[00:01] jono: Yes, I remember reading it from a bug report, maths is fun. [00:02] cool === paultag_ is now known as paultag [01:51] http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/783087595/on-roads-ways-and-packaging [01:52] thoughts? [01:52] I know it's too long [01:58] jcastro: i like it. can be trimmed down but raises a lot of good points [01:59] yeah, I am a vuvuzela today [02:00] does that mean i can use one of the vuvuzela filters on your blog? [02:00] ;) [02:08] jcastro: good blog post [02:10] jcastro: the first thing that jumped out at me is the paralell drawn between the iphone and apt. (Of course Ubuntu allows you out of the walled garden if you want) [02:10] people do like the fact that iphone apps all come from one place [02:10] right [02:10] yep [02:11] ilike that point. Will include it in my 'Ubuntu Elevator Pitch' :) [02:24] Made some good progress on CLIcompanion. If anyone has any input let me know. http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/okwiki/clicompanion [03:20] I saw the Lucid edition of Ubuntu User magazine at the bookstore today. I always enjoy seeing how many authors in it I know ;) [03:20] nhandler, +1 [05:23] aloha [05:23] jcastro: ping [05:23] aloha czajkowski [05:23] ddecator: hey [05:24] czajkowski: hi [05:24] jcastro: free for a brief pm ? [05:24] yeah for a bit [06:34] jcastro: so whats the count? 150 windows? [06:34] ;) [06:34] it subsided. :D [06:34] heh :) [06:35] jcastro: saw my mail btw? [06:35] yeah [06:35] I will follow up with you tomorrow [06:35] off to bed now! [06:35] ok [06:35] Good night! [06:39] hello nigelb [06:43] heya duanedesign [07:16] hey kim0 [07:24] jono, morning [07:25] * kim0 kicks xchat .. definitely lacking in notifications :) [07:25] kim0, hows things? [07:25] heh [07:25] heh, jono is still up... [07:25] jono, is 24x7 [07:25] almost :) [07:25] jono: are you this side of the atlantic or something? [07:27] jussi, nope, I am at home in Cali [07:33] jussi: jono is just sleep challenged [07:34] hahah [07:36] :) [07:36] kim0: that's why you use irssi and setup a notification script ;) [07:37] ddecator, I'm most likely switching .. yeah right [07:38] irssi, pfff... use a real irc client... Quassel ftw! :P (oh, yeah, probably not kde users...) [07:39] * jussi grins [07:39] byobu + irssi [07:40] jussi: quassel is for kids :p [07:40] * nigelb runs. Fast. [07:41] * jussi throws waterballoons at nigelb [07:41] lol :) [07:41] quassel looks good in pictures [07:41] kim0: its got several features for me that ar indespensible [07:41] and I hate cli clients ;D [07:42] so its great! [07:42] My biggest gripe .. when I'm not looking to the screen and miss the message notification ... Would irssi have a permenant icon notification or something similar ?! [07:43] kim0: doesnt the new notification thing keep the old messages that you missed? or is that only kde...? [07:43] ehum .. I dont think they're kept in gnome [07:43] nigelb: been doing a lot of running from people lately, haha [07:44] ddecator: nah, I've been poking quite a bit lately [07:44] kim0: if I click the little information "i", I get this in kde: http://imagebin.ca/view/7my-Ab_e.html [07:44] kim0: irssi would highlight the channel that you have been highlighted in, and i have it setup to use notify-osd to show me messages where i'm highlighted :) [07:45] nigelb: maybe that too :p [07:45] ddecator, yeah and notify-osd is only invoked once, if you miss it there's no way to know there's a notification unless by looking at irssi itself .. correct ? [07:45] * jussi wonders how many people here clicked that picture just to see my notifications... [07:46] * kim0 clicked :) [07:46] KDE looks awesome .. I was a long time KDE user .. if only it weren't too slow .. I might even switch back [07:46] kim0: afaik yes. n-handler has it talk to him or something when he gets notified [07:47] kim0: I dont find it slow. ;) [07:47] jussi, nvidia VGA ? [07:47] kim0: yup [07:47] mm I'm nvidia too [07:47] err, DVi [07:47] but yeah [07:47] I thought kde had issues with nvidia [07:47] I'll most likely give it another spin [07:48] mind, Ive got ati at work [07:48] * jussi loves that he can use kde at work :) [07:48] * nigelb is using it on work laptop [07:48] jussi, using