[00:56] <humanfly> hello all
[00:56] <humanfly> did the best i could
[00:57] <humanfly> and its the truth
[02:35] <humanfly> is Marks staff accesssible throughout the night ?  if they needed to be contacted for any reason.  no problem on irc here.
[03:03] <michaelh> Hi there.  I'm having trouble with making my first feature branch: bzr branch has been sitting there at 100 % CPU for about 15 minutes
[03:13] <spm> michaelh: that sounds... uncool. is this a private/public branch on lp? or?
[03:14] <michaelh> I'm new to this, but it's a LP branch that I have locally and I'm trying to create a feature branch off it
[03:14] <michaelh> (it is GCC so it's a good size, but still)
[03:15] <michaelh> The LP branch is https://code.launchpad.net/~linaro-toolchain-dev/gcc-linaro/4.4
[03:15] <michaelh> I pulled it down locally using bzr branch lp:gcc-linaro/4.4
[03:15] <michaelh> I then used bzr branch linaro-4.4 linaro-mlh
[03:16] <michaelh> It did complete in the end.  Sat at 100 % CPU on a dual core machine and ~600 MB of RAM
[03:16] <michaelh> All under stock Lucid on i386
[03:18] <spm> Oh! istr that gcc has some *insane* # of commits that are evilness personified. IMBW, but possibly that's cause/effect right there.
[03:18] <spm> I vaguely recall it being problematic on the lp importds....
[03:20] <michaelh> bzr revno shows 95535.  du -sk .bzr is 490 MB.
[03:21] <michaelh> It finished so I'm happy.  I thought I'd hit a bug :)
[03:21] <spm> heh, the bug is 'gcc is wildly optimistic with the number of revno's it really needs' ;-)
[03:26] <michaelh> spm: Sorry, unrelated topic: I'm writing my first ChangeLog entry and want to link to the LP bug ID.  Is there a standard format?
[03:26] <michaelh> spm: (It's only us NZ and AUS people awake at the moment so I can't ask my usuals :)
[03:26] <spm> michaelh: there is a shortform URL? as for "style" format, no idea.
[03:27] <spm> eg. https://launchpad.net/bugs/<bugid>
[03:27] <michaelh> spm: The GCC people put a line like 'PR fortran/43836' on any ChangeLog entries that fix a issue
[03:27] <michaelh> Perhaps lp:123456 would be fine?
[03:27] <spm> heh, actually I think the bzr folks are all in prague atm with the lp sprint
[03:27] <spm> no idea :-)
[03:29] <michaelh> Ta.
[03:34] <lifeless> moin
[03:35] <spm> lifeless: no. I think that's more accurately called 'night', although, I grant, it is oft considered 'morning' :-)
[03:35] <lifeless> is 0435
[03:36] <lifeless> is morningk
[03:36] <spm> I'm aware of that :-)
[03:36] <spm> good flights over?
[03:36] <lifeless> yeah, bad ones over too
[03:36] <spm> bleh
[03:38] <michaelh> I'm a bit stuck on using feature branches in bzr against LP.  Where's a good place to ask?
[03:44] <lifeless> I don't know, depends on what you're stuck i'd say
[03:44] <lifeless> what are you stuck on?
[03:46] <michaelh> I have a branch of a lp:gcc-linaro/4.4.  I took a local feature branch of that.  I made my changes and committed to the feature branch.  I now want to push this feature branch to LP so that I can ask Loic to merge it to trunk
[03:47] <michaelh> I think 'bzr push "lp:~michaelh1/gcc-linaro/4.4-dev" is right, but it stacks on the 4.5 branch instead
[03:47] <lifeless> thats fine
[03:47] <lifeless> stacking is just storage optimisation
[03:48] <michaelh> OK.  So he'll be able to merge it just fine, even though they're based on mildly different things?
[03:48] <lifeless> no
[03:48] <lifeless> *stacking does not mean based on*
[03:48] <lifeless> he'll be able to merge it fine because you based it on 4.4
[03:48] <michaelh> Ah.  So feature branch is based on local branch is based on LP:4.4
[03:51] <michaelh> It's pushing a lot of data up - is it going to push all of the 490 MB branch for my small change??
[03:51] <lifeless> no
[03:52] <lifeless> lool: ^
[03:52] <michaelh> Hmm.  12 MB at 60 kB/s so far.  I guess that is due to 'trunk' being based off 4.5... let's see how it turns out...
[04:13] <michaelh> Does bzr push resume on network loss?
[04:13] <lifeless> not curently
[04:15] <michaelh> If it does push the full 493 MB, then it will take 2.3 hours at the current 60 kB/s.  I'm worried about it dropping out at 99 % :)
[04:16] <michaelh> Can I stage the push, rsync it to somewhere with a faster connection, then finish the push from there?
[04:29] <lifeless> michaelh: lool was going to have a cronjob setup so that it doesn't need to upload all that much data
[04:29] <lifeless> if you want to do things incrementally use the -r parameter -
[04:29] <lifeless> push -r 10000
[04:29] <lifeless> push -r 20000
[04:29] <lifeless> etc
[04:30] <michaelh> Ta.
