[00:00] <SineDeviance> i only have about 15 running processes now
[00:00] <SineDeviance> i have killed all else
[00:01] <David-A> top or htop or "ps -aux | sort -k4" can you see what use the most?
[00:02] <SineDeviance> ps -aux | sort -k4
[00:02] <SineDeviance> er .. lol brb
[00:02] <SineDeviance> irssi is using the most @ 0.9%
[00:03] <SineDeviance> David-A: thats what i was saying. the numbers just dont add up.
[00:03] <SineDeviance> you think it could be a kernel bug?
[00:03] <pteague> how much ram do you have?
[00:03] <SineDeviance> 512 meg
[00:03] <SineDeviance> so this is using roughly over half my ram
[00:03] <SineDeviance> ... for absolutely nothing
[00:04] <SineDeviance> maybe i should reinstall again
[00:04] <knome> SineDeviance, for running the system
[00:04] <knome> SineDeviance, the minimum requirements are not 0MB for a reason ;)
[00:05] <SineDeviance> knome: i know the system shouldn't use 300 megs of ram just to run a text interface.
[00:05] <SineDeviance> should be closer to 100 megs
[00:05] <SineDeviance> my server is running crunchbang 9.04.1 in text mode and is only using about 150 megs of ram, thats with apache/mysql and such running.
[00:06] <SineDeviance> i am going to try a different kernel i think
[00:06] <knome> SineDeviance, i suppose there is still some more services running in xubuntu
[00:06] <knome> SineDeviance, though you are right that 300 is somewhat much, but still :)
[00:06] <SineDeviance> knome: i killed all of those processes
[00:07] <SineDeviance> there is nothing except irssi and htop running on the system in userland now. and i killed most of the root threads. there is no gui-related stuff running.
[00:07] <SineDeviance> including all the kernel threads, i show about 30 processes in htop
[00:07] <knome> SineDeviance, the kernels are not optimized, eg. they have stuff you don't really need
[00:07] <SineDeviance> er 70, sorry
[00:07] <pteague> you're also running various hardware modules... if you really want to run lightweight you should look at compiling things yourself & using uclibc i think it is? been a while since i did floppy based firewalls
[00:08] <SineDeviance> guys, none of this explains why it was only using 200 megs running xfce4 at idle yesterday and now it's using 400 megs
[00:08] <knome> pteague, have you tried looking at alsamixer (re: audio)
[00:08] <SineDeviance> something has changed
[00:08] <knome> SineDeviance, you probably did some updates?
[00:09] <SineDeviance> knome: i installed two packages. openoffice was one of them, and openttd was the other.
[00:09] <pteague> knome, yeah, it's only showing front mic, surround, center, lfe, side, & mic as being muted, everything else (including front) is not muted
[00:09] <SineDeviance> those programs aren't even running so that doesnt mean anything
[00:09] <SineDeviance> this is for all intents and purposes a fresh install
[00:09] <pteague> wtf? hold on... i just changed something & suddenly heard sound \o/
[00:10] <pteague> knome, yep, that was it... surround... which apparently didn't matter before now suddenly matters
[00:10] <SineDeviance> even after i did a full apt-get upgrade of the system and rebooted, it was only using ~200 megs of ram
[00:11] <knome> pteague, please, do not use even non-family-friendly abbreviations :)
[00:11] <pteague> fudge is yummy
[00:12] <SineDeviance> brb
[00:12] <David-A> pteague: do you have one of those new computers with 5 or 6 colored audio plugs at the back? i mean is surround settings mattered?
[00:14] <SineDeviance> woah
[00:14] <SineDeviance> i just rebooted the system and like magic it's only using 142 megs of ram
[00:14] <knome> on my audigy 2 platinum ex, i have to turn up "analog mix" to hear *anything*
[00:14] <pteague> David-A, yes i do, but i've not changed any of my mute settings for a while which is why i'm somewhat dumbfounded... i think pulseaudio must have been doing something & then crashed... & then the updates i downloaded today before my reboot must have either changed the mute settings or changed how they worked
[00:22] <David-A> pteague: good it works no. i am no fan of pulseaudio. i think it tries to be smart. fun on ubuntu: open alsamixer in terminal, change volume in panel, watch master and pcm in terminal.
