[00:32] <Quintasan> apachelogger: argh
[00:32] <Quintasan> https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+build/1865815
[00:32] <Quintasan> how come debug libs are only 1,2 kbyte?
[00:35] <Quintasan> wut
[00:35] <Quintasan> Why did LP disable stripping on PPA Build?
[00:36] <yofel> only dbgsym creation is disabled, you can build a -dbg package with manual dh_strip ...
[00:36] <yofel> I mean auto-generation of debug symbols
[00:37] <Quintasan> dh_strip --dbg-package=project-neon-qt-dbg
[00:37] <yofel> *auto generation of debug symbol packages
[00:37] <Quintasan> I'm doing it like this
[00:37] <yofel> then it should work, at least it works for me
[00:37] <Quintasan> dh_strip debug symbol extraction: disabling for PPA build
[00:37] <Quintasan> dh_strip debug symbol extraction: not doing anything since NO_PKG_MANGLE is given
[00:37] <Quintasan> :/
[00:38] <yofel> I *think* that comes from the pkg-create-dbgsym package that usually takes care of building -dbgsym packages in the buildds but is disabled on PPA buildds
[00:38] <yofel> let me check one of my build logs
[00:40] <yofel> yep (I build filezilla svn snapshots here):
[00:40] <yofel> dh_strip --dbg-package=filezilla-dbg
[00:40] <yofel> dh_strip debug symbol extraction: disabling for PPA build
[00:40] <yofel> dh_strip debug symbol extraction: not doing anything since NO_PKG_MANGLE is given
[00:40] <yofel> the filezilla-dbg package is built fine
[00:40] <Quintasan> yeah, but it contains nothing
[00:41] <yofel> not here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/ppa/+build/1811325
[00:42] <Quintasan> haaa?!
[00:42] <Quintasan> it generates nothing here
[00:42] <Quintasan> https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+build/1865815
[00:47] <yofel> indeed, the .deb is empty...
[00:48] <ScottK> rbelem: I think lex79 packaged it.  I'd ask him when he's around.
[00:48] <Quintasan> grr
[00:49] <Quintasan> yofel: I'll try using dh_strip.pkg-create-dbgsym
[00:50] <rbelem> ScottK, ok, thanks :-)
[00:51] <rbelem> ScottK, i need that to build kdm outside kdebase-workspace
[00:51] <ScottK> And it's still in the source then?
[00:51] <ScottK> It may be inadvertent.
[00:51] <ScottK> I'd rather ask him to make sure.
[00:52] <rbelem> ScottK, yep! it still in the source
[01:07] <rbelem> ScottK, and i think that it would be nice to have kdebase-workspace-4.4.92/libs/ files being installed by kdebase-workspace-dev or by a new dev package
[01:14] <jjesse> everyone having fun today?
[01:17] <ScottK> jjesse: Did you see my answer to your blog post question?
[01:19] <jjesse> ScottK yes i did
[01:19] <jjesse> thanks
[01:19] <jjesse> just need to make the change :)
[01:19] <ScottK> jjesse: I had to figure out that same question last week ...
[01:19] <ScottK> jjesse: Want me to make it for you?
[01:19] <jjesse> i think jcastro told me once
[01:19] <jjesse> actually could you
[01:20] <ScottK> (it's easy enough)
[01:20] <ScottK> Sure.
[01:20] <jjesse> my ubuntu vm isn't running right now
[01:23] <ScottK> jjesse: Done.
[01:23] <jjesse> thank you ser
[01:24] <jjesse> sir
[01:24] <ScottK> AFAIK it's not retroactive though.
[01:25] <jjesse> i don't think it is
[01:25] <jjesse> no worries
[01:25] <jjesse> thanks for making the change
[01:26] <ScottK> No problem.  You're welcome.
[02:50] <MrDarkUser> Hi, is anybody working on project neon?
[03:03] <MrDarkUser> or have best practices for setting up a build enviornment?
[03:15] <ScottK> MrDarkUser: I think Quintasan is your man.
[03:16] <valorie> quoting from bash: [13:30] <Quintasan> [07:51:29] sheytan: well, I will need testers for Project Neon soon
[03:16] <valorie> :-)
[03:30] <MrDarkUser> Quintasan, I'm willing to be a fresh dumb new user of neon on 10.04 if I can help
[05:49] <MrDarkUser> hola
[08:13] <bilalakhtar> dholbach: I have a help request. Could you please examine why https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krename/4.0.4-2ubuntu1/+build/1864396 is repeatedly failing?
