[00:16] <lex79> apachelogger:  kdepimlibs is finally building \o/
[00:17] <shadeslayer> someone stop apachelogger from triaging bugs :S
[00:18] <lex79> apachelogger: tomorrow you should retry a ton of packages...
[00:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: on kmail bug triage spree?
[01:08] <jcgs> hi, does anyone know when ldconfig creates symlinks and when it doesn't, because i just ran it on a private directory, expecting it to create a link libtest.so.1 to libtest.so.1.0.0 and it didn't. is that what it's supposed to do?
[01:32] <shadeslayer> anyone around?
[08:12] <apachelogger> dang is lex gone already?
[08:17] <apachelogger> hm
[08:17] <apachelogger> rendering that konqueror about picture takes noticable long
[08:18] <apachelogger> as if it was super sized and needs to be scaled down :S
[08:24] <apachelogger> impending news everyone!
[08:24] <apachelogger> qt FTBFS on armel
[08:24] <apachelogger> NCommander: are you already onto that?
[08:25]  * apachelogger abandons all hope for the armel package chain and continues looking at issues
[08:30] <Trouble> [08:30] [Notice] -NickServ- You are now identified for Trouble.
[08:30] <Trouble> Hehe :-p
[08:31] <Trouble> You can say that again
[08:34] <apachelogger> lol
[08:35] <apachelogger> launchpad hates me \o/
[08:35] <apachelogger> lazr.restfulclient.errors.HTTPError: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized
[08:35] <apachelogger> launchpad--
[08:37] <apachelogger> kdebase ia64, ppc retried
[08:37] <apachelogger> on general note: armel FTBFS qt4-x11 and sparc FTBFS kde4libs
[08:38] <apachelogger> kdebase-runtime retried on i & p too
[08:39] <apachelogger> kdeaccessibility retried on i & p
[08:39] <jussi> Dear Kubuntu Update. please dont kill my PC when I restart. Sincerely. Jussi. 
[08:42] <apachelogger> kdegames retried on i386, amd64, ia64, ppc
[08:43] <apachelogger> kdemm retried on ia64, ppc
[08:44] <apachelogger> first level of tree retried
[08:45] <apachelogger> kdebase-workspace retired on ia64, ppc
[08:46] <apachelogger> kdebindings retried on ia64, ppc
[08:47] <apachelogger> kdewebdev retired on i386, amd64, ia64, ppc
[08:48] <apachelogger> kdesdk retried on i386, amd64, ia64, ppc
[08:49] <apachelogger> kdenetwork retired on i386, amd64, ia64, ppc
[08:49] <apachelogger> second level of tree retried
[08:51] <apachelogger> kdetoys i386, amd64 scheduled for build, others cannot be retried because kdebase-workspace is condition to them and only i386 and amd64 are built for workspace
[08:52] <apachelogger> same for kdeartwork
[08:52] <apachelogger> same for kdeutils
[08:53] <apachelogger> kdeedu retried on i386, amd64, others pending builds from kdebindings
[08:54] <apachelogger> kdeadmin i386, amd64 scheduled for build, others cannot be retried because kdebindings is condition to them and only i386 and amd64 are built for workspace
[08:54] <apachelogger> third level of tree retried
[08:55] <apachelogger> kdeplasma-addons pending builds from kdeedu
[08:55] <apachelogger> ---tree retried---
[09:06] <Trouble> Pffft, what's happened to Sun Java in Maverick :-s
[09:10] <Quintasan> yeah!
[09:12]  * Trouble re-installs kubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:12] <Trouble> Let's give this new-fangled openjdk another go
[09:13] <apachelogger> is it just me or does krunner not support protocols anymore?
[09:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it is not just you
[09:23] <bilalakhtar> Someone, please help me with http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51744908/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.krename_4.0.4-2ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[09:23] <apachelogger> halp!
[09:23] <apachelogger> in #ubuntuone you need to honk to get help
[09:24] <apachelogger> most strange :P
[09:24] <apachelogger> tells you who is controlling u1 though :P
[09:24] <yofel> Trouble: tell me if it works for you, I don't have luck with java, maverick and the web, sun-java6 made firefox segfault, so I installed openjdk which doesn't segfault firefox but gives me an error message, chromium can't find it, arora tells me to download java and rekonq doesn't even want to start...
[09:24] <apachelogger> bilalakhtar: retry
[09:28] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you are always so mean :'(
[09:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: plasma's locationrunner.cpp contains similar code to what rekonq should be doing
[09:41]  * apachelogger hugs Nightrose for being awesome
[09:42]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger because he's apachelogger
[09:42] <Nightrose> :D
[09:43] <apachelogger> I am all apachelogger today ^^
[09:43] <Nightrose> ^^
[09:43]  * Nightrose is listening to Ice Dance by Chris Babson
[09:43] <Nightrose> ^ awesome song
[09:44]  * Nightrose wonders what made apachelogger think she's awesome atm
[09:44] <Nightrose> (not that i disagree... :P)
[09:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that thought just poped up ^^
[09:45] <Nightrose> hehe ok
[09:46] <Quintasan> apachelogger: :<
[09:46] <Quintasan> good news
[09:47] <Quintasan> project-neon-qt.deb now takes 142mb instead of 1,5 kb
[09:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: script add news m.reply "Good news everyone!"
[09:47] <kubotu> okay then :)
[09:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: news
[09:47] <kubotu> Good news everyone!
[09:47] <apachelogger> Quintasan: supersizeme
[09:47] <apachelogger> is that with lzma?
[09:47]  * apachelogger is wondering why that beastie is soooo large
[09:47] <Quintasan> yeah
[09:47] <apachelogger> scary
[09:48] <Quintasan> apachelogger: everything packed into a one, large file?
[09:48] <apachelogger> yeah, but that large
[09:48] <apachelogger> isnt the source like about the same size?
[09:48] <Quintasan> lol
[09:48] <apachelogger> ohhh
[09:48] <Quintasan> source is ~300mb
[09:48] <apachelogger> oh
[09:48] <apachelogger> ok then
[09:48] <Quintasan> tar gzipped
[09:48] <apachelogger> do you have debug symbols stripped btw?