its built in compositing ? [07:48] kim0: not at work - my ati card is evil. at home, yes [07:48] jussi, gotta love work that allows kde yeah :) [07:49] kim0: most of the workplace is ubuntu based [07:49] hmm .. I thought ATI drivers were progressing much better than nvidia these days [07:49] kinda happens like that when the company does embedded linux development [07:49] kim0: supposedly, but Ive not seen that. [07:50] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M76 [Radeon Mobility HD 2600 Series] <- work laptop ATI card. [07:50] * kim0 has a nvidia 8400M GS [07:51] oh, and if any of you know about this, would be awesome to hear some ideas: http://jussi01.com/?p=95 [07:52] jussi, are you using any non kde apps on your kde [07:53] kim0: a couple. gnomes nm (for 3g), avidemux - because kdenlive doesnt like me, pioneers :D, chromium, gimp [07:53] kde nm still broken huh :) [07:54] kim0: the new one is looking quite nice, but Ive not played with 3g on it yet, havent had time [07:54] jussi: most 3g services stick you behind their NAT and content filter, you get a 10.* IP address [07:55] so pick the providor with the least nasty setup you can find [07:55] AlanBell: Im pretty sure here in .fi they dont, lemme just check [07:55] Orange block Ubuntu forums [07:56] unless you phone up and beg for them to turn off all the parental controls and filtering [07:56] yep, my mobile gives me a regular addresss. [07:58] AlanBell: 3g here is pretty much equated to regular internet, in fact its used to provide (in some cases, including mine) the mandatory minimum 1mb internet service that is now a "right" in .fi [07:58] good morning [07:59] dholbach: ah, you're still alive! [07:59] hiya nigelb [07:59] sure am [07:59] heh [07:59] morning dholbach [07:59] kim0: new nm in kde: http://imagebin.ca/view/2YI1XaNQ.html [07:59] dholbach: cried last nigt? ;) [07:59] aww [07:59] forgot about that. [07:59] jussi: I saw so sad that Germany lost :( [07:59] poor germans... [07:59] jussi: pretty cool [08:00] * nigelb was rooting for Germany [08:00] nigelb: no, not really [08:00] * jussi was hoping for spain :) [08:00] that wretched octapus got it right [08:00] hola ara [08:00] http://english.samaylive.com/sports/676467769.html [08:00] heya ara :) [08:01] hey dholbach, nigelb, all! [08:01] morning ara [08:02] morning dholbach .. Good you're not too much into football :) [08:02] hey kim0 [08:03] morning ddecator [08:03] it was an exciting game to watch, and a bit sad to lose but it's not like I'll cry myself into sleep for the next two months :) [08:03] indeed it was a pretty good game [08:08] dholbach: heh [08:10] Technoviking: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! [08:40] pleia2, akgraner: I just uploaded the Learning Events calendar with UDW sessions - do you think somebody of the team could doublecheck I did it correctly? [08:40] also all: can you blog or microblog about UDW please? :-) [08:43] s/uploaded/updated [08:43] * dholbach gets another coffee [08:50] * popey hugs dholbach [08:50] AlanBell: 3 dont put you behind NAT [08:50] * dholbach hugs popey back [08:50] AlanBell: I have ssh'ed to my laptop when it's been connected via 3G [08:53] oh, that is nice [08:53] O2 and Orange are nasty NATters I think [09:03] oh, and the game yesterday was somewhat boring, IMHO. the dutch game was more fun to watch for me :) [09:03] and what is with the evil repos being so slow today? [09:03] most fun game = germany vs argentina [09:04] jussi: change servers [09:04] Im getting like 47kbs... [09:04] grr [09:04] jussi: select "best server" not sure if it works with kpackagekit though [09:23] popey: i am writing a pretty neat blog post on using a script that calls ffmpeg, pacat, parec to make screencasts. [09:24] wasnt having much luck with GTK-RecordMyDesktop. [09:25] nice! [09:25] be interested in that [09:27] popey: it keeps the intermediate video and audio recordings seperate which is nice. It also creates combined audio and video file using mpeg2 video and mp2 audio [09:28] you end up with 4 files. If the .avi is acceptable you can throw away the intermediate files to save space [09:29] anyway kinda excited about it, ill let you know when i finish it. [09:36] great [09:36] make a quickly app in front of it :) [10:19] hola randa_ [10:19] hola dholbach [10:19] dholbach: how are you? [10:19] good good - how about you? [10:20] busy dholbach [10:24] duanedesign: 10:24:16 < ubuntuuk-planet> [Andrew] Introducing a screencaster called Kazam - http://whyareyoureadingthisurl.