[00:23] <knome> David-A, best fun on ubuntu: do not use a gui mixer
[00:24] <pteague> i'm hoping that it was pulse audio that was causing my volume to be insanely low... i couldn't hear low voices in movies... had to play them on the other box & pipe the sound in via line-in (i'm too lazy to move the headphone jack around between boxes)
[00:25] <David-A> :)
[00:27] <pteague> now that i'm looking at the mixers... i'm noticing that surround isn't on my xfce mixer which means it didn't have any affect on anything before... i went through & mute/unmuted the various channels & removed the "useless" channels from my mixer
[00:29] <SineDeviance> David-A, my system is fine now. dunno what happened. maybe a memory leak in the kernel?
[00:42] <pteague> SineDeviance, you just needed to wait until i was able to resolve my issue before yours would auto-resolve ;)
[00:42] <SineDeviance> maybe so :D
[01:02] <David-A> hat dot-files to keep, or to skip, when moving from xubuntu to fedora? (a list of dot-file-names, or a program to produce such a list)
[01:02] <David-A> hat->what
[01:08] <pteague> David-A, in ~ ?
[01:10] <David-A> pteague: yes, dot-files and dot-dirs. I have made a list of what I THINK i want to keep, but i am not sure, so i would like a definite list by somone or from a program.
[01:12] <pteague> should be able to keep all of them depending on versions
[01:12] <neozen> meaning..... a mapping from .files/dirs to applications which created them....... name should be understandable
[01:13] <pteague> may also depend on what packages are available... i.e. if you've got some plugin on 1 that isn't available on the other it might cause a problem depending on how the program is set up
[01:13] <David-A> pteague: fedora choked on a complete copy of home, and looked strange on a big subset.
[01:13] <neozen> ahhhh
[01:13] <pteague> David-A, how different were the versions?
[01:13] <neozen> David-A: choked how exactly?
[01:14] <David-A> xubuntu 9.04 -> fedora 13 xfce
[01:15] <pteague> no, versions of the software... i.e. there's a difference between subversion 1.4 & 1.6
[01:15] <David-A> neozen: choked, login fails and comes back to login screen. nothing in .xsessionerrors (could be some locale not installed yet)
[01:17] <neozen> David-A: ....bad times..... strange that login would completely fail
[01:18] <neozen> David-A: *seems strange
[01:18] <knome> good night and good luck with all the problems
[01:18] <David-A> pteague: currently there is about 58 dot-files on my keep-list. i am sure a lot of them has new versions in fedora 13 compared to xubuntu 9.04
[01:18] <pteague> i know i had problems with my kde config files between i think it was hardy & intrepid
[01:19] <pteague> xfce only had some slight issues between jaunty & koala i think it was
[01:19] <neozen> ....well... if they're newer.... they should be able to process / update older format of config files..... AFAIK that's best practice when you change your config file / DTS
[01:19] <David-A> has (pl) -> have
[04:03] <Chaorain> I:m looking to join a wireless network. I can:t find the button
[04:04] <Raggs> on the panel to the left of the clock?
[04:05] <Chaorain> uh I don:t see any panel. I:m running Mythbuntu which uses xfce if that makes a difference
[04:06] <Raggs> i dont know how similar the too are
[04:06] <Raggs> two
[04:10] <Chaorain> oh wow, its there but the theme makes it impossible to see
[04:10] <Raggs> glad it is there
[04:17] <pteague> Chaorain, you figure it out?
[07:26] <GonardFreeman> hi people)
[07:27] <GonardFreeman> any body know, is there some "xubuntu-panel" command , like gnome-panel?
[07:28] <bazhang> !panels
[07:29] <GonardFreeman> thx
[07:29] <GonardFreeman> desappear
[07:29] <GonardFreeman> disappear)
[08:12] <danjac> Hi, having a problem with my Xubuntu 10.04 install on Acer Aspire One. Was working perfectly before, but latest upgrade seems to have broken CouchDB. After reboot it immediately uses up all memory, so I have to kill it. Is there good reason to keep CouchDB on my install, or can I safely remove it ?
