[00:23] <sambaXdwol> hello _Techie_
[00:23] <sambaXdwol> hello every body
[00:36] <sambaXdwol> hello
[00:36] <sambaXdwol> hello
[00:36] <Raggs> hi sambaXdwol
[00:37] <sambaXdwol> hi Raggs, how you doing?
[00:37] <Raggs> a little warm, you?
[00:37] <sambaXdwol> fine
[00:38] <sambaXdwol> Do you use gnu/linux, specially xubuntu?
[00:38] <Raggs> sambaXdwol, i use ubuntu with xfce installed
[00:41] <sambaXdwol> great
[00:47] <sambaXdwol> can you say me what happen when my computer say that it can't mount the filesystem
[00:48] <sambaXdwol> how can i resolve that fail
[00:49] <Raggs> sambaXdwol, when does it say that?
[00:50] <sambaXdwol> when it's booting
[00:50] <sambaXdwol> i can accessing to the terminal as root
[00:50] <sambaXdwol> but my X server doesn't work
[00:51] <Raggs> sambaXdwol, i am not sure what is wrong, i am sure in time someone here will be able to help. is it a new install?
[00:54] <sambaXdwol> i've already re-install my Xubuntu, what i need now it is understand what happened for preventing me loose my files and documents another time
[00:54] <sambaXdwol> hello simplicity~
[01:00] <sambaXdwol> hello Techie
[01:09] <SineDeviance> hey guys... how can i add a launcher to the xfce menu?
[01:09] <SineDeviance> er, the applications menu, sorry
[01:27] <sambaXdwol> hello every body
[01:27] <sambaXdwol> i was in trouble with my electrical connection
[01:31] <mattiscool> lots of people i see
[01:31] <mattiscool> hi =D
[01:44] <mattiscool> xubuntu rocks.
[01:45] <sambaXdwol> do somebody here is a linux technician?
[03:28] <MindVirus> Is 256MB enough to run Xubuntu?
[03:28] <MindVirus> (memory)
[04:23] <highvoltage> yep
[05:25] <bigredradio> Is there a way to change the load order of the applets?
[05:25] <bigredradio> The applets in the panel
[09:27] <Guest45681> i'm having trouble with streaming. can someone please try this: http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/national/ckpt/2010/07/08/moko_the_dolphin_mourned
[09:27] <Guest45681> if it streams for you, then what the heck app are you using, and with what plugins? this is the only thing that doesn't work for me
[10:11] <nikolam> anyone know how to add document (Oo.org) templates to thunar? (so that one can make new documents and edit them instead of starting OO.org and then navigaving back to that dir) ?
[10:16] <slow-motion> hi
[10:17] <bazhang> hi slow-motion
[10:17] <slow-motion> hi bazhang
[10:39] <CuriosTiger> Howdy all. So, the keyboard preference panel in xfce lets me select a Norwegian layout, but to do so, I have to unselect "Use system default" and the change is not persistent across reboots. How do I permanently change my keyboard layout?
[12:36] <Sysi> woah, i made netboot-xubuntu install usb-stick with unetbootin
[13:33] <slow-motion> bbl
[14:33] <steuz> ehy guys
[14:33] <steuz> does someone knows how to swith alt and ctrl in xubuntu 10.04?
[14:34] <lozon> Xubuntu is being weird - I installed an update about a month ago and now when it boots up, the panels don't show up but the terminal and xchat start. I looked at the startup settings, and nothing has changed. It's like its always remember some old session.
[14:34] <steuz> lozon, happens also to me
[14:34] <steuz> strange
[14:34] <knome> lozon, alt+f2, run "xfce4-panel" without quotes. then, close all apps you don't want to open on boot
[14:35] <knome> lozon, then logout, and when logging out make sure the "save session" checkbox is checked
[14:35] <knome> lozon, login again, and on the next logout, uncheck the "save session" checkbox so you are always getting a "clean" session
[14:35] <lozon> Okay, I understand what happened. I just don't understand sessiosn properly.
[14:35] <steuz> knome, don't you know how to swap alt and ctrl?