[08:13] <bilalakhtar> ^^ is for everyone
[08:23] <bilalakhtar> I have a help request. Could someone please examine why https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krename/4.0.4-2ubuntu1/+build/1864396 is repeatedly failing?
[08:25] <valorie> bilalakhtar: have you filed a bug?
[08:27] <bilalakhtar> valorie: where?
[08:27] <bilalakhtar> valorie: I was the one who got the package uploaded
[08:27] <valorie> ah
[08:27] <valorie> sorry
[08:46] <bilalakhtar> I have a help request. Could someone please examine why https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krename/4.0.4-2ubuntu1/+build/1864396 is repeatedly failing?
[08:48] <valorie> bilalakhtar: it will not help to repeat yourself
[08:48] <valorie> if they are asleep, they are asleep
[08:57] <jussi> bilalakhtar: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:57] <jussi>   kdelibs5-dev: Depends: kdoctools (= 4:4.4.90-0ubuntu3) but it is not going to be installed
[08:58] <jussi> sounds like somethings not built/something else has failed to build to me.
[10:33] <apachelogger> Quintasan: wrong override?
[10:43] <yofel> apachelogger: why is it wrong?
[10:46] <apachelogger> just a guess
[10:46]  * apachelogger is having a KDE day, so he will not look at the log :P
[10:47] <Riddell> yo, apachelogger 
[10:47] <Riddell> I think half term evaluations are this week
[10:47] <apachelogger> always these evaluations
[10:47] <Riddell> are you able to send me a summary of what you've done and what you're going to do and how I should test it and evaluate progress?
[10:48] <apachelogger> sure
[10:48] <Riddell> preferably today :)
[10:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: should be in by 14 UTC
[10:51]  * apachelogger is sort of tied up in his own ruby madness right now :S
[11:33] <Riddell> hi muesli 
[11:33] <muesli> hey :)
[11:34] <apachelogger> muesli \o/
[11:35]  * apachelogger hugs muesli and while he is at it the whole channel
[11:35] <Riddell> that's a big hug!
[11:36] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:36] <muesli> apachelogger: that's a warm fuzzy welcome :-)
[11:38]  * davmor2 feels sorry for the ones in the middle getting squished
[11:39] <apachelogger> muesli: then I did something wrong, it was meant to be fluffy ;)
[11:39] <apachelogger> http://fluffy.jussi01.com/ 
[11:40] <muesli> apachelogger: jeez, i tried to find an iso latel
[11:40] <muesli> but i've been told there isn't really one yet
[11:40] <apachelogger> well there is
[11:40] <apachelogger> alpha1
[11:40] <muesli> poor konqui looks like on lsd on that page ;)
[11:40] <apachelogger> http://tiny.cc/fa1
[11:40] <muesli> apachelogger: got a link? :)
[11:40] <muesli> thanks
[11:42] <muesli> nice, 4mb/s
[11:44] <apachelogger> sandsmark is running a nice swarm ;)
[11:45] <apachelogger> OH MY GOD!!!
[11:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I got an A on the knowledge management course
[11:45] <apachelogger> \o/
[11:45] <Riddell> congratulations
[11:45] <Riddell> where did you put all you knowledge to keep it managed?
[11:46] <apachelogger> a semantic wiki ^^
[11:46] <Riddell> qt-assistant-compat passed new, someone needs to get the rdepends built against it
[11:53] <Riddell> fabo: why do you say "Qt Multimedia is now shipped from Qt Mobility API instead of Qt." when the multimedia bits are all commented out in your qtmobility packaging?
[11:55] <Mamarok> Riddell: because it's not ready?
[11:57] <Riddell> Mamarok: well that didn't stop them shipping it with qt 4.6 :)
[11:57] <Mamarok> Riddell: there still is not much more available in 4.7 AFAICS
[11:57] <Riddell> fabo: why the change of binary name?  libqt4-webkit -> libqtwebkit4 ?