[09:48] <apachelogger> since when is qt source so large/
[09:49] <apachelogger> last time I uploaded qt it was < 150 fo rsure
[09:49] <apachelogger>         if (KProtocolInfo::isHelperProtocol(url.protocol())) {
[09:49] <apachelogger>             //kDebug() << "helper protocol" << url.protocol() <<"call external application" ;
[09:49] <apachelogger>             match.setText(i18n("Launch with %1", KProtocolInfo::exec(url.protocol())));
[09:49] <apachelogger>         } else {
[09:49] <Quintasan> I belive my rules do not mention stripping
[09:49] <apachelogger>             //kDebug() << "protocol managed by browser" << url.protocol();
[09:49] <apachelogger>             match.setText(i18n("Go to %1", url.prettyUrl()));
[09:49] <apachelogger>         }
[09:49] <apachelogger> now that code is mad
[09:49] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ppas will strip to /dev/null unless you either tell it to not strip at all or strip to a dbg package yourself
[09:50] <apachelogger> now back to the beauty of code
[09:50] <Quintasan> soo
[09:50] <apachelogger> actually, the code is pretty beautiful, well except for not using i18nc
[09:50] <apachelogger> BUT
[09:50] <apachelogger> there is some rather annoying assumption made
[09:51] <apachelogger> see, kde protocols can either be helpers or not, helpers would be protocols that start an own application to handle the argument
[09:51] <apachelogger> whereas non-helpers are such that can be handled by a kio slave (for example)
[09:52] <apachelogger> thing is, I am not sure the assumption that one can always launch the executable string of a helper is true
[09:53] <apachelogger> especially not considering KProtocolInfo::exec will return the whole stupid string with placeholders not replaced
[09:53] <Quintasan> soo
[09:53] <apachelogger> so what you get for apt:firefox is -> "Launch with apturl %u"
[09:53] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/sCn8SExV <-- should I add override_dh_strip?
[09:53] <apachelogger> despite that bogus %u, it is still od
[09:54] <apachelogger> you enter apt:firefox in this case indicating that you want to install firefox using apt
[09:54] <apachelogger> and krunner tells you to "Launch with apturl"
[09:54] <Quintasan> apachelogger: besides, do we need stripping to another dbg package?
[09:54] <apachelogger> that is not perfect UX at all
[09:54] <Quintasan> what the hell
[09:54] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hello
[09:54] <Quintasan> no times for monologues
[09:54] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, not everyone will want to have dbg symbols?
[09:55] <apachelogger> everytime I start talking I end up in a monolog bcause my supremacy prevents you from following me
[09:55] <Quintasan> well
[09:55] <Quintasan> no
[09:55] <apachelogger> it is the lonely life of a genius :(
[09:55] <Quintasan> dh_strip --dbg-package=project-neon-qt-dbg
[09:56] <Quintasan> is that enough?
[09:56]  * apachelogger starts crying and runs to Nightrose
[09:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ought too be
[09:56] <Nightrose> awwww
[09:56]  * Nightrose holds apachelogger
[09:56]  * apachelogger feels better already
[09:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: configure mentions -no-separate-debug-info
[09:57] <apachelogger> qt will build .debug symbols files by default IIRC
[09:57] <Quintasan> awesome
[09:57] <apachelogger> with that configure tag you prevent that so stripping can take place
[09:57] <apachelogger> you could also remove that configure setting and use other means to get the .debug files packaged
[09:57] <Quintasan> no thanks
[09:57] <Quintasan> strip is better
[09:58] <Quintasan> apachelogger: do I have to create an install file for dbg package?
[09:58] <Quintasan> well, I have to but I wonder how do I know where are the dbg files
[09:59] <apachelogger> with stripping you do not need to
[09:59] <apachelogger> there is nothing for dh_install to do
[09:59] <apachelogger> debug symbols will be added to the package by dh_strip
[10:00] <Quintasan> apachelogger: so I should just add an entry in control, right?
[10:01] <apachelogger> aye
[10:01] <apachelogger> and the other package should have an appropriate install file
[10:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well, project-neon-qt.install -> debian/tmp/opt/project-neon/*
[10:02] <Quintasan> that's all
[10:03] <apachelogger> oki
[10:05] <Quintasan> well
[10:05] <Quintasan> testbuilding once again
[10:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well, I think the rest will go just fine
[10:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I was wondering if it is possible to build packages in LP using repos other than main
[10:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: sure, you just need to configure other deps
[10:06] <apachelogger> you should however carefully consider 
[10:07] <apachelogger> in most cases you should not do this, but instead copy packages you need
[10:07] <Quintasan> hmm
[10:07] <Quintasan> copying would be better
[10:07] <Quintasan> that way we can use a version known to work
[10:07] <Quintasan> and provide all bleeding edge features
[10:08] <Quintasan> so users can crash their systems in various ways
[10:08] <Quintasan> :)
[10:08]  * Quintasan would never expect that many people like running unstable builds of everything
[10:08] <Quintasan> the thrill of that something may break any second without any reason
[10:08] <Quintasan> :O
[10:37]  * Trouble kills plasma-desktop again and runs without it because it keeps running like a dog
[10:46] <apachelogger> Quintasan: where else would we get our rush from?
[10:54] <apachelogger> oh
[10:54] <apachelogger> my
[10:54] <apachelogger> dalek
[10:54] <apachelogger> Quintasan: !!!!!!
[10:55] <Quintasan> what?
[10:55] <apachelogger> sec
[10:55] <apachelogger> this is epic
[10:56] <Quintasan> how can something be this epic that u take away my attention form Heroes of Newerth?
[10:56] <Quintasan> It'd better be epic or I just lost my seriall killer streak for nothing
[10:57] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You are asking for Trouble 
[10:58] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/tfa.ogv
[10:58] <apachelogger> Trouble: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/tfa.ogv :P
[10:58] <Trouble> Why is apachelogger asking after me??
[10:58] <Trouble> :-p
[10:58] <apachelogger> \o/
[10:58] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/tfa.ogv http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/tfa.ogv http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/tfa.ogv http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/tfa.ogv
[10:58] <Trouble> Beat me to the joke!!
[10:58] <apachelogger> weeeeeh
[10:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^^^
[10:58] <apachelogger> look what I did to your product
[10:59] <apachelogger> muhahahahahahaah
[10:59] <Trouble> lol
[10:59] <Quintasan> oh god
[10:59] <Trouble> Awesoe
[10:59]  * Nightrose is too afraid to watch
[10:59] <Quintasan> so much win
[10:59] <apachelogger> told ya
[11:00] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger 
[11:00]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger.
