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Path1seidos, any more to say?00:11
Path1well I guess ill log off, later everyone00:13
seidoshe didn't give me enough time :(00:14
seidosI was kind of hoping he would take the initiative and try to locate the bookmarks folder too00:14
seidosah, maybe I should've just kept my proverbial mouth shut00:15
geirhacat ~/.gtk-bookmarks00:15
geirhaBut it doesn't help any. The bookmark list folds on > 9 or something bookmarks.00:16
seidoshmmm00:33
seidosI guess my only option would have been to tell him to learn python or c, so he could fix that limitation himself, heh00:33
bobo123are there any nice guide 'learn python in 8 hours' or so that you know of?00:36
bobo123I do know c though.....00:36
geirhaThe tutorial at http://docs.python.org/ is decent. Don't know how many hours it takes though.00:44
bobo123hmm... maye I should look at that00:45
bobo123*maybe00:45
geirhaBe warned, however, you may get a craving for spam and eggs.00:47
bobo123hehehe00:56
* phillw hmmmm spam, fried :-D01:06
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moonrockI just made a clean install of Ubuntu 10.04 (x64), and have Pidgin running happy, but Pidgin no longer attaches to the panel when I close (don't quit) it. It did by default on this same machine, same version of Ubuntu before. Is there a way I can force it to put it's icon on the panel like it did before?01:29
duanedesignhello moonrock01:55
moonrockhi01:55
duanedesignmoonrock: did you get pidgin sorteed out?01:57
moonrockno. is there some setting to make an app show as an icon on the panel?01:57
duanedesignmoonrock: Go to Tools->Preferences. On the Interface tab, if "Show system tray icon" is set to anything but "always", then change it. If that still doesn't make the icon appear, make sure you have a notification area in your panel.01:57
moonrockThanks. That did it. I thought it was an Ubuntu/Gnome option to show up there.01:59
duanedesign\o/02:00
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valonnhello, I just got a new hard drive today, and wanted to install ubuntu on it (my current HDD has windows 7), on first load the disc did have some error but said it would boot into desktop mode. so i used gparted to format the disk to extf3, then installed ubuntu, after install it asked to restart. I then rebooted then chose ubuntu (non recovery mode), and my computer just rebooted and went back to grub. How can i fix this?02:27
collinpThat's odd.02:29
valonnyep ;[02:29
valonnany ideas?02:33
duanedesignvalonn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Using%20CLI%20to%20Boot02:45
duanedesignyou can try the four commands there to try and get it to boot02:45
duanedesignwhen at the grub menu press 'c' to get to the cli02:46
duanedesignthen run 'ls' to get the info you need. UNless you already know which partition your linux install is on02:47
valonnall i know is that its on sdb02:48
duanedesignvalonn: do you have more than one hard drive02:52
valonnyes02:53
duanedesignahh ok02:53
valonnso if i do these commands and it boots, where do i go from there?02:54
duanedesignso if its sdb1 the first command would be -  set root=(hd1,1)02:54
duanedesignvalonn: if it boots you can reinstall grub02:54
valonnhow do i do that?02:54
duanedesignvalonn: see the last paragraph in that section02:55
duanedesignThese changes are not permanent. After successfully booting into the system the user should run sudo update-grub and inspect the GRUB 2 configuration file (/boot//grub/grub.cfg).02:55
duanedesignFor problems with booting the main linux kernel, ensure the search, linux, and initrd lines in the [### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ###] section of the file now correctly point to the correct locations.02:56
duanedesignThe user may need to reinstall GRUB 2 (sudo grub-install /dev/sdX).02:56
valonnalright02:56
valonnthank you, gonna give this a shoit02:56
valonnshot*02:56
duanedesignlet us know how it goes02:56
valonnis the person that helped me before here?03:40
