[00:33] <jenkins> night all
[10:51] <nisshh> jenkins: ill be doing some work on the dev manual in a little while, ill make a branch up and turn it into the trunk so you can also start working on it
[10:53] <jenkins> cool nisshh sounds great
[10:54] <nisshh> ok
[10:55] <jenkins> I will be afk quite a bit today
[11:02] <nisshh> jenkins: ok, just work on it when you like
[11:03] <nisshh> im setting it up so the whole team can commit to the trunk anyway
[11:05] <jenkins> thats good
[11:05] <nisshh> yea
[11:32] <nisshh> jenkins: just so you know:https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-developer-manual/ubuntu-developer-manual/trunk
[11:32] <nisshh> jenkins: thats the new trunk, which is owned by the whole dev manual team, not just me this time
[11:32] <nisshh> it also has the sample app in it
[11:37] <nisshh> godbyk: ping
[11:37] <nisshh> godbyk-android:
[11:37] <nisshh> godbyk-android: ping
[11:39] <jenkins> nisshh: branch is great, kevin will not be up for 2-3 hours yet.
[11:40] <nisshh> jenkins: ok, cool, i need godbyk to teach me how to create and edit stuff like the /terminal command and such, unless you know how to do that?
[11:43] <jenkins> nisshh: have a look at the ubuntu-manual.cls file line 512
[11:43] <nisshh> ok
[11:43] <jenkins> what do you want to change about it?
[11:43] <jenkins> I have never done it before but I can't be ahrd
[11:46] <nisshh> jenkins: i dont want to change anything really, but i just though we might be creating commands and stuff in the future so i thought i should learn
[11:46] <jenkins> ok i see
[12:00] <c7p> jenkins, flan under which license is the quickshot  released ?
[12:02] <jenkins> c7p: GNU General Public License version 3, please point out that it is not worth forking/using as a code base at the moment as it is still mid rewrite
[12:03] <c7p> so for now it's only for the purposed of the manual ?
[12:03] <jenkins> no we are working for multiproject support this release, I think we said that in the e-mail i liked to you
[12:04] <nisshh> jenkins: is the new version going to be easier to use
[12:04] <c7p> ok, i'm just writing an introduction about the UM project and the quickshot in greek so i can motivate them to learn more
[12:05] <jenkins> thats the idea, cool.
[12:05] <jenkins> when you are done can you link me it please, I will have a read using google translate.
[12:05] <c7p> ok :)
[12:06] <jenkins> thanks :), feel free to post it on the forum when you are done, I would jsut like to see peoples response
[12:15] <c7p> jenkins: do you have the ML url handy? if not don't mind I'll find it on google
[12:16] <jenkins> c7p https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2010-May/014801.html
[12:16] <c7p> ok ty :)
[12:18] <c7p> should I add the link or quote the message ?
[12:18] <jenkins> up to you, which ever you like
[12:35] <c7p> jenkins: http://forum.ubuntu-gr.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=13165
[12:37] <c7p> i can clarify any paragraph if you can't make out google's translation
[12:38] <jenkins> nope thats great,
[12:38] <jenkins> we shall see what people think
[12:40] <c7p> ok
[12:41] <jenkins> thanks c7p
[12:41] <jenkins> :)
[12:41] <jenkins> see you later all
[16:50] <semioticrobotic> does anyone use Back In Time for backups?
[16:50] <semioticrobotic> having a issue I can't solve
[16:50] <dutchie> ooh, backups
[16:50] <semioticrobotic> indeed sir
[16:51] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: sorry, cant help you, i use a bash script that uses rsync
[16:51] <dutchie> must get round to sorting them
[16:51] <semioticrobotic> well, Back In Time uses rsync as well
[16:51] <semioticrobotic> I just prefer the GUI
[16:51] <nisshh> yea
[16:51] <nisshh> some do some dont
[16:51] <semioticrobotic> maybe my issue is an rsync issue
[16:51] <semioticrobotic> not entirely sure
[16:51] <semioticrobotic> every two days, Back In Time does a complete backup
[16:52] <semioticrobotic> regardless of changes, regardless of hardlinks, etc.
