[00:32] apachelogger: argh [00:32] https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+build/1865815 [00:32] how come debug libs are only 1,2 kbyte? [00:35] wut [00:35] Why did LP disable stripping on PPA Build? [00:36] only dbgsym creation is disabled, you can build a -dbg package with manual dh_strip ... [00:36] I mean auto-generation of debug symbols [00:37] dh_strip --dbg-package=project-neon-qt-dbg [00:37] *auto generation of debug symbol packages [00:37] I'm doing it like this [00:37] then it should work, at least it works for me [00:37] dh_strip debug symbol extraction: disabling for PPA build [00:37] dh_strip debug symbol extraction: not doing anything since NO_PKG_MANGLE is given [00:37] :/ [00:38] I *think* that comes from the pkg-create-dbgsym package that usually takes care of building -dbgsym packages in the buildds but is disabled on PPA buildds [00:38] let me check one of my build logs [00:40] yep (I build filezilla svn snapshots here): [00:40] dh_strip --dbg-package=filezilla-dbg [00:40] dh_strip debug symbol extraction: disabling for PPA build [00:40] dh_strip debug symbol extraction: not doing anything since NO_PKG_MANGLE is given [00:40] the filezilla-dbg package is built fine [00:40] yeah, but it contains nothing [00:41] not here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/ppa/+build/1811325 [00:42] haaa?! [00:42] it generates nothing here [00:42] https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+build/1865815 [00:47] indeed, the .deb is empty... [00:48] rbelem: I think lex79 packaged it. I'd ask him when he's around. [00:48] grr [00:49] yofel: I'll try using dh_strip.pkg-create-dbgsym [00:50] ScottK, ok, thanks :-) [00:51] ScottK, i need that to build kdm outside kdebase-workspace [00:51] And it's still in the source then? [00:51] It may be inadvertent. [00:51] I'd rather ask him to make sure. [00:52] ScottK, yep! it still in the source [01:07] ScottK, and i think that it would be nice to have kdebase-workspace-4.4.92/libs/ files being installed by kdebase-workspace-dev or by a new dev package [01:14] everyone having fun today? [01:17] jjesse: Did you see my answer to your blog post question? [01:19] ScottK yes i did [01:19] thanks [01:19] just need to make the change :) [01:19] jjesse: I had to figure out that same question last week ... [01:19] jjesse: Want me to make it for you? [01:19] i think jcastro told me once [01:19] actually could you [01:20] (it's easy enough) [01:20] Sure. [01:20] my ubuntu vm isn't running right now [01:23] jjesse: Done. [01:23] thank you ser [01:24] sir [01:24] AFAIK it's not retroactive though. [01:25] i don't think it is [01:25] no worries [01:25] thanks for making the change [01:26] No problem. You're welcome. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [02:50] Hi, is anybody working on project neon? [03:03] or have best practices for setting up a build enviornment? [03:15] MrDarkUser: I think Quintasan is your man. [03:16] quoting from bash: [13:30] [07:51:29] sheytan: well, I will need testers for Project Neon soon [03:16] :-) [03:30] Quintasan, I'm willing to be a fresh dumb new user of neon on 10.04 if I can help [05:49] hola [08:13] dholbach: I have a help request. Could you please examine why https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krename/4.0.4-2ubuntu1/+build/1864396 is repeatedly failing? [08:13] ^^ is for everyone [08:23] I have a help request. Could someone please examine why https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krename/4.0.4-2ubuntu1/+build/1864396 is repeatedly failing? [08:25] bilalakhtar: have you filed a bug? [08:27] valorie: where? [08:27] valorie: I was the one who got the package uploaded [08:27] ah [08:27] sorry === hrw|gone is now known as hrw [08:46] I have a help request. Could someone please examine why https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krename/4.0.4-2ubuntu1/+build/1864396 is repeatedly failing? [08:48] bilalakhtar: it will not help to repeat yourself [08:48] if they are asleep, they are asleep [08:57] bilalakhtar: The following packages have unmet dependencies: [08:57] kdelibs5-dev: Depends: kdoctools (= 4:4.4.90-0ubuntu3) but it is not going to be installed [08:58] sounds like somethings not built/something else has failed to build to me. [10:33] Quintasan: wrong override? [10:43] apachelogger: why is it wrong? [10:46] just a guess [10:46] * apachelogger is having a KDE day, so he will not look at the log :P [10:47] yo, apachelogger [10:47] I