[00:00] Zach =] [00:00] Heh heh [00:00] oh crap [00:00] Well, we could discuss issues, possible to act on some ? [00:00] What up Zachary? [00:00] oh hey bodhi_zazen [00:00] Hates the iPod [00:01] Anyway... [00:02] Let's Go! [00:02] Go where? [00:03] MichealH: Well, we can not really make a decision, but if you wish you may present your issue [00:04] It's not really an issue but Something else... I an requesting a 3 rf party forum. [00:05] *rf [00:05] Aye, but we do not have enough FC members here ATM to make a decision ... [00:05] An the 3rd party forum will be a place for Ubuntu Youth! [00:07] MichealH: is "Ubuntu Youth" an existing project needing a forum, or are you suggesting a new section? [00:07] Ahhh... [00:07] They want a new forum [00:07] MichealH: I would guess the answer will be no [00:07] Unless it is an "official" project [00:07] Is your project supported by Canonical ? [00:08] I am sure that this is a official project [00:08] found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuYouth, assuming this is the project page [00:08] howdy [00:08] Well it uses and has used the Ubuntu [00:09] jdong: woah, haven't seen you in forever [00:09] hey again jdong [00:09] jacob: that is the project page...(revamped by me) [00:09] jdong \o/ [00:09] It has used the ubuntu trademark thing since 2007 [00:09] hi :) [00:09] what'd I miss? [00:10] (gah sorry, right in the middle of work hours) [00:10] Jdong: nothing much [00:10] jdong: it's really just started, heh [00:10] So... [00:11] The "problem" is that we have limited resources on the server [00:11] The main focus is support and this seems almost a social group [00:11] I understand greatly [00:11] It is not up to me to decide, but you will need to justify why a forums is needed [00:12] jacob: ok good, I'll be around :) [00:12] please understand we have lots of people interested in such things, we get requests for specific forms almost weekly [00:12] I was thinking of it being used as a foil do then if they had a problem with ubuntu then they can solve it with someone of a similar age group [00:12] bodhi_zazen: In reality there is not a justifiable reason for this group to have a forum right now. MichealH was handed the group a short while ago but in that time there has not been much done with it..it's really an idle if not dead team [00:13] For example the Linux Terminal Server Project - That is support , but I am not sure if they would have enough traffic [00:13] to split from servers [00:14] thanks zkriesse [00:14] Decision? [00:14] bodhi_zazen: The only reason I know this is because I'm giving MichealH a helping hand to get this "team" off the ground [00:14] As I said, the decision is not up to me, I am more trying to advise you what will likely be asked - justification [00:15] Only in terms of wiki/ Launchpad [00:16] This team has been dead 2 year now... But we are revamping with me on board. [00:16] Any other comments on the Ubuntu Youth forum ? [00:16] Otherwise, dmizer you want to add anything of polls ? [00:16] bodhi_zazen: None from me at this time [00:16] We are slowly regaining... Popularity [00:17] MichealH: I will "bump" your agenda item to the mailing list see if I can solicit an answer [00:17] bodhi_zazen: If i may, can you give me a pm when this is done? [00:17] Thanks bohdi also where us this mailing list? [00:17] sure bodhi_zazen ... just wanted to see if there would be support in the forum council for disabling polls in the support sections of the forum. Polls would remain in the community section. [00:18] I believe so, I would support the idea =) [00:18] i thought so. ;) [00:18] Sounds good to me as well. If i may say so [00:19] Bodhi_zazen Where can I subscribe to the mailing lists [00:19] They are hardly ever used in support sections so disabling them makes sense [00:19] Prevents abuse [00:19] I doubt it MichealH [00:19] i also cannot see any good reason for having a poll in a support request. [00:19] Good idea! [00:20] I will bump that to the ML as well dmizer , it seems we should be able to answer that via ML [00:20] thank you for adding it to the agenda [00:20] Bodhi_zazen is it only for staff? [00:20] sounds good to me. no problem bodhi_zazen. [00:20] As a subscription I believe so MichealH [00:21] Although if you wish you can post a mailing to it, asking about a youth forums [00:21] If you prefer, you can make your case [00:21] Ok will you make sure to PM me the result over the forums [00:22] just for the record, I just caught up on the backlog [00:22] and concur with the concerns raised [00:22] Yes,I will post to the lists... [00:22] seeing that it's just bodhi and I here, mailing lists sound like a good idea [00:22] What's the email