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[11:00] <apachelogger> if only quassel were using plasma for the chatview :D :D :D
[11:01] <Quintasan> apachelogger: make it so it leaks mem
[11:01] <Quintasan> that would be trollface-worth
[11:01] <Quintasan> :P
[11:01] <apachelogger> lol
[11:01] <apachelogger> cannot
[11:01] <apachelogger> stupid javascript does not give me a heap
[11:01] <apachelogger> maybe plasma takes care of the leaking
[11:01] <Quintasan> hey guys, I have and awesome plasmoid for you
[11:01] <Quintasan> after few seconds channel is full of FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
[11:01]  * apachelogger never got disappointed by plasma regarding memleaks :P
[11:02] <apachelogger> srsly though, this is awesome
[11:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/amarokNplaydget.ogv
[11:09] <Quintasan> apachelogger: what are thos icons in the upper right corner?
[11:11] <apachelogger> likeback or whats it called
[11:11] <apachelogger> feedback feature thingy for pre-releases & git
[11:11] <apachelogger> kmess also uses it IIRC
[12:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan, shadeslayer: I think I will do a hello world intro and then do a poll whether to continue with trollface of playdget
[12:19] <apachelogger> intro will be at least 15 minutes I estimate, and if a lot of people have no idea of programming going for trollface and playdget will not work out timewise I am afraid
[12:41] <Trouble> Why didn't someone warn me Maverick would be buggy before I upgraded! :-D
[12:41] <Trouble> I feel cheated!
[12:42]  * Trouble demands a refund!
[12:51] <Quintasan> apachelogger: stripping (:O) works fine
[12:51] <Quintasan> I think it's ready to upload
[12:52] <Riddell>  /win 21
[12:52] <Riddell> tsk
[12:53] <Riddell> how are we all doing?
[12:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: hiho
[12:55] <jjesse-droid> bored in airport
[12:55] <Quintasan> jjesse-droid: do you own a motorola droid or it's just android's generic suffix? :P
[12:56] <Riddell> enjoy it while it lasts jjesse, won't be too long before we're all reminising about how nice it was to be able to fly around the world
[12:58] <jjesse-droid> Quintasan yes I have a devoid the Nick is how I seperate where I'm chatting from
[12:58] <jjesse-droid> ion my netbook I'm jjesse-netbook
[12:58] <Quintasan> oh
[12:58] <Quintasan> jjesse-droid: I wish Milestones didn't have signed bootloaders
[12:58] <Quintasan> lucky Droid users
[12:59] <jjesse-droid> its easier for me plus don't get Nick collisions 
[12:59] <Quintasan> I just ssh to my irc machine and that's it :P
[13:00] <jjesse-droid> I'm not that smart
[13:02] <Quintasan> but hey, doing ctrl+a-d is impossible on droid I think
[13:03] <jjesse-droid> I think it is
[13:03] <jjesse-droid> though I do haves
[13:04] <jjesse-droid>  though I do have a nice SSH client on the phone
[13:04] <Quintasan> sheytan: \o
[13:06] <sheytan> Quintasan hi, what's up? :)
[13:06] <sheytan> i'm only for a while here :)
[13:07] <Quintasan> sheytan: well, I will need testers for Project Neon soon
[13:07] <Quintasan> :P
[13:07] <sheytan> what is it? :D
[13:07] <Quintasan> nightly builds of KDE and Amarok
[13:08] <sheytan> Sorry, i can't today :(
[13:08] <Quintasan> sheytan: well, it's not today
[13:09] <Quintasan> I don't think we will get it working this week :P
[13:09] <sheytan> tomorrow afternoon sure ;)
[13:09] <sheytan> Oh :D
[13:09] <sheytan> so this 'soon' is not so soon :D
[13:11] <sheytan> ok, have to go :)
[13:11] <sheytan> bye :)
[14:14] <ScottK> 4.4.92 is fully built on i386.
[14:14] <shadeslayer> ScottK: on amd 64  too i think
[14:15] <ScottK> shadeslayer: kdeplasma-addons is still building
[14:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/VubmsyxZ
[14:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: all the major stuff is done ;)
[14:16] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons/4:4.4.92-0ubuntu1/+build/1863656
[14:16] <shadeslayer> my you boon too shirt arrived :)
[14:16] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you help me with rbot?
[14:16] <ScottK> No
[14:16] <shadeslayer> its FTBFS :P
[14:17]  * ScottK tries to avoid things having to do with languages that start with R.
[14:17] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[14:17] <ScottK> In any case, if it's not Kubuntu/KDE, you should ask on #ubuntu-motu
[14:17] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1149045 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs) Add clear() functions to the Depends and Technical Details tabs to prevent stale pointers after cache reloads. Fixes a crash encounterable after installing something and then pressing upgrade
[14:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok,but on a side note,it seems that the package builds in pbuilder but not in the archiv builders :S
[14:17] <shadeslayer> *archive
[14:18] <shadeslayer> which.. i have never encountered :S
[14:18] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Ask me on #ubuntu-motu and give me a link to the build log.
[14:18] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:54] <ScottK> Riddell: Based on my testing and my discussions with agateau, I'm pretty confident plasma-widget-menubar should go in to the netbook default as we discussed.  There's a pending MIR that's going to need to get approved.
[14:57] <steveire> I got a build failure report which seemed to be a reuslt of cmake not being available on a SPARC chroot. Is that known?
[14:58] <steveire> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51710129/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-sparc.grantlee_0.1.2-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:59] <Riddell> ScottK: looks like we need to override /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-netbook/init/00-defaultLayout.js in k-n-d-s
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> steveire: sparc is busted. It will most likely be removed as a platform for this release. (It was only a community supported port before)
[15:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Sounds right.
[15:00] <ScottK> steveire: I'd not waste any time on sparc.  It's just waiting for feature freeze (and it's still broken) to die.
[15:00] <Riddell> steveire: maybe cmake didn't compile on sparc, we don't want to spend time on obscure architectures though, i386 amd64 and arm keep us busy enough
[15:00] <ScottK> Riddell: It didn't.
[15:01] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: around? need to report a bug with muon :D
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: shoot
[15:02] <steveire> Ok. Is there some way I can not get build failures like that then?
[15:02] <ScottK> steveire: Not really.  You just have to ignore them.
[15:02] <ScottK> You could probably come up with a mail filter regex involving build failure mails for sparc ...
