[01:17] Riddell: I think I will have project neon qt tomorrow [01:17] I just need to work out dependencies [02:16] debfx: basically, my problem is that when the qaptworker is spawned by dbus as root, locale is set to C [02:17] when we want it to be the system locale [02:21] JontheEchidna: is there a way to don't allowed an upload with ~ppa or ~lucid~ppa to the archive? do you have something in your dput to do that? :) [02:21] hmm [02:21] nope [02:21] well, I don't have a way [02:22] oh ok [02:22] I usually have to do more work to tab-complete out a ~ppa [02:30] yay, tray context menus have their decorations for the application names back \o/ [02:33] :) [02:48] ScottK: FYI right click on quassel doesn't work anymore with the recent updates [03:10] lex79: set your default dput to null so you dont accidentally dput to archive [03:12] maco: thanks :) === emma_ is now known as emma [04:25] lex79: you are awesome [04:26] is there any chance of KDE 4.4.5 making it into -updates, or only -backports? [04:27] hi vorian :) [04:27] hika [04:27] congrats on kubuntu-dev [04:28] vorian: thanks :-* [04:29] vorian: if you want to do something, there is kdebindings for you. Your old love :) [04:30] yay! [04:30] but i'm having trouble with my pbuilder :( [04:31] oh :( [04:32] yeah, two days, and I'll be all set [04:32] i still have my chroots, I just have to adjust my pbuild [04:32] unless you want to remind me pbuild [04:33] pbuild X -S -sa [04:33] or something> === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [07:45] ehm [07:45] kde rev 1122054 [07:45] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1122054&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1122054 | Work around a QtDbus compiler bug. It wants the annotation for an out value to be .In1 instead of .Out1 :S [07:45] * apachelogger does not think that this sounds right [08:16] oh === hrw|gone is now known as hrw [08:22] you know I was on gnome yesterday, and I noticed one thing that could be nice for us to pick up. when requiring a restart, the power "button" on the panel actually changes color. and when you hit the button, it has "restart required" asx one of the items. [08:23] perhaps something along these lines ais a good option? [09:04] hmmmmm [09:04] well [09:04] jussi: if we had a button on the panel :P [09:04] could be considered for plasma-netbook I suppose [09:05] apachelogger: true... I keep forgetting I add that [09:05] OTOH ... why would I restart where I usually would shutdown? [09:05] apachelogger: its a power button, so you do things lyke turn off power, cycle the power etc ;) [09:06] I mean, there is certainly a point to having the restart button jump into your face, but "replacing" a shutdown with a restart just because it might be good to restart is bogus [09:06] I don't like this. Totally makes no sense. [09:06] what apachelogger [09:06] said [09:07] it sort of enforces that you need to restart where you would usually do a shutdown, possibly suggesting that restart is ultimately necessary and one should not just shutdown [09:07] it is a bit of a paradigm break :) [09:07] It's like you go on holidays, hit the power button and two weeks later you find out that your computer was sitting on login screen all the time [09:08] * apachelogger is wondering why one cannot debug libqapt properly -.- [09:08] OH MY SORRY, WE RESTARTED UR COMPUTER CUZ U HAD SOME FIXES [09:08] Quintasan: yeah ^^ [09:08] hmm [09:08] Yesterday I got Broken pipe when building Qt [09:09] grr [09:09] I should have started compiling it in screen session [09:10] aha! [09:10] it would seem that someone broke my qt creator!!! :O [09:10] omg [09:11] apachelogger: sually, it is your fault [09:11] Usually* [09:11] unlikely [09:11] see [09:11] they introduced python [09:11] so [09:11] ... [09:11] WUT [09:11] PYTHONZ IN MAH QTCREATORZ? [09:11] This is preposterous! [09:11] qt creator 2.0 does python scirpt0ring to gdb7 AFAIK [09:12] to support inspection for complex types [09:12] I assume they were too lazy to implement it in c++ [09:12] I think that is coming from gdb [09:13] gdb -> gnu -> brrrrr [09:13] :P [09:13] how the hell gnu has to do something with qtcreator using python? [09:13] because it is used for gdb [09:13] and now breakpoints seem VERY broken [09:14] or maybe some setting is incompatible :S [09:14] * apachelogger starts crying over broken qt creator [09:14] horrible [09:14] I set a bp in main and that thing just ignores it [09:15] That's python for you. [09:15] Works always, but not as expected [09:16] yay [09:16] I can set main as function bp [09:17] then I can debug in assembly ^^ [09:17] 0x080517d8 <+32>: call 0x80520ae <_ZN10QAptWorkerC1ERiPPc> [09:17] hm [09:18] for some reason even in asm it avoids going through stuff step by step :/ [09:19] okay [09:19] I'm going to play DnD [09:19] Qt is building and I should upload it to Project Neon PPA soon [09:19] * apachelogger should play metal gear solid -.- [09:20] that is way too depressing [09:20] and I wanted to polish the ubuntuone-auth code today -.- [09:20] hm [09:21] OTOH, maybe my Q_GLOBAL_STATIC is at fault [09:21] though that does not explain why gdb walks past breakpoints [10:05] oh my [10:05] * apachelogger cannot put up with jontheechidna's license headers [10:05] makes you wheep when you need to change stuff [10:08] [libqapt] sitter * 1147838 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/ (CMakeLists.txt debug.cpp debug.h) voila aptDebug(), logs to /var/log/qaptworker.log, no rotation no size limit (TODO) [10:10] [libqapt] sitter * 1147839 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (workerdbus.cpp workerdbus.h) Do not add files that are built by CMakeLists anyway. [10:12] [libqapt] sitter * 1147840 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/ (org.kubuntu.qaptworker.xml worker.cpp worker.h) Introduce Worker::setLocale(QString) to set the worker's locale using setlocale(). [10:13] [libqapt] sitter * 1147841 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Set worker's locale from the backend (assumption is that the backend is used in the user's executable and the user's executable has a sensible locale, otherwise worker is C). [10:14] [libqapt] sitter * 1147842 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp Get really all indexes -> this makes localization of package descriptions etc. work :) [10:16] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100709091616-brwukj19ew75uam1 * src/auth/AuthApplication.cpp cleanup [10:16] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100709091621-f3yj0ia7ipwxd814 * src/statusnotifier/StatusNotifier.cpp typo-- [10:24] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100709092400-pgnkawkwl1cqbudp * src/auth/ (AuthHandler.cpp AuthHandler.h) formatting++ memleaks-- const&++ [10:27] hm [10:40] (s→((k→(¬h→(g V e) V p))) V (g→(¬h→e) V p)) ↓ ((g→(¬h→e) V h) V e)→e [10:40] \o/ [10:40] something along those lines anyway [10:41] and that is supposed to make authing working :S [11:06] Riddell: ping? [11:12] why do I have to ssh-add my key on restart every time? Why doesn't the agent keep that information and how can I make this to work? [11:12] Mamarok: supposedly the agent will only use standard named keys [11:12] just a random guess though [11:13] apachelogger: well, I don't think I sue a non-standard named key, it's the same since years [11:13] apachelogger: Do you know if the lokalize package is broken in 9.10 ? [11:13] use* [11:13] I don't seem to have any plugins in my ui [11:13] steveire_: dude, can you upgrade already :P [11:13] nothing reported though [11:13] maybe a dep is missing [11:13] Recommends: krosspython, python-kde4, gettext, translate-toolkit (>= 1.3.0), python-lxml, python-dbus [11:14] steveire_: check that those foos are installed, if they are then I have no idea :/ [11:17] apachelogger: I had to install libkrosspython0, but it still doesn't work. [11:17] :/ [11:18] QA fail [11:18] I also tried to install libhunspell-dev and install from trunk, but cmake doesn't find hunspell. [11:18] That might be a cmake issue. [11:18] lokalize starts, but the ui is almost empty. There is no "Go to next translated message" etc [11:18] kbuildsycoca4? [11:18] Quintasan: python ^ :P [11:19] Ran kbuildsycoca4. No change [11:20] steveire_: any debug output (possibly with kdebugdialog -> everything on) [11:22] mehhhhhhhh include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk [11:22] ubuntuone-- [11:22] http://dpaste.com/216284/ [11:23] Doesn't seem to be relevant. [11:27] * apachelogger loves how krunner is 300% more useless in beta2 -.