ideas if i should add new manpages?
[16:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It's desired, but not essential.
[16:03] <shadeslayer> hmmm.. well idk how to write a man page any how ;)
[16:03]  * ScottK pokes at Riddell some more about ISO consolidation and qtmobility in binary New.
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: works for me(tm)
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> tested with a new user, ksplash hung around until plasma-netbook showed up
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> took quite a while for plasma-netbook to show up, actually. (I know this because you can see the panel coming in over ksplash)
[16:11] <ScottK> Odd.
[16:11] <ScottK> Thanks for checking.
[16:13] <shadeslayer> i call dibs on rekonq...
[16:13] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:15] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It would be highly useful to me if rekonq could grow the ability to right click on a link to a file and "Open with ...".  That's the major thing I still miss from Konqueror.
[16:16] <shadeslayer> ScottK: if i could only hack that much :P
[16:16] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Could you talk to upstream about it?
[16:16] <shadeslayer> ill poke adjam and come up with something in my clone :D
[16:16] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you also put this in rekonq ML ?
[16:17] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No.  I'm not subscribed.  Feel free to quote me.
[16:17] <shadeslayer> ok.. ill post something .. most of our features are discussed on the ML rather than on the IRC :P
[16:18] <ScottK> Great.
[16:20] <shadeslayer> ScottK: mail sent ;)
[16:21] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Thanks.
[16:21]  * shadeslayer is struggling with gitorious tho
[16:21] <shadeslayer> stupid thing wont show my last commit :(
[16:30] <shadeslayer> any idea on http://pastebin.com/dDNYKLS2
[16:37] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1147543 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/MainWindow.cpp Implement SizeMismatchWarning
[16:46] <hrw> hi
[16:46] <hrw> -rw------- 1 hrw hrw 109G 2010-07-08 17:46 .xsession-errors
[16:47] <hrw> is there a way to make maverick kubuntu less noisy?
[16:47] <maco> yikes
[16:48] <hrw> good said
[16:48] <maco> hahahaha my mav vm has a little tab just sitting on the desktop, not attached to an edge or anything, that says "unnamed"
[16:48] <maco> i once had a 50G .xsession-errors
[16:48] <hrw> maco: thats activities crap tab
[16:48] <maco> then my disk filled and it got Not Happy
[16:48] <maco> hrw: it doesnt click
[16:50] <shadeslayer> heh.. 40 MB here...
[16:50]  * shadeslayer pats his X
[16:51] <hrw> most was akonadi and kio_imap
[17:52] <Riddell> ScottK: yes netbook ISOs should die and normal ISOs should get ARM builds
[17:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: hi, any idea why kde ftp server (and mirrors) doesn't have RC2 ?
[17:54] <Tm_T> or, has some issues in ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.4.92/
[17:54]  * Tm_T has brains melting so not able to explain well
[17:54] <Tm_T> s/brains/brain/
[17:55] <shadeslayer> yeah.. no sources on kde ftp server :)
[17:56] <Riddell> debfx: for rekonq just check that it's stable with the new qtwebkit in maverick
[17:56] <Riddell> Tm_T: hmm.  panic.
[17:57] <Tm_T> file permissions not correct, would be my first guess
[17:58] <Riddell> well I have one release manager here but no sysadmin
[17:58] <Riddell> and this needs a sysadmin
[17:58] <Riddell> phoning
[17:58] <Tm_T> hrrr
[17:58] <Tm_T> Riddell: thanks
[18:01] <Riddell> Tm_T: fixed, although we need to wait for syncing
[18:02] <Riddell> Tm_T: thanks for saving the release
[18:02] <Tm_T> Riddell: np, thank the users who asked after it and made me wonder what's up
[18:09] <shadeslayer> debfx: around?
[18:10] <debfx> shadeslayer: indeed
[18:10] <shadeslayer> debfx: and your packaging rekonq 0.5.0 ?
[18:11] <debfx> yes
[18:12] <shadeslayer> debfx: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Patches/kubuntu_01_apturl.patch << add that patch to rekonq 
[18:12] <shadeslayer> i updated it some more
[18:12] <shadeslayer> lesser mem consumption now ;)
[18:13] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: btw if i change some build depends,then i have to add -1ubuntu1 to version right?
[18:13] <debfx> debian doesn't have apturl though?
[18:13] <shadeslayer> and XSBC maintainer and stuff too...
[18:14] <shadeslayer> debfx: not for now.. it should be in Git pretty soon
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: are you merging a package with debian?
[18:14] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: backporting kraft :)
[18:14] <shadeslayer> to lucid
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> then why would you use -1ubuntu1?
[18:14] <debfx> I mean apturl in general
[18:14] <shadeslayer> 0ubuntu1 then?
[18:14] <shadeslayer> debfx: nope
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> oh
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> it's currently 0.40-1
[18:15] <shadeslayer> debfx: http://gitorious.org/rekonq/mainline/merge_requests/2289
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[18:15] <shadeslayer> lucid has 0.20 
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> Not sure how to version that
[18:15] <shadeslayer> okies...
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> perhaps -1~lucid1
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> yeah, because otherwise it'd have a higher version than in maverick
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> you'll have to do -1~lucid1
[18:17] <shadeslayer> ok..
[18:17] <shadeslayer> so : 0.40-1~lucid1
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[18:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw theres a announcement about the new font :D
[18:22] <shadeslayer> http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/the-ubuntu-font/
[18:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/di7Zjn9q << debdiff
[18:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: We already got all the letters we need.
[18:25] <shadeslayer> letters?
[18:25] <ScottK> From the font.
[18:26] <ScottK> Capital K and small u-b-n-t
[18:26] <ScottK> BTW, 0.40-1~lucid1 is correct for backports.
[18:28] <shadeslayer_> JontheEchidna: can you repeat the last 2 mins? 
[18:28] <shadeslayer_> extreme lag on core ...
