[00:19] IdleOne: What and idiot. [00:20] just a troll [00:29] can i be unbanned from #ubuntu, please? [00:29] nocturnus: you know why you were banned? [00:37] longer you wait to answer Tm_T the longer it will take to resolve this ban [00:37] nocturnus: [00:42] oh i'm sorry, I went to do something meanwhile since usually it takes a while to answer [00:42] i was banned for swearing [00:42] [ i had to take some garbage bags out ] [00:50] nocturnus: you have been banned on several occasions [00:50] i apologise [00:50] How can we be certain this is going to be any different? [00:50] because i came back two weeks after the ban [00:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ [00:51] I assume you have read those links before? [00:51] i've read those [00:51] you going to follow them this time? [00:54] also the reason you are being sent here is because your using a proxy [00:59] i'm using freenode web chat, you could see my IP address if i wasn't signed in. its not spoofed. [01:00] i think we all try to follow the rules but sometimes we get carried away in our rage, and i'm making the progression to a calmer life [01:03] nocturnus: last time you refused to change your behaviour after several warnings [01:03] it was the heat of the moment, literally, probably [01:04] there's no excuses for bad behaviour (: [01:04] nocturnus: can you promise you wont get "heat of the moment" anymore? [01:04] yes [01:04] LjL called the ops in #ubuntu (WhoRez) [01:05] looks like stopped [01:07] nocturnus: I'm willing to let you in, but I hope you understand that if you slip from the right behaviour, you might find yourself banned way longer time [01:07] that's right [01:10] nocturnus: ok, ban is removed, have a pleasant staying (: [01:10] thanks, Tm_T [01:10] i still can't join, Tm_T [01:11] if you're trying to let nocturnus join Tm_T, he's banned by host too [01:12] LjL: can you provide me the mask? [01:12] Tm_T: CPE000d88c30c46-CM00407b862c36.cpe.net.cable.roger [01:14] nocturnus: you should leave #ubuntu-proxy-users and rejoin [01:14] okay [01:14] should be able to join now [01:14] sorry I'm bit slow [01:15] it works now, bye [01:15] :) [01:15] thanks LjL [01:15] thank you both [01:15] NO thank you Tm_T [01:15] :) [01:15] group hug? [01:15] IdleOne: Harsh. [01:15] harsh? [01:16] Punctuation is Important™. [01:16] heh [01:16] yes, thank you jpds [01:16] * Tm_T huggles everyone in the room of ops [01:16] jpds: Go to bed! [01:17] * jpds hugs back. [01:17] * IdleOne huggles [01:17] heh [01:17] goodnight [01:17] (i'm sorry that i'm so little-clothed, sweaty and stinky) [01:17] IdleOne: But I'm too tired to go to bed... [01:17] * knome huggles back anyway [01:17] knome: so are we [01:17] yummy [01:18] jpds: grab a book and read [01:18] not a laptop [01:18] a book [01:18] Right, g'night everyone. [01:18] nite [01:43] HUGGLES [01:43] Did I miss them? ⢁( [01:50] * knome huggles funkyHat twice [01:50] YAAAY [01:51] * funkyHat huggles knome [01:51] :] [02:52] :3 [02:56] :4 ! [03:30] hi Sary, how can we help you? [04:23] annach in #u? [06:16] watch annach [06:16] using MS Comic Chat so that gobbledygook shows up before all their messages [06:16] gets abusive when told to turn it off and get a decent client [06:21] kull in #ubuntu is telling people to run commands that are obviously bogus, like "/path/to/drive/ restart". I think it's just out of ignorance rather than malice but he refuses to stop. [06:21] ugh [06:23] oneart88: something we can help you with? [06:26] Niglop runs Mint [06:26] oneart88: do you need op assistance or are you just here to eavesdrop? [06:26] oneart88: State your business here or part the channel please. [06:27] great spangled fritillary! [06:27] mneptok: can we do something about Sary also? [06:28] or are they part of the ops team? [06:29] they should have +v if they are [06:29] been here a few hours at least without speaking [06:30] Sary: if you have business here, please let us know what it is. if you do not, please part the channel. should you do neither, you may expect a /kick shortly. it's not personal, but we do actually enforce the "no idling" policy. [07:00] good morning evil comrades. :P [07:30] "How do I feel about myself? I try, I am resourceful, I contribute. I belong when I contribute." [07:53] Tm_T: no, just that other people can ask fellow users to stop before entering into a flamefest. as an op it's difficult to do either comfortably :) [07:55] topyli: shut up. [07:55] * mneptok kisses topyli passionately [07:56] mixed signals, but effective! [07:56] it's nothing if not