[15:02] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: when you upgrade tons of packages,like about 150,and muon starts downloading them,when the connection drops midway muon displays a error for each package,so that totals about 150 errors :P
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> ah
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I was afraid that might happen
[15:04] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yeah,so my suggestion is,make it not display more than 5 warnings at a time,if that can be done :)
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> I'll have to compress the warnings/errors, and display all of them in one dialog at the end
[15:04] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:06] <ScottK> Riddell: kbackup is sitting in source New.  I can't believe it didn't get packaged before.  I'd appreciate it if you'd put it on the list for your archive day tomorrow.
[15:07] <Riddell> source new /is/ the list for my archive day :)
[15:07] <shadeslayer> :o
[15:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: welcome back :D
[15:09] <Riddell> thanks shadeslayer, good to be back
[15:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what happened?
[15:09] <Riddell> the sun didn't set and lots of people had hair in primary colours 
[15:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: to your internet connection :D
[15:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh dunno, they like to change the IP address occationally
[15:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh your on a static ip? 
[15:12] <Riddell> no I'm not, that's the problem.  today it's host-84-9-233-104.dslgb.com
[15:12] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:13] <shadeslayer> btw the quality of the shirts on shop.ubuntu need to be improved :S
[15:14] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1149067 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp SVN_SILENT: Style fix
[15:17] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1149070 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/ (worker.cpp worker.h) We can forward-declare this include
[15:23] <txwikinger> Just FYI https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100712
[15:24]  * shadeslayer looks
[15:25] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: finally :D
[15:25] <maco> shadeslayer: very thin fabric, isnt it?
[15:25] <maco> yeah def dont want my kubuntu shirt getting wet while it's on me
[15:25] <shadeslayer> maco: apart from that the quality of the print feels cheap :(
[15:25] <shadeslayer> seeing from the fact that i paid 18 pounds for it
[15:26] <maco> heh youdont want to know what shipping to .us is
[15:26] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1149073 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp The worker timeout was a bit too high. Lowering it should help avoid potential problems with non-responsiveness on the worker's part
[15:26] <shadeslayer> i fear itll wash off after 5-6 cleaning cycles
[15:26] <shadeslayer> maco: you definitely dont want to know the shipping rates to india than
[15:27] <maco> Riddell ordered one delivered to his place for lower shipping and then brought it with him when he visited the US to hand to me cuz it was cheaper that way round
[15:27] <shadeslayer> *then
[15:27] <maco> oy... yeah....
[15:27] <shadeslayer> i shipped mine to UK.. and then someone got it for me from there
[15:27] <shadeslayer> maco: hehe :D
[15:27] <maco> when i tried doing that to have it go to Riddell's house, it told me it could only ship to billing address :(
[15:27] <maco> so i had to get him to order it
[15:28] <maco> i paid him back by buying him lunch as he wouldnt take cash
[15:28] <shadeslayer> maco: well... it has a option to change billing addresses now
[15:28] <maco> oh well thats handy
[15:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: allergic to money? :P
[15:30] <shadeslayer> maco: but its my first FOSS $DISTRO shirt... so,looks pretty cool
[15:30] <maco> i have an ubuntu shirt, but its a freebie, not actually my size
[15:30] <maco> plus, its gnome
[15:30] <maco> oh hm wait. duhhh forgot to count the UDS shirts
[15:30] <maco> those fit :)
[15:31] <maco> i have one of those "ask me about ubuntu" shirts you get in conference packs, and its like a men's large, and i'm a women's small....
[15:31] <shadeslayer> maco: i have a ubuntu shirt.. not a kubuntu one.. :P
[15:31]  * shadeslayer ducks
[15:32] <shadeslayer> ill get the kubuntu logo printed on the back :P
[15:32] <shadeslayer> ill get it printed so big the ubuntu logo looks teeny tiny :P
[15:37] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: hehe.. the last link ( the bigger picture ) points to compiz :P
[15:38] <ScottK> txwikinger: You might mention to triagers that the current k3b is available in lucid backports so people can test.
[15:38] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: also,can you set the row color of the bug i touched to green? i cant seem to do it correctly :D
[15:45] <txwikinger> ScottK: Yes will do
[15:48] <txwikinger> ScottK: done.. \
[15:48] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: done.. I also changed the instruction.. somehow they were wrong
[15:48] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: thanks :D
[15:53] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1149083 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/MainTab.cpp Hide knotify progress notifications. They were shown to be confusing, since KIO says that the job is "completed" regardless or not of whether it was completed successfully.
[16:16] <Quintasan> launchpad
[16:16] <Quintasan> must
[16:16] <Quintasan> die
[16:16] <Quintasan> in
[16:16] <Quintasan> a
[16:16] <Quintasan> fire
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hehe.. why?
[16:30] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If you have to ask, you'll never understand.
[16:30] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you set bug 596926 to some importance level? ( i think medium is good )
[16:30] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hehe :D
[16:31] <rbelem> agateau, ping
[16:31] <agateau> rbelem: pong, sorry for the inactivity on reviewboard
[16:31] <rbelem> agateau, np :-)
[16:32] <agateau> rbelem: akademy usually turns me into an offline human being
[16:32] <rbelem> eheheh
[16:32] <rbelem> :-)
[16:32] <rbelem> agateau, do you have time to take a look at the patch? :-)
[16:33] <agateau> rbelem: probably tomorrow
[16:33] <agateau> rbelem: i am catching up with email right now
[16:33] <rbelem> agateau, i think we are almost there \o/
[16:33] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1149093 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (MainWindow.cpp MainWindow.h) When we receive fetch errors or commit errors, save them in a queue that is presented to the user in a messagebox after the operation is finished. <- shadeslayer
[16:33] <agateau> rbelem: good
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> oh, and apachelogger ^
[16:33] <shadeslayer> good
[16:36] <rbelem> agateau, tomorrow i will be offline, but wednesday i will be back :-)
[16:37] <agateau> rbelem: ok
[16:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: me likes ++
[16:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna++
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> ^.^
[16:38] <ScottK> agateau: I see plasma-netbook fell off your autojoin list again.
[16:38] <agateau> ScottK: true
[16:38] <agateau> it's not in my trunk setup
[16:38]  * agateau connects
[16:39] <rbelem> apachelogger, do you know if the maverick package chain still broken?
[16:39] <apachelogger> should be good now
[16:39] <apachelogger> rbelem: are you going to testbuild?