address? [00:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncil [00:24] Anybody else wish to raise any additional items ? [00:25] when's that staff party we're all raving about? ;) [00:25] here here [00:25] Tonight jacob [00:25] At your pad [00:26] hah, if you can find it [00:26] Party! [00:26] So... I will see if I can subscribe to your list [00:27] MichealH: if you just send a message to it they'll get it, but you can't subscribe to it as its private [00:27] no, you can't subscribe to it [00:27] but you can send email to it that goes into a queue [00:27] so be sure to cc: everyone that's not a member of the list but is interested in the discussion [00:28] How will I know the decision? [00:28] Well, it is a mailing list MichealH [00:28] =) [00:29] Ok but I never get replies from topics like I have done with lists before. [00:30] If I don't get to know the answer I can ask you to P [00:30] I do not recall you posting to the FC mailing list, but if you did, the admin may not have approved it, I am not sure [00:30] M me [00:30] yes, you can PM me on the forums if you like =) [00:31] No that was on another list! [00:31] That was a Ubuntu Loco list [00:32] MichealH: then you'll want to send a message to the FC list as previously mentioned [00:33] Okay [00:34] Loves meetings! [00:34] Heh [00:34] I have one tomorrow [00:34] Heh [00:37] MichealH: not sure if you're aware, but: "/me uses emotes" results in: [00:37] * jacob uses emotes [00:37] fun IRC tidbit of the day :P [00:38] Jacob my client doesn't support that considering I have a iPod that is doing t [00:39] *it [00:39] ipod fail! :-D [00:39] ouch, how are you able to type on that? :P [00:40] anyway, storms are getting pretty bad and the lights are flickering, I should probably shut this thing down [00:40] later all [00:40] bye jacob [00:40] later jacob [00:40] bye jacob [00:40] Very easy (with spell checks lol) [00:41] See ya Jacob! [00:44] So... What's on today? === st33med_ is now known as st33med === emma_ is now known as emma === \vish is now known as vish === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha-otm === Ursinha-otm is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [16:00] hey [16:00] Hello [16:00] o/ [16:00] * fader_ waves. [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is robbiew. [16:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:00] yo [16:00] * fader_ is filling in for marjo today. [16:00] time to make the donuts [16:00] * mathiaz waves [16:01] * apw waves [16:01] alright then....let's get rollin [16:01] [TOPIC] Team Reports [16:01] New Topic: Team Reports [16:01] [TOPIC] QA [16:01] New Topic: QA [16:01] o\ [16:02] Er [16:02] I don't expect any boot perf stuff today, btw [16:02] * Hardware testing: [16:02] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html [16:02] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html [16:02] Laptops/Netbooks: [16:02] passed: 61 (92%) failed: 0 ( 0%) untested: 5 ( 8%) [16:02] Servers: [16:02] passed: 59 (88%) failed: 6 ( 9%) untested: 2 ( 3%) [16:02] Desktops: [16:02] passed: 8 (73%) failed: 0 ( 0%) untested: 3 (27%) [16:02] * Boot performance [16:02] Live and installed system boot chart information will be automatically [16:02] generated as of today for both desktop and netbook images [16:02] (As you say, no data yet today) [16:02] * Blueprint status [16:02] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-platform-qa-maverick-alpha-3.html [16:02] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-platform-qa-maverick-alpha-3.html [16:02] qa-maverick-improve-iso-tracker - 50% complete [16:02] Remaining work items are on track. [16:02] qa-maverick-mago-i18n - 0% complete [16:02] Not started due to higher priority work items [16:02] Any questions/comments/confusions? [16:03] qa-maverick-improve-iso-tracker - 50% complete [16:03] wow [16:03] Yeah, I'm excited for that one to happen :) [16:03] apologies for tagging that at 0% [16:03] * robbiew will blame the tools...because it's easier too :P [16:04] Heh [16:04] thanks fader_ [16:04] [TOPIC] Security [16:04] New Topic: Security [16:04] hi [16:04] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick [16:04] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick [16:04] We have no milestoned blueprints. Blueprints for the cycle are slipping due to high/complicated security update load. The team will look at postponements in the coming days and discuss at the upcoming sprint. [16:05] mdeslaur is continuing to make progress on security-m-tls-renegotiation-updates, our last remaining essential blueprint. [16:05] kees' new LSM, 'Yama', was accepted by upstream and is now in the next tree and it is in the -7 Ubuntu kernel now. He has made adjustments for the kde crash