- [11:29] steveire_: packaging does not look much different from what I have on 10.04 [11:30] and lokalize had useful menus and toolbars? I'll post a screenshot of what I have [11:31] http://imagebin.ca/view/cHhLDt2.html [11:32] http://yfrog.com/izlokalizep [11:32] There is no go menu. Toolbar actions are missing etc [11:36] apachelogger: beta2? [11:37] of course kde does not work from inside a chroot without first breaking your neck [11:39] kurrr [11:40] http://wklej.org/id/362304/ [11:41] apachelogger: how does one fix that crap? [11:43] hmmm [11:43] steveire_: are you sure that stuff is avilable in 4.3.2? [11:43] Quintasan: by not using lrelease-qt4 in the rules file [11:44] Kross: "Action::setInterpreter: interpreter not found: python" [11:44] oh [11:44] odd [11:45] steveire_: I do not have those entries in a clean chroot with just lokalize installed [11:46] well, in 9.10 anyways ^^ [11:52] ehm [11:52] hm [11:52] steveire_: ping [11:52] hmm, no, pong [11:55] steveire_: with libkrosspython0 installed the interpreter warning disappears and the create new project entry starts working [11:56] Riddell: Read up :). [11:57] wooosh [11:57] steveire_: problem seems to be that /usr/share/kde4/apps/lokalize/projectmanagerui.rc does not contain the go menu entry at all [11:58] apachelogger: Problem seems to be solved [11:59] I use a separate kde-devel user. That one has the issue, but my regular user does not get a useful app [11:59] The question of why the other user doesn't have useful ui remains a mystery. [12:00] path problem most likely [12:00] I don't have a trunk install of lokalize. [12:00] looking at wrong ui rc or some stuff [12:00] I guess that must be it. [12:00] CMake doesn't find my install of hunspell, so I can't try trunk lokalize [12:00] I'm not sure how to solve that because I have libhunspell-dev installed. [12:01] Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/stable-1-2-lucid+kwallet/annotate/head:/debian/patches/01syncd-kwallet.patch [12:02] supposedly I could do the same for desktopcouch [12:02] steveire_: well, you probably can define the lib path manually [12:02] lib&include [12:02] Possibly. Got to catch a train soon, so I'll have to try that another time. [12:03] -DHUNSPELL_FOUND=true -DHUNSPELL_INCLUDE_DIR=/foo/bar -DHUNSPELL_LIBRARIES=/foo/lib/libhunspell.1.0.0 [12:03] something like that [12:04] Cool, cheers. [12:11] apachelogger: yay [12:11] apachelogger: but shouldn't the try: be above import gnomekeyring? [12:11] Riddell: there are 2 imports [12:12] if kde full session is set [12:12] it will try to get a password from kwallet [12:12] if that raises NoAccessToken [12:12] it tries to import gnome-keyring (assuming that the user does not use ubuntuone-kde) [12:13] if that fails we are out of options and pass the previous NoAccessToken along [12:13] if the import succeeds it goes ahead and ends up with the try try: [12:13] items = gnomekeyring.find_items_sync( [12:14] if kde full session is not set it will go to the else and import gnome-keyring without regards to whether that throws an exception or not [12:19] bug 331192 hits again - can someone look? [12:19] Launchpad bug 331192 in kdeadmin (Ubuntu) "KDE printer configuration app stopped working on Lucid (TypeError in set_widget_value())" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331192 [12:20] [u1-client-lucid-kwallet] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100709112045-nofp6dsuwmns5wkx * debian/ (changelog patches/01syncd-kwallet.patch) KDE_FULL_SESSION must not only be set but true [12:23] hi, sorry for bothering, when can kde 4.5 rc2 packages be expected in the beta ppa? [12:24] soon [12:24] ok cool === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:38] apachelogger: I've run in to the same