[14:36] <lozon> Thanks Knome! Will try right now
[14:36] <steuz> knome, anyway, when i launch xfce4-panel it tells me is already started
[14:36] <knome> steuz, i don't know if you can swap them completely. is there something specific you want to change?
[14:36] <steuz> i would like to use alt instead of ctrl and viceversa
[14:37] <knome> steuz, completely, everywhere, or specifically somewhere?
[14:37] <steuz> completely
[14:37] <steuz> i'm used to mac keyboard
[14:38] <Sysi> xmodmap is some kind of solution
[14:39] <knome> there's also xkeycaps
[14:40] <steuz> are this programs?
[14:41] <knome> xmodmap is a command line interface, xkeycaps is a GUI to create xmodmap stuff
[14:42] <Sysi> xmodmap -pke > .Xmodmap ;and then edit that file
[14:43] <steuz> knome, the gui is fucked up :D
[14:44] <knome> !language | steuz
[14:44] <steuz> it was made by the ass
[14:44] <steuz> sorry knome
[14:44] <knome> steuz, stop swearing please
[14:45] <steuz> knome, i'm working on a eeepc, i think this sw is not good for it, it can f*** up special keys
[14:45] <knome> steuz, please, even ***'ing is not appropriate
[14:45] <steuz> ah ok :)
[14:45] <knome> steuz, you probably have to edit with xmodmap directly
[14:46] <knome> steuz, it shouldn't be TOO hard if you're somewhat used to terminal
[14:46] <knome> brb
[14:46] <steuz> i'll look for a guide on the net
[14:46] <Sysi> i think it's easiest to edit that file
[14:47] <steuz> Sysi, i have to replace wich file?
[14:47] <steuz> .Xmodmap? and place were?
[14:48] <steuz> where
[14:49] <Sysi> home directory
[14:49] <Sysi> it's hidden file
[14:49] <Sysi> xmodmap -pke > .Xmodmap
[14:49] <Sysi> that creates it on current settings
[14:50] <steuz> so I just need to edit .Xmodmap?
[14:50] <Sysi> and set xfce to use that
[14:51] <steuz> how can i set?
[14:53] <Sysi> i think removing "use system defaults"tap  is enough
[14:54] <steuz> sorry Sysi, where i have to remove that?
[14:56] <Sysi> keyboard settings
[15:39] <MindVirus> Hello. My notifications are on the bottom right and ugly instead of transparent and top right.
[15:41] <MindVirus> Any suggestions?
[15:46] <onaogh> how can i uninstall AbiWords & Gnumeric spread sheet, and does it affect my system if i remove them ?
[15:50] <Sysi> that should be rather easy to do with software center
[16:09] <Araneidae> Where are the menus stored on Ubuntu?  I want to find out which program System->Administration->'Startup Disk Creator' runs and I'm not running a suitable desktop!
[16:11] <Sysi> usb-creator-gtk
[16:12] <Araneidae> Yes, just found that by poking around in synaptic
[16:12] <Araneidae> Still, it would be nice to be able to dig through the menus themselves...
[16:13] <Sysi> ubuntu or xubuntu menu?
[16:14] <Araneidae> Well, the reference was on the ubuntu.com front page, so it'll be the gnome menu.  I've just been pointed to alacarte which is the gnome menu editor
[16:14] <Sysi> we don't know about Ubuntu at #xubuntu
[16:15] <Araneidae> Aren't the menus a shared resource?
[16:15] <knome> Araneidae, partly yes, but not completely.
[16:15] <Araneidae> Ah, it seems that way.  Seems to be a bit of a mess on the whole
[16:15] <knome> true
[16:17] <Araneidae> Oh crap.  usb-creator-gtk just says "Installation failed."  Very helpful of it
[16:17] <Araneidae> Maybe it needs to be run as root...
[16:21] <Araneidae> Nope.  Does xubuntu have an equivalent tool?
[16:21] <knome> usb-creator is for all ubuntus
[16:21] <knome> what are you actually trying to do?