[18:28] <shadeslayer_> We have all the letters... what letters :P
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/460726/
[18:29] <shadeslayer_> ah ok :D
[18:30] <shadeslayer_> yeah.. btw any idea if Kubuntu will ship the same fonts?
[18:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we haven't decided yet
[18:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: and now you're a kubuntu member you shouldn't be asking what Kubuntu will do, you should be suggesting an opinion :)
[18:31] <shadeslayer_> hehe
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> this is what it looks like with the default hinting settings. (but all font sizes bumped down by one): http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopuh1505-jpg.jpg
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> Looks pretty good, but I think that the top of the 'd' is too fuzzy, especially when compared to the 'b' (in theory it should be the same)
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopxj1505-jpg.jpg
[18:47] <marlin> does anyone know how to find the admin tools?
[18:47] <Riddell> marlin: what admin tools?
[18:48] <marlin> I downloaded a back up program and it put it in the group admin tools.  I cant find it
[18:49] <marlin> any thought on that Riddell
[18:50] <Riddell> marlin: downloaded how?  put in admin group how?
[18:51] <marlin> i went to add/remove searched for Davish. ran the download from there.  now i cant find where it put it to run it
[18:51] <marlin> after looking at the details, it said that it was in the group: admin tools
[18:51] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1147564 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.h This is not a slot
[18:52] <marlin> like installing poker, it puts it in the games group.
[18:52] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: it looks totally hot in quassel tho
[18:52] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:53] <Riddell> marlin: dirvish?  that's a command line tool, there won't be a menu item
[18:55] <marlin> sorry, i uninstalled that one.  It was rsync
[18:55] <shadeslayer> marlin: thats CLI too
[18:55] <shadeslayer> see man rsync
[18:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ++ for ubuntu font ;)
[18:56] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: bug 603276
[18:56] <marlin> is there any gui backups that r good?
[18:56] <shadeslayer> marlin: rsync is pretty good
[18:56] <shadeslayer> marlin: you just have to know how to use it
[18:56] <marlin> how about AMANDA
[18:57]  * shadeslayer has no idea..
[18:57] <shadeslayer> ive only used rsync
[18:57] <marlin> i am new to linux and the command line stuff is shakey for me
[18:57]  * ScottK has heard good things about amanda.
[18:58] <marlin> which goes back to my orginal quest. how to find the admin tools
[18:58] <shadeslayer> marlin: uh its just : rsync -avz --progress source/ destinantion/ 
[18:58] <ulysses> What about Keep? It's a GUI backup tool for KDE.
[18:58] <shadeslayer> thats all you need to know :P
[18:58] <shadeslayer> oh theres backintime-kde
[18:58] <shadeslayer> !info backintime-kde
[18:58] <shadeslayer> or backupninja
[18:59] <marlin> well when it comes back to command line and backup - restore. I want to be sure of myself
[18:59] <shadeslayer> marlin: backuppc,backupninja,backintime-kde...
[18:59] <shadeslayer> backintime is something like timecapsule
[19:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw why is there no news of kde 4.5 in #kubuntu ? :P
[19:03] <oxymoron> May I ask, have someone heear anything from Wine team with some radical changes? I was for instance trying to install Photoshop CS5 and failed ...
[19:03] <marlin> I found keep.  it is in the group : kde desktop.  others say the admin tools.  that is what i want to know.  were is the admin tools
[19:04] <ulysses> marlin: Kickoff -> Applications -> System?
[19:05] <marlin> there are no tools there ulysses
[19:05] <oxymoron> Or is it a lost case? :P
[19:05] <ScottK> oxymoron: If you have a wine question, the best person to ask is Yokozar.  He's normally on #ubuntu-motu.
[19:05] <oxymoron> ScottK: Thanks :) Btw, do you have any more references to special people reponsible or knowing much about different things? :P
[19:06] <ScottK> Tons.
[19:06] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:06] <Tm_T> Riddell: uhh, any idea when it gest synced?
[19:07] <oxymoron> ScottK: lol ... could you send me a list? xD Would be nice get direct contact with developers so I can affect things :P
[19:07]  * shadeslayer now officially hates ntfs
[19:07] <ScottK> oxymoron: List is in my head, which I'll keep here thank you very much.
[19:07] <shadeslayer> oh.. officially doesnt come out quite good in the ubuntu font :P
[19:07] <oxymoron> ScottK: For isntance, Kopete and Koffice? :P
[19:08] <shadeslayer> neither does Koffice ... ^^
[19:08] <marlin> Thanks all for the help.  I will try the Keep.  I deleted my task bar and couldn't get it back.  I ended up reloading the system.  no big deal because it is just for fun for now.
[19:08] <ScottK> Riddell for koffice.  I don't think anyone special for kopete
[19:08] <shadeslayer> marlin: :o
[19:08] <oxymoron> ScottK: Krita, Nouveau, OpenOffice, Phonon, Kickoff, Lancelot ...
[19:08]  * shadeslayer faints
[19:08] <maco> oxymoron: check the wine appdb. last i heard, cs2 was the newest that worked
[19:08] <Tm_T> oxymoron: what about kopete?
[19:09] <marlin> i am try it out as a simple file server for a client
[19:09] <oxymoron> maco: cs2 ... lol then I could shoot myself in the head by using installing Windows dual boot again instead of using Wine ...
[19:09] <marlin> later all.  again thanks for the help.
[19:09] <oxymoron> Tm_T: WHos developing Kopete, if anyone? :P
[19:09] <maco> oxymoron: they only just got that working last year. google paid for the development efforts, and cs2 was the condition on which wine would become 1.0
[19:09] <maco> oxymoron: you could also learn to use the gimp
[19:10] <oxymoron> ScottK: Dragon Player, Ksnapshot? Then different protocls, is anyone developing those, like Akonadi?
[19:10] <Tm_T> oxymoron: I try...
[19:10] <Klanticus> oxymoron: #kopete
[19:10] <ScottK> oxymoron: Sure.  Lots of people are, but upstream, not in Kubuntu specifically.
