[00:33] night all === ZachK_ is now known as zkriesse === Zeike is now known as brandonj === hemanth is now known as g33k === g33k is now known as hemanth === \vish is now known as vish [10:51] jenkins: ill be doing some work on the dev manual in a little while, ill make a branch up and turn it into the trunk so you can also start working on it [10:53] cool nisshh sounds great [10:54] ok [10:55] I will be afk quite a bit today [11:02] jenkins: ok, just work on it when you like [11:03] im setting it up so the whole team can commit to the trunk anyway [11:05] thats good [11:05] yea [11:32] jenkins: just so you know:https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-developer-manual/ubuntu-developer-manual/trunk [11:32] jenkins: thats the new trunk, which is owned by the whole dev manual team, not just me this time [11:32] it also has the sample app in it [11:37] godbyk: ping [11:37] godbyk-android: [11:37] godbyk-android: ping [11:39] nisshh: branch is great, kevin will not be up for 2-3 hours yet. [11:40] jenkins: ok, cool, i need godbyk to teach me how to create and edit stuff like the /terminal command and such, unless you know how to do that? [11:43] nisshh: have a look at the ubuntu-manual.cls file line 512 [11:43] ok [11:43] what do you want to change about it? [11:43] I have never done it before but I can't be ahrd [11:46] jenkins: i dont want to change anything really, but i just though we might be creating commands and stuff in the future so i thought i should learn [11:46] ok i see [12:00] jenkins, flan under which license is the quickshot released ? [12:02] c7p: GNU General Public License version 3, please point out that it is not worth forking/using as a code base at the moment as it is still mid rewrite [12:03] so for now it's only for the purposed of the manual ? [12:03] no we are working for multiproject support this release, I think we said that in the e-mail i liked to you [12:04] jenkins: is the new version going to be easier to use [12:04] ok, i'm just writing an introduction about the UM project and the quickshot in greek so i can motivate them to learn more [12:05] thats the idea, cool. [12:05] when you are done can you link me it please, I will have a read using google translate. [12:05] ok :) [12:06] thanks :), feel free to post it on the forum when you are done, I would jsut like to see peoples response [12:15] jenkins: do you have the ML url handy? if not don't mind I'll find it on google [12:16] c7p https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2010-May/014801.html [12:16] ok ty :) [12:18] should I add the link or quote the message ? [12:18] up to you, which ever you like [12:35] jenkins: http://forum.ubuntu-gr.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=13165 [12:37] i can clarify any paragraph if you can't make out google's translation [12:38] nope thats great, [12:38] we shall see what people think [12:40] ok [12:41] thanks c7p [12:41] :) [12:41] see you later all [16:50] does anyone use Back In Time for backups? [16:50] having a issue I can't solve [16:50] ooh, backups [16:50] indeed sir [16:51] semioticrobotic: sorry, cant help you, i use a bash script that uses rsync [16:51] must get round to sorting them [16:51] well, Back In Time uses rsync as well [16:51] I just prefer the GUI [16:51] yea [16:51] some do some dont [16:51] maybe my issue is an rsync issue [16:51] not entirely sure [16:51] every two days, Back In Time does a complete backup [16:52] regardless of changes, regardless of hardlinks, etc. [16:52] it just backs everything up from scratch ... and it's killing my drive (not to mention using more space than I have) [16:53] semioticrobotic: its your back in time settings im guessing, you should be able to change when it does what type of backup [16:53] I've tweaked them twice [16:53] (over the past four days) [16:53] but this hasn't solved the problem ... not yet, anyway [16:53] semioticrobotic: i would think that every 2 days is far too much [16:54] right [16:54] because a single full backup of my stuff takes 4+ hours [16:54] yea [16:54] I don't mind doing that once, on initial backup to a fresh drive [16:54] changes only would be what you want [16:54] precisely [16:54] and that's what I have it set to do [16:54] once very hour [16:54] *every [16:54] I save all backups for a year [16:55] and it quits if the drive has less than 1GB free [16:55] neither of those conditions have been met [16:55] yea, maybe it has a default setting of full backups every 2 days, you should be able to change that [16:55] yes, I think so! [16:55] nisshh: Do you think a script would be better than this piece of software? [16:56] keep in mind that I'm somewhat n00bish [16:56] but would be willing to consider other options [16:56] semioticrobotic: well, if you know enough about rsync, then yes [16:56] I've just migrated from Mac OS X, and this is the only issue that has me thinking of going back [16:56] semioticrobotic: there are heaps of example rsync backup scripts on the net [16:57] semioticrobotic: yea, scripts are the way to go for something like backups [16:57] are they easy to set up and run automatically? [16:57] (Back in Time uses cron for its scheduling) [16:57] semioticrobotic: create your script and run it manually once to make sure it works, then add it as a cron job [16:57] !info rsnapshot [16:57] hmm [16:58] dutchie: real smooth :) [16:58] :) [16:58] dutchie: just looked it up ... reading now [16:59] hello manualbot [16:59] !info rsnapshot [16:59] !ping [16:59] pong [17:00] oh well [17:00] meh [17:00] dutchie: hmmm, well, I know this decreases my cred, but I'll need to admit that this looks just a little too complicated for my current skill set [17:00] fair enough [17:01] sorry :/ [17:01] semioticrobotic: give it a go, you can do it [17:01] something to work up to, of course :) [17:02] nisshh: Well, while I appreciate your confidence, I'm not so sure :) [17:02] semioticrobotic: meh, well, maybe one day youll try it [17:04] nisshh: of course, I'll continue to read and tinker .. but when it comes to backups, I like to be sure I'm absolutely comfortable with the solution I've implemented [17:05] semioticrobotic: yea, good point, are you really backup consious are you? [17:07] nisshh: Yes. I keep several external volumes filled with irreplaceable files [17:08] nisshh: and I want them backed up consistently and thoroughly [17:08] yea [17:08] work files im guessing? [17:08] i just can't believe someone hasn't implemented a more n00b-proof backup solution for Ubuntu by now [17:08] yes [17:09] on the whole [17:09] yea, well, rsync is pretty damn easy [17:09] I have a 6GB research library -- 900 books and 2000+ articles -- that I've compiled over the last decade [17:09] I would be devastated if they were lost [17:09] oooh, id like to read those [17:10] semioticrobotic: as well as my backup script i also have 3 external drives i mirror too [17:10] there is a thing [17:10] deja dup [17:10] plus my raid array [17:10] dutchie: I looked at deja dup, too, but I forget why I ruled it out ... [17:10] i've heard of it being discussed for the default install, so it must be fairly noob-proof [17:10] will look into it again [17:10] yes, it is [17:11] actually, I think I remember now [17:11] Deja Dup only restores enture snapshots [17:11] *entire [17:12] I don't think it can do per-file restores [17:12] and when I only want to retrieve a single file (or pdf, something like that), it's a hassle [17:13] how does it store them? tarballs? [17:13] um, let me check [17:14] dutchie, not sure [17:15] just looking at the Launchpad page now [17:15] never mind [17:16] deja dup uses duplicity [17:16] (as its backend) [17:17] well, thanks for the help and suggestions, folks [17:17] I'm sure I'll figure something out [17:25] (in the meantime I've filed a question on Launchpad ... we'll see where it goes) [17:45] hi [17:46] daker: hey [19:00] * nisshh is compiling his own kernel :) === Zeike is now known as brandonj [21:54] evening all, how are we? [21:56] quite here tonight [21:57] yap [21:57] o/ [22:01] hello dutchie and c7p [22:02] hey jenkins [22:21] godbyk: ping [22:25] in about an hour godbyk should be available [22:26] k thanks [22:26] daker: did you ping the other day? [22:26] hey daker great to here how quickly you will be able to do the quickshot site, where are you putting the branch? [22:27] dutchie, i don't remember [22:27] dutchie: that may have been me, no worries now [22:32] jenkins, there is no branch :) [22:32] daker: cool if you don't mind can you do it under the quickshot project page :) please [22:32] sure [22:33] thanks, just checked you are in the quickshotdevs team [22:37] jenkins: could you help me to find what's the error on http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ubuntu-manual-el.log ? [22:37] sure let me look [22:38] found it [22:38] where is the latest tex file? in the branch? [22:38] i am not sure [22:38] i will send you lattest on mail [22:39] cool [22:44] hmm not what i thought [22:46] in case you have missed any of my other reminders, collaboration