[00:22] Any idea on when we might see ff4b1 in mozilla-security? [00:27] hackel: you won't [00:28] hackel: it will be in the dailies this weekend, probably another week or 2 before I set up a beta PPA [00:29] Ohh, cool I thought 3.5 beta was in security last time, but a separate ppa is good too. Would be much appreciated by all, thank you. :) [00:29] hackel: if you subscribe to the mailing list, I'll send an update as things happen [01:38] micahg, Javascript is still broken, even after the latest xulrunner update. [02:02] bobby: probably won't get an update till this weekend === yofel_ is now known as yofel [08:57] dang, chris isn't around [08:57] need to ask him something [08:57] anyone around familiar with the firefox sru policy? [09:10] sup fta [09:10] hi [09:34] morning, Turtles === fta__ is now known as fta [09:49] hmm , why cant i find firefox in SC :s [09:51] oh , wait! it is titled "Safe & Easy browser...." [10:22] BUGabundo_remote, --enable-tabbed-options [10:26] * BUGabundo_remote wonders what fta is talking about [10:27] you do know I'm blond, right? [10:27] you need to throw me a tiny bit more details, then a single line [10:28] well, i expected a tabbed options UI, but it's weird, try it ;) [10:30] ahh [10:30] * BUGabundo_remote launches a new profile [10:38] $ chromium-browser --temp-profile --enable-tabbed-options [10:38] either I'm doing it wrong [10:38] or I don't see anything diff [10:39] BUGabundo_remote, it's new in today's version [10:39] but it's still in-progress, not sure what they have in mind here [10:39] sorry [10:39] r51813 has it [10:39] dbus broken here [10:40] stuff is lagging like hell [10:40] I have to kill most apps just to get my desktop [10:40] Installed: 6.0.460.0~svn20100708r51813-0ubuntu1~ucd1~karmic [10:40] karmic? [10:56] fta: debian... karmic ppa is the only that works [10:56] anyone knows who can I talk about dbus/gcong? [10:56] *gconf === fta_ is now known as fta === BUGabundo_remote is now known as BUGabundo_DBUS_C === BUGabundo_DBUS_C is now known as BUGa_DBUS_Crashi === fta_ is now known as fta === fta is now known as fta2 === fta2 is now known as fta === fta_ is now known as fta [13:12] firefox keeps crashing [13:13] nevermind it just miniized for no reason and open the wrong home page. [13:41] what is central time? -500 [13:46] and i figure out how to use date to get it. [13:46] * gnomefreak be back === fta_ is now known as fta [14:06] damn, my connection is still unstable. [14:07] gave me the opportunity to write a nick recovery script for xchat [14:27] lol [14:27] you nerd [14:36] BUGabundo_remote, why? should i just sit on my hands and complain instead? [14:52] jcastro, hi, just read your last blog post, i don't really get your point. do you want to just forget about our efforts and push to have the upstream binaries in the 1st line? [14:53] fta: I'm kind of thinking somewhere in the middle. [14:54] argh, no upstream binaries [14:54] fta: so ideally we just make said upstreams ubuntu developers [14:55] It would be really great if upstreams produced real ubuntu packages, built on ubuntu, and integrated in the software centre....but...that's not going to happen [15:08] actually I take that back, we should do everything we can to make that happen [15:10] mdeslaur: right [15:11] mdeslaur: that's kind of what I am getting it in my blog post, but it ended up being 5404 pages long [15:14] jcastro: I was going to blog about how packaging isn't the problem, unstable ABI, rapid release schedules, and linux fragmentation is the problem...but... [15:15] yeah, I ran out of text box [15:15] but you're right about that === fta_ is now known as fta [15:16] mdeslaur: my perspective is something like this "I meet a new upstream at say a conference, they want to get in the distro but are not expert packagers" = long hard pain [15:16] if they're lucky I can find a motu and/or DD to help them [15:17] if not then ... [15:17] jcastro: so, they can produce the binaries, but are having difficulties packaging them up? [15:17] jcastro: or difficulties packaging them up for a bunch of different distros? [15:17] right, so they go quick and maybe do that or throw it up in a PPA and don't bother [15:18] mdeslaur: I think they see the packaging guide and the corresponding policy docs and just glaze over [15:18] jcastro: I still glaze over when I look at them [15:19] right, and you're an expert! [15:19] I could rant for hours on how packaging is too complex, and non standardized [15:22] this would be a good