[19:10] <maco> oxymoron: you could read the copyright files in their source packages or check their about dialogs...
[19:11] <oxymoron> maco: I tried GIMP and Krita, but seriously I cant,  PS is redicilous much better GUI wise ... which is one of the most important things in a photo editor :P
[19:11] <oxymoron> Tm_T: What you mean?
[19:11] <maco> well i disagree...i get lost in PS. im much more a PSP girl, but ive learned to use gimp
[19:11] <maco> it's just that you're used to PS's convoluted UI ;-)
[19:12] <oxymoron> maco: You can do most in GIMP, but its unlogci toolbox menu and I get lost in there :P
[19:12] <oxymoron> It should be easy doing things, its too many steps in GIMP and Krita IMO :P
[19:12] <oxymoron> ScottK: Whats difference between upstream and regular Kubuntu?
[19:13] <ScottK> In Kubuntu we mostly package software developed by upstream for inclusion in Ubuntu.
[19:13] <oxymoron> Oh and someone fixed the Kwallet thingy, thanks for the one who fixed it, if anyone in here :P But I guess someone get angry on me whining and fixed it xD
[19:13] <maco> oxymoron: upstream writes it. we package it.
[19:14] <maco> well i shouldnt say we. they *points around the channel* package it
[19:14] <maco> i stay safely in universe land most of the time :)
[19:15] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:15] <oxymoron> Regarding to packaging, may I ask why some apps doesnt get in ppa? It took ages for Kdevelop for instance. Hopefully Rekonq 0.5 which will be released soon, if not already :)
[19:15]  * shadeslayer has one leg in main land and... well the other is prettymuch dangling in universe land
[19:15] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: oh you want rekonq 0.5 ?
[19:15] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: in lucid?
[19:16] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Yeah? BUT ONLY if its stable and working this time, last time I tried from git repository it didnt work and its some bugs in Webkit
[19:16] <shadeslayer> maco: btw when i copied your HTML page i forgot to change Maco's Ubuntu page :P
[19:16] <maco> shadeslayer: silly :P
[19:17] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: uh... it wont probably happen.. maybe we can put in kde beta ppa?
[19:17] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: rekonq needs kde 4.5 thats why we cant backport it
[19:18] <shadeslayer> maco: yeah.. just changed it about a hour ago :D
[19:18] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Aha I see, do you know why it needs 4.5? And then I have 4.5 RC so ;) There one bug with Webkit with POST form data, it doesnt show correct page source if you POST form and get to a new page from the action :P
[19:19] <oxymoron> Then some contents not working, it thinks it should download some php files on some websites for instance, or other things. Sometimes it also dislpay text data instead of downloading it as it should xD
[19:19] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: ok,that *might* be related to webkit qt.. so lex79 packaged a new git snapshot.. so you will have to wait for that to hit the repos
[19:20] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Alright :) Well no rush, I wait for it ;) Good to know someones working on it :)
[19:20] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:20] <lex79> debfx: are you packaging rekonq for kubuntu or for debian?
[19:20] <debfx> lex79: both
[19:21] <shadeslayer> lex79: debfx is debian packager ? :o
[19:21]  * shadeslayer bows down to debfx
[19:21] <debfx> yeah
[19:21] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Regarding to QT, theres also some bugs in there with Nouveau, QT and OpenGL :P Not sure if anything will happen in long time there, not even sure if a stable nouveau will be released with Kubuntu 10.10
[19:22] <lex79> debfx: oh ok, my package is ready. Btw rekonq now depends on gtk, and I think we don't want that :)
[19:22] <shadeslayer> lex79: ^^
[19:22] <oxymoron> lex79: gtk? :S
[19:22] <lex79> yes
[19:22] <oxymoron> Why? :S
[19:22] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: ugly patch for flash
[19:22]  * shadeslayer saw it... really ugly...
[19:22] <oxymoron> I thought Rekonq was for KDE ...
[19:23] <oxymoron> Dont care about flash, nobody wants it anyway :P
[19:23] <debfx> lex79: why should we care? gtk is installed by default in kubuntu
[19:23] <oxymoron> Ignore Adobe Flash and Microsoft Silverlight and some beautiful day it will be gone from market because nobody uses it xD
[19:24] <oxymoron> Make sure you have support for HTML5 instead ;)
[19:24] <txwikinger> Is there a way to find out how often a particular package was downloaded from the repo or the ppa?
[19:24] <Riddell> txwikinger: popcon is all we have
[19:24] <txwikinger> where is popcon for ubuntu?
[19:24] <Riddell> popcon.ubuntu.com at a guess :)
[19:25] <txwikinger> ah. yes :)
[19:25] <oxymoron> And then I wondering, is someone working on webcam, firewire support?
[19:26] <lex79> Riddell: so if rekonq depends on gtk is not a problem?
[19:26] <oxymoron> lex79: => shadeslayer
[19:26] <shadeslayer> obviously
[19:28] <Riddell> lex79: it's not ideal, if we can remove that bit of code and qtwebkit doesn't crash with flash that would be better
[19:28] <oxymoron> Btw, may I ask. Whats your reasons for programming and doing particularly the thing you do and not anything else? :) I am thinking of contributing someway in the future big time :)
[19:29] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: you get to go around the world for free :P
[19:29] <shadeslayer> for eg. UDS,Akademy,etc,etc :P
[19:29] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Seriously? :) I always wanted to travel around the world :)
[19:29] <shadeslayer> and then you get to meet amazing people like Riddell and lex79
[19:30] <shadeslayer> and others in this channel who get sponsored :P
[19:30] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: yeah :D
[19:30] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Sweet :) But for mentality and psychological reasons then, why Kubuntu or system programming? :)
[19:31] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: a distro is really your choice.. you can go with suse or arch.. but kubuntu has sort of grown on me :P
[19:32] <shadeslayer> then theres so much to do in kubuntu.. .. probably in other distros as well... but loads of people to teach on kubuntu/debian
[19:33] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Is it possible to convince me even if I dont really like system programming? I moslty prefer web developing and designing :)
[19:33] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: talk to ofirk.. he is designing a new website for kubuntu :D
[19:33] <shadeslayer> so maybe you can help there
[19:34] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: I have some experiences in Python, C++, Java and GUIs but not large understanding of the languages itself, but those you get in time anyway. Know one, you know them all :P
[19:34] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:35] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: oh oh.. then theres money!