[16:21] <Sysi> but iirc there's also kde-version
[16:22] <knome> Sysi, don't think that has different code than the gui
[16:22] <Sysi> yeah
[16:22] <Araneidae> I'm just doing this: 1. $ usb-creator-gtk; 2 click on "Make Startup Disk"
[16:22] <Araneidae> The message is less than illuminating, and nothing comes out on the terminal I launched it from
[16:25] <knome> did you select an iso?
[16:25] <knome> and disk to use?
[16:26] <Araneidae> Yes, in fact it came up with the right ones by default
[16:27] <knome> have you looked at ~/.usb-creator.log
[16:28] <Araneidae> I hadn't, but all it has is the boilerplate "DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters" message
[16:28] <knome> have you asked #ubuntu, as this isn't xubuntu-specific?
[16:29] <Araneidae> Yes, I'm there as well, but didn't any response, so...
[16:29] <Araneidae> Going to try doing it the Debian way instead: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en
[16:29] <Sysi> are you using ubuntu .iso?
[16:30] <Araneidae> Yes, I'll just check the md5
[16:30] <knome> (has to be a *desktop* iso btw)
[16:30] <Sysi> you could try unetbootin
[16:30] <Araneidae> d044a2a0c8103fc3e5b7e18b0f7de1c8 ... now to see if Ubuntu publish md5s
[16:30] <Sysi> alternate disks *sometimes* work
[16:31] <knome> Sysi, so does win
[16:31] <Araneidae> Hmm, ok, I'll try unetbootin, then the Debbie way
[16:33] <Araneidae> Oh: it extracts all the files?!  I was expecting the iso to be installed as is
[16:34] <Araneidae> Well, unetbootin has *looooong* pauses, but it seems to have done the trick!
[17:43] <slow-motion> re
[17:44] <bazhang> ?
[17:54] <rsyring> crap...how do I unfullscreen a window?  I hit some key combination and now everything but the window itself is gone.
[17:54] <rsyring> no window bar either
[17:54] <ridin> try f11
[17:54] <ridin> i don't know '-'
[17:55] <rsyring> thanks but that didn't work
[17:55] <Sysi> alt f11
[17:55] <rsyring> Sysi: thats it, thanks!
[17:55] <ridin> pff, right when i came back i was going to say it :<
[18:02] <pteague> ok, this is weird...  my local audio is dead & i can't figure out how to restart it... however, everything coming in via the line-in is working just fine
[20:43] <edakiri> Some apps are not in the XFCE menu.  Must I install something to see the Debian entries for example?  Also, Is there a handy search tool to find things in the menu?
[20:44] <edakiri> Or an alternative menu implementation?
[20:44] <likemindead> Something you installed didn't automatically show up?
[20:44] <likemindead> Hmm... I don't think I've had that happen in Lucid.
[20:44] <edakiri> Yes.
[20:44] <edakiri> I'm running lucid
[20:46] <edakiri> I installed XFCE after a base install, and do not have everything in the XFCE task, so I may have different packages
[20:47] <likemindead> I've installed quite a few programs, some from the repos, some from .deb files, and some from PPAs, and all show up in the menu.
[20:48] <edakiri> 'nitrogen' is missing
[20:48] <likemindead> How'd you install the program?
[20:52] <edakiri> likemindead: aptitude
[20:58] <likemindead> There's surely a file you can edit... somewhere...
[20:58] <likemindead> I just don't know what file!
[21:07] <magic_ninja420> yo yo
[21:09] <likemindead> Ahoy.
[21:39] <slow-motion> n8
[22:33] <SineDeviance> hi all
[22:33] <SineDeviance> can anyone explain to me why xubuntu 10.04 is using 400 megs at idle? i see nothing 'odd' in htop, but it's certainly reporting 400meg being used.
[22:33] <SineDeviance> uh, of ram, that is.
[22:34] <SineDeviance> right after i installed this system it was using ~200 megs of ram at idle. i updated all the packages. now it uses ~400 with no explanation.
[22:34] <SineDeviance> it is certainly USING it too, if i even open firefox, it starts cutting into swap
[22:39] <MindVirus> Anyone here?