[16:39] <rbelem> apachelogger, yep :-)
[16:39] <rbelem> apachelogger, i'm updating my pbuilder now
[16:40] <apachelogger> cool
[16:41] <rbelem> :-)
[16:44] <rbelem> hey ScottK 
[16:45] <ScottK> Hey rbelem
[16:45] <rbelem> :-)
[16:45] <rbelem> ScottK, i will test today if kdm-plasma is working
[16:45] <ScottK> rbelem: Excellent.
[16:46] <shadeslayer> ScottK: btw bug 472888 doesnt look like a k3b,right?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> more of a util-linux bug
[16:46] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I'm probably not the best person to ask.
[16:46] <shadeslayer> hmm .. ok
[16:46] <shadeslayer> anyone else?
[16:46]  * agateau pulls the maverick trigger on his laptop
[16:46] <rbelem> ScottK, and i will make the changes to the build system to it build out of kde-base-workspace
[16:46]  * ScottK looks at txwikinger (since he's mr bug day)
[16:47]  * ScottK nods
[16:47] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: https://launchpad.net/bugs/472888
[16:47]  * shadeslayer loves the ubuntu font and autohinting
[16:49] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: yes .. change it back to util-linux and ask the reporter to test it with lucid
[16:49] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: ok
[16:52] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: done
[16:53] <Tm_T> uh, is there yet any release of new ubuntu font?
[16:53] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: apart from the PPA?
[16:54] <Tm_T> what ppa?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: one sec
[16:54] <txwikinger> private ppa
[16:54] <txwikinger> all ubuntu members have access to that ppa 
[16:55] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: that ppa :D
[16:55] <txwikinger> it appears in the list of private ppas if you are an Ubuntu member
[16:55] <txwikinger> (All Kubuntu members are automatically also Ubuntu members!)
[16:55] <yofel> hm, k3b in lucid-backports is broken: bug 603913
[16:56] <Tscheesy> http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/the-ubuntu-font/
[16:56] <txwikinger> yofel: is this bug reproducible?
[16:56] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^
[16:56] <yofel> txwikinger: yes, sec
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> Looks like it was broken before lucid-backports
[16:58] <yofel> txwikinger: here's my full log http://paste.ubuntu.com/462589/
[16:58] <oxymoron> http://www.spotify.com/uk/blog/archives/2010/07/12/linux/ - Someone exciting to hack it so it works for Free users and not only Premium? :P
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> Though shouldn't update-manager have automagially removed k3b-i18n when it became orphaned on distribution upgrade?
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> like, back in jaunty days
[16:59] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Nope.
[16:59] <yofel> odd thing is, k3b-data 2.0.0-0ubuntu1 from maverick upgrades fine, 2.0.0-0ubuntu1~lucid1 fails
[17:00] <ScottK> Backports don't have translations stripped.
[17:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You have to ask mvo to add specfic removals to update-manager.
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> oh
[17:01] <yofel> ah
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: so, should I upload a ~lucid2 that conflicts/replaces k3b-i18n?
[17:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yes.  Please.
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Uploaded, should be in queue in a few minutes. I'm off to lunch now
[17:05] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.
[17:07] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Accepted.
[17:07] <ScottK> yofel: Fix is on the way.
[17:09] <yofel> :)
[17:09] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: will there be a new kubuntu wiki theme soonish?
[17:17] <apachelogger> oxymoron: go premium :P
[17:17] <apachelogger> hack done
[17:17] <apachelogger> \o/
[17:17]  * apachelogger likes how it is built using Qt
[17:17] <nixternal> ahh, shedding my councils...feels like a gian weight has been lifted
[17:18] <nixternal> giant weight, not weight gain :p
[17:18] <apachelogger> nixternal: you are not making sense :P
[17:18] <nixternal> what's new
[17:18]  * apachelogger hugs nixternal
[17:19] <nixternal> just put in my resignation for both the CC and the DMB
[17:19] <apachelogger> oh
[17:19] <shadeslayer> nixternal: CC,DMB?
[17:19] <nixternal> community council and the developer membership board
[17:19] <shadeslayer> ohh
[17:19] <apachelogger> nixternal: are you short of time?
[17:20] <apachelogger> I mean, more than usual :)
[17:20] <nixternal> no, just need to move on and find new adventures
[17:20] <nixternal> I have nothing but time
[17:20] <apachelogger> ah
[17:20] <apachelogger> nixternal: you could do something useful :P
[17:20] <apachelogger> like rewrite khc
[17:20] <nixternal> it is on my todo list honestly
[17:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: +1
[17:20]  * apachelogger just heared thunder when he hit send Oo
[17:20] <apachelogger> nixternal: mine too
[17:21] <nixternal> we should find some time and brainstorm
[17:21]  * apachelogger is all available as long as google pays him money to make the you bun too one come to the kay dee eee
[17:21] <nixternal> haha
[17:21] <nixternal> tell google to pay me too...i need money
[17:22] <apachelogger> kubotu: google plz send them money @ nixternal
[17:22] <kubotu> Results for plz send them money @ nixternal: 1. Funny spam email :: Richard A. Johnson: http://blog.nixternal.com/2009.01.27/funny-spam-email/ | 2. Richard A. Johnson - Consulting: http://www.nixternal.com/consulting | 3. MS Bing the default search engine in Firefox of Ubuntu? | Risto H ...: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2010/02/ms-bing-the-default-search-engine-in-firefox-of-ubuntu/
[17:22] <apachelogger> you ae all over the intartubs!
[17:22] <apachelogger> s/ae/are
[17:22] <nixternal> for the past week I have been doing carpentry type work and it has been fun
[17:22]  * apachelogger is afraid his widgetcraft talk is not done ^^
[17:22] <apachelogger> \o/
[17:22] <apachelogger> and it is insanely hot
[17:22] <nixternal> tis why i was offline...i ripped out the power and started fresh :)
[17:23] <apachelogger> nixternal: oh dear oh dear ^^
[17:23] <nixternal> haha
[17:23] <nixternal> no fires yet
[17:23] <apachelogger> *yet*
[17:23] <Mamarok> hey nixternal :)
[17:24] <nixternal> this weekend all i did was have my b-day party and drink to much...dunno why my party was this weekend since i still have a bit over 2 weeks until my b-day
[17:24] <nixternal> howday Mamarok 
[17:24] <Mamarok> I have a question about the Kubuntu feedback widget: since Lucid is LTS, shouldn't the feedback possibility be maintained?