[19:35] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Yeah I could help with website, I really think KDE and Kubuntu need a solid and complete united design. For the moment (Sorry for the one designed it) the current website looks awful.
[19:35] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: you can participate in GSoC
[19:36] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/
[19:36] <shadeslayer> the new site
[19:36] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Not just sure if I like it or not, but I remember it was quite interesting to find out GUI coding, what do you call those GUI wrappers now agian you use, in Python for instance?
[19:37] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: To be honest I dont really like the new site. It need more curves, cleanyness, better fonts and more colors and less text.
[19:37] <oxymoron> It looks boring.
[19:37] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: uh... i dont know alot of coding :P.. starting out on ruby and Qt :P
[19:37] <oxymoron> Anyway, foodtime :P
[19:38] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: hack on it then :P
[19:38] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: you might also want to talk to sheytan :D
[19:38] <shadeslayer> hes the artwork guy :P
[19:38] <oxymoron> Ruby and QT I would like to check out later on I think :)
[19:38] <ScottK> maco: Did you have to specifically request the netbook image for your new machine?
[19:39] <maco> ScottK: yes i put it in the comments box because their web person hasnt added it to the website yet
[19:39] <maco> but 10.10 wont have a separate image anyway, right?
[19:39] <shadeslayer> maco: the new Tera 3?
[19:39] <simulacrum> I'm trying to install kubuntu-dev-tools in Kubuntu 10.04 with KDE 4.5 SC RC1 from Kubuntu PPA Beta and I get unmet dependencies (i.e. kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4) , any workaround?
[19:39] <ScottK> maco: Interesting.  Yes.
[19:39] <steveire_> There's a guy here at akademy working on Qt bindings of ruby on rails
[19:39] <maco> shadeslayer: terra hd
[19:39] <shadeslayer> right...
[19:39] <maco> shadeslayer: yes, getting a red one
[19:39] <shadeslayer> maco: nice :D
[19:39] <ScottK> simulacrum: We aren't really using those anymore, so you probably don't need them.
[19:40] <simulacrum> ok
[19:40] <ScottK> maco: For 10.10 it will be automatic.
[19:40] <maco> ScottK: yeah i showed Riddell the specs on that netbook and he went "uh oh"
[19:40] <maco> because the screen is 1366x768
[19:40] <shadeslayer> uh oh
[19:40] <ScottK> Right, over the threshold.
[19:40] <Riddell> I wonder if we can do a test about it being a laptop without a hard disk
[19:40] <shadeslayer> maco: you will get desktop :P
[19:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 0_o
[19:41] <maco> meanwhile my vm here was showing netbook UI for being below threshold
[19:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: laptop without hd != possible :P
[19:41] <maco> he said adding "laptop-detect" to the startkde checks might help
[19:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Can it be a combination of screen pixel size and DPI to get physical screen size?
[19:42] <ScottK> Riddell: Netbook images are stopped, btw.
[19:42] <Riddell> ScottK: I discussed that with plasma people, they seem to think not
[19:42] <ScottK> Sigh.
[19:42] <Riddell> dpi not being reliable they say
[19:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how about processor model?
[19:42] <ScottK> Maybe the #ubuntu-x folks have a good idea?
[19:43] <shadeslayer> we can add stuff for atom and non atom processors
[19:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: with solid state memory instead of magnetic disk
[19:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thats still a ' Hard ' Disk :P
[19:44] <Riddell> atom and non atom also not good apparantly, atom gets used in non-netbook
[19:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: procy + screen size?
[19:44] <maco> that netbook has hard disk options available
[19:44] <maco> i simply chose ssd
[19:44] <Riddell> oh and not having a CD is a good netbook characteristic
[19:45] <Riddell> must be possible to do laptop-detect && no cd drive
[19:46] <maco> Riddell: i know 14" laptops that lack cd drives too now though
[19:46]  * maco wishes it was just a choice on kdm
[19:47] <maco> ScottK: theyre doing a q&a right now on irc btw
[19:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how about a KDialog which pops up? asking to choose?
[19:48] <ScottK> maco: Who?  zareason?
[19:48] <maco> ScottK: yes
[19:49] <ScottK> Small channel.
[19:49] <maco> ScottK: aye, new
[19:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yuck
[19:50]  * apachelogger still does not know what laptop to buy :/
[19:50] <jussi> maco: you have till end of the month. 
[19:51] <maco> jussi: ok
[19:51] <jussi> maco: perhaps a few days beforehand
[19:52] <maco> you said dendrobates, right?
[19:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh finally... :D
[19:52] <jussi> maco: correct
[19:52] <apachelogger> oh my, qt creator needs an update notifier or something 
[19:52]  * shadeslayer sees apachelogger after long long time
[19:52]  * apachelogger goes 2.0 \\o/
[19:53] <jussi> apachelogger: if you have anything on jussi01.com, now would be the time to find a new home for it
[19:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I have been hiding from the Quintasan
[19:53]  * jussi only has a small amount of internet time left.
[19:53] <maco> jussi: is it possible to do a db dump of quassel logs?
[19:53] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: btw can you add a option in muon,that causes a shutdown after a upgrade in muon?
[19:53] <jussi> maco: If I can figure out how, yes.