[12:01] <Riddell> fabo: hmm, you just made qtmobility build-dep on qtwebkit?  what's that for?   qtwebkit will need to build-dep on qtmobility for multimedia in HTML5 support
[12:07] <fabo> Riddell: it is commented because I don't have Qt 4.7 without multimedia at that time
[12:08] <fabo> Riddell: next upload, multimediakit is shipped
[12:08] <Riddell> yeah, just saw that commit you did
[12:08] <fabo> if you build Qt + multimedia -> Qt Mobility don't want to build mmkit
[12:09] <fabo> Qt - multimedia -> Qt Mobility builds with mmkit
[12:09] <fabo> Riddell: for the binary name, Qt doesn't follow library package name
[12:10] <fabo> it's a long standing issue
[12:10] <fabo> with qtwebkit, I could smoothly split that way
[12:11] <fabo>  libqt4-webkit is now a dummy package
[12:12] <fabo> Riddell: now, we should resolve the latest issue
[12:12] <Riddell> fabo: what's the latest issue?
[12:14] <fabo> misread then -> qtwebkit will need to build-dep on qtmobility 
[12:14] <Riddell> fabo: looking at current qtwebkit it has gone back to using phonon
[12:15] <Riddell> "# We require phonon. QtMultimedia support is disabled currently."  says WebCore/WebCore.pro
[12:15] <Riddell> but that might change at some point
[12:15] <fabo> yes, simon tells me some weeks ago they aren't ready to use Qt multimedia
[12:15] <Riddell> fabo: why does qtmobility need qtwebkit?
[12:16] <fabo> Riddell: only for fetchgooglemaps example ;)
[12:16] <Riddell>   * Fix FTBFS with Ubuntu's Qt 4.7 packages:
[12:16] <Riddell>     - Drop usr/bin/fetchgooglemaps from debian/qtmobility-examples.install
[12:17] <Riddell> that's in our qtmobility ^^
[12:17] <Riddell> probably that's because our qtwebkit is already separated
[12:17] <fabo> because of the missing b-d on qtwebkit dev
[12:17] <fabo> that's a choice
[12:18] <Riddell> silly upstream and their circular dependencies
[12:18] <fabo> I guess dropping the example + b-d is the preferred way
[12:20] <Riddell> so main problem for ubuntu is how to sync qtwebkit when we already have a larger version number.  don't fancy raising your epoch to 5 do you fabo? :)
[12:20] <fabo> haha
[12:21] <fabo> let me take a look at current Ubuntu packages and try to find a smooth way to resync
[12:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: mail sent
[12:22] <eMyller> heys guys
[12:22] <Riddell> we're on 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1, I don't think there's any very elegant way to resync
[12:22] <Riddell> hi eMyller 
[12:22] <eMyller> speaking of qtwebkit, does anyone know why it's doesn't support quite well some css3 stuff?
[12:23] <eMyller> like border-radius, etc. i wanted to know if it's up to webkit itself or the qt version only
[12:23] <fabo> eMyller: report bug 
[12:23] <Riddell> not I, you'd need to ask upstream
[12:24] <fabo> eMyller: try to use another webkit implementation to check if it is qtwebkit specific
[12:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, since our binary name differs from a deb POV we should be able to sync current debian package ;)
[12:24] <fabo> ie chrome
[12:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: but the source is the same
[12:24] <apachelogger> aight
[12:24] <eMyller> fabo: chrome's and qt's webkit version are the same
[12:24] <apachelogger> rename the source ;)
[12:24] <eMyller> but chrome shows everything smoothly
[12:25] <fabo> eMyller: no ;)
[12:25] <fabo> so it could be a Qt WebKit bug
[12:25] <eMyller> fabo: no @ implementation?
[12:26] <fabo> eMyller: yeah, they differ
[12:26] <eMyller> i see; but well, qtwebkit always had problems *here*. will report a bug. thanks :)
[12:28] <fabo> eMyller: http://webkit.org/new-qtwebkit-bug
[12:28] <eMyller> fabo: isn't it specific to qt's implementation?
[12:29] <fabo> eMyller: you talk about the link ? yes
[12:30] <fabo> eMyller: is your css3 available ?
[12:31] <eMyller> fabo: will post a screenshot showing a -webkit-border-radius
[12:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 443210 did you tell mvo?