[16:52] <semioticrobotic> it just backs everything up from scratch ... and it's killing my drive (not to mention using more space than I have)
[16:53] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: its your back in time settings im guessing, you should be able to change when it does what type of backup
[16:53] <semioticrobotic> I've tweaked them twice
[16:53] <semioticrobotic> (over the past four days)
[16:53] <semioticrobotic> but this hasn't solved the problem ... not yet, anyway
[16:53] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: i would think that every 2 days is far too much
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> right
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> because a single full backup of my stuff takes 4+ hours
[16:54] <nisshh> yea
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> I don't mind doing that once, on initial backup to a fresh drive
[16:54] <nisshh> changes only would be what you want
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> precisely
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> and that's what I have it set to do
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> once very hour
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> *every
[16:54] <semioticrobotic> I save all backups for a year
[16:55] <semioticrobotic> and it quits if the drive has less than 1GB free
[16:55] <semioticrobotic> neither of those conditions have been met
[16:55] <nisshh> yea, maybe it has a default setting of full backups every 2 days, you should be able to change that
[16:55] <semioticrobotic> yes, I think so!
[16:55] <semioticrobotic> nisshh: Do you think a script would be better than this piece of software?
[16:56] <semioticrobotic> keep in mind that I'm somewhat n00bish
[16:56] <semioticrobotic> but would be willing to consider other options
[16:56] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: well, if you know enough about rsync, then yes
[16:56] <semioticrobotic> I've just migrated from Mac OS X, and this is the only issue that has me thinking of going back
[16:56] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: there are heaps of example rsync backup scripts on the net
[16:57] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: yea, scripts are the way to go for something like backups
[16:57] <semioticrobotic> are they easy to set up and run automatically?
[16:57] <semioticrobotic> (Back in Time uses cron for its scheduling)
[16:57] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: create your script and run it manually once to make sure it works, then add it as a cron job
[16:57] <dutchie> !info rsnapshot
[16:57] <dutchie> hmm
[16:58] <nisshh> dutchie: real smooth :)
[16:58] <semioticrobotic> :)
[16:58] <semioticrobotic> dutchie: just looked it up ... reading now
[16:59] <dutchie> hello manualbot
[16:59] <dutchie> !info rsnapshot
[16:59] <dutchie> !ping
[16:59] <manualbot> pong
[17:00] <dutchie> oh well
[17:00] <nisshh> meh
[17:00] <semioticrobotic> dutchie: hmmm, well, I know this decreases my cred, but I'll need to admit that this looks just a little too complicated for my current skill set
[17:00] <dutchie> fair enough
[17:01] <semioticrobotic> sorry :/
[17:01] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: give it a go, you can do it
[17:01] <semioticrobotic> something to work up to, of course  :)
[17:02] <semioticrobotic> nisshh: Well, while I appreciate your confidence, I'm not so sure  :)
[17:02] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: meh, well, maybe one day youll try it
[17:04] <semioticrobotic> nisshh: of course, I'll continue to read and tinker .. but when it comes to backups, I like to be sure I'm absolutely comfortable with the solution I've implemented
[17:05] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: yea, good point, are you really backup consious are you?
[17:07] <semioticrobotic> nisshh: Yes.  I keep several external volumes filled with irreplaceable files
[17:08] <semioticrobotic> nisshh: and I want them backed up consistently and thoroughly
[17:08] <nisshh> yea
[17:08] <nisshh> work files im guessing?
[17:08] <semioticrobotic> i just can't believe someone hasn't implemented a more n00b-proof backup solution for Ubuntu by now
[17:08] <semioticrobotic> yes
[17:09] <semioticrobotic> on the whole
[17:09] <nisshh> yea, well, rsync is pretty damn easy
[17:09] <semioticrobotic> I have a 6GB research library -- 900 books and 2000+ articles -- that I've compiled over the last decade
[17:09] <semioticrobotic> I would be devastated if they were lost
[17:09] <nisshh> oooh, id like to read those
[17:10] <nisshh> semioticrobotic: as well as my backup script i also have 3 external drives i mirror too
[17:10] <dutchie> there is a thing
[17:10] <dutchie> deja dup
[17:10] <nisshh> plus my raid array
[17:10] <semioticrobotic> dutchie: I looked at deja dup, too, but I forget why I ruled it out ...