handler (which was affected by the ptrace changes) to work with Yama. [16:05] Firefox 3.6.6 was published last week for Hardy and Lucid. Jaunty and Karmic still pending due to openjdk-6. Packages have been uploaded to the mozilla ppa. [16:05] sbeattie has been performing the TCK testing on openjdk-6 and is continuing to work with doko on this. sbeattie is also [16:05] coordinating the work for the new 2.5.1 stable release of AppArmor (userspace). [16:06] We have two milestoned bugs for alpha-3: [16:06] bug #600549: mdeslaur is looking at it. may be a toolchain problem which needs help from doko [16:06] Launchpad bug 600549 in m2crypto (Ubuntu Maverick) "m2crypto fails to build from source in maverick" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600549 [16:06] bug #596136: followed up with kees, who knows how to fix it [16:06] Launchpad bug 596136 in hardening-wrapper (Ubuntu Maverick) "package binutils-multiarch 2.20.1-3ubuntu6 failed to install/upgrade:" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/596136 [16:07] that's it from me [16:07] moving like a fine oiled machine as always....thanks jdstrand [16:07] \o/ [16:07] sure :) [16:07] [TOPIC] Kernel [16:07] New Topic: Kernel [16:08] apw? [16:09] * apw appears [16:09] Overall Kernel Team status is summarised at the first URL below, including the items called out in the agenda. The burn down chart shows us slightly above the line currently: [16:09] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick [16:09] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.04.html [16:09] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick [16:09] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.04.html [16:09] From the agenda, kernel-maverick-apparmour we are making progress on the current bugs, upstreaming efforts are continuing the remaining items here are not release critical. On kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ev2 there has been some good progress, we both have updated full xen patches ready for testing and it seems pv-ops may be back on the table. On the bugs listed the first is still waiting on the reporter and not looking to be a general bug. The DCHC [16:09] card iss is with TI curretnly. The LVM issue we appear to have a fix moving upstream. [16:09] The maverick kernel has been rebased to v2.6.35-rc4 and uploaded, this brings fixes for a number of issues we have been seeing in the wild. [16:09] [16:11] apw: thnx [16:11] questions for Kernel? [16:11] okey dokey then [16:11] (sorry not used to being at the top of the agenda :) [16:11] heh...you're always top in my book ;) [16:12] lol [16:12] [TOPIC] Foundations [16:12] New Topic: Foundations [16:12] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick [16:12] Updates above both for last week and this since I didn't notice until too late that last week's was cancelled. :-) [16:12] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick [16:12] Above the trend line in general, although we have a lot of work in progress so I do expect that to drop down in the near future, and especially at the sprint. [16:12] At the moment we have several things awaiting upstream feedback from various quarters (GRUB, Python, probably kernel in the near future, etc.), and several big chunks of work on branches such as the installer redesign. [16:12] We're also still picking up a lot of delayed merges, routine upstream updates, and the like. [16:13] There's also a list there of our progress on test rebuild bugs; I'm glad to see we're not the only team with a big list there ... [16:13] -- [16:13] heh...yeah, that was fun to go through [16:13] oh, and I have an ice cream. yum. [16:14] heh [16:14] questions for Foundations? [16:15] nice...moving on [16:15] * jdstrand wonders if it is too early for an ice cream here. may be a flavor ice... [16:15] [TOPIC] Server [16:15] New Topic: Server [16:15] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus [16:15] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus [16:15] for milestoned bugs: [16:15] jdstrand: it's never too early for ice cream ;) [16:15] bug 572317 [16:15] Launchpad bug 572317 in image-store-proxy (Ubuntu Maverick) "image-store does not support images without a ramdisk" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572317 [16:15] not sure if it should be set to critical - waiting on gustavo to add support in upstream [16:16] and bugs from the archive rebuild are being assigned [16:16] for milestoned specs: [16:16] server-maverick-apport-hooks [16:16] 20% [16:16] On Track [16:16] there is a whole bunch of other specs that are at 0% for now [16:16] due to lack of timely update [16:17] so - that's all from me [16:18] sorry for being short - I'm