[00:18] <lex79> cjwatson: can you add oxygen-icons, kdeartwork, kdetoys and kdewebdev to the kubuntu-dev set of packages, please? thanks
[00:57] <LorgonJortle> So how does one start helping?
[01:41] <evilshadeslayer> lex79: :)
[01:41] <evilshadeslayer> ssup
[01:41] <lex79> :)
[06:02] <Damascene> hi,
[06:03] <Damascene> any one knows what does eog uses for rotating images?
[08:25] <LucidFox> http://www.rilpartner.se/en/rilpoint-sharepoint-look-alike-drupal-and-mediawiki-skin <-- Okay, this is some odd licensing
[08:26] <LucidFox> It says GPL, but "free for personal use and non-profit organizations", and commercial users are supposed to buy the proprietary version
[08:26] <LucidFox> but if it's GPL, isn't that unenforceable?
[09:50] <jussi> LucidFox: that does seem strange
[09:56] <lool> soren: Hmm I wonder whether you forgot to push to lp:vm-builder, or whether I'm looking at the wrong location?
[11:17] <tumbleweed> can someone do a main lucid-proposed upload for me? It's been sitting in the sponsor queue for weeks (LP: #467278)
[11:31] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: on IRC you could use a phrase: bug 467278
[11:45] <geser> lool: if you have some time for sponsoring bug #604241 then bogofilter is off your merge-list
[12:37] <AnAnt> this merge has been hanging for long LP 588736, is there a problem with it ?
[13:20] <AnAnt> Hello, can someone sponsor this syncrequest: LP 604190
[13:20]  * shadeslayer was about to say go to #ubuntu-motu :P
[13:29] <lool> geser: Hope you found merging easier this time around  :-)
[13:29] <lool> geser: I wonder whether we could have some Ubuntu main package as an alternate build-dep to libtokyocabinet to kill the last Ubuntu change
[13:30] <lool> geser: uploaded
[13:49] <bdrung> AnAnt: done
[13:49] <AnAnt> bdrung: which one ?
[13:49] <bdrung> sl-modem
[13:49] <AnAnt> thanks
[13:49] <bdrung> AnAnt: is there more?
[13:49] <AnAnt> how about mutt ?
[13:49] <AnAnt> LP 588736
[13:50] <AnAnt> it's been there for a while, I dont know why
[13:51] <bdrung> AnAnt: standard reason: lack of manpower
[13:52] <AnAnt> even for a package in main ?
[13:52] <bdrung> AnAnt: yes. especially. there are more motus working on sponsoring than core-devs
[13:52] <tumbleweed> AnAnt: look ta the sponsorship queue, it's dominated by main packages
[13:53] <AnAnt> I see
[13:53] <bdrung> i became core-dev to gain the ability to sponsor main packages
[13:55] <bdrung> AnAnt: i need to write a tool that pulls the debdiffs and applied them...
[13:56] <AnAnt> AnAnt: isn't there a MoM ?
[13:59] <AnAnt> bdrung: isn't there a MoM ?
[13:59] <AnAnt> crazy talking to myself !
[13:59] <bdrung> AnAnt: there is MoM, but it doesn't help sponsoring
[13:59] <AnAnt> ah, I understand now
[14:00] <bdrung> AnAnt: for sponsoring a sync request, i have to type one command and then it pulls the package, builds it, and allows me to upload it
[14:01] <tumbleweed> bdrung: although I find I spend a lot longer reviewing the changes than finding and applying patches
[14:02] <bdrung> tumbleweed: yes, reviewing takes the longest time
[14:02] <bdrung> but it depends on how large the diff to debian is
[14:05] <bdrung> tumbleweed: is the debdiff http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50037132/openoffice.org-dictionaries-lucid-sru.patch really correct? You replace the broken South African English with the British English, don't you?
[14:06] <AnAnt> bdrung: thanks again
[14:06] <tumbleweed> bdrung: yes it's correct
[14:07] <tumbleweed> we did a broken workaround to use the en_GB.aff for en_ZA
[14:07] <tumbleweed> then openoffice fixed en_ZA and broke our workaround
[14:07] <tumbleweed> this reverts the workaround
[14:07] <bdrung> aha, ok
[14:21] <bdrung> tumbleweed: done
[14:21] <tumbleweed> bdrung: thanks
[14:21] <bdrung> tumbleweed: more SRUs to sponsor?
[14:22] <tumbleweed> bdrung: nope :)
[16:47] <patrickk> why do we rush to put out a new release every 6 monthes
[16:49] <lex79> cjwatson: thanks :)
[18:48] <slangasek> superm1: have you seen Debian bug #588361 by chance?
[19:08] <hihihi100> hi, can I ask valgrind questions in here or this room has nothing to do with it?
[19:09] <joaopinto> hihihi100, read the topic :)
[19:09] <hihihi100> k
[20:20] <superm1> slangasek, i haven't, but tseliot would be a better candidate to help since he's the primary one working on fglrx these days and has a working relationship with AMD about bugs now too
[20:37] <superm1> slangasek, i'll propose them switching to ubuntu packaging though, it seems very sensible to me
[21:13] <dupondje> somebody around
[21:13] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pybootchartgui/+bug/604140
[21:13] <dupondje> seem to be a bug with pygobject
[21:13] <dupondje> alot of python apps are crashing ...