[08:14] <well_laid_lawn> !info couchdb
[08:14] <well_laid_lawn> seems it might be ok to remove - just check what has to go with it
[08:17] <danjac> Might be safer to remove from startup programs until bug is fixed.
[08:27] <danjac> this looks like this bug: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1498474
[08:32] <danjac> also this: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/05/lucid-dream-ars-reviews-ubuntu-1004.ars/9
[08:32] <danjac> it could be that Gwibber needs to be removed as well.
[08:36] <danjac> OK, couch and gwibber removed, works fine. Don't understand why Canonical don't just use SQLite for desktop storage.
[08:55] <err_sql> hi. anybody here?
[08:56] <err_sql> i have a xubuntu 6.06 installed on an imac g3, and i can't install 3 mobile broadband
[09:07] <Sysi> !6.06 | err_sql
[09:10] <bazhang> that maybe should be !ppc
[09:11] <Sysi> also
[09:11] <bazhang> err_sql, any reason not to try the much more recent builds of ah he quit
[09:13] <Sysi> g3 is low-end
[09:14] <bazhang> err_sql, any reason not to use a much more recent version of xubuntu? perhaps a more recent kernel would have support for that
[09:15] <Sysi> 6.06 repos are mostly down, and it has old kernel and networkmanager
[09:19] <bazhang> thats an ancient kernel
[09:19] <Sysi> ancient OS :p
[09:52] <mtrg> Hi, how to position my 2nd monitor?
[09:54] <bazhang> mtrg, using xrandr?
[09:57] <mtrg> bazhang: any GUI?
[09:58] <bazhang> mtrg, does xrandr have a gui? is that your question? have you read the wiki for it?
[09:58] <bazhang> !xrandr
[10:06] <mtrg> news
[10:07] <mtrg> X.org is complicated
[10:07] <mtrg> ARandR worked great -- thanks
[10:08] <mtrg> how to make my track pointer faster?
[10:08] <mtrg> more sensitive
[11:57] <slow-motion> hi
[12:18] <mtrg> what is the window manager xubntu uses?
[12:18] <TheSheep> xfwm4
[12:20] <mtrg> TheSheep: I want to use a theme that happens to use metacity WM -- should I replace xfwm4?
[12:21] <TheSheep> use it on ubuntu
[12:21] <mtrg> ubuntu uses metacity wm?
[12:21] <TheSheep> yes
[12:21] <mtrg> why shouldn't I use it on xfce -- just replacing xfwm4
[12:22] <TheSheep> because xfwm4 is part of xfce
[12:22] <mtrg> that's weird then..
[12:22] <mtrg> http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/The+Days+of+Grays?content=122249
[12:23] <mtrg> that's it
[12:23] <Sysi> you lose xfce features if you use metacity
[12:23] <TheSheep> that's a gtk theme, not window manager theme
[12:23] <Sysi> xfce/xfwm
[12:23] <TheSheep> you don't need a specific window manager to use it
[12:23] <mtrg> i know
[12:23] <mtrg> but there, it says "metacity theme included"
[12:23] <Sysi> you can find nice looking xfwm theme
[12:28] <mtrg> so then that must be an xfwm theme
[12:29] <mtrg> is there any xfwm theme named metacity
[12:29] <Sysi> what
[12:29] <mtrg> ignore
[12:29] <mtrg> where should xfwm themes be placed?
[12:30] <Sysi> ~/.themes/
[12:30] <Sysi> you need to create that hidden folder yourself
[12:30] <mtrg> yeah, did it works
[12:30] <mtrg> well, it then seems that guy wants me to use metacity
[13:29] <mtrg> great
[13:30] <mtrg> xubuntu is fine distro
[13:30] <mtrg> only because it's bloated with apps so I can test them
[13:30] <mtrg> i'll go to gentoo when i know what's there and what i need :D
[17:02] <slow-motion> bye
[17:53] <sealive> hi from Germany -> got a Quest about connecting a Xbuntu Hardy via ethernet to share the internet connection of a lucid Desktow with wlan access
[18:05] <sealive> someone can help me please ?
