[14:34] <balaji> Hi
[14:35] <alkisg> Hi
[14:35] <balaji> I would like to install sis630e vga driver in linux
[14:35] <balaji> please help me
[14:36] <balaji> u there?
[14:36] <alkisg> Please use #ubuntu for generic ubuntu questions... this channel is specific to the edubuntu version, i.e. for education matters.
[14:36] <balaji> sorry sir
[16:26] <bencrisford> highvoltage: I love the new
[16:26] <bencrisford> *your new blog theme
[16:26] <bencrisford> sorry, can't type today :P
[16:39] <highvoltage> bencrisford: hehe, thanks :)
[16:39] <highvoltage> bencrisford: I'm not much better today either :)
[16:39] <bencrisford> highvoltage: :)
[19:52] <hybridvigour> greetings
[19:52] <highvoltage> hey hybridvigour
[19:52] <sebsebseb> highvoltage: hi, thought you would come here
[19:52] <sebsebseb> uh wrong one
[19:52] <sebsebseb> that was meant to be sent to hybridvigour
[19:53] <highvoltage> ok :)
[19:53] <hybridvigour> highvoltage: greetings
[19:53] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: how did you guess
[19:53] <hybridvigour> ?
[19:53] <hybridvigour> :)
[19:53] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: also  in  the past they have run Edubuntu sessions for Ubuntu Open Week, telling people about it, and their are logs,  but yeah the guys here can tell you more about it, as I suggested in #ubuntu
[19:54] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: cool
[19:54] <sebsebseb> highvoltage: Aren't you one of the devs of Edubuntu ?
[19:54] <sebsebseb> !openweek | hybridvigour
[19:55] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: message is out of date, link is still good :)
[19:55] <highvoltage> sebsebseb: yep
[19:56] <hybridvigour> hello edubuntu people, i'm setting up a bunch of donated laptops with educational software for a school in malawi and was hoping to learn about networking, any leads and/or advice is more than welcome
[19:56] <hybridvigour> thanks in advance
[19:56] <highvoltage> hybridvigour: what kind of networking advice do you need?
[19:57] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour:  For the past few releases after a new release, they run Open Week.  Next one will be the day after the 10.10 release. However as far as I know you should keep the lap tops on 10.04 since LTS.
[19:58] <highvoltage> 10.10 is also going to be a somewhat risky release with lots of new technology, probably not the best choice for old hardware :)
[19:58] <sebsebseb> highvoltage: new technology such as?
[19:58] <hybridvigour> highvoltage: well the ABC's for now and eventually all the bells and whistles (i will be sending someone over to malawi and would like to arm them with as much info as possible to be able to make it all happen) are there ebooks or something of that sort that i can dl
[19:58] <highvoltage> sebsebseb: btrfs, for one
[19:58] <sebsebseb> other than the obvious of course,  new kernel, slightly later version of Gnome
[19:58] <sebsebseb> highvoltage: right sure btrfs, but that won't be the default for 10.10
[19:59] <hybridvigour> highvoltage: right
[19:59] <highvoltage> sebsebseb: it also jumps from kernel 2.6.32 to 2.6.35... probably going to have some impact for old devices
[19:59] <sebsebseb> also btrfs has been around like two years, but not even Fedora is doing it as default just yet.  seems they will on like Fedora 15
[19:59] <sebsebseb> ah yes thats right
[19:59] <sebsebseb> now I remember
[19:59] <highvoltage> sebsebseb: also has a new xorg that has many changes, it's going to have an effect on people who need proprietary drivers
[19:59] <sebsebseb> 10.10 lacks support for i586 or something like that
[20:00] <highvoltage> yep.
[20:00] <sebsebseb> highvoltage: I warned hybridvigour in #ubuntu  that 10.04 should be fine,  as long as no propritary drivers for ATI or Nivida are installed, since the boot up can mess up,  and as you probably know I mean Plymouth
[20:01] <highvoltage> so for machines older than 5 years I personally wouldn't install 10.10 on them. I'd install 10.04 on them and then that system can die with the hardware one die
[20:01] <highvoltage> *day
[20:01] <sebsebseb> and I have had issues on other computer, and I am hoping 10.10 will be more fixed for that
[20:01] <sebsebseb> highvoltage: yeah indeed 10.04 is good, since the three years of support
[20:01] <sebsebseb> for this kind of thing
[20:01] <highvoltage> (bbl)
[20:02] <sebsebseb> highvoltage: uhmm right so  this channel isn't that active at the moment
[20:02] <sebsebseb> ah wrong one again
[20:02] <sebsebseb> stily auto compelte
[20:02] <sebsebseb> silly
[20:03] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: so a good start is to check out the Edubuntu website of course, but to also read Open Week Edubuntu session logs :)
[20:03] <hybridvigour> so, is there a way for me to get 10.04 with all the bells and whistles i.e. the fixes and such since release or is that done with updating after install?