intriguing! [08:39] hey for some reason I can't get into #ubuntu [08:39] and I have a tech support issue dealing with Tor and Lucid Lynx [08:39] #tor on OFTC doesn't seem to have any idea [08:44] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1255 users, 0 overflows, 1255 limit)) [08:44] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1255 users, 0 overflows, 1255 limit)) [08:44] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1257 users, 0 overflows, 1257 limit)) [08:44] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1255 users, 0 overflows, 1255 limit)) [08:44] That was just netsplit [10:50] hi [10:50] can anyone com in #ubuntu [10:51] what's up [10:53] indus please don't continue offtopic in #ubuntu [10:53] ok [10:54] thanks (: [10:54] you mean :) ? [10:56] yes, just left handed (: [11:00] oh [11:00] left handed [11:00] anywys see you [11:00] thanks [11:00] indus: what did Tm_T just say to you [11:00] indus: about offtopic conversation [11:01] utter joke in #ubuntu with indus [11:02] here we go again [11:02] indus: what did Tm_T say to you in #ubuntu-ops before you left about being offtopic [11:02] ikonia, i dont want to discuss with you [11:02] you seemto have some seriousissues really [11:03] no - you seem unable to follow the rules [11:03] i stopped immediately when he toldme to [11:03] indus: you're "hi" conversation started 3 other people discussing/messing around with "hi" comment [11:03] indus: you didn't you said "never" [11:03] ya thats not my fault [11:03] you had to argue it, rather than just stop [11:03] take it with them [11:03] indus: it was your fault, you kept saying "hi" you lead the discussion, after Tm_T told you to stop [11:03] I then told you to stop in cahnnel and you said "never" [11:04] you are the king of arguing so why dont you leave me alone [11:04] what choice to you leave me ? [11:04] others have told me the same btw [11:04] no, you just have to follow the guidelines of people [11:04] ikonia: there's no need for excessive greetings [11:04] Tm_T: I know this [11:04] i follow everyone's but i dont want to follow yours [11:04] indus: then you won't get back into the channel [11:04] ikonia: I meant indus: (: [11:04] it's that simple [11:04] because you are 99 % always over the top [11:04] indus: if you refuse to follow operators or even community members guidence, then you can't use the channel [11:05] i need another operate to come in here [11:05] indus: I am here [11:05] I'll leave it there, please come back when you are willing to follow peoples guidence [11:05] i refuse to argue with this ikonia fellow [11:05] people there are stuck for help and i was helping at least 2 [11:06] that doesn't give you the right to ignore instructions [11:06] indus: sorry, but you deliberately ask for offtopic discussion with your excessive greetings and commenting [11:06] ikonia, let me make it clear to your mr. i stick to the rules, and you seem to have a habit of nit picking [11:06] Tm_T, 1 instance [11:06] 1 instance, that when you where told to stop you said "never" to [11:06] indus: also personal attacks aren't welcome here [11:06] Tm_T, i left the other one after you said so [11:07] Tm_T, he is personally attacking me always [11:07] but you purposfully ignored my instruction [11:07] I'm not attacking you - I asked you to stop, you said "never" what choice do you give me ? [11:07] indus: I haven't seen that happening this time, and no, ignoring ikonias requests/instructions isn't right, even when you think he is wrong [11:08] indus: if you think an op is wrong, come here to discuss about it instead of acting against him/her [11:08] so what exactly is the problem is i greet someone [11:08] you didn't greet someone [11:08] you started messing around saying "hi" to everone [11:08] someone did and i greet him back [11:08] and that provokes others to join in [11:08] indus: you said hi about 5 times [11:09] so if everyone want s to say hi, what is the problem [11:09] there are 1400 people in the cahnnel [11:09] they all can't say hi [11:09] yes, sure please record it , indus banned for saying hi 5 times [11:09] the others only started saying 2hi as you where messing around [11:09] yes iam messing around [11:09] so true [11:09] indus: if you'd have just said "hi" that would have been fine [11:10] but you didn't you started playing around with "hi" in the channell, which encourages others, then when I told you to stop you said never [11:10] ok you are correct, [11:10] that is why you where banned [11:10] if thats what you like to hear [11:10] not really [11:10] but I've carried this on longer than I should, so until you are willing to accept the guidence given to you by operators and community members, you can remain out of ubuntu [11:11] even if i say, i accept , you will say , ah i dont believe you, [11:11] at the moment, yes, as you made it clear above you will not follow my instrcution [11:11] so take 24 hours to think about it, and come back and confidently say you will [11:11] intruction even [11:11] indus: sorry, but we have to trust your words, and currently your whole attitude is against you [11:11] ugh [11:11] instruction [11:12] the problem with you guys is, you keep the trolls in and keep genuine herlpers out [11:12] s/have to/have to be able to [11:12] indus: if you see a troll, please help us spotting it [11:13] i had this discussion last time with ikonia but it went the same way [11:13] same after a few months or year [11:13] the same flimsy excuse [11:13] and after telling me you are banned for 5 days, i find iam still locked for more than that [11:14] indus: if ikonia wouldn't acton this, I would [11:14] Tm_T, on what grounds [11:14] Tm_T, for saying hi iam sure [11:14] indus: what has been said before, you continued generating unneeded noise to the channel after being asked to stop [11:15] sorry, iam not an op and neither am i trained to be like you [11:16] it doesn't take (much) training to stop when asked [11:16] Tm_T, when an op says stop, i listen, but if he asks me to stop saying hi, sorry wont do it [11:16] read the context [11:17] the comment is not about repeating or random chatter [11:17] indus: excessive greeting is both of those in my point of view [11:17] i would like to go back in now, thanks [11:18] Tm_T, so 1 time excessive greeting and ban ? [11:18] no [11:18] Tm_T, i like to say hi always [11:18] some people like to curse always, we don't allow that either [11:18] bad analogy [11:19] would public aways be better analogy? [11:19] hi Jordan_U [11:19] good argument [11:19] huage_ in #ubuntu [11:19] I'll look [11:19] who heads your moderation [11:19] Thanks. [11:20] ah wait, no one replies to that mail anyway [11:21] indus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess [11:21] Tm_T, tried that, doesnt work [11:22] Tm_T, how about mark himself ? [11:22] you think that will work ? [11:22] no, I don't think so [11:22] show me an example of someone who appealed and won [11:23] none iam sure [11:23] I don't follow appeal processes, as I'm not part of any of those councils [11:23] anyways, dont want to waste your time more [11:24] that is ok too [11:24] let me know how much more i need to kiss your behinds to get back in [11:24] ... [11:24] he's like this all the time [11:24] he refuses to follow any rules [11:26] I'll comment the ban entry [11:27] I would have tried to get him stopping it with more gentle way but apparently ban would have been result anyway [11:28] when can i check back [11:28] !away > KenjiP0p [11:28] i need to know this [11:28] at least 24 hours [11:28] think about if you are comfortable following instructions from the community [11:28] what happens in that time [11:28] just think about if y ou are comfortable following the guidence from others [11:28] why do you keep repeating this [11:29] ok i have a meeting, ill talk later [11:29] you're asking what happens, I'm just explaining use that time to think if you can follow the rules [11:29] its very simple, nothing will change in 24 hours, some day i will do it and you will kick me , and its a circle [11:29] for the silliesto f reasons [11:29] indus: ban will NOT be removed until we are discussed it with you and found ourselves comfortable having you in the channel, and this discussion cannot take place sooner than 24 hours or more from now [11:29] hang on [11:30] indus: no-one wants to kick or ban you, and no-one wants you to stop saying hi to people [11:30] indus: however, if you say hi to everyone and mess around using hi, others get involved and it disrupts the channel [11:30] so when someone tells you to stop, it's not because they want you to not say "hi" just don't go crazy with it [11:30] and i also repeat, i have immense respect for the ops but let the users be themselves a bit [11:31] indus: sorry - that doesn't work in a channel with 1400+ people [11:31] #ubuntu-offtopic is available for a more casual discussion channel [11:31] that's why #ubuntu is a little more strict on idle chatter and offtopic conversation, as you saw from your instances, others join in and it grows [11:32] everyone, and I do mean everyone, myself