[18:06] <likemindead> You want to set up an adhoc network?
[18:06] <sealive> yes
[18:07] <likemindead> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/creating-an-adhoc-host-with-ubuntu.html
[18:07] <likemindead> More: http://duckduckgo.com/?q=adhoc+Ubuntu
[18:08] <sealive> issue a lucid i386 has www access thru a wlan . a xbuntu is connectet to the lucid via eth cable and can ping it
[18:08] <sealive> i did http://pastebin.com/2ZJg1MV9 on the lucid
[18:09] <sealive> likemindead: no this is not a adhok sorry iam german
[18:11] <bazhang> !ics
[18:11] <likemindead> I'm sorry, I'm not sure what it is you're trying to do, sealive.
[18:12] <likemindead> Ah! Try ics I suppose! ;-] (Thanks, bazhang.)
[18:12] <sealive> likemindead: ok thanks
[18:13] <sealive> YES you got it !
[18:13] <sealive> http://pastebin.com/2ZJg1MV9 this is my lucid setup that is the -s ip for shoudent this be 0.1
[18:16] <sealive> i do not now why but it works
[18:16] <sealive> so by
[19:18] <GonardFreeman> hillo to all
[19:19] <GonardFreeman> who knows, how to install theme with extention .tar.gz?
[19:20] <Sysi> right click → extract here
[19:21] <Sysi> create (hidden) folder named .themes to your home folder
[19:21] <Sysi> and copy it to there
[19:23] <GonardFreeman> thx
[20:09] <PrebenR> why isn't thuar the default program when one choose "open container folder" in firefox download? I tired of closing easytag
[20:12] <shawn1> I have a question about the minimum system requirements of ubuntu
[20:12] <shawn1> I'm trying to run it on the following system and it fails
[20:12] <PrebenR> yes
[20:13] <shawn1> Intel Celeron (Covington) Processor 266Mhz/66Mhz FSB, 3 GB Hard Drive, and 256MB of RAM
[20:14] <PrebenR> better try : damn small linux, puppy linux or tiny core linux
[20:15] <PrebenR> ubuntu would run extremely slow on it
[20:15] <PrebenR> or you could try arch linux
[20:15] <PrebenR> latter is advanced, but you will learn a lot
[20:16] <PrebenR> HTH
[20:17] <PrebenR> I would recommend you start with puppy linux
[20:32] <shawn1> o.o
[23:20] <ecc> how do you span across multiple monitors? ubuntu desktop works fine but xubuntu won't let me
[23:21] <Kangarooo> hello what about alpha 1 ? cant download from xubuntu
[23:22] <Raggs> Kangarooo,  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/maverick/alpha-2/
[23:22] <Raggs> alpha2 though
[23:23] <Tuna-Fish2> without pulseaudio and with 2 alsa sound devices, how can I choose which one I want to play something back to?
[23:23] <Kangarooo> ah ok so the newer the better i want to try that 10.10 but in website that link then is wrong
[23:23] <Kangarooo> alpha1 link doesnt work. or it should be maybe better removed and new info posted
[23:24] <Sysi> daily works ~always
[23:25] <Sysi> i installed it via netinstall, grub install failed so i installed LILO, now i was able to install grub from booted system
[23:25] <ecc> right now the image is mirrored on both  monitors, i just want to use each separate
[23:26] <Sysi> xrandr
[23:26] <Sysi> !xrandr
[23:26] <Sysi> !info arandr
[23:31] <ecc> lots of options trying to find the one to split the two
[23:33] <Sysi> usually --left/right-of
[23:33] <ecc> xrandr --output FOO --right-of BAR
[23:33] <Kangarooo> when i put xubuntu cd in comp in xubuntu then where to look to see witch date release it is?
[23:35] <ecc> thanks