[03:29] pleia2: around? [03:32] jcastro: yep [03:32] those ubuntu women marketing materials look quite amazing! [03:33] is there a plan for shirts? [03:33] yeah, Troy did a really amazing job [03:33] troy's awesome [03:33] oh oh can i go update the shirt design i made with the new logos then? [03:33] I've been talking to Cathy Malmrose of ZaReason about some resellers she uses for t-shirts [03:33] maco: please do! :) [03:34] count me in for 4-5 shirts! [03:34] have you talked to someone at zazzle? [03:34] they do the mozilla store iirc [03:34] akgraner had some shirts printed up by zazzle, I don't know anything about the quality, etc of those [03:34] pleia2's been talking to actual high quality printers local to her [03:34] \o/ [03:34] which reminds me: please no cafepress [03:35] ink fade :( [03:35] maco: do you know how they are for other things, like coffee mugs? [03:35] I am not too keen on them for clothes, but I was wondering about other items [03:35] pleia2: gnome and mozilla use zazzle [03:35] they appear to be quite awesome, no idea on price or specifics tho [03:36] all i have from cafepress is at shirt [03:36] a t shirt [03:36] price seemed high to me at zazzle [03:36] but we'll spec out some ideas [03:36] yeah :-/ [03:36] I have like 4 tshirt stores local to me, so if you run into a dead end lmk [03:36] I happen to live within a mile of like all 4 of them [03:37] dunno how I got so lucky, hah [03:37] the california team got our shirts from a local place, but the women's t-shirts are actually see-through [03:37] jcastro: do you have SVGs of the new logos? [03:37] I am thankful for the donation, but I have to wear another shirt under mine when I wear my CA T :) [03:37] ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu studio, uw, and edubuntu are all on the shirt design i made [03:37] jcastro: have you seen that? [03:37] maco: links please! [03:37] no I don't have svgs [03:38] jcastro: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Ideas/TShirtDesigns [03:38] (if you want svgs perhaps ask ken wimer?) [03:38] but of course all the logos have to be replaced now [03:38] and i guess the font where it says ubuntu women [03:38] the vines are cool! [03:38] pleia2: the ubuntu font for that you think? [03:39] oh hey, I thought about something today [03:39] jcastro: thanks [03:39] maco, jcastro: would you like svg versions? [03:39] doctormo: yes please [03:39] doctormo: not me personally, but she does [03:39] jcastro: do you see an easter egg on that design? [03:39] maco:what was the original made in? [03:39] doctormo: inkscape [03:39] I see the debian swirl if that's what you mean [03:39] jcastro: yep :) [03:39] maco: I got you beat! [03:39] doctormo: well, i mean...paper and pencil...and then inkscape [03:39] lol [03:40] maco: ok I lie, emma jane's got you beat, she gave us hand made blankets for a wedding gift [03:40] with hidden debian swirls! [03:40] maco: Ah so what happened to the svg versions? are they lost int he sands of time or just with someone else? [03:40] maco: remind me later and I'll take a picture [03:40] i didnt have a tablet yet at the time, so i drew on paper, then scanned and did an autotrace in inkscape, then manually cleaned it up [03:40] doctormo: on my hard disk [03:41] doctormo: the wiki just wouldnt display svg right or something so i uploaded a png [03:41] maco: yeah, I'd go with the new ubuntu font [03:41] doctormo: hey wait there's a *link* to the svg! [03:41] hey so anyway I did a komen walk a few months ago and they have like, teams of people [03:41] and I was thinking it'd be cool to have an ubuntu logo with the pink ribbon [03:41] maco: OK, so you don't need an svg, you already have one? Just trying to make sure before I retrace this design. [03:42] but I have not thought this through, I only thought about it a few hours ago [03:42] doctormo: i need svgs of the new logos so i can modify my existing svg of that design to have the new ones [03:42] doctormo: because those are the old colourful logos [03:42] I am not sure if xubuntu ever got around to making a new logo [03:42] weren't they the first after ubuntu to do so? [03:42] * pleia2 's only input was "Make sure it still has the mouse, we love the mouse, I use xubuntu because of the mouse" [03:43] they never settled on one [03:43] i thought cody pulled one out of the hat immediately [03:43] maco: So a new logo for ubuntu women hasn't been created yet, or hasn't been put up for download in svg? [03:43] maco: there were a few drafts, no decision [03:43] doctormo: we have svg for UW. i dont know where to find SVG