discussion over some beer :P [15:22] indeed [15:29] imho, that won't work [15:29] and it would limit innovation [15:30] ie, no lcd filter & no plugin finder in firefox, no app indicator everywhere, etc. [15:31] not to mention the security nightmare, catching all embedded libs shipped by random obscure upstreams [15:32] and also, most upstream target only 1 dist with its (often old) toolchain [15:39] fta: hah! I was thinking about "limiting innovation" also [15:40] fta: upstream build one binary for the lowest common denominator [15:40] yep [15:58] jcastro, jfyi, nda in the package name of the ubuntu font made me run away from it. i guess i'll wait until it's really out [16:01] fta: we're fixing that (someone reported a bug) [16:03] jcastro, good. for the records, i'm not scared by NDAs (i've signed quite a few over the years as part of my job), but i don't see how the concept applies here [16:04] fta: you do know "nda" means "New Design Approval", right? :) [16:04] lol [16:04] so it's even more confusing [16:05] LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL [16:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU1qSSZDPws [16:08] BUGabundo_remote, http://nexusonehacks.net/nexus-one-hacks/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-your-nexus-oneandroid/ [16:10] lol, that guys installs ubuntu over android using W7 [16:11] -s [16:12] I have debian on my magic :D [16:17] micahg: is there anything I can help with re Browse / pyxpcom / hulahop? [16:18] lfaraone: no, I just need time which I'm severely lacking ATM, thanks, I'll let you know when there's something to test === fta_ is now known as fta === fta_ is now known as fta === fta_ is now known as fta [18:47] chrisccoulson: hi! [18:47] hi jdstrand, how are you? [18:47] chrisccoulson: so my little cacao endeavor did not work [18:47] chrisccoulson: oh good. you? :) [18:48] jdstrand - oh, how come? [18:48] yeah, i'm good thanks. been busy tidying the house today though [18:48] chrisccoulson: I don't think I can adjust the overrides in release, since it is frozen forever [18:48] ah, thats a bit of a pain [18:48] chrisccoulson: so what we have to do is build it in the ppa, then I can copy over the bits to main for next time [18:49] chrisccoulson: the versioning kinda stinks though, cause jaunty and karmic have the some version [18:49] ok, makes sense. do you want to do that, or do you need me to do anything? [18:50] chrisccoulson: I can do it [18:50] ok, thanks :) [18:51] meh, I need to adjust it for jaunty - maverick === fta_ is now known as fta === fta_ is now known as fta === jussi is now known as jussio1 === fta_ is now known as fta [20:18] chrisccoulson: ho ... when are we getting ffox 4 :) [20:18] in ppa? [20:18] asac: I hope to get to it this wekeend [20:18] great [20:19] thats awesome stuff :) [20:19] asac: then , I have to make it all in one so I can make a beta ppa with the first beta [20:19] i saw demos that made me cry!! [20:19] of joy :) [20:19] awesome :) [20:19] micahg: yeah great. beta1 is out :) [20:20] asac: I'm hoping it'll rival chrome in the final release [20:20] asac: I wanted to ask you about enigmail, do we sync that from Debian? and should the locales stay a separate package? [20:21] asac: also, I think chris is taking a couple days off [20:21] heh [20:21] is 3.6 rollout finished? [20:22] asac: not yet, jaunty/karmic waiting for openjdk TCK test [20:22] micahg: i have no strong opinion on whether we should take debian enigmail or not [20:22] they took my enigmail and improved that, so it shoyuld be fine [20:22] we cant sync though ... we need to change build depends [20:22] as they have icedove-dev [20:22] asac: k, so as long as they're using the same packaging, we can pull from tehm? [20:22] asac: right [20:22] or we introduce a icedove-dev package that pulls in thunderbird-dev [20:23] but we probablz would have to add some magic to the build system somwhere [20:23] asac: I can make thunderbird-dev provide icedove-dev [20:23] maybe try if just building the package would work [20:23] micahg: i am not sure thats enough [20:23] you could try in ppa [20:23] asac: that's what we were going to do for firefox/iceweasel so we can sync more [20:23] or pbuilder ... but the behaviour might be different there [20:24] sure ... makes sense [20:24] asac: BTW, I can upload our packageset now :) [20:24] micahg: ++ rock on! [21:04] asac, micahg: i don't see why 4.0/linux should be different from our 3.7... did a mega patch land or something? [21:16] hi