QtDBus bug [12:38] http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-7-2010/the-crumpets-take-manhattan [12:38] \o/ [12:39] oh [12:39] that was my commit :D [12:39] well, it definitely won't work as generated by qdbuscpp2xml [12:40] JontheEchidna: did you report that [12:41] because I am not sure it is right the way it is [12:41] the thing is [12:41] the direction of the properties is out [12:41] but the type name is InN [12:41] that does not seem right [12:41] also, it only fails for signals [12:41] methods work just fine [12:42] I hadn't reported it yet [12:42] maybe talk to a troll first ^^ [12:44] btw, thanks for the fix \o/ [12:52] BBIAB [12:52] erm, sorry for caps [12:52] stupid caps lock [13:34] apachelogger: would you be opposed to turning those compiler warnings in Debug.cpp to // TODO: comments? [13:34] JontheEchidna: if you wish to do that :P [13:34] ok, I will [13:34] there is a 100% chance of me not fixing it though :P [13:34] * apachelogger barely notices the TODO comments ^^ [13:36] I think libdbusmenu-qt needs less qDebug: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopzq1498-jpg.jpg [13:49] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1147956 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Silence a few qDebugs, also some style fixes [13:51] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1147958 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp (log message trimmed) [13:51] The current approach won't work, because the worker could very well time out [13:51] between the time the backend is constructed and the time the user checks for [13:56] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1147960 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Set locale in qapt-batch too (we aren't using the QApt::Backend) [13:58] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1147961 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/ (worker.cpp worker.h) Some style fixes [14:01] urgh [14:01] Qt takes a long time to build [14:09] Quintasan: get a faster machine :p [14:15] txwikinger: It's Riddell's machine [14:15] :) [14:34] it's showing its age that machine [14:35] if it builds Qt faster than in 2 hours, it's far from slow in my point of view [14:38] I doubt it does [14:39] yum, rekonq 0.5 is the goodness [14:40] oh, hum, crash [14:40] sigh [14:40] hi, when will be available kde 4.4.92 on lucid backport ppa ' [14:41] nuovodna: When it's ready. [14:42] Riddell: qt4-x11 on armel had an ICE, so don't expect any armel goodness anytime soon. [14:43] compiling is mostly I/O anyway [14:50] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1147982 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/ (worker.cpp worker.h) These lock functions are unused, since we are not a browsable package manager that wishes to not have its contents changed. Our various other functions lock the stuff they need to lock [15:00] JontheEchidna: I looked again and libktorrent went to New in Debian. [15:06] ScottK: fooey [15:07] nuovodna: 4.4.92 is a source only release, so upstream doesn't expect distros to make packages. We will do so of course but no time set yet [15:07] thanks Riddell [15:32] Riddell: The updates you uploaded yesterday helped with the menubar. I'm thinking maybe we ought to try it as default in netbook and see what feedback we get. [15:32] Riddell: I'm thinking put it on the left side (like in my blog post yesterday), turn off autohide for the default panel, and reduce the default panel height to 24 pixels. [15:33] Thoughts? [15:39] one day I am gonna go to kubuntu.org and see the new site [15:39] hopefully... one day before I die... [15:39] :) [15:41] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1148020 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp package.cpp package.h worker/worker.cpp) Theoretical support for package downgrading/general forced version overriding [15:42] now it just needs a gui... [15:42] bug 600481, hm... what happened to the point release permission for -updates? [15:42] Launchpad bug 600481 in meta-kde (Ubuntu) "Please update KDE to 4.4.5 on Kubuntu 