for kubuntu or ubuntu or xubuntu or ubuntu studio [03:43] i imagine the ubuntu branding page has an ubuntu one *somewhere* [03:43] did studio get a new logo? [03:44] maco: cool, link me to the new svg for uw and I'll put it in my collection. [03:44] ive only seen png versions for kubuntu though :-/ [03:44] i'll have to bother jonathan later [03:44] doctormo: http://www.ubuntu-women.org/img/ubuntu-women-community-identity/ [03:45] (they're also available here, but it's 160M of stuff and contains tons of other design elements: https://code.launchpad.net/~troy-sobotka/+junk/ubuntu-women-community-identity ) [03:45] in particular http://www.ubuntu-women.org/img/ubuntu-women-community-identity/ubuntu-women-cof.svg [03:47] any ideas for a breast cancer ubuntu shirt? [03:47] * jcastro jumps up and down for attention [03:47] jcastro: would munnies go to the breast cancer people? cuz putting the pink ribbon there without donating is icky [03:48] the way I've seen it work is people make their own shirts [03:48] and walk/run in events and the money goes to the charity [03:48] hey jcastro [03:48] but it would be cool if there was an "official" shirt that had X% going to the fund, like other organizations do [03:49] jcastro: are we doing a coders for brest cancer thing or something? [03:49] +1 jcastro [03:49] jcastro: my grandmother just got thru fighting brest cancer, I'm here to help [03:49] with the ubuntu new ubuntu logo you could replace the small circle of fiends at the end with the pink ribbon [03:49] paultag: no I was just thinking outloud, I did a walk a few months ago [03:49] jcastro: ahha [03:49] but it came up in my head today [03:49] jcastro: I'm down to help if you need it [03:49] because my wife was like "there's some party on friday and miss michigan will be there but you need to dress up and pay money" [03:49] and I was like "screw that" [03:50] oooh apparently i organized things on my hard drive at some point [03:50] then today I was wearing the cancer shirt and she was like "you could have just worn that?" [03:50] instead of being on ~/Desktop/ the vine design is in ~/Pictures/designs/UW/ surprisingly [03:50] then she tells me the entire event is a breast cancer fundraiser [03:50] so now all my family thinks I'm too lazy/cheap to go to a fundraiser because I was never paying attention [03:51] oh oh [03:51] you just referred to jill as your wife! weeeeeeeeee! [03:51] Oh noe!!!! [03:51] maco: it's been a month! [03:51] paultag: miss ohio is there too! (Her step brother is miss michigan's boyfriend) [03:51] so anyway, I'm wearing this susan komen shirt today [03:51] jcastro: Wa wa wee wa, how old? [03:52] and I was like "we can so do an ubuntu team" [03:52] sort of like how leann and dustin wear ubuntu shirts when they do marathons [03:52] we could do ubuntu shirts during the komen marches around the country [03:52] paultag: 25ish I guess? [03:53] jcastro: but seriously, can we do something for breast cancer? [03:53] so yeah, I think so [03:54] jcastro: the susan komen logo looks like a pink ribbon/ person [03:54] duanedesign: yeah, so, circle of friends them. :D [03:54] the pSoF [03:54] Circle is spelled with a C paultag [03:55] Doh!!! [03:55] wow, bad mistake [03:55] it's ok, you have an ohio education [03:55] jcastro: I grew up in Boston! [03:55] jcastro: but my University would be proud [03:55] okay, I hate to be a bit of a naysayer here, but if you're going to do an official Ubuntu breast cancer shirt, are you going to have a problem if people start designing their own in support of other causes? [03:55] jcastro: at least it's not michigan state [03:55] now we know what doctormo's progeny have to look forward to for education! [03:55] it has the circle at the top. if you added two more circles you would almost have an ubuntu loogo [03:55] Pendulum: I have no idea how it works, I am thinking outloud [03:55] or what're you going to do if they start bringing their causes to you and saying "do one of this too" [03:55] how do you cut it off? [03:56] right [03:56] Pendulum: run it through the community, I guess [03:56] "ubuntu users for the erradication of non-metal music" [03:56] -1 [03:56] jcastro: sometimes just making something pink is enought o associatte it with breast cancer [03:56] haha [03:56] -1 [03:56] bah! [03:56] jcastro: ubuntu user for the promotion of electro-anarcho-punk-funk-rock-folk [03:57] punk funk? [03:57] wait i wanna hear this [03:57] we did do the ubuntu one music store proceeds for the lynx [03:57] Man, I'll have to do some digging [03:57] sec [03:57] personally, while I