[22:40] <Sysi> try
[22:40] <MindVirus> My Xubuntu installation on my other computer is stupid slow.
[22:41] <MindVirus> 2.4GHz processor with 256MB RAM.
[22:41] <MindVirus> Any advice?
[22:42] <Sysi> get more ram :)
[22:43] <MindVirus> It's a laptop.
[22:43] <knome> get a new laptop.
[22:43] <MindVirus> That is a really stupid suggestion.
[22:44] <Sysi> not that stupid, but bad
[22:44] <MindVirus> I mean, what do you think I'm going to do?
[22:44] <MindVirus> Get a new laptop?
[22:44] <Sysi> for a start see settings → sessions&startup
[22:44] <Sysi> take off autostarted apps youu don't need
[22:44] <David-A> MindVirus: do you use firefox for browsing? that will normally use a lot of ram in my experience. other than that 256MB should work fine
[22:45] <knome> MindVirus, many times you can also increase the ram in laptops. but seriously, 256 is REALLY little ram noting that the os is from 2010ish
[22:45] <MindVirus> David-A: Firefox uses the least RAM out of all mainstream browsers, no?
[22:45] <MindVirus> knome: So let's put the OS back into 2002.
[22:45] <knome> MindVirus, you are free to install windows 95.
[22:45] <MindVirus> knome: That's not free or open-source, so no I'm not.
[22:46] <Sysi> with that kinda machine you can't get *fast*
[22:46] <knome> MindVirus, the latest xubuntu is not designed for ancient pc's, even if it's targeted for low-ram systems
[22:46] <MindVirus> knome: Thanks for all your help. I appreciate it. You needn't bother further.
[22:46] <MindVirus> Sysi: Yeah, I know.
[22:46] <MindVirus> However XP responds relatively quickly.
[22:46] <knome> MindVirus, there *are* alternatives to xubuntu though, which don't quite meet in the feature list
[22:47] <Sysi> with AV?
[22:47] <David-A> MindVirus: i tested ram usage for a few browsers a while ago. i'll search my notes, wait...
[22:47] <MindVirus> Sysi: Negatory.
[22:47] <MindVirus> David-A: I need something that an average Joe can use.
[22:47] <Sysi> open applications from panel? get lubuntu
[22:49] <MindVirus> Sysi: Lubuntu?
[22:49] <MindVirus> I assume that's not official.
[22:49] <Sysi> !lubuntu
[22:50] <MindVirus> It's pulling in xchat as a dependency and I don't like that.
[22:50] <knome> !minimal | MindVirus
[22:50] <MindVirus> As well as xscreensaver, abiword, and chromium-browser.
[22:50] <David-A> MindVirus: first, can you see if it is firefox that is the culprit when your laptop is slow?
[22:50] <MindVirus> David-A: Gimme a minute.
[22:52] <MindVirus> One thing I love about Xubuntu: the support channel isn't flooding constantly.
[22:53] <MindVirus> David-A: Right now I'm swapping 62MB and have 41MB of memory free.
[22:53] <MindVirus> (Total 244MB.)
[22:54] <MindVirus> Whoever packaged lubuntu sucks.l
[22:54] <MindVirus> *sucks.
[22:54] <Sysi> why, there are very reasonable packages
[22:54] <Sysi> compared to xubuntu in some cases
[22:54] <MindVirus> Sysi: lubuntu depends on transmission-cli.
[22:55] <Sysi> and?
[22:55] <MindVirus> Tell me why the operating system won't function without a command-line torrent client.
[22:55] <Sysi> that won't affect using it
[22:55] <MindVirus> Even with --no-install-recommends.
[22:55] <MindVirus> Sysi: I don't want bullshit on the computer.
[22:55] <knome> !language | MindVirus
[22:55] <knome> MindVirus, you are free to use the !minimal cd or some other OS
[22:56] <David-A> MindVirus: sorry i dont find my notes. have you tried the epiphany browser?
[22:56] <Sysi> arch is very light
[22:56] <MindVirus> David-A: Yes, it's decent.