[19:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lolwhut
[19:53] <maco> heh ok
[19:53] <apachelogger> jussi: fluffy is on there isn't it? :P
[19:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: neon nightmares? :P
[19:54] <apachelogger> talking about reliable hosting :P
[19:54] <jussi> apachelogger: hrr, eah, websites are getting transferred, bots and stuff are not
[19:54] <apachelogger> so
[19:54] <yofel> maco: there is a python app somewhere on the quassel webpage to make text dumps of the backlog
[19:55] <apachelogger> where to move kubotu to  :/
[19:55]  * apachelogger finds the amount of spam he gets lately rather scary
[19:56] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: thats the only feature thats stopping me from making muon my default package manager :P
[19:56] <shadeslayer> right now i can do that with apt-get  ;)
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I could put it somewhere on the todo list
[19:57] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: thanks :D
[19:57]  * apachelogger uses muon for default, except it breaks my localization :P
[19:57]  * apachelogger does not understand a word anymore :(
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: at the least, are all the translations from apt itself there? (And not python-looking?)
[19:58] <apachelogger> not the descriptions is you mean that
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> descriptions, maintainer, etc
[19:58] <apachelogger> somehow apt-get does weird foo to fetch specific stuff on update
[19:58] <apachelogger> muon does not
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> ...foo fetch for specific stuff?
[19:59] <apachelogger> remember that time when muon suddenly stopped talking german to me, when you were hunting those encoding issues
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah
[19:59] <apachelogger> that was caused by apt-get update fetching more than muon
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> hm
[20:00] <apachelogger> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-security/universe Translation-de                    
[20:00] <apachelogger> the cool thing about this is that this is not listed in anything /etc/apt/*
[20:01] <apachelogger> so supposedly that is some internal madness of apt-get or something
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> I do wonder how that would break l10n though. One would assume it would just use the old thingies if muon wasn't fetching them
[20:04] <apachelogger> apparently it wipes missing stuff
[20:05] <apachelogger> well, I think that it is difficult to tell for whatever thingy is responsible for keeping one's cache clean to tell whether files were removed from the remote site or just not fetched
[20:11]  * apachelogger notes that git-buildpackage feels much nicer than bzr-buildpackage :/
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: have time to test a patch for l10n update?
[20:14] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100708191350-yxw55nlb744xs3m7 * src/api/ (Account.cpp Subscription.cpp) this->--
[20:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: aye
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> this is the only thing signifcantly different between apt-get and libqapt: http://pastebin.com/gk8vZ41B
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> oh
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> you can ignore that new include :D
[20:16] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100708191548-t61d0wv85x32o82p * src/api/ (ApiTester.cpp CMakeLists.txt) good bye apitester o/
[20:16] <shadeslayer> my interwebs is fai today
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> since the qaptworker can only be started by a root DBus, I have to use QFile to write debug output to files :s
[20:16] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100708191616-vbxm169w4agxgfjq * src/api/ (13 files) formatting++
[20:18]  * apachelogger waits for a svn up -.-
[20:20] <apachelogger> ohm
[20:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is that patch against trunk?
[20:20] <apachelogger> fails to apply here
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> oh, um
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> I actually manually split it out of svn diff
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> I was working on something else before I tried that patch :P
[20:21] <apachelogger> hm
[20:21] <apachelogger> you know
[20:21] <apachelogger> you need to branch
[20:21] <apachelogger> which means you need to git :P
[20:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: lock() and unlock() could use brackets btw
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> true
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> though
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> I don't think I use those functions at all
[20:23] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:23] <shadeslayer> git++
[20:23] <shadeslayer> tho i know little about it...
[20:24] <shadeslayer> but its new fad in town :D
[20:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no improvement
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> :s
[20:24] <Quintasan> \o
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> I should be doing everything that apt-get's DoUpdate function is doing now...
[20:25]  * shadeslayer hides apachelogger behind him
[20:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hey :)
[20:25] <debfx> lex79: have you uploaded your rekonq package somewhere?
[20:26] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can you do anything about your host? I have ordered a shell with 6 day trial for now.
[20:26] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100708192616-q78bddas26uk381o * src/api/ (Account.cpp Subscription.cpp) this->++, whoever came up with those conflicting names is a moron, apachelogger--
[20:27] <lex79> debfx: nope, I'm trying if flashplugin works without gtk dependencies
[20:27] <Quintasan> grr
[20:27] <Quintasan> I need a host with hueg upload speed
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: apt-get vs libqapt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/460760/ vs http://paste.ubuntu.com/460761/
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> shouldn't be any different :(
[20:28] <apachelogger> maybe a called function does the foo?
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> nah, sudo apt-get update calls that, straight
[20:30]  * apachelogger is not going to gdb apt-get :P
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/460763/
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> it maps the cmdline arg to that function
[20:31] <apachelogger> wellllll
[20:31] <apachelogger> acquire should handle that stuff it seems :/
[20:31] <apachelogger> ./apt-pkg/acquire-item.cc:/* The Translation file is added to the queue */
[20:31] <debfx> lex79: do we want to get rid of gtk in the default kubuntu installation?
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> ble
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> +h
[20:32] <apachelogger> in particular ./apt-pkg/deb/debindexfile.cc:     string TranslationFile = "Translation-" + LanguageCode();
[20:32] <lex79> debfx:  if we can remove that bit of code and qtwebkit doesn't crash with flash that would be better
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> I'm using acquire-item :(
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> well, ListUpdate should be at any rate
[20:33] <Riddell> Quintasan: it moved to host-84-9-232-71.dslgb.com
[20:33] <shadeslayer> maco: lol @ fb status :P
[20:34] <apachelogger> righto
[20:34] <apachelogger> they cannot use i18n
[20:34] <apachelogger> they cannot use l10n
[20:34] <apachelogger> they cannot use translation
[20:34] <apachelogger> they use trans
[20:34] <apachelogger> \o/
[20:34]  * apachelogger imagiens that would fit well in a gtk macro context
[20:36] <shadeslayer> good night all ;)
[20:36] <lex79> debfx: btw, seems there is no differences with or without gtk deps and the workaround, flash works in the same way, it doesn't crash but it not works very well like firefox or chromium
[20:36] <lex79> shadeslayer: what about your packages in wiki ninja?