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/introducing-a-screencaster-called-kazam/ [10:24] seen that? [11:05] popey: http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/?p=1313 → "Error establishing a database connection" [11:06] ah now it works [11:48] dpm has been missing lately? [11:50] vacation for a week [12:01] popey: good work on the podcast [12:01] thanks [12:11] popey: thanks for the link [12:12] np [12:14] popey: i need all the screencast related stuff i can find. Gives me an excuse to keep writing blog post on the subject and mentioning the Screencast Team [12:14] ;) [12:15] heh [12:22] popey: duanedesign called your voice sexy [12:24] heh, but not the accent though [12:33] lol [12:35] don't make me grep logs. I said he had a good screencast voice. [12:41] "screencast voice" [13:09] buenas mornings! [13:09] ara: are you in berlin? [13:10] jcastro, hey! yes, I am [13:10] give daniel big hug for me if you see him [13:11] and like, viva la espana! [13:11] (or however you say it) [13:11] hehehe [13:11] heh [13:14] jcastro: good morning! [13:16] * dholbach hugs jcastro and ara :) [13:18] haha [13:18] paultag: duanedesign i have a great face for radio [13:19] Ha! [13:59] dholbach, thanks! [14:18] Morning all [14:18] Second day at FOSSed [14:20] hey doctormo [14:28] hey paultag [14:28] hmm , is dpm on vac? [14:34] akgraner: looks good? [14:34] vish: yes [14:34] vish: he'll back on Monday AFAIK [14:34] dholbach: oh cool! thanks [14:36] kim0: how are you doing? how's Cairo? [14:37] dholbach, :) Cairo is hot .. it's 37C now [14:37] kim0: apart from that, everything alright? [14:37] dholbach, for me I'm fine .. busy putting some final touches on that report thing [14:37] super [14:38] dholbach, I'll have a call with jono today 6pm [14:38] gotcha [14:38] kim0: how you getting on? finding everything ok? [14:38] dholbach, thanks for the ping [14:38] jcastro, so far so good .. at least I think so .. Thanks guys :) [14:45] jcastro: hey , maybe you know this? the bugs from the font-test tool are getting filed in the "fonttest" package, rather than in the UbuntuBetaFonts [14:46] just a heads up :) [14:46] yeah I don't know what's up with that [14:46] ping ken perhaps? [14:46] sure.. [14:51] LoCo Directory (loco.ubuntu.com) meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 10 minutes [15:18] Facebook gets sued by the German state! [15:19] Good to see that a line is drawn. [15:19] I don't despise Facebook, but I do think they should be taught they can't do everything and get away with ti. [15:19] Idem dito for Google. [15:19] Maybe they should get sued as well. [15:35] dholbach: I had a quick look - "Helpers" is not a required field so no need to put "TBD", it's better to leave it out entirely until you actually have helpers because the bot will take it literally and try to voice "tbd" [15:35] pleia2: I dunno who put them in in the first place :) [15:36] pleia2: I just added all the instructors and session titles :) [15:36] I don't believe "Agenda" is either, but I don't think it hurts to have it in there (I'll ask nhandler though) [15:36] oh, huh [15:37] ok, well I'll review the rest in a bit, I also have a ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com post about to go out the door [15:37] pleia2: awesome [15:37] nhandler: ^ can you comment? [15:37] hey jono [15:40] hey dholbach [15:40] LD meeting right now :D [15:46] pleia2, dholbach: Agenda is not a recognized field. I know we did some testing with unrecognized fields a while ago (the bot ignored them like it should), but we have not done any recently. [15:46] nhandler: I have no idea who put them there [15:46] nhandler: I just filled out the blanks [15:47] dholbach: Don't worry about it. We're testing out a new version of classbot over the next 2 days (to try and get it ready for UUD and UDW). I'll make sure we test unrecognized fields again. [15:47] super, thanks [15:49] Oh fun