[22:56] <MindVirus> Sysi: I might use Arch.
[22:56] <MindVirus> I've used it before; pacman's almost as good as portage.
[22:56] <MindVirus> I just don't know what desktop environment to use.
[22:57] <MindVirus> I guess LXDE or XFCE because they both use GTK+ and are lighter.
[22:57] <MindVirus> Only thing is that arch doesn't have the support of Ubuntu.
[22:57] <Sysi> they have good wiki
[22:58] <MindVirus> That's not what I meant by support.
[22:58] <MindVirus> They don't have the amount of packages nor the freshness.
[22:59] <knome> MindVirus, Sysi: please reming that this is a Xubuntu support channel, not ##linux
[22:59] <knome> *remind
[22:59] <MindVirus> *remember
[22:59] <knome> yes.
[22:59] <MindVirus> Alright, I guess Xubuntu isn't for me.
[23:03] <pteague> any particular reason totem was chosen as the video player over any of the others?
[23:04] <Sysi> it's gnome's, so propably that way
[23:05] <knome> pteague, that was discussed, and iirc parole was the best competitor, but it was too alpha/beta
[23:07] <pteague> don't think i've ever seen parole & doesn't look like it's in the repository <heads to google>
[23:08] <pteague> geeze... parole has to be the worste name for a video player... you know how many google hits there are for "parole video" ? ;)
[23:09] <knome> pteague, http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/parole
[23:11] <pteague> any suggestions for web browsers beyond firefox & opera? i noticed kazehakase isn't in the repository for lucid :(
[23:14] <David-A> epiphany, for firefox compatibility, but not quite the same, or dillo for very fast startup but no js, no css, no nothing, but it has tabs.
[23:18] <pteague> epiphany, that's what i was looking for... not heard of dillo, but sounds good... doesn't seem to be in lucid repos so guess i'll need to figure out fltk2
[23:27] <SineDeviance> anybody have any ideas about my problem?
[23:29] <David-A> SineDeviance: I have no idea, unless you tell us what the problem is :)
[23:30] <SineDeviance> let me repeat it because it's a little back in the chat buffer. i just installed xubuntu 10.04 yesterday. after installing the system, installing nvidia drivers, and booting the newest kernel, it was using ~200 meg of ram at idle with just xchat running. today, it's unexplainably using ~400 meg of ram at idle with just xchat running.
[23:30] <SineDeviance> i only have 512 meg of ram so this is a problem. any time i run firefox or exaile or pretty much anything it starts eating into swap and system performance suffers.
[23:32] <David-A> SineDeviance: if you check ram with "top" it report cache as used ram, which is unfair. chech with the "free" command (the +-buffer line). what does it say?
[23:33] <SineDeviance> David-A, -/+ buffers/cache:     380320     127712
[23:33] <SineDeviance> so it's right.
[23:33] <SineDeviance> 373 meg or so, still too much for the system to be using methinks.
[23:34] <SineDeviance> especially when it was using roughly half that doing the same stuff yesterday
[23:34] <SineDeviance> it's odd
[23:34] <David-A> SineDeviance: I have -/+ buffers/cache:     378064     131380
[23:35] <David-A> SineDeviance: but i have a lot of browser tabs, an emacs and a lot of other program open.
[23:35] <SineDeviance> David-A, exactly. i have nothing open except xchat and a terminal running htop
[23:35] <pteague> ok, i'm having some problems with audio & i just rebooted... amarok just said that the device phonon uses isn't working...  any ideas?
[23:35] <SineDeviance> conky is running as well
[23:36] <SineDeviance> i killed conky but it only brought the usage down by a couple megs
[23:36] <pteague> audio was working yesterday, wasn't working today... so decided to reboot... did an aptitude safe-upgrade before reboot though
[23:37] <David-A> SineDeviance: yes, conky is probably light. firefox usually use the most ram and cpu on my system
[23:37] <SineDeviance> yeah
[23:37] <SineDeviance> but thats not even running
[23:37] <knome> pteague, probably something with pulseaudio - you might try reinstalling, if it's installed
[23:38] <SineDeviance> i thought maybe it was a fluke so i tried rebooting a few times, but the same problem occurs
[23:38] <pteague> yep, it's installed... wondering about just getting rid of pulseaudio
[23:38] <pteague> earlier i was at least getting audio from my line-in... after reboot i'm not even getting that
[23:38] <knome> pteague, you need to do "sudo apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio"
[23:39] <knome> pteague, my line in is not working in lucid either.
