[00:21] <collin> Having an issue with fglrx and my new ATI Radeon HD 4670 card.
[00:21] <collin> When starting X, I can certainly hear the GDM login sound, but there is no visual output.
[00:22] <collin> Pressing Enter and entering my password, then enter again apparently loads GNOME like normal. Still no visual output.
[00:22] <collin> After logging into GNOME, I can run fglrxinfo and glxinfo without issue.
[00:23] <paultag> collin: psst, I see you
[00:23] <collin> paultag: ohai.
[00:23] <paultag> don't run!
[00:23] <paultag> collin: did you start or do any work on whube comment stuff?
[00:24] <collin> paultag: Not yet.
[00:24] <paultag> collin: righto, thanks
[00:24] <collin> Currently trying to get my graphics card working :P.
[00:24] <paultag> collin: OK, now what's your issue
[00:24] <paultag> collin: what do you mean load without issue?
[00:24] <paultag> collin: like it will be a sole window on a black screen?
[00:25] <collin> paultag: As in, they actually output something other than "segmentation fault" or "Cannot open screen"
[00:25] <collin> I can't see anything, though.
[00:25] <paultag> collin: how are you running them?
[00:25] <collin> Both of those commands are terminal-based commands.
[00:25] <paultag> well yeah
[00:25] <paultag> collin: are you running an export DISPLAY or something?
[00:26] <collin> No, I'm not.
[00:26] <collin> I tried it, same issue.
[00:26] <paultag> collin: so how are you running them?
[00:26] <collin> paultag: I can use the keyboard to log in to GNOME through GDM and they run after that, terminal output.
[00:27] <paultag> collin: how do you see the terminal, if you can't see GNOME is my question
[00:27] <collin> paultag: virtual terminal
[00:27] <collin> (F1-F6)
[00:28] <paultag> collin: and how do you run the app? I asked if you had to use the export DISPLAY hack to run it
[00:28] <paultag> collin: you won't connect to X unless you do that
[00:28] <paultag> it should "Error can not open Display"
[00:28] <paultag> unless you `export DISPLAY=:0.0`
[00:28] <collin> Alright, hang on.
[00:30] <collin> fglrxinfo only works after I use the keyboard to log in to GNOME.
[00:30] <paultag> collin: still, it should fail unless you export 100%
[00:30] <collin> And after using the DISPLAY variable.
[00:30] <collin> or, var.
[00:30] <collin> whatever.
[00:31] <paultag> collin: anyway, no big deal. So, the X session is active, but you can't see it
[00:31] <collin> Yeah
[00:32] <paultag> collin: did you try a dpkg-reconfigure on xserver-xorg ?
[00:33] <collin> Just did - no effect.
[00:33] <paultag> collin: what about the ati xserver config tool -- sec, I'll find it
[00:34] <paultag> /usr/bin/aticonfig --initial
[00:34] <paultag> collin: does that run?
[00:34] <collin> Yeah, I did that.
[00:34] <paultag> collin: grr/
[00:34] <paultag> collin: manually edit xorg.conf and try using the vesa driver
[00:35] <collin> I used VESA before - works fine.
[00:35] <paultag> collin: I'd chalk this up to a crap ati driver :(
[00:36]  * collin sighs
[00:36] <paultag> collin: the xserver folks broke it around 9.04 or 8.10 ish
[00:37] <collin> This should be a fairly common card.
[00:37] <paultag> collin: but it's the nonfree driver
[00:37] <paultag> collin: and iirc upstream is just jerking it, and not doing much
[00:37] <collin> Does the free driver provide the same functionality?
[00:38] <paultag> collin: I'm not sure
[00:38] <paultag> collin: can't hurt to try
[00:40] <collin> "2D modesetting only: <snip> 4xxx"
[00:40] <collin> yay.
[02:35] <Fanshawe> Hello everyone. Me again. Wondering if there's a solution to the 'Failed to Suspend' error gnome power manager seems to give me everytime I close my laptop lid.
[02:35] <Fanshawe> It seems to successfully suspend, but gives the error upon coming back to the desktop.
[02:36] <damo-man> X is trying to load an nvidia module, but i have a radeon card- i can't find any mention of nvidia in any of the X config files - anyone have any ideas? I can't use Xorg -configure because it complains about the nvidia module not being able to be loaded
[02:38] <damo-man> anyone have any ideas?
[02:39] <stlsaint> hrm,
[02:39] <stlsaint> Fanshawe: not sure about your issue
[02:39] <stlsaint> damo-man: what drivers are you using?