[04:31] <lifeless> (hopefully obviously, that will be less efficient)
[04:31] <michaelh> Currently at 157 MB.  Let's see how it goes...
[04:31] <lifeless> another possibility is that you interrupted the early attempts after object creation before storage of the stacking info
[04:32] <lifeless> so you could be pushing to an unstacked instance
[04:34] <michaelh> How can I tell, and how can I fix it if it's true?
[04:34] <lifeless> bzr reconfigure can change it
[04:34] <lifeless> and bzr info will tell you
[04:34] <lifeless> (bzr info url)
[05:08] <jbowtie> I just announced bzr-tfs on the mailing list, now awaiting my first bug report.
[05:09] <jbowtie> Which will probably be someone telling me I did the announcement wrong.
[05:13] <fullermd> Looks like it has too few vowels to me...
[05:15] <jbowtie> fullermd: I'll try to put extra vowels in the blog posts about how I wrote the plugin.
[05:15] <fullermd> Will you be consonant in your pursuit of this solemn vowel?
[05:41] <jbowtie> fullermd: No.
[08:08] <swathanthran> what does --versioned do actually? is it like ignoring the files that has not yet been added?
[08:09] <lifeless> I think so
[08:09] <swathanthran> ok.
[08:22] <mwhudson> i think bzr ls lists all files in the tree, even ignored and unversioned
[08:23] <mwhudson> (without more options)
[08:38] <lool> lifeless: I did setup a cron job, and I could push a verbatim copy of a branch in almost no time
[08:39] <lool> http://paste.ubuntu.com/462396/ is the job
[08:39] <lool> It didn't even break when I moved the branches around
[08:39] <lifeless> ok cool
[08:39] <lifeless> I wonder what went wrong for michaelh
[08:40] <lool> I moved the branches recently, I wonder whether that could have had such a side effect
[08:40] <lool> (changed owner from ~gcc-linaro-dev to ~linaro-toolchain-dev)
[09:45] <Noldorin> hi. i'm trying to get bzr to connection to launchpad behind an http proxy. any ideas?
[09:45] <Noldorin> followed http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1039057/how-do-i-use-bazaar-with-a-http-proxy so far, ut no luck it seems
[09:48] <GaryvdM> Noldorin: have you tested if it works using the long url, e.g. bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~user/project/branch/ ?
[09:48] <Noldorin> GaryvdM: no, by i will do now.
[09:49] <GaryvdM> Noldorin: It uses https to convert lp:~user/project/branch/ to  bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~user/project/branch/
[09:49] <Noldorin> GaryvdM: same error i'm afraid
[09:49] <Noldorin> cts\IRC.NET> bzr co bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~noldorin/ircdotnet/devel bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net; (10060, 'Operation timed out')
[09:50] <GaryvdM> Noldorin: then you will need to get you administrator to open port 22 (ssh) for you
[09:50] <Noldorin> GaryvdM: i've set the appropiate env vars for the http proxy. that's not too reliale ehi?
[09:52] <GaryvdM> Noldorin: http proxies only work for http, not ssh
[09:52] <GaryvdM> Noldorin: if you only need read access, then you can access your branch over http
[09:57] <GaryvdM> Noldorin: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ircdotnet-dev/ircdotnet/devel/
[09:57] <GaryvdM> Noldorin: That url will allow you readonly access.
[09:58] <Noldorin> GaryvdM: ah, that should do the job. thank you
[09:59] <Noldorin> GaryvdM: odd. i get:
[09:59] <Noldorin> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Connection lost while sending request.
[10:00] <GaryvdM> Noldorin: I'm sorry - I'm not sure then.
[10:00] <Noldorin> no worries
[11:38] <Kream>  what are the downsides to bazaar over, say, git, for a VCS for config files?
[11:38] <Kream> using etckeeper, I mean
[11:47] <Kream>  what are the downsides to bazaar over, say, git, for a VCS for config files?
[11:48] <maxb> none? :-)
[11:48] <Kream> hehe
[11:48] <Kream> some guys were saying it's slowness is a big downside
[11:48] <Kream> is that really a problem with etckeeper?
[11:48] <Kream> system isn't really very heavily loaded.
[11:49] <maxb> Bazaar is slower than Git, this is true. But that only starts to become an issue on huge trees. An /etc is pretty tiny
[11:53] <Kream> true, true.
[11:53] <Kream> what's an advantage bazaar has over git?
[11:53] <Kream> generally, and as far as the /etc tree is concerned as well
[11:59] <maxb> I think that's mostly a question of personal preference. Personally I find git to be excessively obscure, and to have the learning curve from hell
[12:00] <maxb> Whereas bzr can do everything I could use git to do, and leave me happier about doing it :-)
[12:06] <Kream> great :)
[12:07] <svaksha> Permission denied (publickey). bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required). Any idea why this error occurs while getting a branch from LP? TIA.
[13:04] <BusError> given a failed merge, how to I just cancel and reset to the HEAD ?
[13:40] <maxb> BusError: bzr revert
[13:41] <maxb> svaksha: Connection problems of some sort? Check with ssh your-lp-id@bazaar.launchpad.net
[15:25] <svaksha> maxb: that is odd. i'm able to push and pull to my branch but cant pull another's branch