think half term evaluations are this week [10:47] always these evaluations [10:47] are you able to send me a summary of what you've done and what you're going to do and how I should test it and evaluate progress? [10:48] sure [10:48] preferably today :) [10:51] Riddell: should be in by 14 UTC [10:51] * apachelogger is sort of tied up in his own ruby madness right now :S === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm [11:33] hi muesli [11:33] hey :) [11:34] muesli \o/ [11:35] * apachelogger hugs muesli and while he is at it the whole channel [11:35] that's a big hug! [11:36] ^^ [11:36] apachelogger: that's a warm fuzzy welcome :-) [11:38] * davmor2 feels sorry for the ones in the middle getting squished [11:39] muesli: then I did something wrong, it was meant to be fluffy ;) [11:39] http://fluffy.jussi01.com/ [11:40] apachelogger: jeez, i tried to find an iso latel [11:40] but i've been told there isn't really one yet [11:40] well there is [11:40] alpha1 [11:40] poor konqui looks like on lsd on that page ;) [11:40] http://tiny.cc/fa1 [11:40] apachelogger: got a link? :) [11:40] thanks [11:42] nice, 4mb/s [11:44] sandsmark is running a nice swarm ;) [11:45] OH MY GOD!!! [11:45] Nightrose: I got an A on the knowledge management course [11:45] \o/ [11:45] congratulations [11:45] where did you put all you knowledge to keep it managed? [11:46] a semantic wiki ^^ [11:46] qt-assistant-compat passed new, someone needs to get the rdepends built against it [11:53] fabo: why do you say "Qt Multimedia is now shipped from Qt Mobility API instead of Qt." when the multimedia bits are all commented out in your qtmobility packaging? [11:55] Riddell: because it's not ready? [11:57] Mamarok: well that didn't stop them shipping it with qt 4.6 :) [11:57] Riddell: there still is not much more available in 4.7 AFAICS [11:57] fabo: why the change of binary name? libqt4-webkit -> libqtwebkit4 ? [12:01] fabo: hmm, you just made qtmobility build-dep on qtwebkit? what's that for? qtwebkit will need to build-dep on qtmobility for multimedia in HTML5 support [12:07] Riddell: it is commented because I don't have Qt 4.7 without multimedia at that time [12:08] Riddell: next upload, multimediakit is shipped [12:08] yeah, just saw that commit you did [12:08] if you build Qt + multimedia -> Qt Mobility don't want to build mmkit [12:09] Qt - multimedia -> Qt Mobility builds with mmkit [12:09] Riddell: for the binary name, Qt doesn't follow library package name [12:10] it's a long standing issue [12:10] with qtwebkit, I could smoothly split that way [12:11] libqt4-webkit is now a dummy package [12:12] Riddell: now, we should resolve the latest issue [12:12] fabo: what's the latest issue? [12:14] misread then -> qtwebkit will need to build-dep on qtmobility [12:14] fabo: looking at current qtwebkit it has gone back to using phonon [12:15] "# We require phonon. QtMultimedia support is disabled currently." says WebCore/WebCore.pro [12:15] but that might change at some point [12:15] yes, simon tells me some weeks ago they aren't ready to use Qt multimedia [12:15] fabo: why does qtmobility need qtwebkit? [12:16] Riddell: only for fetchgooglemaps example ;) [12:16] * Fix FTBFS with Ubuntu's Qt 4.7 packages: [12:16] - Drop usr/bin/fetchgooglemaps from debian/qtmobility-examples.install [12:17] that's in our qtmobility ^^ [12:17] probably that's because our qtwebkit is already separated [12:17] because of the missing b-d on qtwebkit dev [12:17] that's a choice [12:18] silly upstream and their circular dependencies [12:18] I guess dropping the example + b-d is the preferred way [12:20] so main problem for ubuntu is how to sync qtwebkit when we already have a larger version number. don't fancy raising your epoch to 5 do you fabo? :) [12:20] haha [12:21] let me take a look at current Ubuntu packages and try to find a smooth way to resync [12:22] Riddell: mail sent [12:22] heys guys [12:22] we're on 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1, I don't think there's any very elegant way to resync [12:22] hi eMyller [12:22] speaking of qtwebkit, does anyone know why it's doesn't support quite well some css3 stuff? [12:23] like border-radius, etc. i wanted to know if it's up to webkit itself or the qt version only [12:23] eMyller: report bug [12:23] not I, you'd need to ask upstream [12:24] eMyller: try to use another webkit implementation to check if it is qtwebkit specific [12:24] Riddell: well, since our binary name differs from a deb