support breast cancer research, I feel like it's a big fundraiser thing when a lot of other just as deserving issues get ignored (for the record, my grandmother has breast cancer and will for the rest of her life) [03:57] of course the trademark situation has to be taken into account, I'm even somewhat shy to offer ubuntu women shirts via a store like zazzle because of it [03:58] pleia2: yeah, thats something we have to go talk to canonical lawyers about right? because thered be $ happening [03:58] jono said talk to lawyers, he cant bless it [03:58] Pendulum: yeah, it's a weird topic. tbh it wasn't until I learned of a relative who I didn't even know dying from it I would have been obivious [03:58] maco: yeah, elky went through some pain when she worked at a store selling ubuntu, they couldn't sell ubuntu shirts [03:58] s/selling ubuntu/selling ubuntu pcs [03:58] pleia2: i thought it was "she couldnt get a discount on shirts and got annoyed"? [03:59] maco: this is a rad track http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME9cHn6j88o&feature=related [03:59] they said she'd have to buy them at the canonical store online and mark them up [03:59] no, her only option was paying full price from the canonical store and passing along that to the customers, they couldn't make any [03:59] oh, no markup allowed? dang [03:59] why not make your own like locos do? [03:59] maco: that or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPallS7LMlE <-- but this is remixed mainstream [03:59] jcastro: the issue is using the ubuntu logo [03:59] I think selling loco shirts for profit is a somewhat grey area [03:59] +1 pleia2 [04:00] oh, I see, for profit [04:00] pleia2: imho if it's for a loco it's cool, but for personal gain is a bit off without going through Canonical [04:00] pleia2: I think Canonical has the same view [04:00] jcastro: well even if UW puts no markup, zazzle's making a profit by selling 'em for us, see? [04:00] * jcastro nods [04:00] jcastro: for the record, my grandmother isn't actually dying of it, but she was 87 when diagnosed and they opted for conservative treatment because surgery and then chemo or radiation probably had at least as good a chance of killing her as the cancer does [04:01] however i think a small markup for UW might be interesting to fund some of the group initiatives... [04:01] ok, I'll ask internally about how things like this work [04:01] I don't actually know where canonical would come down on these things, but I do keep it in mind, especially when we start talking about using the logo beyond "team" stuff [04:01] aye [04:01] pleia2: it's a tough road I am sure [04:01] on one hand you want people to do awesome thing [04:02] on the other you want to make sure that "ubuntu members for killing babies" isn't possible [04:02] but then all of a sudden the ubuntu logo is promoting pro-life marches ;) [04:02] ach! [04:02] over my dead body :( [04:02] * nigelb yawns [04:02] morning folks [04:02] hey nigelb, all ready for User Days? :D [04:02] pleia2: oh yes [04:03] \o/ [04:03] though I just realized today is second saturday [04:03] which means banks are closed and no way for me to get some stuff done [04:03] oh dang. [04:03] guess you'll have to stay home with us [04:03] *grumble* [04:03] i have to figure out what im gonna say [04:03] and umm what time my thing is [04:03] lol [04:04] LOL [04:04] and umm...also write some ruby and scheme (and i dont know those languages! plz help me!) [04:04] maco: you're after me [04:04] so I think you're at 6PM Eastern [04:04] ruby was due 2 weeks ago and scheme was due wednesday and im stuck :( [04:04] I'm glad she remembers she's taking a session :p [04:04] and I should go to bed so I can be awake in 6 hours :( [04:04] ruby should be ok [04:05] scheme = compiler design or something? [04:05] i cant figure out how to access member variables of a class instance [04:05] no, scheme is a lisp [04:05] ah [04:05] paultag should know [04:05] i did compiler design a year ago [04:06] Im still yet to figure out what time it starts [04:07] ha! its at 3 pm [04:07] I guess I'm the only one with a comfortable time zone :D [04:08] * nigelb nudges pleia2 :p [04:08] hehe [04:08] jcastro: http://ln-s.net/7E83 [04:09] hahah that's awesome [04:09] :) tux fights breast cancer [04:17] maco: might wanna join #ubuntu-classroom-backstage before you take your session :) [04:41] maco: what do you want us to introduce you as? [04:43] um mackenzie? [04:43] dont introduce me as sarah or something... [04:43] haha [04:43] no [04:44] I mean a short paragraph about you [04:50] Hahahaha [04:50] sec, darn internet [04:52] paultag: I got one for you :D [04:53] one internet? [04:54] pleia2: oh no, intro [04:54] oh, that :) [04:54] pleia2: I'm taking the freedom of making stuff up for maco coz she's lazy to write her own [04:55] lol [04:55] make one up for me too, I still need to write my class [04:56] sure :) [04:56] :) [04:57] oh yay mango in the morning [04:59] maco, pleia2: http://imagebin.ca/view/KtcTtfl.html [05:00] doctormo: wow, that's pretty! [05:00] doctormo: can you write a few sentences about you on http://ubuntu-classroom.ietherpad.com/1 ? [05:00] nigelb: Sure thing [05:00] doctormo: beautiful! [05:01] * nigelb lols @ doctormo's intro [05:04] nigelb: Anything I've missed? [05:04] nope [05:06] pleia2: Any responses for the loco interview? [05:06] doctormo: Any chance of you using your artistic talent to create a tshirt design for Ubuntu Chicago ? We have everything in Chicago, just no artists [05:07] doctormo: none yet, but there don't tend to be for these [05:07] and thanks for doing the interview :) [05:08] maco: would it be horrid to add in a foss flower? http://doctormo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/floss1-248x300.png [05:08] nhandler: What kind of tshirt and what would you want it to show off/symbolise? [05:11] doctormo: It is probably worth waiting on nixternal (he has the most artistic talent out of all of us). But http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-chicago is really the only artwork we have besides http://www.flickr.com/photos/kgelster/4181006489/in/faves-nhandler/ . We are just trying to come up with some shirt that looks decent enough for us to wear at events [05:11] doctormo: ask pleia2. she's our lizard [05:12] lizard? [05:12] I'll just make something up [05:12] most of our ideas are pretty basic "logo and words" - this one was pretty, eye-catching, showing ubuntu and lots of flavors, lots of ways to get involved and stuff [05:13] since the goal of the project is to inspire and encourage [05:13] pleia2: Could I add a foss logo to the vine design? something small? [05:13] yeah, I think it's fine [05:14] i'm glad doctormo understood that the logos were meant to be the flowers on the vine [05:14] nigelb: ever read the hitchhikers guide? [05:14] maco: It helps that you named the layer: [flowers] ;-) [05:14] "take me to your lizard" [05:14] maco: ahhh [05:14] doctormo: oh did i? [05:14] * maco pats past-me on the head [05:14] hehe [05:14] maco: Heh, almost as good as "I call my cat The Lord" [05:15] pleia2: im a kubuntu user. you think i was gonna make a design that just had ubuntu logo? pfffffffffft [05:15] plus, blue is prettier [05:16] yes [05:16] like when i did that kubuntu/kde session filling in for celeste [05:16] xubuntu blue i prettier than kubuntu [05:16] kubuntu is a lot of eyewash [05:16] "why do all the girls like kde?" "because its prettier than gnome!" [05:16] * nigelb runs. Fast. [05:16] nigelb: +1 [05:16] and then pleia2 going "hey! i like gnome!" [05:16] no no, I like xfce :) [05:16] FLUXBOX! [05:17] oh. ok maybe you said "i dont like kde" then :P [05:17] yeah probably [05:17] paultag: quoting you "fluxbox is for kids" [05:17] paultag: actually, I have 4 computers at home - 1 has xfce, 1 has gnome, 2 have fluxbox [05:17] w00t [05:17] pleia2: that's my package :3 [05:17] <3 u [05:17] aww [05:17] gnome on the netbook is nice because it's easy clicky for wifi and stuff [05:18] pleia2: you can run GNOME on Fluxbox [05:18] just ditch compiz and metacity [05:18] paultag: actually... both the fluxbox machines are debian [05:18] w00t!!! [05:18] pleia2: that's my baby right there [05:18] pleia2: testing? [05:18] or stable [05:19] stable, so not yours yet [05:19] one of the machines is my firewall+lots of other stuff I consolidated into one machine [05:19] the other is my million year old laptop [05:19] Ugh, I can't write about myself [05:20] just make stuff up, that's what I do [05:21] include superpowers [05:21] and on the 19th day, paultag created elephants! [05:21] and then mated them with sheep to make snuffleupagus [05:21] Oh man [05:21] hahahah [05:21] I actually really want to use that [05:21] * nigelb LOLs [05:21] Can anyone give me the new beta of the ubuntu font? I can't seem to get it because I won't put my launchpad password into my apt list file. [05:22] doctormo: your lp password doesnt go in there..... [05:22] goddamnit doctormo [05:22] doctormo: it's not your darn lp password [05:22] doctormo: a long hash thingy goes in there [05:22] doctormo: I told you this, it's a unique hash [05:22] its an auth