filling up for ttx at the last minute [16:18] mathiaz: feel free to lower the priority on bug 572317 [16:18] Launchpad bug 572317 in image-store-proxy (Ubuntu Maverick) "image-store does not support images without a ramdisk" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572317 [16:18] as it was opened by smoser and assigned to you all :) [16:18] so I'll agree with your team's judgment there [16:19] mathiaz, it is critical. [16:19] robbiew: righ - I'll lower it to high [16:19] image store will not function on maverick images without these fixes. [16:19] smoser: ok - we can discuss that later [16:19] smoser: it's milestoned for alpha3 and we're keeping an eye on it [16:19] and gustavo is aware. [16:20] * robbiew will let the server team fight it out :P [16:20] do you have any questions for the server team? [16:20] I don't...anyone else? [16:20] thanks mathiaz! [16:20] [TOPIC] Desktop [16:20] New Topic: Desktop [16:20] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus [16:20] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-maverick-alpha-3.html [16:20] . [16:20] We didn't see lot of progresses for alpha3 items yet, several team members were at conference (rmll, akademy) or on holidays. [16:20] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus [16:20] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-maverick-alpha-3.html [16:20] The firefox security update went out for hardy, lucid and maverick and most of the work is over so we should get our webbrowser maintainer for some other tasks. [16:20] The appmenu works seems working quite well now, we might switch UNE to not display menus in softwares but only in the indicator next week [16:20] . [16:20] The bugs assigned to our team are mailing build failures, some have been fixed already and others are under control to be fixed for this iteration [16:21] that's it for Ubuntu side, ScottK has the update for kubuntu [16:21] yeah...sorry to alarm folks with all the ftbfs bugs...but just wanted to make sure they were known [16:21] since Riddell is at akademy this week [16:21] Kubuntu status: [16:21] Desktop/Netbook ISO consolidation is complete, still need to clean up seeds and kubuntu-meta [16:21] KDE SC 4.5 RC 1 is uploaded [16:21] qmf and qtmobility are in the archive (qtmobility still in binary New) [16:21] All stop on armel due to qt4-x11 ICE (See Bug #603602) [16:21] Testing with the appmenu widget is going well, we plan to add it to the default nebook configuration for Alpha 3 [16:21] Launchpad bug 603602 in gcc-4.4 (Ubuntu) "ICE building qt4-x11 on armel" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603602 [16:21] Kubuntu Ninjas are putting their moves on KDE SC 4.5 release candidate 2 tars which have just been released by upstream [16:21] We need doko for 603602 [16:22] [ACTION] robbiew to alert doko to bug 603602 [16:22] ACTION received: robbiew to alert doko to bug 603602 [16:22] Questions? [16:23] thx seb128 and ScottK [16:23] [TOPIC] DX [16:23] New Topic: DX [16:23] njpatel, ^ [16:23] hi [16:23] howdy [16:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus [16:24] updated it with the latest statuses for the blueprints [16:26] njpatel: is that it? or are you multitasking [16:26] lol [16:27] I think the summary is on the wiki ;-) [16:27] njpatel, usually people give a summary on the channel as well ;-) [16:27] sorry, it's been some time since I've been in one of these meetings :) [16:27] Oh [16:27] So, netbook wise, things are good apart form the submenu bug [16:28] no worries, I can read [16:28] just wasn't sure if you were done :) [16:28] Sorry, I was expecting to answer some questions I guess :) [16:29] indicator-network is not going to be moving forward 'till platform sprint as kvalo is on holidays [16:29] the other indicator bits are in, but there are some bugs still to be ironed out with the appemnu stuff before we can switch off the native menubars [16:29] njpatel: do you think your team can address the 2 ftbfs bugs? [16:30] * njpatel looks [16:30] or should I push them over to Desktop :P [16:30] robbiew, give them to us [16:30] bah, do you have the links please? [16:30] they don't have upload rights to ubuntu anyway [16:30] njpatel, don't bother ;-) [16:30] seb128 doesn't trust me [16:30] :) [16:30] robbiew, the clutter one is already fixed [16:30] seb128, okay, thanks :) [16:31] the other one can be taken by desktop [16:31] sweet [16:31] thanks fellas === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [16:31] * robbiew skips User Experience [16:31] thanks, I'll be better prepared next week :) [16:32] as I don't think anyone is here to speak on it [16:32] njpatel: heh...no worries [16:32] I can give it a shot for fits and giggles "Brown is