[17:24] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Going premium isnt a solution and goes against what Spotify was meant for in the beginning. A free music streaming library with advertisement ;)
[17:25] <apachelogger> go apply for job and fix their client then
[17:25] <nixternal> Mamarok: it should be, but i was afk for a bit...something i need to add to my todo list?
[17:25] <nixternal> oxymoron: slacker radio > *
[17:25] <apachelogger> nixternal: you had bday? congrats
[17:25] <nixternal> my bday is a couple of weeks away
[17:25] <apachelogger> is that so?
[17:25] <apachelogger> did I know about it?
[17:25] <nixternal> my family gets together and celebrates both of my sisters and my b-day the same time
[17:26] <Mamarok> well, currently it says there is no survey available
[17:26] <nixternal> my sister had her 40th b-day last week, so it was more for her than anyone else
[17:26] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Maybe I will :P
[17:26] <oxymoron> nixternal: Slacker radio?
[17:26] <apachelogger> well, we are getting constantly older, so who cares ;)
[17:26]  * apachelogger needs to get planning a party 
[17:26] <apachelogger> I forgot all about my own bday ^^
[17:27] <nixternal> yeah...i love slacker and last.fm....they are both web based as their is no freely available api (anymore) and they have rockin' android clients/widgets
[17:27] <nixternal> yeah, gonna be 14 this year
[17:27] <nixternal> :p
[17:27] <apachelogger> 14 \o/
[17:29] <Mamarok> nixternal: currently it says there is no survey available
[17:29] <oxymoron> 21 myself, I feel like I am going old soon when 20+ :D
[17:29] <Mamarok> oxymoron: wait till you are my age, you will see that with totally different eyes :)
[17:30] <apachelogger> nixternal: did you see my plasmoid madness?
[17:30] <Mamarok> but that will be way in the future
[17:30] <nixternal> Mamarok: hrmm, ok..i will add that to my todo list....today i need to work on trying to make some money :)
[17:30] <nixternal> apachelogger: no i didn't
[17:30] <Mamarok> nixternal: no problem, take your time
[17:30] <apachelogger> you are missing out :P
[17:30] <apachelogger> nixternal: you should attend my widgetcraft talk :O
[17:30] <nixternal> when and where?
[17:30] <apachelogger> #ubuntu-classroom in 1.5
[17:31] <nixternal> make sure you ping me so I know to watch :)
[17:31] <apachelogger> I shall do so
[17:33] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Hehe :P I guess so :P But I feel quite young anyway and looks younger than I am :P Then I am in good health so I dont mind :P
[17:35] <yofel> *sigh* s/launchpad/timeout_page/
[17:35] <yofel> launchpad--
[17:36] <oxymoron> Mamarok: May I ask, do you have any tips to combine job/studies, family/girlfriend and hobbies? :) For the moment its hard to find an apartment, making my mind for continue my studies and then I need to be more with my gf (Distance relationship)
[17:37] <Mamarok> oy, that is sometimes hard to work out, but keep in mind that studies are important, the more you wait the less likely you will actually do it
[17:37] <Mamarok> and what distance?
[17:37] <Mamarok> a few km or thousands?
[17:39] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I have studies 2 years already, but missed some last term because of a depression last autumn. Now its hard to get back to studies again. Sometimes it feels like I just want to skip it and take my girls hand and travel to utopia :P
[17:39] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Uhm 342 kilometres :P
[17:40] <Mamarok> OK, let's take that to -offtopic :)
[17:40]  * shadeslayer follows Mamarok to ot
[17:56] <rbelem> apachelogger, the build finished
[17:56] <rbelem> apachelogger, http://paste.ubuntu.com/462603/
[18:03] <plan_rich> hey! what about the README.kde-at in the qt-kde git repo? i cant find it any more 
[18:03] <plan_rich> README.kde-qt*
[18:04] <Riddell> plan_rich: we have nothing to do with the qt-kde git repo
[18:04] <plan_rich> y but i use kubuntu and have to compile it to compile kdelibs and kdebase...
[18:05] <Riddell> you don't have to compile it, you could just use packaged Qt, we are involved in Qt packages, but we aren't involved in Qt git branches
[18:10] <plan_rich> well my specific problem is: 'Could NOT find QtCore.'
[18:11] <Riddell> got libqt4-dev installed ?
[18:11] <plan_rich> what packet contains QtCore?
[18:12] <Riddell> libqt4-dev
[18:12] <plan_rich> y
[18:21] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookies for markey
[18:21]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to markey.
[18:21] <apachelogger> rbelem: uploading then
[18:22] <nixternal> mmm, just had gumo and jumilaya for lunch
[18:22] <nixternal> gumbo
[18:22] <rbelem> cool! thanks apachelogger :-)
[18:22] <apachelogger> is that a space craft?
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: found this http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/757-KDE-4.1.0-+-Kubuntu-Ninjas.html
[18:26] <shadeslayer> the original ninja team \o/
[18:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: rbot fixed :)
[18:27] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=kSSXnjhs
[18:29]  * Mamarok drags markey out of the kitchen so he can grab his cookies
[18:30] <markey> apachelogger: awww thanks *nomnom*
[18:30] <markey> now I have melon and cookies
[18:34] <apachelogger> sweet
[18:34] <apachelogger> markey: I bet you did not get no cookies from them chakra people :P
[18:36] <markey> that's actually correct :)
[18:36] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I have been baking shortbread yesterday :)
[18:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: as far as I can tell we're unlikely to get a stable kdepim 4.5 for maverick so I'm going to branch your bzr commit of kdepim-runtime 4:4.4.85-0ubuntu1 and revert our main bzr branch to 4.4.5
[18:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok.. np
[18:39] <shadeslayer> that reminds me.. have to backport to lucid :P
[18:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: backport which?