[20:36] <lex79> are in progress?
[20:36] <shadeslayer> lex79: uh.. do you want me to do them right now?
[20:37] <lex79> dunno, just ask ;)
[20:37] <shadeslayer> lex79: yep..
[20:37] <lex79> ok
[20:37] <shadeslayer> well.. my internet connection is full of fail today :P
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> Where is mvo when you need him???
[20:39] <shadeslayer> lex79: btw kdepim runtime has some binaries which need manpages
[20:39] <shadeslayer> and also needs to be uploaded to ppa
[20:40] <shadeslayer> and i dont know how to write any binaries :P
[20:40] <shadeslayer> uh
[20:40] <shadeslayer> manpages
[20:40]  * lex79 waits always Debian for the manpages :)
[20:41] <shadeslayer> lex79: oh oh... take kdenetwork
[20:41] <shadeslayer> lex79: but please get google call support in kopete this time :D
[20:42] <lex79> I don't understand if we can do that
[20:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[20:43] <Riddell> if the googletalk binary is the only thing that depends on libavcodecs then just split out the binary into a new package
[20:43] <shadeslayer> lex79: you might want to talk to Riddell .. he just told me to put the gcall binary in seprate install file.. i did that and then forgot about the package :P
[20:44] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:44] <lex79> uhm I think gcall binary needs libkopete built with libmediastreamer
[20:45] <shadeslayer> lex79: the rest of the stuff i can upload tommorow.. 
[20:45] <lex79> ok
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> http://blogs.sfweekly.com/foodie/2010/06/kool_aid_man.php
[20:45] <shadeslayer> lex79: oh and kdepim stuff wont go into archives
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> OH YEAAAAH
[20:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: apt-pkg is a real beauty
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I know :s
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> they have like 4 different iterators just to get info on a package
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> very un-object-oriented
[20:47] <ScottK> Riddell: We probably ought to think about having plasma-desktop/netbook preseedable somehow for OEMs.
[20:48] <shadeslayer> ScottK: have a option in the Boot Menu?
[20:48] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No.  Too late.
[20:48] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:48] <shadeslayer> ScottK: how come?
[20:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: now it works
[20:48] <ScottK> Once you boot you can pick anyway.
[20:49] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It needs to be selectable at install time.
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: because of the patch? Or just random?
[20:49] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hmm
[20:49] <shadeslayer> ive always wanted a Welkome menu after install tho
[20:49] <shadeslayer> which guides a user about the new desktop
[20:49] <apachelogger> OMG
[20:49] <apachelogger> OH DEAR
[20:49] <apachelogger> ahhh
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> wut?
[20:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I head a worker running from a root bash
[20:50] <apachelogger> so there is something off when the worker is started by dbus
[20:50] <apachelogger> missing LANG?
[20:51] <apachelogger> oh yes
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> so you started qaptworker in root bash, then did an update from muon, and it worked?
[20:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: seems like indexfile.cc gets the current lang fromt he env
[20:51] <apachelogger> if that is not set it will not try to fetch translations
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: so I should probably get locale from KGlobal, then do a setenv?
[20:52] <apachelogger> yes, if kglobal returns the right locale ;)
[20:52] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm, I don't really know how preseeding works in that respect
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, the kde locale could be different thant system...
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> hrmhrm
[20:52] <apachelogger> needs to be standard posix stuff, because they manually tear it apart 
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> I could manually parse /etc/locale :D
[20:52] <apachelogger> no
[20:52] <apachelogger> there is a locale binary :P
[20:52] <apachelogger> anyhow
[20:53] <apachelogger> kglobal should really work
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> ok
[20:53] <apachelogger> ...because...
[20:53] <ScottK> Riddell: Me neither.  Isn't the division of labor that I'm the idea man and you actually figure out how to do it?
[20:53] <Riddell> ScottK: I think it's a question for cjwatson
[20:53] <apachelogger> say system lang is french but admin is using spanish, it would be more natural if junk in the muony would be spanish I suppose
[20:54]  * ScottK adds it to the list of questions for him.
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> hmm, yeah.
[20:54] <apachelogger> do we know Phuc Nguyen Dinh?
[20:54]  * apachelogger likes when random people want to socialize with apachelogger on some social network ^^
[20:55] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> oh, ah
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> qaptworker is a Qt-only app
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> can't use kglobal
[20:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: possibly qt has own locale shiz
[20:56] <apachelogger> linkedin says Nightrose knows Phuc?
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> QLocale, believe it or not ;)
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's just a converter
[20:57] <apachelogger> possibly I am out of the loop who is rock star over at KDE these days ^^
[20:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah, RTFM :P
[20:57] <apachelogger> The QSystemLocale class can be used to finetune the system locale of the user.
[20:58] <apachelogger> maybe
[20:58] <apachelogger> or maybe nt
[20:58] <apachelogger> not
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> QSystemLocale::query() maybe?
[20:58] <apachelogger> QWidget::locale()?
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> QSystemLocale::query(QSystemLocale::LanguageId) should do it, I think
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I haz no qwidget. It only links to QtCore and polkit-qt-core-1
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> it's a quite small worker :)
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> oh, and qtdbus, but yeah
[21:00] <apachelogger> well
[21:00] <apachelogger> QLocale::system()
[21:00] <apachelogger> question is just how you get the locale string out of qlocale
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> QString QLocale::name () const
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> Returns the language and country of this locale as a string of the form "language_country", where language is a lowercase, two-letter ISO 639 language code, and country is an uppercase, two-letter ISO 3166 country code.