[22:04] <dupondje> thx tumbleweed
[22:04] <dupondje> :)
[22:04] <dupondje> marked 'some' bugs as duplicate lol :)
[23:34] <ryan22>  i posted a notice about a new AppUpdate service for ubuntu on the devel discuss mailing list and i was just wondering what you guys thought
[23:34] <fagan> ryan22: we all sub the list so comments are posted there
[23:34] <fagan> no need to ask for comments
[23:35] <ryan22> no prob
[23:35] <fagan> oh and most of the devs are off for the weekend
[23:35] <ryan22> its just i only got a direct response from the getdeb guy, who has now agreed to track the packages on the service
[23:36] <ryan22> im going to be prefectly honest
[23:36] <fagan> so not much point asking until monday
[23:36] <fagan> ryan22: I dont really follow packaging myself so I didnt read the thread myself
[23:37] <ryan22> the point of the service to influence ubuntu to adopt my model for the post update application process
[23:37] <fagan> ah well im sure that someone will comment on it during the week
[23:37] <ryan22> i wanna show that there is a way to provide up to date applications without sacifising stability
[23:37] <ryan22> ;)
[23:37] <fagan> it takes a few days sometimes to get a response
[23:39] <ryan22> i noticed your response on the process wiki and i think that your idea for a website to vote these applications is a great one
[23:39] <fagan> well Mark said at the UDS that they are going to be a lot more careful anyway about their repo policy to keep things more stable for the users
[23:39] <fagan> thanks
[23:39] <ryan22> well you guys can always think of my service as a "beta"
[23:40] <ryan22> im trying to keep it as "official" as possible in terms of process and policy
[23:40]  * fagan goes reading his emails
[23:45] <ryan22> man the only prob with my service is now i have like 81 packages to test...
[23:45] <ryan22> i asked a friend for help :P
[23:46] <micahg> ryan22: I don't know that you'd be able to host Firefox in there
[23:46]  * micahg was going to post to the ML, but hasn't gotten around to it yet
[23:47] <ryan22> on my former distro, i did host an updated version of firefox from one of the mozilla team ppas
[23:47] <ryan22> im avoiding applications that require core library updates in any case, just to keep things syable and simple
[23:47] <ryan22> *stable
[23:48] <fagan> well we are updating firefox more now from what I can remember
[23:48] <ryan22> gnome applications will not be to be updated on it, for example, as they usually require 300 package updates
[23:49] <fagan> we upgraded hardy, intrepid, jaunty and karmic to the most recent stable version I think
[23:49] <ryan22> so no empathy or epiphany updates :P
[23:49] <micahg> fagan: hopefully, by the next point release, all supported versions will be on 3.6.7
[23:49] <fagan> ryan22: well the problem with that is the gnome stack is a lot more complicated
[23:49] <ryan22> ya
[23:49] <fagan> and stuff breaks very very easy
[23:50] <fagan> it would be unmaintainable IMO
[23:50] <ryan22> well i uses this system on my former linux distro, so ive worked out all the kinks
[23:50] <ryan22> and i know what application updates will be a pain *cough* gnome stuff *cough*
[23:50] <fagan> ryan22: well its the customisations thats the problem
[23:50] <fagan> we have so many things we do to make it Ubuntu
[23:51] <ryan22> mind stuff like banshee and rythmbox seems to update no prob with only a few packages
[23:51] <ryan22> well thats the point behind this
[23:51] <fagan> well RB and banshee require bindings and up to date gtk..etc that would have to be updated too so its still to hard
[23:51] <ryan22> I feel that Ubuntu is an organisation stretched to its limits. It's time for them to let go and let the developers maintain and package their own applications.
[23:51] <ryan22> not really actually
[23:52] <ryan22> banshee really only requires a few ipod mono libs
[23:52] <ryan22> i had 1.6.0 updated perfectly on karmic
[23:52] <fagan> and the mono stack too
[23:53] <fagan> and thats big enough too
[23:53] <fagan> its not really workable
[23:53] <ryan22> to be honest, ive never had to upgrade mono when updating banshee
[23:53] <fagan> ryan22: if you look at the banshee ppa you will see they update mono for you when you install it
[23:53] <ryan22> if these updates require a such a core library update, they simply wont be updated
[23:54] <ryan22> but thats for hardy and older versions
[23:54] <ryan22> for karmic all you need to update is a few bashee and ipod mono libs
[23:54] <ryan22> which is pretty isolated
[23:55] <ryan22> youll see that alot actually in ppas
[23:55] <fagan> I just think its unworkable because 1. its a lot of effort to keep track of the updates for the new and old versions already and 2. the ubuntu customisations each release
[23:55] <ryan22> hardy will usually require 12424 package updates, but karmic and lucid will barely require anything
[23:55] <ryan22> well this is a separate service
[23:55] <ryan22> and ive been doing this system for about... 5 months
[23:56] <fagan> the other applications are fine in ppas for users that want the newer versions and cant wait
[23:56] <ryan22> and ive had no such problems
[23:56] <jcastro> hi fagan, any progress on deluge?
[23:56] <jcastro> fagan: if you don't have time to do it let me know asap pls
[23:56] <fagan> oh jcastro im just finishing off the software properties thing first
[23:57] <fagan> I can do it but it wont be this week or maybe next either
[23:57] <jcastro> ok
[23:57] <fagan> if thats too late then feel free to get someone else on it
[23:57] <jcastro> fagan: I might have a contractor by then, I will let you know before I commit them though
[23:57] <ryan22> the problem is sometimes there are problems in the packages in the ppas (very rare, ive pushed like ~250 packages, and had it happen twice, but it does happen)
[23:57] <fagan> jcastro: cool
[23:57] <ryan22> and its a pain keeping track and adding all those ppas
[23:58] <ryan22> eh
[23:58] <fagan> ryan22: I seem to remember someone talking about searching ppas if I remember
[23:59] <ryan22> well right now im tracking 35 PPAs
[23:59] <ryan22> and im planning on doing a testing-fest every sunday