[12:33] <fabo> eMyller: if you need guideline and advice, you're welcome on webkit-qt@lists.webkit.org
[12:34] <fabo> eMyller: the mailing list is active
[12:39] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: forgot there was a downstream bug :D
[12:52] <Nightrose> apachelogger: wohoooo
[12:52] <Nightrose> grats
[12:55] <eMyller> fabo: thank you :) here's my report: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42156 -- please check the screenshot
[12:57] <eMyller> brb
[12:59]  * Riddell does the empty new queue dance
[13:01] <jussi> Riddell: nice work!
[13:02] <fabo> Riddell: wanna help ftp-masters ? ;)
[13:04]  * Riddell ponders this for a nanosecond
[13:04] <Riddell> fabo: sorry, no :)
[13:11] <rgreening> morning peeps
[13:20] <fabo> morning rgreening
[13:21] <rgreening> hey fabo
[13:23] <shadeslayer> Can anyone tell me what SixXS is?
[13:23]  * shadeslayer has no idea :S
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Hi, are syncs on your todo list today?
[13:59] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes indeed, any requests?
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 602388 and bug 602383, please
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> one is a kde3 -> kde4 bump :)
[14:00] <rgreening> apachelogger: if you are around need some assit with getting your ubuntuone client working... I cant seem to connect.
[14:01] <apachelogger> rgreening: logged out and back in again?
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oh, also kdenlive could use syncing. Should I file a bug for that?
[14:01] <rgreening> I restarted the client, if thats what you mean
[14:01] <rgreening> apachelogger: ^
[14:01] <apachelogger> no, I mean logout and back in again :P
[14:01] <rgreening> out of the ubuntuone service or the desktop
[14:02] <rgreening> apachelogger: ^
[14:02] <apachelogger> desktop
[14:02] <apachelogger> there is all sorts of junk running that will not be terminated when you restart the client ;)
[14:02] <rgreening> ok. Illl try. why should that happen?
[14:02] <apachelogger> client == the software :)
[14:03] <apachelogger> rgreening: well, it is like kdelibs changed ;)
[14:03] <rgreening> hehe
[14:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: Archive.rb  TarArchive.rb  XZArchive.rb
[14:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats the address for ktown>
[14:04] <apachelogger> Nightrose: any guesses as to what those 3 files could become? 
[14:04] <shadeslayer> for ssh access
[14:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: lookup ktown.kde.org
[14:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: nslookup ktown.kde.org
[14:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: didn you have a lookup at some point?
[14:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ssh login is not permitted
[14:04] <apachelogger> IIC
[14:04] <apachelogger> IIRC
[14:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: then? 
[14:04] <apachelogger> only sftp
[14:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 0_o
[14:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Permission denied (publickey).
[14:05] <apachelogger> wrong user?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org
[14:06] <rgreening> apachelogger: so, logout and login and still no go. Could be a firewall issue. What ports do I need open?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> well.... ill just use kde ftp then
[14:07] <apachelogger> rgreening: I have no idea
[14:07] <apachelogger> rgreening: you can run ubuntuone-statusnotifier from a terminal to get more status output
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> wow, install-package never was able to let you cancel during download :s
[14:07] <apachelogger> it could very well be that something is wrong with authentication
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> qapt-batch will be a nice step up :)
[14:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it sure was at some point, it just was not instant
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopqf1978-jpg.jpg
[14:08] <apachelogger> it stuffed the cancel in the eventqueue and since that was filled up with redrawing and text adding and whatnot...
[14:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ohm, therw as a button, wasnt there?
[14:09] <apachelogger> in either case you can close :P
[14:09]  * apachelogger hates cancel buttons anyway
[14:09] <JontheEchidna> I think that apt will still run in the background if you close...
[14:09] <apachelogger> in the case of install-package use they only make sense if a rollback gets executed!
[14:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what happened to all the pinkiness?
[14:09] <JontheEchidna> oh, maybe not, w/e
[14:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whut?
[14:10] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:10] <jefferai> apachelogger: ping
[14:10] <shadeslayer> thats JontheEchidna's desktop :D
[14:10] <apachelogger> jefferai: pong
[14:10] <jefferai> do you build amarok from git?
[14:10] <jefferai> or, can you?
[14:10] <apachelogger> I can
[14:10] <apachelogger> wel, in tehroy I can
[14:10] <shadeslayer> jefferai: oh oh .. problem with /query in quassel fixed
[14:10] <jefferai> shadeslayer: yeah?