asac, how are you? [21:16] (sorry, i took a swap day today) ;) === fta_ is now known as fta [21:29] fta: it's not, I haven't had time to do the merge, if you have time, feel free :) [22:31] sup chrisccoulson [22:32] hi LLStarks [22:32] please tell me that i'm wrong: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9562437&postcount=15 [22:33] asac - what are your thoughts about uploading the FF security beta's to maverick for testing (ie, 3.6.7build1)? [22:33] LLStarks, well, we won't rush to upgrade every release to 4.0 when it comes out (unless 3.6 is rapidly approaching EOL) [22:34] but i can't predict that far in the future ;) [22:34] 3.6 EOL is Fall 2011 IIRC [22:34] LLStarks: the stable PPA will have it :) [22:34] LLStarks: should be more like Spring 2011 [22:34] 3.5 just EOL'd didn't it? [22:34] LLStarks, not yet [22:34] LLStarks: no [22:35] i'm still confused, so 4.0 proper won't ever be in -security, but more likely that 4.0.1 or 4.1 will? [22:36] LLStarks: right, 4.1 will probably be [22:36] LLStarks: I shouldn't say that [22:36] LLStarks, it all depends on timing that we can't predict yet [22:37] i see. [22:37] LLStarks: our hope is 3.6.x will last until hardy/karmic are EOL, then Lucid would get whatever is the current stable release [22:37] after the 3.6 EOL [22:37] yeah, hopefully. we don't want to go through this pain again for hardy and karmic ;) [22:37] i've been scouring the mozilla wiki for EOL schedules. [22:37] that would be unfortunate [22:37] no luck. [22:38] LLStarks: no, 3.6 should go EOL 6 months after 4.0 release [22:38] 3.6 series or 3.6.0? [22:39] 3.6.x or more correctly 1.9.2.x [22:39] gotcha. [22:39] LLStarks: like I said, we'll have the PPA for the people that can't wait for the update :) [22:39] k [22:39] is 2.0 just a relabeled 1.9.3.x or a separate branch? [22:40] LLStarks: renamed 1.9.3 [22:40] but not mozilla 2, right? [22:40] LLStarks: the changes were too great to keep it in 1.9.x [22:40] LLStarks: yes, Gecko 2 [22:41] ok [22:42] heh, i disappear for a single day and we get a new bug status ;) [22:42] ? [22:42] chrisccoulson: that came on Wed w/the rollout [22:45] micahg - oh, i never noticed that then ;) [22:45] chrisccoulson_: there was a discussion on the bugsquad list as well as u-d-d [22:46] micahg - yeah, i just noticed your mail [22:46] i tend not to read anything on u-d-d though ;) [22:46] chrisccoulson_: I'll have to remember that ;) [22:47] chrisccoulson_: I want to reply to that Ubuntu AppUpdate post explaining that Firefox cannot be offered in it because of branding issues [22:48] and that we already provide stable updates [22:50] micahg - yeah, feel free. i just had a read of that too === fta_ is now known as fta [22:51] right, i'm going to watch a little bit of TV now :) [22:51] chrisccoulson_: k, enjoy :) [22:51] bug 333799 [22:51] Launchpad bug 333799 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Firefox uses en-GB by default instead of en-US (affects: 4) (dups: 2) (heat: 42)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/333799 [22:52] it's now using gb, us, au, and ca [22:52] LLStarks: using them all at the same time? [22:52] i'm not sure [22:52] micahg: I am surprised no one had set up an AppUpdate-like thing with PPAs already [22:53] they all appear in the language tab [22:53] micahg: and just snag useful bits from other ppa's on lp [22:53] and i am getting british spelling suggestions [22:53] jcastro: I was planning on making a tool, but I don't think I'll have time this cycle [22:53] canada and australia are both commonwealth countries [22:53] so i'm not sure [22:54] LLStarks: yeah, you can just change your dictionary to en-US and it shoudl remember it [22:54] it's en-gb upon installation [22:55] and i'm american [22:55] i selected america when i installed [22:56] i'm about to do reinstall of ubuntu today for unrelated reasons, so i'll see if the bug persists. [22:57] all of the langpacks are in /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.6/extensions [22:57] and aren't easily removable [22:58] LLStarks: right, that's why it's a triaged bug :) [22:58] okay [22:58] LLStarks: upstream doesn't have an en-US langpack which is part of the issue [22:58] i was just referencing it and describing new behavior associated [23:02] LLStarks: I know, I found it annoying too [23:02] Damn spellchecker. It's "realize", not "realise". [23:02] LLStarks: depends on the locale ;) [23:03] i know [23:03] that's why i'm lamenting === fta_ is now known as fta