[18:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdepim and kdepim-runtime
[18:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: they are in the ninja ppa for maverick
[18:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you didn't put kdepim packaging in bzr
[18:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: because i was fixing it :)
[18:40] <Riddell> I branched kdepim-runtime into ~kubuntu-members/kdepim-runtime/ubuntu4.5
[18:41] <Riddell> so when you're done with kdepim do a    bzr push lp:~kubuntu-members/kdepim/ubuntu4.5
[18:41] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:43] <Riddell> now the tricky part, getting kde-l10n to use kdepim 4.4 translations
[18:43] <shadeslayer> that would be apachelogger :P
[18:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw kdepim is usable here.. dunno why the devs think it isnt
[18:44] <Riddell> I think it's the upgrade from existing users which is problematic
[18:57] <apachelogger> about to talk about widgeting in #ubuntu-classroom
[18:57]  * apachelogger pokes nixternal
[18:58] <nixternal> yo yo
[19:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: go go
[19:06] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: he has only trollface lined up :S
[19:07] <shadeslayer> no playwidget :(
[19:18] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1149145 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp TODO: Comment cleanup
[19:28] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1149146 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/FilterWidget.cpp Sort our categories before inserting them in to the model, rather than relying on the model to sort them. In some languages "All" may not be on the top, alphabetically
[19:43] <Quintasan> no, seriously
[19:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: wtf is going on with ISP this week? first you, then Riddell and now me
[19:43] <Quintasan> ffs
[19:43] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:43] <Quintasan> why the hell they had to do maitnance in the middle of the damn day?
[19:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i got flooded out :P
[19:44] <ScottK> It's always the middle of the day somewhere.
[19:44] <shadeslayer> not maintainence :P
[19:44] <Quintasan> ScottK: but hell, 16-20 is the middle of the day in poland
[19:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: got to sleep .. bye :D
[19:59] <shadeslayer> awesome session tho
[20:01] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hey, ur plasmoid leaks mem
[20:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you are not telling the truth!!!!
[20:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: there, too much content for one hour
[20:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: trollface.jpg
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:02] <apachelogger> next time I shall do a motivational talk only
[20:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: >implying that making people go to work motivates them
[20:02] <Quintasan> :P
[20:02] <apachelogger> it is just to difficult to communicate real guidance in one hour esepcially with people with different existing knowledge 
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> http://all-thats-interesting.tumblr.com/post/453798400/what-my-spring-vacation-looks-like
[20:03] <apachelogger> time to continue watching the midnight episode
[20:07] <nixternal> apachelogger: good talk!
[20:12] <jussi> can we have power button by default on large screens?
[20:13] <jussi> please?
[20:45] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1149166 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Port MainTab to straight C++. Good-bye .ui!
[20:50] <Quintasan> apachelogger: how do I make trollface to work in amarok?
[20:57] <Quintasan> apachelogger: bsides, how do you record ur movies? when I record them they are soooooooo slow
[21:05] <Quintasan> kubotu: !package recorditnow maverick
[21:06] <Quintasan> !package recorditnow maverick
[21:06] <Quintasan> !package recorditnow
[21:06] <Quintasan> ffff
[21:09] <Blizzz> apachelogger: is it possible to fire up ajax requests within js plasmoids?
[21:10] <apachelogger> no clue how ajax works :P
[21:10] <apachelogger> but in general you can do just about anything javascripty
[21:10] <apachelogger> and if that is not enough you can stack the qtscriptbindings (as for example used by amarok) and expose almost all of Qt API for your use
[21:10] <arch0njw> Cheers, everyone!  I find myself with some spare time on my hands and I would love to get into the code of KDE a la Kubuntu.  What is the best place to start (other than here)?
[21:11] <apachelogger> Quintasan: install it using plasmapkg
[21:11] <Blizzz> basically it  is an asynchronous http request 
[21:11] <apachelogger> then in .kde/share/kde4/services there should be an appropriate desktop file
[21:11] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it doesnt show up in the menu
[21:11] <apachelogger> rename that to amarok-context-applet-trollface.desktop
[21:11] <apachelogger> then you need to add two entries to the bottom of it
[21:11] <Quintasan> oh
[21:11] <apachelogger> X-KDE-ParentApp=amarok
[21:11] <apachelogger> X-KDE-PluginInfo-Category=Current
[21:12] <apachelogger> then restart
[21:12] <apachelogger> and it should be there
[21:12] <apachelogger> maybe run kbuildsycoca4 before that
[21:12] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1149176 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/ (ChangelogTab.cpp MainTab.cpp) Don't leak our KTemporaryFiles for package changelogs and screenshots.
[21:12] <apachelogger> arch0njw: well, do  you want to do application development in general?
[21:13] <apachelogger> if so you should ask in #kde-devel since we try to do as much in KDE as possible
[21:14] <arch0njw> apachelogger: ok. I can hop over there. I've been reading here (https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development) and it looks like there are some starting points. But I work best with a real issue to resolve -- which means getting into the real code. I'll pester kde-devel as you suggest.
[21:15] <apachelogger> arch0njw: well, KDE tries to maintain a junior job list in their bugzilla, maybe ask for that
[21:15] <apachelogger> arch0njw: but in my experience it is best if you get started with something you are interested in
[21:16] <apachelogger> something that annoys you, something that you want fixed/implemented/improved...
[21:16] <arch0njw> apachelogger: that is good advice.  Heh... so dive straight into Akonadi and make it work properly? ;)  I think I need to find the wading end of the pool first.
[21:17] <arch0njw> apachelogger: the tutorials and junior jobs sounds like a good place for me to get my bearings and reckon the water temperature.
[21:17] <apachelogger> well
[21:17] <apachelogger> the akonadi people are always looking for new contributors
[21:17] <apachelogger> in fact they are sort of urging for more people ^^
[21:17] <Quintasan> damn, he makes me feel lazy
[21:18]  * Quintasan goes to update recorditnow and bring Qt to order
[21:18] <apachelogger> so although akonadi is a very large beast of code you can learn a lot and have a lot of people who are willing to teach you
[21:18] <arch0njw> Quintasan: who, me?  If so, don't worry.  I recently got axed -- so I have some spare time
[21:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan: better rewrite it in a sensible language first :P
[21:19] <apachelogger> that python wrapping is nothing but horrible IMHO
[21:19] <arch0njw> apachelogger: Quintasan:  oh, snap!
[21:19] <Quintasan> arch0njw: well, I'm still a student, being a student == holidays == being lazy all the time
[21:19] <apachelogger> in fact, last I used the Qt thingy it was rather unresponsive
[21:19] <Quintasan> apachelogger: how the hell Qt can be rewritten is more sensible language?