[14:10] <apachelogger> s/tehroy/theory
[14:11] <shadeslayer> jefferai: yeah i had a outdated client.. running latest git build now
[14:11] <jefferai> outdated client shouldn't crash the core
[14:11] <jefferai> I say shouldn't in the software engineering sense
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I think we should use qapt-batch, at least for kubuntu-debug-installer. The kpackagekit dependency causes kdebase-runtime to effectively depend on it in most normal usecases
[14:11] <shadeslayer> jefferai: seems it does
[14:11] <jefferai> not in the specifically-this-sense
[14:11] <jefferai> :-)
[14:11] <shadeslayer> jefferai: http://imagebin.ca/view/7AxD6s9.html
[14:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that was my plan
[14:11] <shadeslayer> see the 2nd last line
[14:12] <apachelogger> in fact I was wondering about just using libqapt directly :P
[14:12] <jefferai> shadeslayer: I believe you
[14:12] <jefferai> I'm just larting Sput is all
[14:12] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:12]  * shadeslayer is done with ninja notes in 3 lines :S
[14:12] <apachelogger> knote
[14:13] <shadeslayer> right :)
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Well, using the backend class would mean using ~20 MB of heap for storing the internal package cache, so one would most likely want to use the dbus interface to the worker, straight to avoid that.
[14:13] <rgreening> apachelogger: The name com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon was not provided by any .service
[14:13] <al> shadeslayer: sixxs is an ipv6 tunnel broker
[14:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: silly backend :P
[14:13] <apachelogger> ohhhhh
[14:13] <apachelogger> rgreening: probably a fooey dep 
[14:13] <apachelogger> sec
[14:13] <shadeslayer> al: so i can use IPv6?
[14:13] <al> gets ipv6 connectivity to your ipv4 endpoint
[14:14] <al> yep
[14:14] <rgreening> brb
[14:14] <shadeslayer> al: kewl.. i have to make a new tunnel tho,right?
[14:14] <al> shadeslayer: yes
[14:14] <apachelogger> rgreening: install ubuntuone-client
[14:14] <shadeslayer> al: well... it doesnt work :P
[14:14] <al> shadeslayer: what doesn't?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> so i opened a ticket
[14:14] <shadeslayer> al: making a new tunnel
[14:15] <apachelogger> OH
[14:15] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhh
[14:15] <al> shadeslayer: "No PoPs are available at the moment" that one?
[14:15] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[14:15] <apachelogger> makes all sorts of sense
[14:15] <apachelogger> rgreening: install libubuntuone-qt-api0
[14:15] <shadeslayer> al: yes :S
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I did decrease backend mem usage by 4.5 MiB by making QApt::Package not a QObject. (Heap cost for all the packages went down from 5 MiB to 0.5 MiB)
[14:15] <shadeslayer> al: https://www.sixxs.net/tickets/?msg=tickets-2315985
[14:16] <al> shadeslayer: "handle" means your login
[14:16] <shadeslayer> ohhh
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> it seems that even an overhead of 120 KiB per QObject is a lot at 30,000 objects :P
[14:16] <jefferai> apachelogger: anyways -- I made a change in Amarok's cmake files to use the output of mysql_config instead of randomly searching for libraries
[14:16] <jefferai> which in theory is a much, much better thing to do
[14:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: one would think so
[14:16] <jefferai> in practice, however, it's causing build failures for *buntu folks
[14:16] <apachelogger> kubuntu does not ship mysql_config
[14:17] <apachelogger> jefferai: I would check if that beasty is around and if not try randomly searching
[14:17] <shadeslayer> al: done :D
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: most of the RAM requirements comes from apt MMap'ing /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin, which is like 14 MiB itself
[14:17] <jefferai> apachelogger: um
[14:18] <jefferai> apachelogger: that's exactly what we do
[14:18] <apachelogger> Oo
[14:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: neon poke
[14:18] <jefferai> except for those users that *do* have mysql_config
[14:18] <apachelogger> oh
[14:18] <apachelogger> Oh? Oo
[14:18] <apachelogger> oh dear oh dear
[14:18] <jefferai> say, because they're building things against it
[14:18] <jefferai> then it has problems
[14:19] <apachelogger> http://pastebin.ca/1899780
[14:19] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: seems the stuff i pointed out about those error messages is in akonadi too :S
[14:19] <shadeslayer> when imap gets disconnected i get .. 10 error dialogs :P
[14:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should write an akonadi resource and store that stuff in akonadi :D
[14:20] <jefferai> apachelogger: yeah, something is going wrong
[14:20] <jefferai> which I believe may be due to the lack of -fPIC in --cflags
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: qaptworker logging to akonadi? :D
[14:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also seems that you cannot launch akonadi with krunner :P
[14:20] <shadeslayer> uh
[14:20] <shadeslayer> s/akonadi/kontact
[14:20] <shadeslayer> only through desktop launcher
[14:21] <apachelogger> jefferai: I believe we have a seperate package for fpic enabled embedded server
[14:21] <apachelogger> !info libmysqld-pic
[14:22] <jefferai> apachelogger: ok, so here's what I think is going on
[14:22] <jefferai> you guys have this separate fpic enabled server
[14:22] <jefferai> but mysql_config doesn't have -fPIC in its CFLAGS
[14:22] <jefferai> so there's a mismatch
[14:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I spcifically try to get muon to sort by name in a search
[14:24] <apachelogger> #ultimatefail
[14:24] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: around?