[21:01] <apachelogger> oh
[21:01] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:01] <apachelogger> sounds like what you need
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> ISO compliant and everything
[21:02] <James147> shadeslayer: updating kraft now
[21:03]  * apachelogger considers libubuntuone-qt-api beta quality
[21:03] <apachelogger> oh
[21:03] <apachelogger> yeah, beta, one thing is still missing IIRC ^^
[21:03] <ScottK> apachelogger: apachelogger beta quality or ubuntu one beta quality?
[21:03] <apachelogger> apachelogger beta quality :P
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you should name the package libubuntuone-qt-nda-api-private0
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> :P
[21:04] <apachelogger> lol
[21:04] <apachelogger> technically it is libubuntuone-kde-api anyway
[21:04] <Riddell> hi maxwellian 
[21:04] <apachelogger> until the fdo secrets magic gets stable and Qt incroporates it
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/460780/
[21:10] <James147> shadeslayer: seems to upgrade to the new version fine
[21:10] <maxwellian> Hi Riddell. :)
[21:10] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100708201018-bzi5x1konuc55hsp * src/api/ (Subscription.cpp Subscription.h) It is of no concern to the public that apachelogger loves qpointers
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> ^^
[21:12] <maxwellian> What does the CIA Bot do?
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> announces commits made to source code repositories
[21:13] <ScottK> It's an unfortunate coincidence that the acronym is overloaded.
[21:13] <Riddell> I always assumed it was deliberate
[21:14] <maxwellian> "Commit"...IA?
[21:16] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100708201531-mth24twafco8a6ec * src/api/ (Api.cpp Api.h) cleanup
[21:16] <maco> commit irc announcer?
[21:17] <maxwellian> Ah.
[21:17] <Riddell> no, it had a website long before it had irc
[21:18] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100708201818-ej6qldrg0sa2a19y * (4 files in 2 dirs) move statusnotifier stuff to the statusnotifier
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> commit information announcer?
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> It's still probably a {b/h}acronymn, at any rate ;)
[21:20] <maxwellian> Thanks. :)
[21:20] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100708202021-vhtrw43p4ur40y59 * src/statusnotifier/CMakeLists.txt \o autostart o/
[21:20] <Riddell> "alo Martins came up with the name "CIA" to refer to this IRC bot: PicoGUI is hosted in Subversion, and the bot was a brainless entity designed to keep an eye on subversion :)"
[21:20] <Riddell> http://cia.vc/doc/inside/
[21:21] <maxwellian> Hmmm...so it IS watching us...
[21:22]  * maxwellian looks warily at CIA-33
[21:23] <apachelogger> maxwellian: if (us.isSubversion()) return true;
[21:24] <apachelogger>                    i18nc("@info:status", "Authentication failed"),
[21:24] <apachelogger>                    i18nc("@info:tooltip", "Thy shaltnt enter here, muahhaah!eleven"));
[21:24] <apachelogger> ^^
[21:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: does muon have such stuff too? :P
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it has an easter egg somewhere ;)
[21:25] <apachelogger> does it mooo?
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> maybe :D
[21:25] <apachelogger> I already wondered why it links against phonon :P
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> well, no sound, but sorta
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> press crtl +shift+m
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> m is for moo :P
[21:27] <apachelogger> just saw the code :P
[21:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: fancy
[21:27] <apachelogger> BUT
[21:27] <apachelogger> not Qt enough
[21:27] <apachelogger> IMHO you need an easter egg in the easter egg
[21:27] <maxwellian> apachelogger: Sorry, I'm a noob...is that real code?? :)
[21:27] <apachelogger> exploring animation fuzz and sound support
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: rotating ascii cow, plus phonon moo!
[21:28] <apachelogger> maxwellian: yes :P
[21:28] <maxwellian> apachelogger: Awesome. :)
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> draw our ascii cow to a pixmap, then animate a rotation!
[21:28] <apachelogger> well, yeah
[21:28] <apachelogger> for starters
[21:28] <apachelogger> though rotation is kinda boring I must say
[21:28] <maxwellian> Phew, apachelogger is hard to please. :)
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I will make a fancy easter egg a blocker for the first stable release!
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> It shall be done!
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw, does that locale patch work?
[21:29] <apachelogger> maxwellian: well, my code does sip hot cups of tea, that is hard to beat ;)
[21:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, I didnt know I had to try it :P
[21:30] <maco> Riddell: thats funny
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: just to make sure ;)
[21:30] <apachelogger> we could do it the microsoft way and just say it works :P
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> :P
[21:30] <maxwellian> apachelogger: Wow, uh...yeah, that's about tops I think.
[21:31] <maxwellian> "Testing??  That's what users are for!"
[21:31] <apachelogger> maxwellian: also it is incredibly whiny when a user screws up
[21:31] <apachelogger> i18nc("@info:tooltip", ":'-( Couldn't you let me connect???"));
[21:32] <maxwellian> apachelogger: Ha. :)  What is this code for?
[21:32]  * apachelogger really likes his messages :D
[21:32] <apachelogger> maxwellian: outputting a localized version of ":'-( Couldn't you let me connect???"
[21:32] <apachelogger> well, technically it just gets the localized version
[21:32] <apachelogger> output happens elsewhere :)
[21:33] <apachelogger> hm
[21:33] <maxwellian> apachelogger: No, I don't mean what does it DO.  What is the code FROM?  What software?
[21:33] <apachelogger> oh
[21:33] <apachelogger> ubuntuone-kde
[21:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you will not like what I am about to tell you...
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> :(
[21:34] <maxwellian> apachelogger: Reason being, why am I not running something with such awesome error messages?
[21:35] <apachelogger> because it is using microsoft development techniques
[21:36] <apachelogger> incredibly long time to first alpha, then alpha->2betas->rc in less than a month and then public beta aka release :P
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oh, probably the var needing set is LC_MESSAGES
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> that is what apt-pkg looks for
[21:38] <apachelogger> LC_MESSAGES is not defined in a regular session
[21:38] <apachelogger> root@osiris:/home/me/src/svn/kde/playground/sysadmin/muon/src# qaptworker 
[21:38] <apachelogger> de_AT 
[21:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe apt-pkg stumbles on it missing .utf8?