[21:19] <apachelogger> it is in pyqt
[21:19] <arch0njw> apachelogger: I think an easy starting point to get my bearings would be good.  You know... like a bug fix.  Once I have that bearing I'll gladly tackle Akonadi.  I do not fear the deep end of the pool... only drowning others as I learn.  ;)
[21:19] <Quintasan> Qt is not in PyQt
[21:20] <apachelogger> arch0njw: akonadi probably also has easy bug fixes ;)
[21:20] <apachelogger> arch0njw: or you could try yourself on kdepim 4.5
[21:20] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it's pythons fault for being crap
[21:20] <apachelogger> there are surely a lot of things to fix :D
[21:20] <apachelogger> Quintasan: hence I said rewrite in a more sensible language not using a more sensible toolkit :P
[21:20] <arch0njw> apachelogger: actually, that's where I'm wondering if the problem really is.  The annoyance I'd love to see fixed is the failure of Akonadi to start properly when Kontact is started.
[21:21] <apachelogger> arch0njw: that is akonadi, or rather mysql most of the time
[21:21] <arch0njw> apachelogger: I have tried what feels like a gagillion steps to hack it back into shape with configuration, but it is starting to smell like something isn't right with the synchronization of when things start.
[21:21] <apachelogger> there are a lot of reasons why akonadi would fail to start
[21:21] <apachelogger> 90% of them are related to mysql
[21:21] <apachelogger> unfortunately
[21:21] <Quintasan> WHAT THE HELL?
[21:22] <Quintasan> Joschy(joschy-snapshot-23-02-10 attached)
[21:22] <arch0njw> apachelogger: indeed, I, have, noticed... {pain}
[21:22] <Quintasan> lol @ adding svn code as a dependency
[21:22] <Quintasan> more lulz at adding it to source tree
[21:22] <apachelogger> arch0njw: one could always switch to postgresql ... also last I was poking them with my sonic screwdriver they were claiming support for sqlite was being consider
[21:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan: this is sweet
[21:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: what?
[21:23] <arch0njw> apachelogger: interesting.  But the killer thing is that I start Kontact, Akonadi barks, I close contact and then restart it... and then I get access to my address book, etc.
[21:23] <arch0njw> apachelogger: it is like Akonadi isn't starting fast enough and Kontact isn't waiting long enough.
[21:24] <Quintasan> apachelogger: how the hell I'm supposed to package that?
[21:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you are not
[21:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: write mail to upstream
[21:24] <apachelogger> go all sadly and tragic ;)
[21:24] <apachelogger> and a bit of whining will help too
[21:24] <apachelogger> arch0njw: that should be fixed in an update?
[21:24] <apachelogger> are you on lucid?
[21:25] <Quintasan> it's stupid, adding svn code as a build dependency just because he needs more uploading services
[21:25] <apachelogger> I raised the error timeout to 5 minutes or so
[21:25] <arch0njw> apachelogger: Indeed I are on the Lucid Lynx.  It is mostly lucid.
[21:25] <apachelogger> then it is not timing
[21:26] <apachelogger> what I could imagine is that at logout your akonadi does not terminate properly and leaves the database in dirty state which apparently causes problems at next startup
[21:26] <Tm_T> apachelogger: is it intended that ubuone crashes with segfault when exiting?
[21:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: of course it is, it is upstream ;)
[21:26] <apachelogger> Tm_T: yes
[21:26] <apachelogger> well
[21:26] <apachelogger> not exactly
[21:26] <apachelogger> something in Qt 4.7 or KDE 4.5 is causing it
[21:27] <apachelogger> and since I do not have appropriate builds to precisely debug either I cannot exactly tell who is at fault
[21:27] <apachelogger> but I am quite confident that it is not ubuntuone but something in the destructors underneath it, where apparently one dtor tries to access stuff that was already nuked by another one
[21:27] <apachelogger> very ugly situation
[21:27] <arch0njw> apachelogger: interesting.  Sounds like I have some mining in the troubleshooting wiki to do... assuming that issue is documented.
[21:28] <Tm_T> apachelogger: Qt 4.6
[21:28] <Tm_T> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/462682/
[21:28] <apachelogger> arch0njw: you need to read your error logs ;)
[21:29] <apachelogger> arch0njw: I doubt searching will help much, because people constantly get the cause wrong, which is probably the fault of the dialog though
[21:29] <arch0njw> apachelogger: heh.  I'll finish that "read your error logs" with a "more thoroughly".  Most of it is senseless to me since I don't know alot about the various parts.
[21:29] <apachelogger> for example we have a bug report that is about "resource agents not found" while indeed in all but one case presented there this error is caused by something failing prior to the resource agent stuff
[21:30] <arch0njw> apachelogger: which is not to say that the Rosetta Stone decoding will not happen ;)
[21:30] <apachelogger> arch0njw: I recommend you get yourself a user where you can break akonadi and look for yourself ;)
[21:30] <apachelogger> I myself like to explore things by trial and error :)
[21:31] <arch0njw> apachelogger: definitely tried that.  feel like i'm running a bit in circles.  But, hey, if at first you don't succeed...
[21:31] <Quintasan> apachelogger: few Sirs here and there and I will get my small package back :P
[21:32] <Quintasan> yeah
[21:32] <Quintasan> Qt build
[21:32] <Quintasan> uploaded to PPA
[21:32] <apachelogger> arch0njw: in a bash terminal -> akonadi[tab] -> a whole lot of binaries to try do things with ;)
[21:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you are the evil
[21:32] <Quintasan> I am the mastah!
[21:33] <apachelogger> so you can hear the drums?
[21:33] <steveire_> Please don't play with random akonadi resources or agents. The server will start those.
[21:33] <apachelogger> steveire_: in a testing account :P
[21:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: drums?
[21:33] <steveire_> All you should need is akonadictl and akonadiconsole
[21:33] <apachelogger> steveire_: that said, I would find it appropriate to not have them in the standard bin location
[21:34] <apachelogger> like kde got libexec for the special stuff
[21:45] <steveire_> Interesting idea
[22:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: who do I poke for more space in PPA? The Qt itself is taking 50% :O
[22:24] <Riddell> Quintasan: you have to ask a question at answers.launchpad.net/launchpad I thik
[22:31] <Quintasan> okay
[22:35] <yofel> any chance to get k3b 2 in karmic? (To answer #2 of bug 599061)
[23:32] <rbelem> hey guys, do you know why kdebase-workspace-dev is not installing /usr/include/kephal/screens.h anymore?
[23:45] <rbelem> ScottK, ^