[14:25] <jefferai> debian appears to not have a separate fpic package
[14:25] <jefferai> this appears to be a uniquely *buntu problem
[14:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and that threshold is also cracking me up
[14:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: libc6-pic gets shown for a "pic" search but libmysqld-pic is not
[14:26] <al> shadeslayer: alternatively you could try a different tunnel broker (maybe http://ipv6.he.net) or check if your ISP supports 6to4 / teredo
[14:26] <apachelogger> if stuff tries to be smarter than me then it actually should be smarter 99% of the time
[14:26] <apachelogger> muon did not manage once!
[14:26] <shadeslayer> al: im quite confident my ISP doesnt have ipv6 :D
[14:26] <jefferai> shadeslayer: that's what a tunnel broker is for
[14:26] <apachelogger> jefferai: you should throw stones at people in #ubuntu-server
[14:27] <al> shadeslayer: can you ping 192.0.2.42?
[14:27] <yofel> libmysqld-pic is in debian..
[14:27] <shadeslayer> al: nope...
[14:27] <jefferai> yofel: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libmysqld-pic&searchon=names&suite=stable&section=all
[14:27] <apachelogger> that is stable!
[14:27] <shadeslayer> al: 17 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 16035ms
[14:27] <apachelogger> stable is 15 years old :P
[14:27] <yofel> jefferai: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libmysqld-pic&searchon=names&suite=testing&section=all
[14:27] <jefferai> ah
[14:28] <Mamarok> hee I am
[14:28] <apachelogger> jefferai: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid&searchon=names&keywords=libmysqld-pic
[14:28] <jefferai> yeah, got it
[14:28] <jefferai> so
[14:28] <jefferai> oh, debian
[14:28] <jefferai> making things difficult yet again
[14:28] <al> shadeslayer: you're right then ;)
[14:28] <Mamarok> jefferai: told you, it was Debian and Kubuntu
[14:28] <shadeslayer> al: :P
[14:29] <txwikinger> Is there a way I can control on which desktop apps that are started from commandline or a script are appearing? 
[14:29] <jefferai> Mamarok: their package search has bad defaults  :-(
[14:29] <jefferai> and their packages are demonstrably broken
[14:29] <apachelogger> jefferai: well, I would poke zul in #ubuntu-server for starters, he sure can get stuff resolved in debian and ubuntu
[14:29] <apachelogger> latter for sure
[14:29] <jefferai> ok, I'll try
[14:30] <Mamarok> jefferai: do you need me there, too?
[14:30] <jefferai> not for now
[14:30] <jefferai> will let you know if I do
[14:30] <Mamarok> OK, just ping, I need to get my laundry out of the machine
[14:30] <Mamarok> back in a few
[14:31] <jefferai> Mamarok: ok -- and, did turning off the embedded libs fix things for you?
[14:31] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100713133146-td85hy34dqizytzj * debian/ (changelog control) Make ubuntuone-kde depend on libubuntuone-qt-api0
[14:33]  * shadeslayer fights with lintian
[14:34] <shadeslayer> E: kdepim source: weak-library-dev-dependency kdepim-dev on libeventviews4 (>= ${source:Version})
[14:34] <shadeslayer> E: kdepim source: weak-library-dev-dependency kdepim-dev on libkdepim4 (>= ${binary:Version})
[14:34] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/1cNWfmQG
[14:35] <shadeslayer> now.. what to do :P
[14:39] <shadeslayer> nvm
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: so I seem to remember you having scripts to do extragear-ish release-type thingies. I'm thinking of doing a second alpha for libqapt/muon, would these tools be of use to me?