meeting on saturday 10th 8pm utc, if you are coming please add yourself to the list. http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/collaborationmeeting , you can also add agenda items there. If everyone can add the pros and cons for docbook or mallard as the content pool http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/prosandcons . Thanks :) [22:46] still trying to work it out c7p [22:49] what's the uDocs ? [22:49] jenkins, http://imagebin.org/104704 [22:50] daker: \o/ :D [22:50] c7p: sorry where is that written? [22:50] jenkins: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/collaborationmeeting [22:51] i think it's Ubuntu Doc Team [22:51] no ? [22:51] "uDocs, Manual, and Learning teams collaboration meeting" [22:51] c7p: i think i must have leaned on the keyboard with that open [22:56] jenkins, https://code.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/quickshot/website [22:57] wow you have added alot how much, more needs doing? [22:59] what ???!!!! [22:59] c7p: I really can't find what is causing the error, it is usually an extra \ that causes that error. [23:00] daker: you have added a lot of files all ready, how much more needs to be done before it is complete? [23:00] sorry for the bad wording [23:01] it will be complete for this week end [23:01] thats great! [23:02] if you want to run the website [23:02] can I tweet the screenshot you sent? if i crop out the web browser. [23:03] i'll make one for you [23:03] it would be great if you could show me how to set it up I have no clue [23:03] thanks [23:04] * jenkins notes daker uses the same theme as jenkins [23:04] humpreybc too [23:05] jenkins: no problem, I can't find it either :P, kevin should be back in a few minutes so it's no big deal [23:05] its really strange I must be missing something [23:06] I typed the make ubuntu-etc command on my system, and on the log file there isn't any word error [23:08] hmm wierd [23:13] jenkins, c7p: pong [23:14] hi kevin [23:14] hey godbyk, I forgot what I was going to say. How are you? busy i guess [23:15] not too bad. just got back from a meeting. [23:15] (seems all I do these days is attend meetings. makes it hard to get stuff done.) [23:15] can someone please confirm they got my meeting reminder on the mailing list? [23:16] i got it [23:17] thanks, [23:17] c7p: the error in the log file on the builds site was the \dasho thing I mentioned to you earlier. [23:17] I am determind to do it I will organise meetings until we decide/ get people from every team [23:17] I haven't rebuilt the PDFs since. [23:18] ok nice [23:18] jenkins: have people from other teams committed to showing up yet? [23:18] err nope :( , I have flooded irc enough on this channel and the docs one [23:20] well not on the pad some on the thread but not much since [23:21] kevin, what do you dislike about the nexus one? I am tempted to get one once I start work [23:24] jenkins: My biggest gripe is actually with T-Mobile's crappy service coverage in my area. The phone (and Android) is pretty nice, I think. [23:24] The 2.2 release fixed all my gripes, I think. [23:24] I haven't had time to dink with it much since upgrading, though, so I don't know if it got them all or not. [23:25] cool, I am going to have to think about if I can justify the cost [23:25] jenkins, http://imagebin.org/104706 [23:26] godbyk, are you available at this time ? [23:26] thanks daker, any idea how to tweet a photo :$ [23:27] jenkins: http://twitpic.com/ [23:27] or one of the myriad similar sites [23:27] tweetpic [23:27] create an account on tweetpic [23:28] c7p: sure, I can give you a few minutes before I have to dive back into other code. (so much code!) :) [23:28] ok :) thx [23:29] check this http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3sIwez7O8A [23:29] thanks daker , should be up soon [23:30] concerning the first item on the list, topo fixed the issue manually if it is ok with you we can overcome this way [23:30] night all [23:31] i will be back a week sunday [23:31] for more about the topo's way : http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/YknjBKBNG8 [23:32] bye dutchie [23:32] night dutchie [23:32] see ya, dutchie [23:32] daker: tweeted and facebook'd [23:35] c7p: what are some of the glossary entries that were messed up before? [23:36] godbyk: actually it's their page refferences , https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1PVCof8xG_iEUwPNP_D4ya3s5O6G3i8diDWLe6iwLbTw&hl=en&authkey=CLTxr4UE&pli=1# [23:39] good night [23:39] night daker [23:40] night daker