POV we should be able to sync current debian package ;) [12:24] ie chrome [12:24] apachelogger: but the source is the same [12:24] aight [12:24] fabo: chrome's and qt's webkit version are the same [12:24] rename the source ;) [12:24] but chrome shows everything smoothly [12:25] eMyller: no ;) [12:25] so it could be a Qt WebKit bug [12:25] fabo: no @ implementation? [12:26] eMyller: yeah, they differ [12:26] i see; but well, qtwebkit always had problems *here*. will report a bug. thanks :) [12:28] eMyller: http://webkit.org/new-qtwebkit-bug [12:28] fabo: isn't it specific to qt's implementation? [12:29] eMyller: you talk about the link ? yes [12:30] eMyller: is your css3 available ? [12:31] fabo: will post a screenshot showing a -webkit-border-radius [12:32] JontheEchidna: bug 443210 did you tell mvo? [12:32] Launchpad bug 443210 in kdegames (Ubuntu) "bomber 48px PNG image is actually a Krita document" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443210 [12:33] eMyller: if you need guideline and advice, you're welcome on webkit-qt@lists.webkit.org [12:34] eMyller: the mailing list is active [12:39] apachelogger: forgot there was a downstream bug :D [12:52] apachelogger: wohoooo [12:52] grats [12:55] fabo: thank you :) here's my report: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42156 -- please check the screenshot [12:55] bugs.webkit.org bug 42156 in WebKit Qt "Qt WebKit doesn't play nice with some CSS3 rendering" [Major,Unconfirmed] [12:57] brb [12:59] * Riddell does the empty new queue dance [13:01] Riddell: nice work! [13:02] Riddell: wanna help ftp-masters ? ;) [13:04] * Riddell ponders this for a nanosecond [13:04] fabo: sorry, no :) [13:11] morning peeps [13:20] morning rgreening [13:21] hey fabo [13:23] Can anyone tell me what SixXS is? [13:23] * shadeslayer has no idea :S === James147_ is now known as James147 [13:59] Riddell: Hi, are syncs on your todo list today? [13:59] JontheEchidna: yes indeed, any requests? [13:59] Riddell: bug 602388 and bug 602383, please [13:59] Launchpad bug 602388 in kvirc (Ubuntu) "Sync kvirc 4:4.0.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602388 [13:59] Launchpad bug 602383 in komparator (Ubuntu) "Sync komparator 1:0.3-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602383 [14:00] one is a kde3 -> kde4 bump :) [14:00] apachelogger: if you are around need some assit with getting your ubuntuone client working... I cant seem to connect. [14:01] rgreening: logged out and back in again? [14:01] Riddell: oh, also kdenlive could use syncing. Should I file a bug for that? [14:01] I restarted the client, if thats what you mean [14:01] apachelogger: ^ [14:01] no, I mean logout and back in again :P [14:01] out of the ubuntuone service or the desktop [14:02] apachelogger: ^ [14:02] desktop [14:02] there is all sorts of junk running that will not be terminated when you restart the client ;) [14:02] ok. Illl try. why should that happen? [14:02] client == the software :) [14:03] rgreening: well, it is like kdelibs changed ;) [14:03] hehe [14:03] Nightrose: Archive.rb TarArchive.rb XZArchive.rb [14:04] apachelogger: whats the address for ktown> [14:04] Nightrose: any guesses as to what those 3 files could become? [14:04] for ssh access [14:04] kubotu: lookup ktown.kde.org [14:04] kubotu: nslookup ktown.kde.org [14:04] kubotu: didn you have a lookup at some point? [14:04] shadeslayer: ssh login is not permitted [14:04] IIC [14:04] IIRC [14:04] apachelogger: then? [14:04] only sftp [14:04] apachelogger: 0_o [14:05] apachelogger: Permission denied (publickey). [14:05] wrong user? [14:05] apachelogger: ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org [14:06] apachelogger: so, logout and login and still no go. Could be a firewall issue. What ports do I need open? [14:06] well.... ill just use kde ftp then [14:07] rgreening: I have no idea [14:07] rgreening: you can run ubuntuone-statusnotifier from a terminal to get more status output [14:07] wow, install-package never was able to let you cancel during download :s [14:07] it could very well be that something is wrong with authentication [14:08] qapt-batch will be a nice step up :) [14:08] JontheEchidna: it sure was at some point, it just was not instant [14:08] http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopqf1978-jpg.jpg [14:08] it stuffed the cancel in the eventqueue and since that was filled up with redrawing and text adding and whatnot... [14:09] JontheEchidna: ohm, therw as a button, wasnt