[14:39] <apachelogger> emit yawn();
[14:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: fortunately for you I am hacking on those very scripts right now ;)
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> :D
[14:39] <apachelogger> in fact I am rewriting using proper OOP ;)
[14:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: need libqapt too?
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> I was planning on doing a prerelease of both, yeah
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> Also, what is a polite amount of time to give l10n dudes to translate before release? (e.g. length between string freeze and release)
[14:41] <apachelogger> one month
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> kk, that means I need to do it soon if I want to get something out for maverick, since FF is going to be more strict for 10.10
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> and also feature freeze, for that matter
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> but I am fairly happy with the feature set of both muon and synaptic at the moment. It can do most everything synaptic does except version pinning
[14:43] <rgreening> apachelogger: it's using the ubuntuone-client 1.2.2 from archive. which may be different from the PPA one. is that a problem?
[14:45] <apachelogger> yes, will not work
[14:45] <apachelogger> since when do they have 1.2.2 in the archive?
[14:46] <apachelogger> rgreening: are you on maverick?
[14:46] <jussi> muon?
[14:46] <rgreening> no. lucid
[14:46] <apachelogger> where is that 1.2.2 coming from?
[14:46] <apachelogger> I only see      1.2.1-0ubuntu3
[14:47] <rgreening> apachelogger: login to your PPA and it says.. newer available
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: so the 15th is one month away from ubuntu feature freeze. I'll do a release today, with uber-quick string review and will announce feature/string freeze on the 15th. I'll do beta on the 29th, RC on the 5th, final release on the 12th
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sound sane?
[14:47] <apachelogger> think so
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> oh, crap. I forgot about my dentist's appointment this morning :s
[14:48] <apachelogger> rgreening: oh, proposed!
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> gotta go, my ride is waiting
[14:48] <apachelogger> o/ JontheEchidna
[14:48] <rgreening> apachelogger: also.. Unpacking libubuntuone-qt-api0 (from .../libubuntuone-qt-api0_0.0.0~alpha1+1-0ubuntu0~lucid0~ppa1_amd64.deb) ...
[14:48] <rgreening> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libubuntuone-qt-api0_0.0.0~alpha1+1-0ubuntu0~lucid0~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[14:48] <rgreening>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libubuntuone-qt-api.so.0.0.0', which is also in package ubuntuone-kde 0:0.0.0~alpha1+1-0ubuntu0~lucid0~ppa1
[14:48] <rgreening> Errors were encountered while processing:
[14:48] <rgreening>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libubuntuone-qt-api0_0.0.0~alpha1+1-0ubuntu0~lucid0~ppa1_amd64.deb
[14:48] <rgreening> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[14:49] <apachelogger> oh
[14:50] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100713135017-ayfh68hiqy9wznby * debian/ (changelog ubuntuone-kde.install) Only install lib*kde*.so.*.* into ubuntuone-kde
[14:50] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: can you help me out a bit?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/zMARwfx8 << does that control file look ok? ( specifically kdepim-dev )
[14:53] <apachelogger> libeventviews4 (= ${binary:Version} not good
[14:53] <apachelogger> neither is libkdepim4 (= ${binary:Version})
[14:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but lintian compaints
[14:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the error is weak-library-dev-dependency
[14:53] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:54] <shadeslayer> on either of those two files
[14:54] <apachelogger> and now it would complain about strong-library-dev-dependency
[14:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: leave it then?
[14:54] <apachelogger> of course lintian is not sane enough to do that
[14:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it doesnt :S
[14:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, use appropriate dependency
[14:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok..
[14:54] <apachelogger> what differs the other dependencies listed for kdepim-dev from those two?
[14:54] <apachelogger> if you can answer that you will know what it should look like
[14:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok.. im looking :)
[14:56] <rgreening> apachelogger: you building these updates in your PPA so I can test? Also the newer ubuntuone-client? Seems the old 1.2.1 will not work as I have pythin 2.6 and it balks at "as" reserved keyword.