10.04" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600481 [15:43] ScottK: yes I agree with all that, it needs javascript initialisation for plasma netbook to do added to kubuntu-netbook-default-settings, we also need to add back the lockout applet as part of that [15:43] yofel: waiting on KDE release policy changes, I believe [15:43] ah [15:51] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1148023 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (package.cpp package.h) Better API [15:54] ScottK: internet getting shut off here, can't be at release meeting today, if you want to say something for Kubuntu please do, I've not prepared anything [15:59] Riddell: Got it. [16:16] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1148038 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp Actually return something. :/ [16:17] Riddell: On the off chance you still have internet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus [16:18] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1148040 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp Also, formatting. === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [16:43] Kde4.5 RC2, is it compiled for Kubuntu Lucid? :) [16:44] shadeslayer: New rekonq doesn't work with Launchpad. There's an error after you save a new comment. [16:44] oxymoron: Not yet. Being worked on. [16:44] ScottK: Approx time to be released (No rush, just want to know) [16:44] *? [16:44] Not sure, as I'm not working on it myself. When it's ready. [16:45] I just want to know if its, days, weeks, months, years, minutes or hours weyre talking about :P It released yesterday so I guess it COULD be out today :P [16:46] oxymoron: probably couple of days [16:47] jussi: Alright :) (Not sure if you say so because I dont gonna be frustraed if not and happy if earlier) Anyway, sounds good :) Hopefully some more bugs fixed so my desktop get more useful :P [16:49] btw, whats the difference between kubuntu-ppa/ppa and kubuntu-ppa/beta repository ppas? [16:49] Mostly I dont understand whats inside the kubuntu-ppa/ppa :P Beta one is more logic ... [16:50] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100709155048-3fgaap0kbn40aern * src/ (30 files in 8 dirs) Formatting++ [17:01] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1148060 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp We have to use the candidate version to downgrade things [17:01] oxymoron: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs [17:06] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100709160537-zt3omm26mm82lvq5 * src/libs/ (SyncDaemonDBus.cpp SyncDaemonDBus.h CMakeLists.txt) Move SyncDaemonDBus adaptor to magic, erm, build time ;) [17:06] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100709160629-d24fk2frwzg2m1tf * src/statusnotifier/ (StatusNotifier.cpp StatusNotifier.h) My member shall be called m_member \o/ [17:22] redmine++ [17:24] oxymoron: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs [17:25] ScottK: not much i can do about it :P [17:26] shadeslayer: Talk to the LP people about it and figure out the exact problem, then talk to upstream. [17:26] Our default web browser needs to work on LP [17:26] ScottK: okies... [17:26] ScottK: will get to it in 30 mis [17:26] *mins [17:27] OK [17:28] oxymoron: I think one of those PPA's is useless but nonetheless.. [17:33] ScottK: btw whats the exact error? [17:33] oho.. new authentication stuff works.. password dialog comes on top [17:44] ScottK: btw who has the authority to set bugs to wishlist status? [17:52] ScottK: lp is silent as of now ;) [17:52] Riddell: did you turn off the machine or it moved again? [17:55] Quintasan: his internet got shut off by his ISP [17:55] oh my [17:55] JontheEchidna: whut?! [17:55] * Quintasan hopes it wasn't caused by pulling whole Qt tree 4 times [17:55] Riddell: sue your ISP :P [17:55] * Quintasan hides if that's the case [17:56] [10:54:59] ScottK: internet getting shut off here, can't be at release meeting today, if you want to say something for Kubuntu please do, I've not prepared anything [17:56] oh wow... [17:56] oh god, I'm getting a