[17:10] <dutchie> i've heard of it being discussed for the default install, so it must be fairly noob-proof
[17:10] <semioticrobotic> will look into it again
[17:10] <semioticrobotic> yes, it is
[17:11] <semioticrobotic> actually, I think I remember now
[17:11] <semioticrobotic> Deja Dup only restores enture snapshots
[17:11] <semioticrobotic> *entire
[17:12] <semioticrobotic> I don't think it can do per-file restores
[17:12] <semioticrobotic> and when I only want to retrieve a single file (or pdf, something like that), it's a hassle
[17:13] <dutchie> how does it store them? tarballs?
[17:13] <semioticrobotic> um, let me check
[17:14] <semioticrobotic> dutchie, not sure
[17:15] <semioticrobotic> just looking at the Launchpad page now
[17:15] <dutchie> never mind
[17:16] <semioticrobotic> deja dup uses duplicity
[17:16] <semioticrobotic> (as its backend)
[17:17] <semioticrobotic> well, thanks for the help and suggestions, folks
[17:17] <semioticrobotic> I'm sure I'll figure something out
[17:25] <semioticrobotic> (in the meantime I've filed a question on Launchpad ... we'll see where it goes)
[17:45] <daker> hi
[17:46] <nisshh> daker: hey
[19:00]  * nisshh is compiling his own kernel :)
[21:54] <jenkins> evening all, how are we?
[21:56] <jenkins> quite here tonight
[21:57] <c7p> yap
[21:57] <dutchie> o/
[22:01] <jenkins> hello dutchie and c7p
[22:02] <c7p> hey jenkins
[22:21] <jenkins> godbyk: ping
[22:25] <c7p> in about an hour godbyk should be available
[22:26] <jenkins> k thanks
[22:26] <dutchie> daker: did you ping the other day?
[22:26] <jenkins> hey daker great to here how quickly you will be able to do the quickshot site, where are you putting the branch?
[22:27] <daker> dutchie, i don't remember
[22:27] <jenkins> dutchie: that may have been me, no worries now
[22:32] <daker> jenkins, there is no branch :)
[22:32] <jenkins> daker: cool if you don't mind can you do it under the quickshot project page :) please
[22:32] <daker> sure
[22:33] <jenkins> thanks, just checked you are in the quickshotdevs team
[22:37] <c7p> jenkins: could you help me to find what's the error on http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ubuntu-manual-el.log ?
[22:37] <jenkins> sure let me look
[22:38] <jenkins> found it
[22:38] <jenkins> where is the latest tex file? in the branch?
[22:38] <c7p> i am not sure
[22:38] <c7p> i will send you lattest on mail
[22:39] <jenkins> cool
[22:44] <jenkins> hmm not what i thought
[22:46] <jenkins> in case you have missed any of my other reminders, collaboration meeting on saturday 10th 8pm utc, if you are coming please add yourself to the list. http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/collaborationmeeting , you can also add agenda items there. If everyone can add the pros and cons for docbook or mallard as the content pool http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/prosandcons . Thanks :)
[22:46] <jenkins> still trying to work it out c7p
[22:49] <c7p> what's the uDocs ?
[22:49] <daker> jenkins, http://imagebin.org/104704
[22:50] <jenkins> daker: \o/ :D
[22:50] <jenkins> c7p: sorry where is that written?
[22:50] <c7p> jenkins: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/collaborationmeeting
[22:51] <daker> i think it's Ubuntu Doc Team
[22:51] <daker> no ?
[22:51] <c7p> "uDocs, Manual, and Learning  teams collaboration meeting"
[22:51] <jenkins> c7p: i think i must have leaned on the keyboard with that open
[22:56] <daker> jenkins, https://code.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/quickshot/website
[22:57] <jenkins> wow you have added alot how much, more needs doing?
[22:59] <daker> what ???!!!!
[22:59] <jenkins> c7p: I really can't find what is causing the error, it is usually an extra \ that causes that error.