[20:04] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: right
[20:04] <sebsebseb> with Ubuntu releases a release comes out, and then useually its only security fixes after, with some exceptions
[20:04] <hybridvigour> k
[20:04] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: for example the server version of 10.04, well the Linux kernel that is currently used won't be supported for five years, so a later kernel will get back ported
[20:07] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: cool
[20:08] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: if you want to learn more about Ubuntu, then those Open Week logs are great,  just like the user day ones are. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[20:08] <sebsebseb> also this is a great download to get
[20:08] <sebsebseb> a free PDF
[20:08] <hybridvigour> also part of the challenge is that once on the ground at the school in malawi there will be limited to no connectivity so upgrades and updates once i'm done installing here in canada become next to impossible
[20:08] <sebsebseb> !manual | hybridvigour
[20:09] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: well I guess highvoltage reolized that
[20:09] <sebsebseb> hence the thing about put the software on, and let it die with the hardware
[20:09] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: i was about the thank the bot again! but thank you that is exactly what i need
[20:09] <hybridvigour> nice
[20:10] <sebsebseb> theres also a good  Ubuntu Pocket Guide you can download again
[20:10] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: Do you know about the One Lap Top per child project by the way?
[20:10] <sebsebseb> If not you should find out about that really
[20:11] <hybridvigour> i have heard about it
[20:11] <sebsebseb> anyway if the computers  aren't Internet connected well then they will be rather secure as well
[20:11] <hybridvigour> i will take a look for sure prolly have a lot to teach me for sure
[20:11] <sebsebseb> so it doesn't really matter about security updates, when not Internet connected
[20:12] <hybridvigour> of course
[20:12] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: when I virtual machined Edubuntu 10.04 I didn't like the default look of it much at all,  compared to 9.10 for example.  oh sure looks can be changed
[20:12] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: is there a "but"?
[20:13] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: I guess it doesn't really matter much which version of the OS is on there, if they aren't going to be Internet connected
[20:13] <sebsebseb> mhall119:  has his project based on Ubuntu for kids as well
[20:14] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: qimo or something
[20:14] <mhall119> yes, http://www.qimo4kids.com
[20:14] <sebsebseb> yep that
[20:15] <hybridvigour> hunh... nice is that a skin or an actual OS
[20:15] <mhall119> it's a modified version of Xubuntu
[20:15] <hybridvigour> right
[20:15] <sebsebseb> mhall119: basically  hybridvigour wants to put Educational software on a load of lap tops, but once he is  done, they will probably not get Internet connected again
[20:15] <hybridvigour> cool
[20:15] <mhall119> but there's packages in the Lucid repos to apply it to standard Ubuntu
[20:16] <mhall119> Qimo is designed to run disconnected
[20:16] <mhall119> but it's tailored to 3 year olds to about 12 year olds
[20:16] <mhall119> any older than that, and the games don't hold their interest much
[20:17] <hybridvigour> hmmm...
[20:17] <sebsebseb> !info gcompris
[20:17] <sebsebseb> !info child's play
[20:17] <sebsebseb> !info childsplay
[20:18] <hybridvigour> mhall119: knowing the school it's ages 5 or six up until adults
[20:18] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: right well heres the good news
[20:18] <sebsebseb> then
[20:18] <sebsebseb> there is educational software for older people as well
[20:18] <hybridvigour> lol
[20:18] <sebsebseb> there are like packages you can install that will put on like primary education, secondary education etc
[20:18] <hybridvigour> awesome
[20:18] <hybridvigour> good news indeed
[20:18] <hybridvigour> k
[20:18] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: Edubuntu looks well very childish
[20:19] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: and had some sort of network feature, so schools can set up computers running it
[20:19] <sebsebseb> however you can network standard Ubuntu as well of course :) and like I said in #ubuntu you can install the Edubuntu apps in that anyway
[20:20] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: to be honest with you,  if these computers are never going to get Internet connected,  I probaby woudn't actsaully go with later versions of Ubuntu
[20:21] <sebsebseb> instead I would go for like 9.04, 8.10, or 8.04.   9.04 will run out of support at the end of October this year.  8.10  ran out of support  April 30th 2010.   8.04 will run out of support at the end of April next year.  Right, but not like that matters much if the installs aren't even Internet connected :D
[20:21] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: oh you mean because of bugs and fixes and such that are part of the initial phase of any OS right?
[20:21] <mhall119> hybridvigour: in that case you might want to just add the qimo packages on top of an Edubuntu install
[20:21] <mhall119> qimo-session will give you all the Qimo games and art
[20:22] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: I mean, because of unessary features that have been added, that aren't that great also
[20:23] <hybridvigour> mhall119: is it : install ubuntu, install edubuntu over ubuntu and then install qimo (or any other) over edubuntu?