http://lifehacker.com/5582302/preview-and-possibly-install-ubuntus-next-default-font completely messed up describing who can test the new beta font [15:53] Does 10.10 get the testing font now [15:59] kim0, just give me a few mins, I want to give your report a quick skim [15:59] jono, sure thing [16:04] vish: thought on mail list night? [16:05] kim0, ok, all set [16:05] logging into mumble now [16:19] dholbach: thanks! [16:19] * dholbach hugs Technoviking [16:19] IT'S HIS BIRTHDAY! [16:19] 21 again! [16:20] 43!?!, Now all you kids, get off my lawn:) [16:22] happy birthday Technoviking :) [16:26] \o/ not being the oldest here [16:26] oi grandad! happy birthday Technoviking [16:26] nigelb: yeah , thats already a plan , jcastro is going to writing one shortly [16:26] Happy Birthday Technoviking [16:27] to be* writing [16:28] what [16:28] what plan? [16:28] jcastro: the blog :) [16:28] about the papercut guy [16:29] ooh, I'll do that now [16:32] jcastro, dude, you have to switch off the second menu, it is sweet :-) [16:33] jono: You can afford to turn it off, it's not your job to drive how well it's being tested. :) [16:34] jcastro, I mean the menu in the app window [16:34] so I just use the indicator app menu [16:34] there are still small issues, like bullet points showing up as checkboxes, etc. [16:34] but if all goes well today then tomorrow I will shut them off. :D [16:36] jono: fyi didrocks is at some french conference so unity this week will probably be mondayish [16:37] thanks all [16:37] I'm sure he's speaking to 234234123453464567 LoCo people [16:37] Technoviking: happy birthday! [16:37] There are quite some LoCo people in France. [16:37] indeed! [16:39] jcastro, np [16:46] qense: Thanks for correcting the Lifehacker post. [16:47] nhandler: Thanks for noticing it! :P You said it was wrong and I left a comment. [16:49] Holy Cow! My xsession errors file is more than 610 MB big and it has more than 3 million lines! [16:49] more than 4 million now! [16:51] qense: I was thinking about commenting, but decided not to [16:52] ok [17:15] vish: is there a papercut channel? [17:16] jcastro: #ayatana is used if needed [17:17] jcastro: it was brought up during UDS-M, but we decided to stick to #ayatana, mainly because it is already there and there are experienced (design, dx and desktop) people in it. [17:18] We taught it wasn't necessary to create a separate channel. [17:18] thought [17:18] ok I was just finishing up my blog on it [17:18] vish: man, this will be awesome [17:18] vish: I got a quote from upstream [17:18] :) [17:20] http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/785661804/papercutter-profile-marcus-carlson [17:20] reading! [17:20] if you guys could leave a "thanks!" or something on there [17:20] that would be swell [17:20] God, I love this kind of blog post. [17:20] jono: read that post and tell me it doesn't make you wanna listen to METAL. [17:21] jono: re-tweet jcastro pls :) [17:24] jcastro, will do, and one in return: http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/08/indicator-panel-menu-rocks-the-house/ [17:25] jono: cody russell [17:25] not somerville [17:25] balls [17:25] hah [17:25] obvious mistake [17:25] jono: also, scottk just blogged about it in kubuntu and how aurelien is working with upstream [17:25] so throw a link that way! [17:25] I always mix them up [17:25] http://skitterman.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/global-menu-in-action-in-kubuntu-maverick/ [17:26] ok, I have some tweeting to do :-) [17:26] yeah [17:26] much better than your "how is everyone doing this morning!" [17:26] screw you :) [17:26] you're becoming the mmeeks of twitter [17:26] * jcastro runs [17:30] dholbach, can you get UDW in Lernid [17:30] it is not there [17:33] jono: it is in the calendar [17:33] I added it this morning [17:34] jono: or do I need to do something special to get it into Lernid? [17:34] jono: I have no idea how to do anything but something in the calendar [17:36] hey dholbach [17:36] have I said sorry for your loss today yet? [17:36] jcastro: not explicitly to me, but I heard how sorry you were [17:36] "viva la españa" were your words [17:37] yeah, but I don't know how to make the n with the squiggly [17:37] :) [17:37] dholbach, just