[23:00] <jenkins> daker: you have added a lot of files all ready, how much more needs to be done before it is complete?
[23:00] <jenkins> sorry for the bad wording
[23:01] <daker> it will be complete for this week end
[23:01] <jenkins> thats great!
[23:02] <daker> if you want to run the website
[23:02] <jenkins> can I tweet the screenshot you sent? if i crop out the web browser.
[23:03] <daker> i'll make one for you
[23:03] <jenkins> it would be great if you could show me how to set it up I have no clue
[23:03] <jenkins> thanks
[23:04]  * jenkins notes daker uses the same theme as jenkins
[23:04] <daker> humpreybc too
[23:05] <c7p> jenkins: no problem, I can't find it either :P, kevin should be back in a few minutes so it's no big deal
[23:05] <jenkins> its really strange I must be missing something
[23:06] <c7p> I typed the make ubuntu-etc command on my system, and on the log file there isn't any word error
[23:08] <jenkins> hmm wierd
[23:13] <godbyk> jenkins, c7p: pong
[23:14] <c7p> hi kevin
[23:14] <jenkins> hey godbyk, I forgot what I was going to say. How are you? busy i guess
[23:15] <godbyk> not too bad. just got back from a meeting.
[23:15] <godbyk> (seems all I do these days is attend meetings. makes it hard to get stuff done.)
[23:15] <jenkins> can someone please confirm they got my meeting reminder on the mailing list?
[23:16] <daker> i got it
[23:17] <jenkins> thanks,
[23:17] <godbyk> c7p: the error in the log file on the builds site was the \dasho thing I mentioned to you earlier.
[23:17] <jenkins> I am determind to do it I will organise meetings until we decide/ get people from every team
[23:17] <godbyk> I haven't rebuilt the PDFs since.
[23:18] <c7p> ok nice
[23:18] <godbyk> jenkins: have people from other teams committed to showing up yet?
[23:18] <jenkins> err nope :( , I have flooded irc enough on this channel and the docs one
[23:20] <jenkins> well not on the pad some on the thread but not much since
[23:21] <jenkins> kevin, what do you dislike about the nexus one? I am tempted to get one once I start work
[23:24] <godbyk> jenkins: My biggest gripe is actually with T-Mobile's crappy service coverage in my area.  The phone (and Android) is pretty nice, I think.
[23:24] <godbyk> The 2.2 release fixed all my gripes, I think.
[23:24] <godbyk> I haven't had time to dink with it much since upgrading, though, so I don't know if it got them all or not.
[23:25] <jenkins> cool, I am going to have to think about if I can justify the cost
[23:25] <daker> jenkins, http://imagebin.org/104706
[23:26] <c7p> godbyk, are you available at this time ?
[23:26] <jenkins> thanks daker, any idea how to tweet a photo :$
[23:27] <dutchie> jenkins: http://twitpic.com/
[23:27] <dutchie> or one of the myriad similar sites
[23:27] <daker> tweetpic
[23:27] <daker> create an account on tweetpic
[23:28] <godbyk> c7p: sure, I can give you a few minutes before I have to dive back into other code.  (so much code!)  :)
[23:28] <c7p> ok :) thx
[23:29] <c7p> check this http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3sIwez7O8A
[23:29] <jenkins> thanks daker , should be up soon
[23:30] <c7p> concerning the first item on the list, topo fixed the issue manually if it is ok with you we can overcome this way
[23:30] <dutchie> night all
[23:31] <dutchie> i will be back a week sunday
[23:31] <c7p> for more about the topo's way : http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/YknjBKBNG8
[23:32] <jenkins> bye dutchie
[23:32] <c7p> night dutchie
[23:32] <godbyk> see ya, dutchie
[23:32] <jenkins> daker: tweeted and facebook'd
[23:35] <godbyk> c7p: what are some of the glossary entries that were messed up before?
[23:36] <c7p> godbyk: actually it's their page refferences , https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1PVCof8xG_iEUwPNP_D4ya3s5O6G3i8diDWLe6iwLbTw&hl=en&authkey=CLTxr4UE&pli=1#
[23:39] <daker> good night
[23:39] <c7p> night daker
[23:40] <jenkins> night daker