[23:39] <knome> pteague, never worked in lucid.
[23:39] <David-A> SineDeviance: oh, if you start "top" and press shift-O and "n" and Return, then it order programs after memory use
[23:39] <knome> David-A, SineDeviance: i prefer htop over top, it's a bit nicer :)
[23:40] <pteague> i'll try a reinstall first... after reinstall do i need to reboot or just kill pulse audio?
[23:40] <SineDeviance> David-A, i know, i can do that with htop. but it only shows mem percentages, not ACTUAL memory used by each program. and the numbers are NOT adding up.
[23:40] <knome> pteague, i don't think a reinstall makes really a difference
[23:40] <knome> pteague, if you are not installing a previous version or so
[23:40] <pteague> k
[23:41] <SineDeviance> one odd thing
[23:41] <SineDeviance> it shows every program twice in htop
[23:41] <pteague> guess i need to remove pulseaudio-esound-compat & pulseaudio-module-x11 as well
[23:41] <SineDeviance> but if i kill something, it closes both threads shown
[23:42] <pteague> brb
[23:42] <knome> SineDeviance, they are just pids. don't worry if something appears more than once
[23:42] <SineDeviance> knome, okay, thanks
[23:42] <SineDeviance> still, for my amount of used ram, the numbers dont add up
[23:43] <knome> SineDeviance, have you looked at system -> system monitor?
[23:44] <SineDeviance> knome, yes. i see pretty much the same.
[23:44] <David-A> SineDeviance: i guess the duplications in htop is threads within a process, knome: do threads have uniqe pids in linux?
[23:45] <knome> SineDeviance, what do you have running there then? :)
[23:45] <SineDeviance> knome, screenshot coming.
[23:45] <knome> David-A, yes, afaik a new thread always creates a new pid :)
[23:45] <SineDeviance> http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd275/darkusedius/Stuff/ramwtf.jpg
[23:45] <SineDeviance> there's a list of pretty much everything big i have running
[23:46] <SineDeviance> as you can see, it's pretty much just X, xchat, and the XFCE4 stuff.
[23:46] <knome> SineDeviance, xfce4-mixer seems to take somewhat much
[23:49] <SineDeviance> at this point im just killing stuff to see if anything changes
[23:49] <pteague> geeze, still no audio after removing pulseaudio :(
[23:52] <SineDeviance> hey guys
[23:52] <SineDeviance> i just killed X
[23:52] <SineDeviance> i'm in irssi now
[23:52] <SineDeviance> brb
[23:53] <SineDeviance> okay, something is seriously wrong here
[23:53] <knome> SineDeviance, ?
[23:54] <David-A> pteague: (just a longshot) sometimes on a system with pulseaudio i have to open a mixer, select another audio system, and check that a controls are not muted.
[23:54] <SineDeviance> all of the xfce stuff is closed now, and i do mean everything (gdm, X, so on) and i'm back to TTY, but this thing is still using 300 megs of ram
[23:54] <knome> David-A, he's gone :)
[23:54] <SineDeviance> brb, let me try killing some more processes
[23:56] <David-A> SineDeviance: does "free" say 300 megs??
[23:56] <David-A> gone too, oh well
[23:58] <SineDeviance> hey guys. lost it there for a sec, sorry
[23:58] <pteague> still no audio... how do i play an audio file from a terminal?
[23:58] <SineDeviance> free says i am still using 300 megs of ram
[23:58] <SineDeviance> 200 free
[23:59] <SineDeviance> same as htop says
[23:59] <SineDeviance> how is this possible!?
[23:59] <SineDeviance> there is no GUI running whatsoever