[04:03] <Agu10> hi
[04:04] <Agu10> I do music composition as a hobby
[04:04] <Agu10> but I like to use professional or semi-pro tools
[04:04] <Agu10> is it OK with the programs I can find for linux?
[04:04] <Agu10> or do I need Windows?
[04:04] <Agu10> and can I run some programs in Wine and connect / sync them with the ones on ubuntu?
[04:14] <Blank__> Agu10, depends... i've never done composition myself
[04:14] <Agu10> ok
[04:14] <Blank__> i'm probably not the best person to help, but considering no one else seems to be saying anything...
[04:14] <Agu10> why do most people use a Mac for this stuff?
[04:14] <Blank__> you might be able to use something like rosegarden or muse
[04:15] <Agu10> ok
[04:15] <Blank__> Agu10, presumably because of the amount of programs available for it
[04:16] <Blank__> i personally think there's an underlying psychological trend towards mac amongst creative types, whether people know it or not
[04:16] <Agu10> aren't there more for windows?
[04:16] <Blank__> subtle marketing and of course, jobs' reality distortion field
[04:16] <Blank__> there might be, but people associate cost with quality
[04:16] <Blank__> and mac has that kind of "quality" in spades
[04:16] <Agu10> I've heard people saying "garage band" is really good
[04:17] <Agu10> :S
[04:17] <Blank__> yeah... no
[04:17] <Agu10> I personally don't know about mac
[04:17] <Blank__> garage band is fine for simple stuff (or so i've heard), but you'll never catch me using it
[04:17] <Agu10> but even professional artists prefer to use macs
[04:18] <Agu10> on the other hand, I don't see why the competition will refuse to make pritty designs, as apple does
[04:18] <Blank__> i'm also guessing that they like to make themselves look contemporary and sophisticated by using apple's stuff
[04:18] <Agu10> mm
[04:19] <Agu10> I have an ipod touch :)
[04:19] <Agu10> that's all I have from apple
[04:19] <Blank__> unfortunately apple have a very good design team - their whole ideology revolves around sugar coating things
[04:19] <Blank__> then charging exorbitant prices for them
[04:20] <Agu10> yes, that's ok, but I don't understand why they're the only ones who achieve something eye-candy
[04:20] <Blank__> i guess you could say that different people gravitate towards different platforms... as such the focus of each is different
[04:20] <Agu10> yes
[04:21] <Agu10> I think it's like having jewels
[04:21] <Blank__> linux isn't really about eyecandy as much as it is about functionality; that scares some people away
[04:21] <Agu10> it's the feeling it gives them of having something really expensive and pritty
[04:21] <Agu10> and that everybody values it in some way
[04:21] <Blank__> (often "functionality" includes trying to get things working at all, regardless of the platform)
[04:21] <Blank__> exactly
[04:21] <Agu10> I sometimes start to feel like that
[04:22] <Blank__> that's why proprietary software is so successful - it has an intrinsic value, least of all in cost
[04:22] <Agu10> but then I think: what a stupid thing
[04:23] <Agu10> for example, I have a friend that likes to buy games, even if he's not going to play them
[04:23] <Blank__> hmm...
[04:23] <Agu10> because he claims it 'feels good'
[04:23] <Blank__> consumerism
[04:23] <Agu10> yes.
[04:23] <Agu10> but that only happens when you have too much money to spend
[04:24] <Agu10> that's why you don't see many macs here
[04:24] <Agu10> but you get to see many in europe, for example
[04:24] <Agu10> there's a lot of Ipad Ads on the streets in germany, but really a lot
[04:25] <Agu10> from little ads in the subway, to big buildings with an ipad picture
[04:25] <Blank__> that's one major factor... advertising
[04:25] <Agu10> while there aren't any here, in Argentina
[04:25] <Blank__> for the most part anything else isn't heard of
[04:25] <Agu10> noone has seen an ipad in a store here
[04:25] <Blank__> so people are bombarded with ads, and that sets up a trend in their mind...
[04:25] <Blank__> i'm sure a lot of people would like to know about alternatives but just don't bother to research
[04:26] <Agu10> and those ads don't even say anything about it. it's just a picture of a futuristic device that's a touch screen
[04:26] <Agu10> and it shows the ipad using Youtube and facebook
[04:26] <Agu10> Blank__, yeah
[04:26] <Blank__> i also can't stand touch-only devices.. give me my keyboard :o
[04:26] <Blank__> on screen things are no replacement to buttons in my opinion
[04:26] <Agu10> I wanted to buy the iphone because it has a lot of users, which would allow me to code cool stuff for it
[04:27] <Blank__> tide's turning in that regard
[04:27] <Agu10> but then I realized of the closeness of it. don't have a mac to code for it
[04:27] <Blank__> yeah, i always found that requirement ridiculous
[04:27] <Agu10> yes
[04:27] <Agu10> now I'm looking into android
[04:27] <Agu10> specially nexus one, but I'm waiting for nexus two, or something
[04:28] <Blank__> the thing about android is that it's not perfect, but it's really gaining market share right now
[04:28] <Agu10> I'm trying to run osx in vmware at the moment LOL
[04:28] <Blank__> and that in itself is a downfall; older devices get left behind when new software comes out
[04:28] <Agu10> yes
[04:28] <Agu10> and it's based on linux
[04:28] <Agu10> and it has a lot of open source community support
[04:28] <Blank__> i like to think of that as a win for the community :p
[04:29] <Agu10> but I want to buy the google cellphone, because it's the official one, and the one to get the latest updates of firmware and everything
[04:29] <Blank__> i think something that fuelled the uptake of android was the fact that the iphone was locked into at&t
[04:29] <Blank__> people wanted something similar, on their own provider
[04:29] <Agu10> Blank__, I believe Google is taking advantage of OS community against Microsoft
[04:30] <Blank__> Agu10, good on them :p
[04:30] <Agu10> Blank__, well, there's no AT&T here
[04:30] <Blank__> yeah... i think i meant the US
[04:30] <tucemiux> oh wow, we have visitors today
[04:30] <Blank__> that's where it's most popular so far
[04:30] <Agu10> but carriers would charge ridiculous prices for the iphone anyways
[04:31] <Agu10> more than buying it unlocked
[04:31] <Blank__> unfortunately android isn't very widely known here in australia, where there's about 40 iphones to every android phone
[04:31] <tucemiux> my next phone is going to be an android phone, that's for surely
[04:31] <Agu10> Blank__, it's very popular here anyways
[04:31] <Blank__> in fact, probably closer to 400
[04:32] <Blank__> when i got my G1 about a year ago, the shop i was at had sold just one before mine
[04:32] <Blank__> but they were shuffling iphones out the door every day
[04:33] <Blank__> the funniest thing i've noticed though, is that sometimes people stop and ask me about my phone when i'm on the train for instance
[04:33] <Blank__> almost everyone i talk to agrees about apple being too restrictive
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[17:22] <Agu10> hi
[17:23] <Agu10> where can I find a puredata irc?
[17:45] <Agu10> hi
[17:45] <Agu10> I'm trying pure data, but it doesn't make any sound
[17:45] <Agu10> I can still watch videos with sound, and hydrogen works fine too
[17:45] <Agu10> I have sound on every other program I trieda, except pure data
[17:45] <Agu10> what should I do?
[19:50] <eggandchips>  i want to install rakarrack on my opensuse kde 11.2.  i have tried before and always run into difficulties with JACK etc. What is the best way to get rakarrack going
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