there? [14:09] in either case you can close :P [14:09] * apachelogger hates cancel buttons anyway [14:09] I think that apt will still run in the background if you close... [14:09] in the case of install-package use they only make sense if a rollback gets executed! [14:09] apachelogger: what happened to all the pinkiness? [14:09] oh, maybe not, w/e [14:10] shadeslayer: whut? [14:10] oh [14:10] apachelogger: ping [14:10] thats JontheEchidna's desktop :D [14:10] jefferai: pong [14:10] do you build amarok from git? [14:10] or, can you? [14:10] I can [14:10] wel, in tehroy I can [14:10] jefferai: oh oh .. problem with /query in quassel fixed [14:10] shadeslayer: yeah? [14:10] s/tehroy/theory [14:11] jefferai: yeah i had a outdated client.. running latest git build now [14:11] outdated client shouldn't crash the core [14:11] I say shouldn't in the software engineering sense [14:11] apachelogger: I think we should use qapt-batch, at least for kubuntu-debug-installer. The kpackagekit dependency causes kdebase-runtime to effectively depend on it in most normal usecases [14:11] jefferai: seems it does [14:11] not in the specifically-this-sense [14:11] :-) [14:11] jefferai: http://imagebin.ca/view/7AxD6s9.html [14:11] JontheEchidna: that was my plan [14:11] see the 2nd last line [14:12] in fact I was wondering about just using libqapt directly :P [14:12] shadeslayer: I believe you [14:12] I'm just larting Sput is all [14:12] :P [14:12] * shadeslayer is done with ninja notes in 3 lines :S [14:12] knote [14:13] right :) [14:13] apachelogger: Well, using the backend class would mean using ~20 MB of heap for storing the internal package cache, so one would most likely want to use the dbus interface to the worker, straight to avoid that. [14:13] apachelogger: The name com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon was not provided by any .service [14:13] shadeslayer: sixxs is an ipv6 tunnel broker [14:13] JontheEchidna: silly backend :P [14:13] ohhhhh [14:13] rgreening: probably a fooey dep [14:13] sec [14:13] al: so i can use IPv6? [14:13] gets ipv6 connectivity to your ipv4 endpoint [14:14] yep [14:14] brb [14:14] al: kewl.. i have to make a new tunnel tho,right? [14:14] shadeslayer: yes [14:14] rgreening: install ubuntuone-client [14:14] al: well... it doesnt work :P [14:14] shadeslayer: what doesn't? [14:14] so i opened a ticket [14:14] al: making a new tunnel [14:15] OH [14:15] ohhhhhhh [14:15] shadeslayer: "No PoPs are available at the moment" that one? [14:15] ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [14:15] makes all sorts of sense [14:15] rgreening: install libubuntuone-qt-api0 [14:15] al: yes :S [14:15] apachelogger: I did decrease backend mem usage by 4.5 MiB by making QApt::Package not a QObject. (Heap cost for all the packages went down from 5 MiB to 0.5 MiB) [14:15] al: https://www.sixxs.net/tickets/?msg=tickets-2315985 [14:16] shadeslayer: "handle" means your login [14:16] ohhh [14:16] it seems that even an overhead of 120 KiB per QObject is a lot at 30,000 objects :P [14:16] apachelogger: anyways -- I made a change in Amarok's cmake files to use the output of mysql_config instead of randomly searching for libraries [14:16] which in theory is a much, much better thing to do [14:16] JontheEchidna: one would think so [14:16] in practice, however, it's causing build failures for *buntu folks [14:16] kubuntu does not ship mysql_config [14:17] jefferai: I would check if that beasty is around and if not try randomly searching [14:17] al: done :D [14:17] apachelogger: most of the RAM requirements comes from apt MMap'ing /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin, which is like 14 MiB itself [14:17] apachelogger: um [14:18] apachelogger: that's exactly what we do [14:18] Oo [14:18] Quintasan: neon poke [14:18] except for those users that *do* have mysql_config [14:18] oh [14:18] Oh? Oo [14:18] oh dear oh dear [14:18] say, because they're building things against it [14:18] then it has problems [14:19] http://pastebin.ca/1899780 [14:19] JontheEchidna: seems the stuff i pointed out about those error messages is in akonadi too :S [14:19] when imap gets disconnected i get .. 