paid service [17:56] No point in abusing Riddell's internets [17:57] hehe [17:58] yay, package downgrading works \o/ [17:58] now I just need to make the GUI more permanent [17:59] JontheEchidna: now.. why would anyone want to do that... ? [17:59] its not even supported :P [17:59] shadeslayer: say you don't want the version of an app in lucid-backorts anymore. You could then downgrade and disable lucid-backports [18:00] synaptic does this, and now libqapt/muon can [18:00] JontheEchidna: uh... what about other packages that have to be downgraded and the user doensnt know about them? [18:00] like the new version has a new dep which got pulled in [18:00] that is why both synaptic and now muon come with a big fat warning that you can break things :P [18:00] oh goody... [18:01] * shadeslayer shuts up and goes to break some muons [18:01] It's a "use this if you know what you are doing" type tool [18:01] JontheEchidna: Just to make sure, it should mention things can "breaK" [18:01] hehe :D [18:01] and the K should be xbox hueg [18:02] lol [18:02] JontheEchidna: Besides, why Muon? [18:02] * shadeslayer hopes people wont troddle into #kubuntu about broken stuff after using muon [18:02] +asking [18:02] Because the latest KDE naming trend is to name your application after subatomic particles [18:02] Quintasan: its kool... thats why :P [18:02] or other particle physics terms [18:03] e.g. phonon, plasma [18:03] gluon [18:03] muon [18:03] etc [18:03] name it Quark [18:03] QuarK [18:03] :d [18:03] also.. muon looks good in the new ubuntu font :p [18:03] naming fad overl0ad [18:04] * shadeslayer does dirty stuff to apachelogger on #project-neon [18:04] JontheEchidna: why don't you add something like small trollface showing up accompanied by an error message when critial error occurs? [18:04] :3 [18:04] http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopon1498-jpg.jpg [18:04] * apachelogger feels dirty [18:05] hmm, lionface looks weird with Ubuntu Beta font [18:05] http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopxc1498-jpg.jpg [18:05] JontheEchidna: thats not a big fat warning.. thats just tenee weene [18:05] I call the font weird in itself [18:06] apachelogger: nooo... ubuntu font ++ [18:06] you bun too font [18:06] i find it insanely hot [18:06] Windows Font [18:06] Fedora Font [18:06] I see a pattern there [18:06] oha [18:06] they do not have such names [18:06] apachelogger: fedora font? [18:06] oh [18:06] besides, OPEN FONT with closed beta [18:06] lol [18:06] fine [18:06] http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopbl1498-jpg.jpg [18:06] possibly because it is narrow minded [18:06] but oh my [18:07] shadeslayer: happy? [18:07] who would think that one might want to have a new font [18:07] oh [18:07] JontheEchidna: still loading [18:07] we can always make it you bun too font two [18:07] JontheEchidna: muon is eating my crappy connection to download upgrades :P [18:07] JontheEchidna: oh god, leave the message as it is now! [18:07] :DDD [18:07] there, my theory of mind just solved a future problem [18:07] I don't think kde-l10n would like XBOX HUEG very much.... :( [18:07] * apachelogger feels all better now and goes on to reply to queries -.- [18:08] Quintasan: maybe you could start a 4chan translation in LP [18:08] hehe... [18:08] like they did with kligon [18:08] * shadeslayer kills muon [18:08] oh [18:08] *klingon [18:08] They did Klingon translation? :DD [18:08] at one point they had one [18:08] * apachelogger thought that JontheEchidna was refering to translation via IRC (channels) [18:08] JontheEchidna: Much better :D [18:08] that would be handy [18:09] have a bot tell you strings and you reply with translations [18:09] JontheEchidna: still missing a space between mostapplicable [18:09] that could avoid stages of silence in here [18:09] shadeslayer: thx [18:09] muhahaha [18:09] JontheEchidna: oh oh.. make the text bold :P [18:10] and sparkly! [18:10] coloring also adds a nice touch to it I suppose [18:10] something orange mabye [18:10] (maybe [18:10] with a little pic of apachelogger dancing naked... :P [18:10] NO [18:10]