[02:40] <damo-man> well, i'm not sure, but lspci gives me radeon ati express 200
[02:40] <damo-man> Radeon Xpress 200 that is
[02:40] <damo-man> so i assume it should use the radeon drivers
[02:41] <damo-man> "radeon" is listed under "List of video drivers" when Xorg -configure starts up
[02:41] <damo-man> xorg-server 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7.2 is the one i'm running...
[02:41] <damo-man> Current Operating System: Linux jupiter 2.6.32-23-generic
[02:41] <stlsaint> damo-man: what is listed in your hardware driver list?
[02:42] <damo-man> how do i get my hardware driver list?
[02:42] <damo-man> lshw - ok.. hang on...
[02:43] <damo-man> display description: VGA compatible controller
[02:44] <damo-man> product: RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200]
[02:44] <damo-man> configuration: driver=radeon latency=64 mingnt=8
[02:44] <damo-man> so it looks like i'm using radeon as the driver
[02:44] <damo-man> (i'm thinking?)
[02:51] <stlsaint> damo-man: no look in your System>admin>hardware
[02:52] <damo-man> I'm not running X, coz X is broken :)
[02:52] <damo-man> where else can I look?
[02:54] <stlsaint> aye, nevermind that...yea do you have another system to use?
[02:54] <damo-man> another system to use?
[02:54] <damo-man> i have a mac (which is what i'm using now) - is that what you mean?
[02:55] <damo-man> i don't have another linux system - no..
[05:51] <nuboon2age_> kermiac_: ping
[08:27] <kermiac> anyone here use glipper?
[08:28] <sayres> hi
[08:28] <sayres> anyone here use glipper?
[08:28] <duanedesign> kermiac: huh, it looks interesting. Do you?
[08:29] <kermiac> sayres: hi... trying to find someone else who uses it for you
[08:29] <kermiac> duanedesign: nope, sayres came into my loco chan asking about it - I've never used it
[08:29] <kermiac> if noone uses it I can install and try it
[08:29] <duanedesign> kermiac: i thought you might be working on a bug or something :)
[08:30] <kermiac> duanedesign: i am, but not a glipper bug hehe
[08:30] <kermiac> so no takers?
[08:31] <kermiac> ok, sayres can you please run "apt-cache policy glipper" (without the quotes) & pastebin the results?
[08:31] <kermiac> !pastbing > sayres
[08:31] <ubot2> Factoid 'pastbing' not found
[08:31] <kermiac> !pastbin> sayres
[08:31] <ubot2> Factoid 'pastbin' not found
[08:31] <kermiac> gah
[08:31] <kermiac> !pastebin> sayres
[08:31] <ubot2> sayres, please see my private message
[08:32] <duanedesign> kermiac: did you send a pm or is ubot just crazy?
[08:32] <kermiac> duanedesign: that made ubot send the pm (after i fumbled typing the factoid hehe)
[08:32] <sayres> where insert apt-cache policy glipper ?
[08:32] <duanedesign> ahhh some ubot-fu
[08:33] <kermiac> sayres: sorry, please run that command from a terminal
[08:33] <sayres> i insert yo run application
[08:33] <ddecator> duanedesign: comes in handy :)
[08:33] <sayres> ok
[08:33] <kermiac> duanedesign: yup, ubot is great :)
[08:33] <sayres> glipper:
[08:33] <sayres>   Installed: 1.0-1.1ubuntu1
[08:33] <sayres>   Candidate: 1.0-1.1ubuntu1
[08:33] <sayres>   Version table:
[08:33] <sayres>  *** 1.0-1.1ubuntu1 0
[08:33] <sayres>         500 http://ubuntuarchive.eweka.nl/ubuntu/ lucid/universe Packages
[08:33] <sayres>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[08:33]  * kermiac patpats ubot2
[08:33] <kermiac> sayres: !pastebin
[08:34] <sayres> pastebin ?whats mean?
[08:34] <kermiac> sayres: sorry, the bot is having "issues". it was supposed to pm you
[08:34] <kermiac> sayres: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[08:34]  * kermiac kicks ubot2
[08:35] <kermiac> sayres: what flavour of ubuntu are you running? ubuntu, kubuntu, lubuntu, etc
[08:36] <sayres> ubuntu 10.4
[08:36] <sayres> very nice gooooooood
[08:37] <kermiac> sayres: ok, please right click on the top panel & select "add to panel"
[08:37] <sayres> what else
[08:37] <kermiac> sayres: in the list you will see "clipboard manager", select that & click "add"
[08:38] <kermiac> sayres: than you will have glipper on your panel
[08:38] <sayres> yes ok
[08:38] <kermiac> !pastebin> kermiac
[08:38] <ubot2> kermiac, please see my private message
[08:38] <kermiac> !pastebin | kermiac
[08:38] <kermiac> !pastebin
[08:38] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[08:39]  * kermiac hugs ubot2
[08:39] <kermiac> much better
[08:39] <kermiac> sayres: ok, did that work?