[20:24] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: or if I was doing it,  since  I have used Ubuntu a long time,  I would customize to look like older versions, if doing 10.04, but thats  well me.   Try a few versions and gain experience you know :D
[20:24] <mhall119> hybridvigour: as of 10.04, you can directly install Edubuntu from a DVD again
[20:24] <hybridvigour> oh cool
[20:24] <mhall119> and then you install qimo-session
[20:24] <hybridvigour> k
[20:24] <sebsebseb> mhall119: ah ha, so qimo stuff yeah, but also the edubuntu stuff?
[20:25] <mhall119> for the older kids, I'd recommend having more of the edubuntu stuff
[20:25] <mhall119> if it were strictly 3 to 12 year olds, I'd say Qimo would be enough
[20:25] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: or you just install it all I guess, and then people can change the look when they are ready?
[20:25] <hybridvigour> right
[20:26] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: Gnome is rather easy to customize
[20:26] <hybridvigour> thank you all i'm off to get it all started and obviously have my work cut out for me
[20:26] <sebsebseb> mhall119: ah yeah I noticed that can get some qimo artwork into Gnome :D
[20:26] <hybridvigour> thank you for your guidance i'm sure i'll be back in not too long
[20:27] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: anyway yeah that sounds good,  10.04, with well loads of stuff for them
[20:27] <hybridvigour> i'll remain signed in and if you can think of any other helpful hints and leads let me know
[20:28] <hybridvigour> 10.04 it is
[20:28] <hybridvigour> peace to you all
[20:28] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: you might want to intall stuff like Kubuntu as well
[20:28] <sebsebseb> have it as an option from log in screen
[20:28] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: nice
[20:28] <sebsebseb> I mean if your going to set the computer up, so it can be used for years, without going on the Internet
[20:28] <hybridvigour> that's the point
[20:29] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: and theres Xubuntu and Lubuntu as well
[20:29] <hybridvigour> so that once it's there it's there for life (it's life that is)
[20:29] <sebsebseb> plus loads of more complacted looks that can be used instead
[20:29] <hybridvigour> complacted?
[20:29] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: Desktop Linux is very much so about choice, from the distros,  to the programs that are installed
[20:29] <sebsebseb> well find out what a window manager and desktop environment is :)   there is a lot of choice when it comes to that
[20:29] <sebsebseb> a lot of that choice, is for total geeks though
[20:30] <hybridvigour> lol
[20:30] <hybridvigour> nice
[20:30] <sebsebseb> when it come to the window managers,  but the main two desktop environments are Gnome and KDE
[20:30] <sebsebseb> and then theres XFCE in 3rd place,  and LXDE in 4th place, basically
[20:30] <hybridvigour> i feel my inner geek waking up
[20:30] <hybridvigour> k
[20:30] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu uses Gnome by default,  but  since 9.04 they have changed it down streame here and there,  so some changes to it, that won't be in other distros
[20:31] <sebsebseb> and I remove most of that personally if doing Ubuntu, and have it set up more like older versions :)
[20:31] <sebsebseb> so yeah http://www.gnome.org
[20:32] <sebsebseb> then KDE  http://www.kde.org  http://www.kubuntu.org  and  XFCE  http://www.xfce.org is the site I guess  http://www.xubuntu.org  and  LXDE with the site being http://www.lxde.org I guess  and thats yeah Lubuntu  http://www.lubuntu.org
[20:32] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: Lubuntu and Xubuntu are better for computers, with little RAM
[20:33] <sebsebseb> more lite waight
[20:35] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: well have fun,  browse the Software Centre and Synaptic, I guess
[20:35] <sebsebseb> !synaptic | hybridvigour
[20:37] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: one last thing would you recommend formatting the hd before install or will the format included in the install be enough
[20:37] <hybridvigour> ?
[20:38] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: uhmm what is currently on the computers?
[20:38] <sebsebseb> and where did the lap tops come from?
[20:42] <hybridvigour> random donors (individuals, companies, educational institutions), some with and some without OS, running the gammut from none to win95 to win2000nt
[20:42] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: oh
[20:42] <sebsebseb> so  a lot of these lap tops probably still have peoples personal data on them?
[20:44] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: you know how there are a lot of people who don't know computers properly, that will give them away, with their personal data still on them?  sure you do?  well obviously don't do anything your not meant to with that yourself.  However I think you should give the hard disks a proper hard disk clean, before setting them up, and giving them away.
[20:44] <sebsebseb> and thats what more technical people would do,  first if they were going to sell their lap top.