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> locale says it is on my session: LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
[21:40] <apachelogger> testi testi
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/460798/ <- this is the apt-pkg magics
[21:41] <apachelogger> LC_MESSAGES does not change a thing
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> :/
[21:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you have a debug class for the worker?
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: QFile::rename("/home/jonathan/lol", "/home/jonathan/ + string);
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> :P
[21:43] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:43] <apachelogger> oh dear :P
[21:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how about a global debugger to log to a file?
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> could be done I suppose
[21:48] <apachelogger> hm
[21:50] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:50] <apachelogger> ohm
[21:52] <apachelogger> this is awesome
[21:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: apparently lang is not set despite being set
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> :s
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> it should be set, and overwrite what is there even
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> ergh, it's showing up as "C" here
[21:55] <apachelogger> aha!
[21:55] <apachelogger> ahaaaaaaa
[21:55] <apachelogger> aaaaaaaahhaaaa
[21:55] <ScottK> apachelogger: Heisenburg's Lang?
[21:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: possible case of implicit sharing maybe?
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what would be implicitly shared?
[21:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: who, what, when, where is that? :)
[21:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the stringy
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> QLocale::name() is const, so maybe
[21:57] <ScottK> apachelogger: The Lang is neither set nor unset.  Sounded very Heisenburg like (or maybe it was Schroedinger's Cat)
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: aha, QLocale::name() is returning C
[21:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: supposedly that bonkery stuff uses the env ;)
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> I think I'll just use the locale command....
[21:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, you know, people who are into cats are weird :P
[21:59] <apachelogger> see Nightrose :P
[21:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: does C(++) not have some magic?
[21:59] <ScottK> ;-)
[21:59] <apachelogger> at the very least you could link against something locale/gettextish
[21:59] <apachelogger> then query that for the real locale
[22:00] <apachelogger> good news everyone!
[22:00] <apachelogger> http://pastebin.ca/1896863
[22:01] <apachelogger> it does not work either way
[22:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is the same locale output as in a regular root session
[22:02] <apachelogger> still no dice 
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> so... parse /etc/default/locale
[22:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: New libktorrent uploaded in Debian.
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: where can I see it?
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: it's not in incoming.debian.org yet
[22:07] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'm not sure then.  I just saw mail about it (I'm on the Debian KDE/Qt team mailing lists.
[22:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, for some reason std::setlocale returns C too
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I guess I have to parse /etc/default/locale manually then :(
[22:10] <apachelogger> what would this help?
[22:10] <apachelogger> oh
[22:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I manually set a code and yet setlocale reports C
[22:10] <apachelogger> locale and env are fine though
[22:11] <apachelogger> hm
[22:11] <apachelogger> maybe
[22:11] <apachelogger> ...
[22:12] <Quintasan> lol
[22:12] <apachelogger> oh
[22:12] <apachelogger> DEAR
[22:12] <apachelogger> omg!
[22:12] <apachelogger> \o/
[22:13] <apachelogger> DO NOT BLINK!
[22:13] <Quintasan> sup apachelogger 
[22:13]  * apachelogger thinks that he should play a bit Black&White
[22:13] <Quintasan> apachelogger: go to work
[22:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: btw. why the hell I shouldn't blink?
[22:14] <apachelogger> BLINK AND YOU ARE DEAD!
[22:14]  * Quintasan blinks over 9000 times
[22:14] <apachelogger> DO NOT LOOK AWAY
[22:14] <Quintasan> hmm red wall next to me
[22:15] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I don't know what you are taking but I want one kilogram of it
[22:15] <Quintasan> :D
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:17] <apachelogger> and I wanted to go to bed early -.-
[22:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: one problem down
[22:17] <apachelogger> now we just need a way to get the proper locale
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what problem did you fix0r?
[22:17] <apachelogger> the one of setloccale being silly :P
[22:18] <apachelogger> WELL
[22:18] <apachelogger> this is flipping silly
[22:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger: wait, you are actually SLEEPING?
[22:19] <apachelogger> at times
[22:21] <ScottK> Quintasan: Yes.  He's even more brilliant when awake.
[22:23] <Quintasan> ScottK: How does one chat on IRC while asleep?
[22:23] <ScottK> Quintasan: apachelogger is special
[22:23] <Quintasan> I can already see that by his "request" no to blink ;)
[22:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can we pass an argument to the worker at start?
[22:24]  * apachelogger does not see another way to get to the locale without parsing manually, which should be avoided at all costs
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I think if we changed the Exec= line in the .service file, then perhaps
[22:25] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opy5DleJfOY
[22:29] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW1x2TmIq8s&feature=related
[22:29] <apachelogger> :D
[22:31] <debfx> JontheEchidna: do you call setlocale(LC_ALL,"") before querying the locale?
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> debfx: this is what I am doing: http://paste.ubuntu.com/460817/
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> (I have to leave in a few minutes, but no rush)
[22:33] <debfx> what does QLocale return?
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> C
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> it should be en_US.Utf-8
[22:34] <debfx> try calling setlocale(LC_ALL,"") before
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> ok
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> debfx: no dice. I have to get to my evening class, be back in a few hours
[22:35] <apachelogger> debfx: that would reset to environmental locale wouldnt it?
[22:35] <apachelogger> and since the env is not set it will go straight to C anyway
[22:35] <apachelogger> which does not help
[22:35] <debfx> apachelogger: it actually sets the locale
[22:36] <debfx> before it's always "C"
[22:36] <apachelogger> it sets the locale to what the environment defines as locale
[22:36] <apachelogger> in our case the environment does not define one, which is the whole problem here
[22:36] <apachelogger> otherwise QLocale would pick that up to begin with
[22:40] <debfx> apachelogger: so how do you want to determine the appropriate locale?
[22:40] <debfx> and why aren't the environment variables set?
[22:53] <otak>  /bye