[08:40] <sayres> im tryin':-/
[08:41] <kermiac> sayres: ok, please let me know how you go :)
[08:41] <kermiac> hi xiaogui :)
[08:42] <xiaogui> i download some Chinese .txt files, and unrared them, but then i found all the contents are unreadable, does anyone know the possible reason?
[08:42] <sayres> kermiac: how can i paste it?
[08:44] <sayres> kermic ???
[08:44] <sayres> kermiac?
[08:44] <xiaogui> hi, kermiac. :D
[08:44] <kermiac> sayres: left click the glipper applet, select (left click) the text & then right click, paste wherever you want to paste it
[08:45] <kermiac> sayres: please be patient, sometimes my old fingers dont type as fast as they used to ;)
[08:46] <kermiac> xiaogui: i do not use chinese fonts, however my google-fu says you may want to look at this page - http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_Optimise_Ubuntu_for_Chinese_desktop
[08:47] <kermiac> anyone else here use chinese fonts?
[08:47] <ddecator> kermiac: for having "old" slow fingers, you beat me to that one :p
[08:47] <hobgoblin> xiaogui: try looking in System - Admin - Language Support
[08:47] <kermiac> ddecator: haha
[08:47] <ddecator> dang, and hobgoblin beat me to that suggestion..
[08:47] <hobgoblin> kermiac: plenty in here with old fingers
[08:47] <ddecator> every time i'm about to hit <enter> you guys chime in, haha
[08:47] <sayres> kermiac: i copy tow files....but i cant past none of them??
[08:47] <kermiac> thanks hobgoblin :)
[08:48] <hobgoblin> and fat fingers - it's not that I can't spell ...
[08:48] <kermiac> hobgoblin: I use that excuse too hehe
[08:49] <sayres> it just for the text???
[08:49] <kermiac> yes, sayres it is just for text
[08:49] <hobgoblin> it's a clipboard sayres
[08:49] <kermiac> sayres: what are you trying to do exactly?
[08:50] <hobgoblin> if you want to copy files use the file manager
[08:50] <sayres> i want copy tow or more files not text?can i?
[08:50] <kermiac> sayres: do you mean two or more?
[08:50] <hobgoblin> use the file manager - Ctrl +left mouse
[08:51] <kermiac> just double checking that I understand
[08:51] <ddecator> Ctrl+left click
[08:51] <ddecator> hobgoblin: darn, again..
[08:51] <hobgoblin> :)
[08:51] <kermiac> sayres: yeah, what hobgoblin & ddecator said
[08:52] <xiaogui> hobgoblin: I can read and write and write chinese in vim.
[08:52] <sayres>  kermiac:its not my mean...:-$
[08:52] <ddecator> xiaogui: maybe the file got corrupt during compression/uncompression
[08:53] <hobgoblin> xiaogui: if you already have chinese language support then I would assume that ^^
[08:54] <xiaogui> you mean there's problem in my unrar software?
[08:54] <sayres>  kermiac:i want copy one file and next page copy the other copy  then tow copis past the onother page ....can i say my mean?
[08:55] <sayres> onother = another
[08:55] <ddecator> xiaogui: not necessarily. maybe try downloading the file and uncompressing it again. it could be whoever compressed the file corrupted it
[08:56] <sayres> hobgoblin & ddecator &  kermiac:i want copy one file and next page copy the other copy  then tow copis past the another page ....can i say my mean?
[08:56] <hobgoblin> sayres: you want to copy files from more than one folder?
[08:57] <sayres>  hobgoblin: yes
[08:59] <xiaogui> ddecator: ok, thanks, i'll try
[09:00] <hobgoblin> sayres: I'd use cp in a terminal then
[09:00] <sayres> hobgoblin: is this work possible?
[09:01] <sayres> hobgoblin:whats mean?