10 error dialogs :P [14:20] JontheEchidna: you should write an akonadi resource and store that stuff in akonadi :D [14:20] apachelogger: yeah, something is going wrong [14:20] which I believe may be due to the lack of -fPIC in --cflags [14:20] apachelogger: qaptworker logging to akonadi? :D [14:20] apachelogger: also seems that you cannot launch akonadi with krunner :P [14:20] uh [14:20] s/akonadi/kontact [14:20] only through desktop launcher [14:21] jefferai: I believe we have a seperate package for fpic enabled embedded server [14:21] !info libmysqld-pic [14:21] libmysqld-pic (source: mysql-dfsg-5.1): MySQL database development files. In component main, is optional. Version 5.1.41-3ubuntu12.3 (lucid), package size 4151 kB, installed size 12864 kB [14:22] apachelogger: ok, so here's what I think is going on [14:22] you guys have this separate fpic enabled server [14:22] but mysql_config doesn't have -fPIC in its CFLAGS [14:22] so there's a mismatch [14:24] JontheEchidna: I spcifically try to get muon to sort by name in a search [14:24] #ultimatefail [14:24] Mamarok: around? [14:25] debian appears to not have a separate fpic package [14:25] this appears to be a uniquely *buntu problem [14:25] JontheEchidna: and that threshold is also cracking me up [14:25] JontheEchidna: libc6-pic gets shown for a "pic" search but libmysqld-pic is not [14:26] shadeslayer: alternatively you could try a different tunnel broker (maybe http://ipv6.he.net) or check if your ISP supports 6to4 / teredo [14:26] if stuff tries to be smarter than me then it actually should be smarter 99% of the time [14:26] muon did not manage once! [14:26] al: im quite confident my ISP doesnt have ipv6 :D [14:26] shadeslayer: that's what a tunnel broker is for [14:26] jefferai: you should throw stones at people in #ubuntu-server [14:27] shadeslayer: can you ping 192.0.2.42? [14:27] libmysqld-pic is in debian.. [14:27] al: nope... [14:27] yofel: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libmysqld-pic&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all [14:27] that is stable! [14:27] al: 17 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 16035ms [14:27] stable is 15 years old :P [14:27] jefferai: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libmysqld-pic&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all [14:27] ah [14:28] hee I am [14:28] jefferai: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid&searchon=names&keywords=libmysqld-pic [14:28] yeah, got it [14:28] so [14:28] oh, debian [14:28] making things difficult yet again [14:28] shadeslayer: you're right then ;) [14:28] jefferai: told you, it was Debian and Kubuntu [14:28] al: :P [14:29] Is there a way I can control on which desktop apps that are started from commandline or a script are appearing? [14:29] Mamarok: their package search has bad defaults :-( [14:29] and their packages are demonstrably broken [14:29] jefferai: well, I would poke zul in #ubuntu-server for starters, he sure can get stuff resolved in debian and ubuntu [14:29] latter for sure [14:29] ok, I'll try [14:30] jefferai: do you need me there, too? [14:30] not for now [14:30] will let you know if I do [14:30] OK, just ping, I need to get my laundry out of the machine [14:30] back in a few [14:31] Mamarok: ok -- and, did turning off the embedded libs fix things for you? [14:31] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100713133146-td85hy34dqizytzj * debian/ (changelog control) Make ubuntuone-kde depend on libubuntuone-qt-api0 [14:33] * shadeslayer fights with lintian [14:34] E: kdepim source: weak-library-dev-dependency kdepim-dev on libeventviews4 (>= ${source:Version}) [14:34] E: kdepim source: weak-library-dev-dependency kdepim-dev on libkdepim4 (>= ${binary:Version}) [14:34] http://pastebin.com/1cNWfmQG [14:35] now.. what to do :P [14:39] nvm [14:39] apachelogger: so I seem to remember you having scripts to do extragear-ish release-type thingies. I'm thinking of doing a second alpha for libqapt/muon, would these tools be of use to me? [14:39] emit yawn(); [14:39] JontheEchidna: fortunately for you I am hacking on those very scripts right now ;) [14:39] :D [14:39] in fact I am rewriting using proper OOP ;) [14:40] JontheEchidna: need libqapt too? [14:40] I was planning on doing a prerelease of both, yeah [14:41] Also, what is a polite amount of time to give l10n dudes to translate before release? (e.g. length between string freeze and release) [14:41] one month [14:41] kk, that means I need to do it soon if I want to get something out for maverick, since FF is going to be more strict for 10.10 [14:42] and also feature freeze, for that matter [14:43] but I am fairly happy with the feature set of both muon and synaptic at the moment. It can do most everything synaptic does except version pinning [14:43]