key [05:22] +1 maco [05:22] you can reset it doctormo [05:22] paultag: *shrug* [05:22] doctormo: it's not even a hash of your password, SHAZBOT [05:22] paultag: Where is the big red button that says GO [05:23] no need :) [05:23] paultag: Oh you'll just send me the ttf by email? [05:24] doctormo: cant download the deb through lp? [05:24] nope [05:24] no doctormo [05:24] doctormo: that's bad :( [05:24] doctormo: because you won't get updates [05:24] Besides I can't jump into sysadmin mode while I'm in art mode, can someone send it me before I have to ditch art mode? [05:24] doctormo: just download it off the ppa over http [05:24] doctormo: just hit your ppa via http [05:24] doctormo: and download the .deb [05:25] doctormo: fsck it I'll send you a deb, but _not_ the ttf [05:25] haha [05:25] * maco wouldnt know what to do with it if handed a ttf [05:25] i think i would run "find / -name *.ttf" to see where the rest of them are [05:25] maco: somewhere in /usr/ I think [05:25] /usr/share/fonts or something [05:26] well i might try locate, but i think you have to know the actual file name not just *.ttf with that [05:26] so i think id try locate, get it wrong, and resort to a slow find [05:26] :) [05:26] Wait I think I may have found something [05:26] k doctormo [05:26] doctormo: I just sent it, so bah [05:27] AlanBell: ping, poke, and everything else that hurts [05:27] OK. I need sleep [05:27] night paultag [05:27] night nigelb. My stuff is in order. Be sure to include the maco quote [05:27] ubuntu-private-nda-fonts - wow, they should have just called it: copy-and-die.deb [05:27] night pleia2 :) [05:27] doctormo: darn skippy [05:27] doctormo: 'night! [05:27] paultag: LOL [05:27] thanks paultag, you get cudos anyway! [05:28] paultag: you want it as a quote or integrated in? [05:28] nigelb: either way works, I think it will set the tone of how I'm going to present stuff [05:28] it's just goofy enough to be right [05:28] thanks maco :3 [05:28] doctormo: plotical? im guessing you mean political [05:29] (i just changed it on etherpad. tell me if i changed wrongly) [05:29] plotical is funnier [05:32] doctormo: the "nda" in the name is a bug, we're fixing that [05:32] jcastro: I figured it was just something like that, I just wanted to be funny. [05:32] it's a fair question! [05:33] pleia2: I agree, it is funnier, I wonder how I can make a plotical blog. [05:37] you gues! [05:37] *guys! [05:37] i spelled "snuffleupagus" right! [05:38] (but not guys. and which one is only four letters, hmmm???) [05:38] hahah [05:38] maco: its like in maths [05:38] oh golly [05:38] maths [05:39] I can get differentiation and integration right [05:39] but miss 3+2 [05:39] im going to cringe every time i have to say maths [05:39] why? [05:39] because in the US it's singular [05:40] though actually Keybuk, who is british, agrees that math is more right than maths [05:40] because you don't abbreviate something and then keep the plural s [05:40] * nigelb grns [05:40] *grins [05:40] if you're removing ematic from the middle of mathematics, you're going to need an apostrophe to make up for it: math's [05:41] (besides that, ths is an annoying sound to try to make) [05:52] maco, pleia2: wallpaper version: http://imagebin.ca/view/mogKjena.html [05:54] yay! [05:55] i like the big logo off to the side like that (like i put it :P) because it makes space for the text [05:57] nice :) [05:58] So many errors in that last version! so sorry: http://imagebin.ca/view/kXHOY5SI.html [07:41] nigelb: hi [07:42] AlanBell: we need your intro :) [07:42] http://ubuntu-classroom.ietherpad.com/1 [07:43] erm it is asking for a password [07:43] AlanBell: make sure the /1 is at the end of the URL (i ran into the same thing) [07:44] got it, thanks [07:48] shamelessly stolen from a community member: Why did the programmer die in the shower? The shampoo said lather, rinse, repeat. :D [07:49] and good morning! [07:49] morning jussi! [07:50] morning ddecator [07:52] oh, did we all know it is Nelson Mandela Day on July 18? http://en.mandeladay.com/About.aspx [08:04] AlanBell: Love the intro including the poke at Kubuntu :p [08:04] Alan and his family all use Ubuntu, however the chickens in the garden seem to prefer Kubuntu. :p [08:05] heh [08:08] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/chicken.png [08:08] hahahahaha [08:09] you thought I was joking! [08:09] maco: ^^ [08:09] jussi: ^^ [08:11] doctormo: apart from the ubuntu logo [the smaller one in the center] being rotated , looks neat! [08:11] sigh :P [08:11] rotated in the sense , wrongly positioned.. [08:11]