adding it to the calendar should do it [17:37] jono: I did that [17:37] dholbach, can you paste me the ical link [17:37] so I can check it is right on the server [17:38] jono: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/canonical.com_qg6t4s8i7mg8d4lgfu9f93qid4%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics [17:38] jcastro: over here it's <+> [17:39] dholbach, odd I am not seeing it [17:39] dholbach, can you test it in Lernid and see if it works [17:39] will lucid lernid be good enough? [17:41] jono: ^ [17:41] I selected "Ubuntu Developer Week" from the list [17:41] then it crashed [17:41] it shows the wiki page in the session pane [17:41] no timetable though [17:43] jono: bug 603248 [17:43] dholbach: Bug 603248 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/603248 is private [17:43] maybe that's the issue [17:43] I dunno [17:43] I'll subscribe you to it [17:44] that might be the problem, parsing dates [17:46] jono: ^? [17:48] dholbach, calendar did you put the events in? [17:48] jono: can you elaborate? [17:48] oops [17:48] which cal did you put the events in [17:48] ? [17:48] the Ubuntu Learning one? [17:48] yes [17:48] it was filled out already [17:49] just needed more info [17:49] as I see it, lernid explodes parsing it [17:49] hmmm [17:49] I wonder what changed [17:50] we have done that with previous events [17:50] dholbach, can you look into this and see what is up? [17:50] I subscribed you to the bug [17:50] thanks [17:50] dholbach, but please follow up with the Lernid team [17:50] I want to make sure this is fixed [17:51] I'm not sure we'll manage to get it into lucid-updates for monday [17:51] but I'll talk to the guys tomorrow first thing [17:51] if that's ok [17:52] or hang on, let me un-private it [17:52] ok, filed it as an upstream issue too [17:53] jono: does http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51581983/Traceback.txt look to you like the issue? [17:53] jono: maybe you can set the upstream importance high? [17:54] dholbach, I am not involved in Lernid development any more, so I am not sure [17:55] can you talk to mbudde about this for me? [17:55] jono: ok, I'll send a separate mail [17:55] thanks [17:55] :) [17:56] ok, I'll send it now, but then I'll have to leave [17:56] have a great rest of your day [17:57] jono: is there anything we need to do to confirm that User Days (This Saturday-Sunday) is in lernid? [17:58] ok, done [17:59] jono: anything else? [17:59] just mailed Michael [17:59] pleia2, it isnt in there right now [17:59] one sec while I wrap something [18:00] dholbach, that should be cool, just follow up and keep on top of it [18:00] thanks [18:00] will do [18:00] take care [18:00] JFo: holy ext4 fixes batman! [18:01] heh [18:01] mondo patches :) [18:02] it's unfortunate that the internets will focus on the bugs where the process fails instead of the good ones like this one [18:18] that's like saying you wish the titanic never sank. what a boring moveie that would've been then. [18:29] * jussi waves to highvoltage [18:30] * highvoltage waves over the atlantic [18:31] oh, your in canada now, nice! [18:37] <-- late lunchin' [18:39] jcastro: yep, bit of an adaptation since it's in a small city but otherwise I'm in good company so it's good [18:44] highvoltage: How you handling the humidity? [18:45] IdleOne: it's tough but I'm surviving, moving into a new place with air conditioning next week, but by then the humidity might be mostly over anyway :) [18:45] yeah hopefully [18:46] This might sound like a dumb question but have you ever been in a Northern country in the winter? [18:47] akgraner: prod [18:48] IdleOne: no, not yet, it's going to be a bit of a shock in the beginning :) [18:48] hehe [18:49] I grew up here and it's a shock every year :P [18:51] yeah I told the people at work that they're probably used to it by now, and they also said that you never really get used to it. but at least there's central heating everywhere so it's just cold in the short moments you have to go outside [18:52] akgraner: if you have a sec there is a matter I'd care to attend to :) [18:54] highvoltage: it isn't as bad as you might imagine [18:54] I mean 6-7 months a year at 20 below, you can handle that [18:54]