valonnwell I just tried to boot into ubuntu (it would restart when I tried to boot into it), I was recommended using some commands from the grub command line, that didnt work, so i tried to reinstall ubuntu, got an error while installing and now everytime i boot i get grub rescue, i tried reinstalling grub but that gives me grub rescue or some grub command line. And now i cant boot into either of my OSes.03:43
valonnbasically, how can i fix this mess?03:44
duanedesignhello valonn03:47
valonnhi03:47
seidosvalonn, if you want to get duanedesign's attention, you should use his nickname when addressing him03:49
seidos!tab | valonn03:49
ubot2valonn: You can use your <tab> key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.03:49
valonnI didnt remember his nick ;p, thanks though seidos03:49
duanedesignvalonn: so it is booting to a prompt that looks like  grub>03:50
valonnduanedesign: says grub rescue> when i boot into one HDD then i beleive jsut grub> for the other03:50
valonnduanedesign: actually one gives me a error that something doesnt exist, as the install errored03:50
valonnduanedesign: is there  away i can just get rid of grub and the partially installed ubuntu and make it just boot into windows?03:53
duanedesignvalonn: do you have a windows system recovery disk?03:56
valonnonly an xp disc, but my other hard drive is using win703:57
duanedesignboot from the Windows Install CD and have it drop you into the repair console. Type fixmbr03:57
valonnwill that work even if its an xp disc and the OS is win7?03:57
duanedesignvalonn: on xp it might be  fdisk /mbr03:58
valonnduanedesign: well i dont have a win7 disk, can i still do this with my xp disk?03:58
duanedesigni do not know04:00
valonnduanedesign: according to sites it wont work, so does that mean i get to lose all of my data becuase of this stupid install?04:01
seidosvalonn, where is your windows 7 recovery disk?  why don't you search how to do it in windows 7?04:05
duanedesignvalonn: no04:05
valonnseidos: i dont have a recovery disk, i didnt search becuase it worked fine in the past but this time grub didnt work and nothing would boot ubuntu wise04:05
duanedesignvalonn: everything is there the bootloader is just not working04:05
valonnduanedesign: i know its all there except theres no way to get to it and if i cant ge tthis fixed i get to reformat , sounds like losing all my data to me04:07
seidosvalonn, if all you're interested in doing is getting windows 7 back, you can try this from a simple google search:  http://www.ehow.com/how_4836283_repair-mbr-windows.html04:07
seidosvalonn, it is also really best practice to backup data before installing or upgrading an operating system04:08
seidosyour situation sucks, but I don't think it warrants calling the install "stupid"04:08
valonnseidos: well the grub install didnt work at all, sounds pretty stupid to me, and i know it is ebst practice but i have a lot of data04:09
seidosvalonn, we shouldn't start pointing fingers until we know with certainty what caused the failure.04:09
valonnseidos: highlight ubuntu on grub, hit enter, computer restarts, sounds like grub04:10
seidosvalonn, I couldn't say.  I didn't build your computer, and I'm not a developer.04:10
valonnalso these instructions you gave me are pretty much useless04:11
valonnInsert Win 7 installation DVD and boot from DVD drive.  Read more: How to repair MBR on Windows 7 | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4836283_repair-mbr-windows.html#ixzz0tL7r3xx304:11
valonndont have a disc04:11
seidosyou could try finding fixmbr.exe04:12
seidosdo you have a floppy drive?04:12
valonnno04:12
seidosusb drive?04:12
rlopez12hello, I need help with pulseaudio and nautilus. When I mouse over a sound file, the preview volume is to low, but I can't change the volume for it specifically without moving the cursor04:12
seidoss/fixmbr.exe/mbrfix.exe04:12
valonnyes i have a usb drive04:12
duanedesignhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD04:13
seidoswell, you need a bootable disk/drive, in order to get into a windows terminal so that you can execute commands to fix the windows boot record04:14