[20:45] <hybridvigour> some have but every single one has been approved for formatting beforehand, i get i touch with the donors if there are any ?? on my part
[20:45] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: oh right, so  its up to you to format them?
[20:45] <sebsebseb> if you do a normal format,  loads of that data will still be there on the hard disk
[20:45] <sebsebseb> if not all of it even
[20:46] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour:  and there are programs that you can use, to do a proper hard disk clean :)
[20:46] <sebsebseb> plus apparnatly doing that,  might even speed OS up a tiny bit
[20:46] <hybridvigour> like gparted?
[20:47] <sebsebseb> no not gparted
[20:47] <hybridvigour> ah
[20:47] <sebsebseb> thats just a partition program
[20:47] <sebsebseb> I mean like test disk for example, but last time I tried to use that,  didn't work out
[20:47] <hybridvigour> hmmm
[20:47] <sebsebseb> so I ended up using another program on the Ultimate Boot CD instead
[20:47] <sebsebseb> well our family computer messed up big time
[20:47] <sebsebseb> a virus or something
[20:47] <sebsebseb> the XP side of it messed up I should say,  Ubuntu 9.04 no problem at all
[20:48] <hybridvigour> so is there a prog that you would recommend for formatting ?
[20:48] <sebsebseb> XP CD was blue screen of deathing and so on,  my Dad wanted the whole hard disk re done, since he wanted XP working again, so I end up doing a proper hard disk clean.  and I was like to him did you do anything with the hardware? and he is like no.
[20:49] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: not sure what it is called what I used last time, but it wasn't test disk, so one of the other two, on the ultimate boot cd
[20:49] <sebsebseb> I think there was only two others
[20:49] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: k
[20:49] <hybridvigour> i'll check that out
[20:49] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: also this way if they get stolen in Africa or something like that,  the people who donated them, well their data probably won't get stolen
[20:50] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: stranger things have been known to happen
[20:50] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: cool i'm off now but really thank you for all your help
[20:50] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: such as?
[20:50] <sebsebseb> also yes doing a proper hard disk clean, does take quite a while, and then there are like differnet levels of security as well
[20:51] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: well I was going to give you ultimate boot cd link, but  its also rather easy to find on Google
[20:52] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: is it 'an' ultimate boot cd or is it called "ultimate boot cd"?
[20:52] <sebsebseb> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[20:53] <sebsebseb> www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[20:53] <sebsebseb> also your meant to check the ISO you download really, before using, to make sure its good
[20:53] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: cool
[20:53] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: sometimes you need this kind of CD
[20:54] <sebsebseb> to clean out Windows malware
[20:54] <sebsebseb> properly
[20:54] <sebsebseb> and yeah
[20:54] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: anyway ok well sounds good, this lap top thing :)
[20:56] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: thanks, it's laptops for now and when we get enough $$ to send towers we'll do that to. laptops can go over as carry on or in people's luggage so the shipping price is way down
[20:56] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: ah right yeah
[20:56] <sebsebseb> so this is being done for some sort of chariety?
[20:58] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: our canadian family started this as a way to help our malawi family and it took off, we put in a well and fundraised to buy land for crops and the surrounding community became interested and so did the school where we are donating the laptops to set up a computer lab
[20:58] <hybridvigour> but it's still just me and my family so it's a lot of work and few people to do it all
[20:59] <hybridvigour> plus we all have lifes to tend to outside of this work
[20:59] <sebsebseb> yeah jobs you mean I guess
[20:59] <sebsebseb> work
[20:59] <sebsebseb> so you know some family in malawi thats what you meant above?
[21:01] <hybridvigour> jobs kids and all
[21:01] <hybridvigour> no no
[21:01] <hybridvigour> i mean the family in malawi is my family too
[21:01] <sebsebseb> the people you know in malawi,  you care about them a bit like how you would care for your own family, thats what you mean I guess
[21:01] <hybridvigour> my immediate is all here in canada and all our cousins et cetera are in malawi
[21:02] <hybridvigour> my mother comes from that village and they are our blood relatives
[21:02] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[21:03] <sebsebseb> we went a little off topic in here, but nevermind I guess, altough I never used the factoid in here,  or if I remember correctly
[21:03] <sebsebseb> !ot
[21:03] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: ok so its not been set up for this channel as well
[21:03] <sebsebseb> anyway
[21:03] <sebsebseb> I think you wanted to go away from the computer really,  just like I want to at the moment,  I don't tend to come here
[21:03] <sebsebseb> ,but I do tend to go to #ubuntu
[21:04] <sebsebseb> so if you want to find me again, you know where
[21:04] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: anyway thanks so much, i will keep an eye out for you on #ubuntu for sure
[21:04] <hybridvigour> keep well
[21:04] <hybridvigour> peace to you