[09:01] <hobgoblin> yes - but personally if they are important files and you've not used cp then I would be inclined to just move them one at a time in the file manager
[09:03] <sayres> so the work that i wanna do impossible:'(
[09:03] <sayres> hobgoblin:so the work that i wanna do impossible:'(
[09:04] <hobgoblin> sayres: you can copy more than one file to a new destination with cp
[09:05] <sayres> cp by terminal?
[09:05] <sayres> hobgoblin: cp by terminal?
[09:05] <hobgoblin> yes
[09:05] <hobgoblin> no need to repeat :) I'm watching
[09:06] <kermiac> sayres: 'cp' is a terminal command, something you type in a terminal window
[09:06] <sayres> i know but i want use gui program
[09:07] <kermiac> sayres: i don't think it is possible with a gui program
[09:07] <sayres> forever thanks
[09:07] <kermiac> no problem sayres, i wish we could've helped you more
[09:07] <sayres> all of yours
[09:07] <hobgoblin> sayres: hang on a moment
[09:09] <sayres> ok
[09:12] <hobgoblin> sayres: sorry - was looking at a different file manager
[09:12] <hobgoblin> sayres: might need to use the terminal
[09:23] <sayres> ok tanks
[09:30] <meindian523> lukjad,
[09:30] <meindian523> no 007, no 86, what happened to yer tails?
[09:49] <xiaogui> kermiac: Thanks for the website. I just solved the problem. with  "iconv -f gb2312 -t utf-8 < file.txt" command. :D
[09:50] <ddecator> very nice :)
[09:50] <kermiac> xiaogui: good to hear :)
[09:51] <xiaogui> ;)
[09:52] <meindian523> what does that do?
[09:52] <meindian523> nvm
[10:17] <hobgoblin> o/
[10:17] <philinux> Mornin
[12:49] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:55] <philinux> o/ duane
[12:56] <paultag> hey philinux
[12:56] <philinux> ok how's tricks
[12:56] <paultag> not bad, how are you philinux?
[12:57] <philinux> ok, weasther really dull here going do some diy this aft
[12:57] <paultag> aye, what on?
[12:57] <paultag> rebuilding an engine?
[12:57] <paultag> making a table?
[12:57] <paultag> playing FOOBALL?
[12:58] <paultag> although that last one was not really DIY
[12:58] <philinux> Some wallpaper needs fixing in kitchen
[12:58] <paultag> ah yes, outstanding
[12:58] <paultag> philinux: I don't have anything to fix :(
[12:59] <philinux> oh well lazy day for you then
[12:59] <paultag> yessir
[12:59] <philinux> My sis os over tomoz so I gotta clean up too.
[12:59] <paultag> Oh, nice! :)
[12:59] <paultag> going to cook up something nice there philinux?
[13:00] <philinux> chilli
[13:00] <paultag> nice :)
[13:00] <philinux> Big pot with garlic bread. I'll freeze any left over
[13:03]  * duanedesign is getting hungry
[13:04]  * philinux just had two boiled eggs, with mayo
[13:15]  * paultag just had oatmeal
[13:15] <paultag> <3 oatmeal
[13:23] <philinux> No-one needs any help then, must be all running smoothly out there. lol.
[15:36] <Silver_Fox_> Good to see you bgs100  :)
[15:36] <bgs100> Hi Silver_Fox_
[15:37] <zkriesse> mornin/evenin/afternoon folks
[15:37] <zkriesse> ah hello Silver_Fox_ and bgs100
[15:37] <bgs100> Heya zkriesse
[15:38] <Silver_Fox_> How are you bgs100  ?
[15:38] <bgs100> Pretty good, you?
[15:38] <Silver_Fox_> Good enough
[15:38] <Silver_Fox_> Doing some work with PERL!!!
[15:38] <Silver_Fox_> :)
[15:39] <bgs100> Ah
[15:39] <Silver_Fox_> Think I messed up an escape characted somewhere
[15:39] <Silver_Fox_> Debugging
[15:45] <Silver_Fox_>  And now it is fixed
[15:48] <bgs100> Yay
[15:48] <Silver_Fox_> \/ and \" is allowed in PERL also :)
[20:06] <darknemesis> When butterflies are in love, do they feel humans in their stomach???
[20:21] <smeag0l> haha darknemesis ;D
[20:47] <darknemesis> anyone in the uk want to rubber neck the moat thing? on bbc news now - with gun to head
[22:08] <Liplol> Excuse me...how can I get my whole monitor to be used? There is a half inch barrier on all sides. I have the resolution set at the size of my monitor, but its still not taking up the extra space.
[22:14] <Liplol> Anyone have any idea as to why that might be?