seidosduanedesign, do you know if there's a way to execute a command from <grub> to try loading an OS?04:15
valonn# Reboot #  Refresh the GRUB 2 menu with sudo update-grub04:16
valonnwhere do i type the refresh command at?04:16
seidosvalonn, I'm reading this now:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=119527504:19
seidosvalonn, can you enter recovery grub recovery mode?04:21
valonnyeah04:21
seidoss/enter recovery/enter04:21
seidosvalonn, what have you tried?04:21
valonnwell im about to try reinstalling grub from live cd04:22
valonni just finished doing it04:22
valonngoing to reboot, if problem presists ill be back04:22
seidosall right, good luck04:23
CWB2hello , how do i remove the "old" ubuntu versions listed in the "select version to boot" startup page ?04:25
seidosCWB2, I have no idea.  I'm sure it has something to do with editing Grub somehow04:28
seidosCWB2, have you tried a google search for "Grub remove old ubuntu versions"?04:28
CWB2yes ... i tried searches similar to that ... came up empty handed .04:29
CWB2let me try your wording ...04:29
seidosCWB2, this might be of use:  http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html04:29
CWB2ok ... i'll have a look at it .04:30
seidosCWB2, though, I would ask how important is this to you?  You are mucking with the boot loader.  Screwing something up could keep you from being able to boot.04:30
CWB2yes , i realize thet .04:31
CWB2but ... i have my data backed up ... ;-)04:31
CWB2and i can always go in and pull off what i don't have saved off-machine .04:32
seidosjust checking :)04:32
duanedesignyou could uninstall the extra kernels04:33
duanedesignthough i would leave at least 204:33
CWB2i also have some other linux/ubuntu derivatives that were on a second drive that is no longer in the machine ... i want to do a little "area beautification" .04:33
duanedesignyou can run  sudo update-grub    from the terminal and the os_prober will detect the os'es04:35
duanedesignso if they are no longer there04:35
CWB2ps ... about a week ago i had a boot loader failure sort of like the guy just before me ... ehhh ... i figured it was a good time to get away from dual boot machines .04:36
CWB2thanks for the command .04:36
CWB2i'll give it a go .04:36
duanedesignalso check out the grub2 wiki page04:37
duanedesignhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub204:37
duanedesignits a nice resource04:37
CWB2cooolll ... thanks a bunch .04:38
duanedesignnp04:38
CWB2brb ... telephone .04:38
CWB2ok ... i just ran the grub update ... going to reboot ... brb .04:44
CWB2.04:44
CWB2that did it ...04:47
CWB2heh ... i forgot i had the old windows drive hooked up to pull some stuff off of it ... it found it and put it in the mix ! :-D04:48
duanedesign:)04:48
duanedesigngrub2 is a bit more complicated then grub legacy bubt it is a more capable bootloader04:49
CWB2i started using ubuntu about a year ago ... i never played around with the bootloader much .04:50
CWB2maybe it was longer than a year ...04:50
duanedesignyou can even put a pretty picture in the background04:51
CWB2at one time i had a drive with about 12 versions listed .04:51
CWB2pretty pictures ??04:51
CWB2heh ... maybe for some ... but i like the ol' dod screen look .04:52
CWB2dos .04:52
duanedesignhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Splash%20Images%20and%20Theming04:52
duanedesigni have wanted to try it, but never got around to it04:52
duanedesignCWB2: yeah the plain grub screen boots a little faster too.04:53
CWB2neat ... i may just give it a shot ... put a picture of my gf on it ... gotta make those "brownie points" ya know .04:53
duanedesignhaha that should get you a couple of nights out with the guys04:53
CWB2heh ... i'd rather have a night out with a couple of girls . ;-)04:54
duanedesignlol04:54
duanedesign:D04:54
CWB2thanks a bunch for your help ... i'll be back around ... maybe even be able to help someone (eventually) .04:56
seidosCWB2, sweet!  I need a lot of help04:56
CWB2hah !04:57
CWB2they say i need help too ... professional , that is .04:57
CWB2.04:59