included, slips up on the guidelnes of the channel [11:32] the difference is, if someone guides you to stop, stop (maybe discuss it later or in private if you don't know why) - you shouldl stop [11:33] so it won't be a case of you'll get kicked in the futre, if you slip up or get carried away someone (not just an op) may ask you to stop, or take it to #ubuntu-offtopic [11:34] if you can do that, there will be no problem, need to kick/ban you [11:34] the issue here (and other times) is that you argue it or activly refuse to follow the request or instruction [11:34] hopefully that explains what's happening a little better ? [11:41] indus: if you are away from your desk, please leave the channel and come back in 24 hours to discuss removing your ban. Remember to just take a little time to think about if you can follow instruction please. [11:49] ok - can someone please remove indus [12:31] !logs [12:31] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [12:47] hi [12:49] anyone here [13:02] hi [13:02] hi [13:04] indus: hello, did you see what ikonia said before you were removed from the channel? [13:04] i would like to see 1 example of a user complaining against an op and his request being heeded [13:04] Tm_T, thanks, i can read [13:04] that's not what I asked though [13:05] Tm_T, what are you asking [13:05] indus: did you see what ikonia said before you were removed from the channel? I cannot be sure because you were idle so possibly removing from the channel erased your backlog [13:06] Tm_T, no i have history, i read it, iam here not for that anyway, [13:06] ok then [13:07] Tm_T, i had sent email to irccouncil once but didnt get any replies [13:07] why are you asking such an example? [13:07] indus: you should try again, it could be more responsive these days [13:07] because if there is not even a single case, then is nt it pretty obvious how biased you are [13:08] there's plenty of cases I'm sure, we just dont keep separate records of those [13:08] do you have any irc logs for proof [13:08] !logs [13:08] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [13:08] saying 'plenty of cases' isnt really proof [13:08] I know, and unfortunately I'm not willing to dig thru the logs to find any proof [13:09] yes , someone asked for proof and its in your court then isnt it [13:09] but oh oh why would you do that anyway [13:09] * Pici is confused [13:10] you guys do things as you feel is right, i dont want to be the lone person complaining to the council [13:10] indus: considering the vast amount of logs... [13:10] sorry, proof of what? [13:10] Seeker`: that any complaints against ops have been pulled thru [13:11] fact is, you dont have any such cases [13:11] unless you have proof [13:11] why would i post to the council if that aint gonna do any thing at all [13:11] I am aware of cases where operators have been asked to change the way they behave based on a users complaint [13:12] tried once, failed [13:12] however, it isn't done in public, and as such, there isn't a public record of it [13:12] indus, We're discussing your behaviour here, nobody elses. [13:12] wow, more ops join in [13:12] great [13:12] indus: this is ops channel so what did you expect? [13:12] 1 against 10 ? [13:13] no this is not a gangup [13:13] how come i never see a single op saying, oh oh indus, yours is a minorthing, ill let you go in again [13:13] we are too busy removing spammers and bots and other pron stars [13:14] no no, you remove me ,who might add a few lines of chatter but also help quite a few in that channel [13:14] but you are more interested in reading your rule buck and kicking legitimate users [13:14] book* [13:15] sorry, but if you blatantly refuse to listen when asked, then we have no other possibilities than to remove from the channel [13:15] Hello respected operators. [13:15] rocket16: how can we help you? [13:15] because i repeated the word 'hi' more than 2 times [13:15] Tm_T, maybe you are making an unreasonable and trivial request [13:15] Seeker`: I saw that there is no channel for Laptop support of Ubuntu. Can't one such channel be created? [13:16] Seeker`: I mean, specially for laptops and notebooks. [13:16] indus: this has been explained to you often enough, in very good way by ikonia over an hour ago, if you do not desire to proceed with your issue, then I have to ask you to leave this channel [13:16] rocket16, this is more suited to #ubuntu-irc I think [13:16] and of course if i protest, here iam made to land justifying and wasting time [13:16] elky: Ok, :) [13:16] Thanks all, I am asking in #ubuntu-irc [13:16] rocket16: thanks, bye [13:17] indus: we have our procedures, if you don't desire to follow them, we cannot help you [13:17] now you ask me to leave, you guys cant give a decent hearing either [13:17] indus: I apoligize that your other email to the IRCC was not responded to. I admit that it may have fallen through the cracks. I don't want you to think that any attempts at contacting us are futile. If this current situation reaches that point you may feel free to contact the IRCC. I will make sure that it is responded to. [13:17] indus: we have discussed this with you several times, no point to continue if we are just repeating ourselves [13:17] Pici, thanks [13:18] frankly, i will wait 24 hours, and come back in tomorrow here but it wont change anything about you [13:19] i might get back in #ubuntu also if the operator lords so wish, but moderation of some of you is poor [13:19] learn a thing or two from the forum mods i suggest [13:20] if it werent for my liking for ubuntu ,i would have gotten lost long ago from here [13:20] but its a shame i have to suck up to you for this sort of thing [13:21] you don't have to suck up [13:21] just follow the rules [13:21] i will contact the council just to make sure there is a council which exists [13:21] but that is probably lorded over by you and your friends who sit together and laugh at mails [13:21] only the IRCC sees the mails. [13:22] i had the same problem last time and they didnt even bother to respond, and it was a full 1 page email with irc log proofs [13:22] elky, yea right like tyou gjuys dont know them personally [13:23] indus, I've not met any of the current IRCC, no. [13:23] i might be mighty angry now, but my opinion isnt gonna change in 24 hours [13:23] indus, this seems to have gone wildly off track, ranting about the process in here isn't really productive, is there anything else we can help you with? [13:23] oh 1 more op [13:24] classic gangin up [13:24] see you in 24 hours [13:24] :/ [13:24] what are we supposed to do, let you get your way just because you want to refuse a decision? [13:39] how do i find out todays log [13:40] !logs [13:40] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [13:52] In #ubuntu-offtopic, NoCode said: !questions is You cannot ask about your existence. [13:53] Sure. [14:23] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1456 users, 0 overflows, 1458 limit)) [14:23] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1460 users, 0 overflows, 1463 limit)) [14:23] yikes [14:23] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1460 users, 0 overflows, 1463 limit)) [14:23] WTF. [14:24] please set perma +r [14:24] Already done. [14:26] is staff aware there is bots in -unregged? [14:26] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (banlist full) [14:26] Wasn't there a +R? [14:26] there was [14:26] jpds: +R = +q $~a [14:26] Pici: ... [14:26] although even after (at least, "after" on my server) it, the flooding went on :\ [14:28] i really don't get how they managed to go on flooding [14:29] on my server, the +rq was set at :19 [14:29] and the bots only stopped flooding at :26 [14:29] that's a bit... long [14:29] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1443 users, 0 overflows, 1468 limit)) [14:29] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1443 users, 0 overflows, 1468 limit)) [14:29] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1443 users, 0 overflows, 1478 limit)) [14:29] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1443 users, 0 overflows, 1478 limit)) [14:29] Well that's fun. [14:31] +r unset [14:31] is it? [14:31] Pici: no, because you reset it :P [14:31] just reset [14:32] well i said that before you reset it! [14:32] I'm going to unban the rest of those hosts that the bots banned so we aren't stuck with a full banlist [14:32] why bot unsets it if it's manually put up? [14:32] yeah [14:32] Pici: great, thanks (: [14:32] why? [14:32] Tm_T: because the bots set it again themselves due to the -unregged mass join [14:32] LjL: ah, I see [15:03] Lets see how this goes. [15:30] empathy seems to support qq [15:30] it does [15:30] pidgin as well [15:33] qq? [15:33] Good morning. [15:33] IdleOne: Chinese messaging thingy. [15:34] jpds: ah, ok. [16:01] Does anyone actually use gadu-gadu? [16:01] FloodBotK1 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from erUSUL`s-DICK) [16:02] James147 called the ops in #kubuntu () [16:02] #kubuntu needs help :/ [16:03] funkyHat: Polish people? [16:04] thought gadu-gadu was a French chat thingy [16:04]