the new Black" [16:32] lol [16:33] "Senior Canonical manager skips user experience, apparently not important" - News at 11. [16:33] [TOPIC] ARM [16:33] New Topic: ARM [16:33] ScottK: heh [16:33] * ogra waves [16:33] to be fair, I didn't let her know [16:33] Detailed status at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick [16:33] ... [16:33] Short summary: [16:33] * omap kernel and preinstalled images enabled for alpha 2, daily builds for omap3 and omap4 are happening [16:33] * ongoing bugfixing work for preinstalled images [16:33] * ongoing work on main ftbfs: directfb was fixed [16:33] * work ongoing on KDE/Kubuntu stack [16:33] * working towards A3 [16:33] * improved-subarch-detection is currently blocked on cjwatson for review of design, and possible intergration with Debian. [16:33] ... [16:33] ...and I'm not THAT Senior :P [16:33] A3 Status: [16:33] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-maverick-alpha-3.html [16:33] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-maverick-alpha-3.html [16:33] (work only started last week so status doesnt look good yet) [16:33] ... [16:33] A3 targeted specs: [16:33] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-m-image-builds-without-root [16:34] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-m-lightweight-panel-for-efl [16:34] (waiting for DX team (ted) on that) [16:34] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-m-omap-edid-autodetection [16:34] ... [16:34] A3 targeted bugs: [16:34] bug 603604 [16:34] bug 591941 [16:34] Launchpad bug 603604 in u-boot-omap3 (Ubuntu Maverick) "u-boot in maverick lacks proper XM support" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603604 [16:34] bug 601226 [16:34] Launchpad bug 591941 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) "SDHC card not recognized" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/591941 [16:34] bug 600261 [16:34] Launchpad bug 601226 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Maverick) "Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference in ppdev module" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601226 [16:34] bug 600359 [16:34] Launchpad bug 600261 in Ubuntu CD Images "Need to calculate md5sums for arm preinstalled images" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600261 [16:34] Launchpad bug 600359 in ureadahead (Ubuntu Maverick) "ureadahead generating oom messages during boot." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600359 [16:34] bug 600487 [16:34] Launchpad bug 600487 in gnome-session (Ubuntu Maverick) "system fails to launch netbook-launcher-efl on arm system" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600487 [16:35] questions ? [16:36] none from me...anyone else? [16:37] thnx ogra [16:37] [TOPIC] MOTU [16:37] New Topic: MOTU [16:37] thx [16:37] nothing there...but I never skip them ;) [16:37] * robbiew sucks up to ScottK a bit [16:37] Heh [16:38] FTBFS numbers are still climbing, so that's a bit concerning [16:38] Once sparc dies things will get better, but pleanty of other things to do to [16:38] dyfet is supposed to also look at universe if his time permits [16:38] Nothing major to report, but while people are looking at FTBFS, Universe needs help ... [16:38] so you should have some help with the arm ftbfs [16:39] ogra: Great, because armel is next on the list after sparc. [16:39] (not sure how much his time permits though :) ) [16:39] That's it. [16:39] Sure. [16:39] thnx ScottK [16:39] [TOPIC] Derivatives [16:39] New Topic: Derivatives [16:40] [TOPIC] Linaro [16:40] New Topic: Linaro [16:40] * lool waves [16:40] o/ [16:41] No Jamie? [16:41] Well we had a release meeting yesterday for Linaro [16:41] Some infrastructure specs are not on target, but that doesn't affect Ubuntu; apart of that things are getting in shape [16:41] The key spec impacting Ubuntu is the Toolchain [16:42] Which is slated for release next Tuesday https://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/+milestone/4.4-2010.07 [16:42] (the toolchain is produced by a group which has monthly releases, hence the monthly milestone) [16:42] We're getting there [16:42] Sadly, doko's DSL had issues, so we still have a couple of things to discuss with him just to make sure he is happy with the deliverable [16:43] But we're confident that the Tuesday release will be ready for inclusion as gcc-4.4/armel [16:43] in Ubuntu [16:43] optionally, right ? [16:43] We hope it will be the default toolchain in armel [16:43] or do i have to expect 1mio ftbfs [16:43] Nah [16:43] k [16:43] we did a test rebuild on x86 [16:44] the two serious issues are bugs on the list [16:44] and we try to fix them for Tuesday [16:44] (before inclusion anyway) [16:44]