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zkriessehi MarkDud06:58
mohi57o9hiya hobgoblin :)07:11
zkriessemohi57o9: I thought you were visiting with family07:12
* zkriesse raises eyebrow07:12
mohi57o9zkriesse: we all are in the machine07:12
mohi57o9I am telling everything to them (:07:12
hobgoblinmorning07:13
zkriesseok07:13
mohi57o9hobgoblin: sup?07:13
hobgoblintea07:13
* zkriesse asks for some tea07:14
* hobgoblin sends some over the ether 07:14
zkriessethanks hobgoblin07:14
* zkriesse pours tea07:14
zkriesseah, just the right temp07:14
hobgoblinboiling hot then :)07:15
zkriessehobgoblin: Salu07:15
zkriesseCambi!07:15
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zkriessepjarnahomzz: please do not do name change in channel07:16
zkriesseit's a little distracting07:16
hobgoblinpot calls kettle black07:18
zkriesselol07:18
hobgoblinyou've got some front asking people not to do that07:18
zkriessehobgoblin: so how'd i do on my session07:18
hobgoblinit was ok zkriesse - I did say so yesterday07:19
zkriesseoh...07:19
zkriesseyeah it could have been better...but it was my first user days07:19
hobgoblin?07:19
hobgoblinit was fine07:19
zkriesseI could have gone into some more detail on actual installation and partitioning07:20
hobgoblinnot needed - others did that07:20
zkriessetrue07:20
hobgoblinthere was nothing wrong with what you did07:20
hobgoblinall the sessions I saw looked good - I wandered off when gnomeuser joined and started asking stuff that was obvious not beginner level07:24
hobgoblinzkriesse: I did a partitioning session once - I had all sorts set up in a vm on bodhi's server that everyone ssh'd into = then we actually did some real time partitioning with fdisk - it was cool07:25
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zkriessenice07:52
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zkriessehello Dextralus_09:41
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zkriesseDextralus: Hallo16:31
zkriessehttp://whenisgood.net/wiki/fg/meeting16:40
zkriessehello Axelanderya16:42
AxelanderyaHello16:42
phillwnhandler: ping, (are you okay for a PM? on UBT membership)17:12
zkriessewb Axelanderya17:25
Axelanderyathank you zkriesse17:25
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nhandlerphillw: pong, no need to ask me about a PM, just PM18:31
manu79#emacs18:39
tdnI use Ubuntu 10.04 LTS with encrypted home dirs. I had to do some maintenance including swapping of two users' UIDs and GIDs. So I did a deluser on the users and a delgroup on the groups. Then I created the users and groups again with the corrects UIDs/GIDs. Then I chowned all the users' files under /home/$USER and /home/.ecryptfs/$USER. Then I reset password with passwd $USER. But now the users cannot log in, thus cannot decrypt their files. 19:16
tdnI have recovered the passphrase with ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase, but then I do not know what to do. Login does still not work in GDM.19:16
tdnI have read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering%20Your%20Mount%20Passphrase, but I cannot see how to use this passphrase.19:16
tdnI really hope you can help me.19:17
zkriesseHello kevin___22:51
stlsaintzkriesse: my name is not kevin!22:51
zkriesselol22:51
zkriessehey stlsaint22:52
kevin___hey22:52
kevin___having some network issues22:52
kevin___or something22:52
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zkriesseah hello seidos22:53
Vantraxwhat sort of network issue?22:54
seidosnot sure, I couldn't access web pages22:54
seidosbut irc worked22:54
seidosthen irc stopped working, but I got access back to the web22:54
seidosit was weird, I couldn't ping the irc server when I was still connected to it22:55
zkriessehuh22:55
seidosmaybe it's behind a firewall or something22:55
* seidos tries pinging now22:55
seidosnope, can ping it now22:56
seidosweird22:56
Vantraxhrm23:20
Vantraxthat doesnt sound like a local issue23:20
stlsaintzkriesse: sup23:23
zkriessestlsaint: nuttin much23:24
seidosprobably isn't23:33

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