[14:56] <apachelogger> rgreening: uninstall python2.5
[14:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^
[14:56] <apachelogger> rgreening: yeah, building the updates
[14:57] <ScottK> apachelogger: Your package shouldn't do anything with 2.5 even if it's installed.
[14:58]  * apachelogger also wants to note that ruby can map exceptions to variables since like forever and not just some recent version :P
[14:58] <rgreening> Its a ubuntuone-client issue in 1.2.1
[14:58] <apachelogger> ScottK: tell that to ubuntuone-client :P
[14:58] <rgreening> (so it seems ot me)
[14:58] <apachelogger> rgreening: from my patch
[14:58] <rgreening> ah
[14:58] <rgreening> oh well then.. fix it :)
[14:59] <rgreening> haha
[14:59] <apachelogger> I am catching an exception using "catch Exception as e"
[14:59] <apachelogger> rgreening: it is valid for 2.6 :P
[14:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: Someone who cares about ubuntuone should fix it.
[14:59] <apachelogger> not my fault that python is python--
[14:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: all other libs dont have (>= ${binary:Version}) ?
[14:59] <rgreening> apachelogger: no, I remove python 2.5 and it complains
[14:59] <rgreening> still
[14:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you do not have (>= ${binary:Version})?!
[14:59] <apachelogger> you have (= ${binary:Version})
[14:59] <rgreening> hmm.. let me purge
[14:59] <apachelogger> which is by no means the same thing
[15:00] <apachelogger> rgreening: when I removed python it installed fine
[15:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no,i changed it to (>= ${binary:Version}) and it complains aboutweak-library-dev-dependency
[15:00]  * apachelogger probably should make his u1-client branch replace&conflict python2.5
[15:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whut?
[15:01] <apachelogger> is this thing mad or something :O
[15:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you have permission to ignore those 
[15:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/5yBf631f << new control file
[15:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lintian complains : http://pastebin.com/cfxxvf0b
[15:01] <apachelogger> although
[15:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: altho.. ?
[15:03] <apachelogger> well
[15:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: use =
[15:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :S
[15:03] <rgreening> apachelogger: are you uploading a newer ubuntuone-client for the kwallet3 stuff? or is that necessary?
[15:03] <shadeslayer> ok.. then
[15:04] <apachelogger> rgreening: not planning on doing that now ... did you purge python 2.5?
[15:04] <apachelogger> also libpython2.5 or what it is called
[15:04] <rgreening> so, does it require the 1.2.1 or will 1.2.2 from archive break it?
[15:05] <apachelogger> it requires 1.2.1
[15:05] <apachelogger> 1.2.2 does not support kwallet
[15:06] <shadeslayer> omgwtf
[15:07] <rgreening> apachelogger: ok. will test... 1 sec
[15:07] <shadeslayer> lp moves login stuff to  left? http://imagebin.ca/view/2XZNK0.html
[15:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: muon is currently translated in 10 languages
[15:07] <apachelogger> average completion 46%
[15:07] <apachelogger> only uk and pt are 100%
[15:07] <apachelogger> :)
[15:08]  * apachelogger loves his release script
[15:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+junk/release-script-refactor/revision/84
[15:12] <shadeslayer> sheytan: hey :)
[15:12] <sheytan> shadeslayer hi there ;)
[15:14] <Quintasan> \o
[15:14] <Quintasan> ';
[15:14] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: watch for ut internetz
[15:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hey 
[15:14] <Quintasan> :D
[15:14] <Quintasan> ur*
[15:14] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its good .. wont get flooded .. no rains :P
[15:14] <shadeslayer> kubotu: weather Gurgaon,India
[15:14] <kubotu> Weather info for New Delhi, India (updated on 7:00 PM IST on July 13, 2010); Temperature: 90 F / 32 C; Humidity: 62%; Dew Point: 75 F / 24 C; Wind: North at 0 mph / 0 km/h; Pressure: 29.56 in / 1001 hPa (Steady); Conditions: Haze; Visibility: 1.4 miles / 2.2 kilometers; UV: 0 out of 16; Clouds: (FEW) : 4000 ft / 1219 m  Scattered Clouds (SCT) : 10000 ft / 3048 m; Yesterday's Cooling Degree Days: 21 approx.; Sunrise:
[15:14] <kubotu> 5:33 AM IST; Sunset: 7:21 PM IST; Moon Rise: 7:02 AM IST; Moon Set: 8:36 PM IST; Moon Phase: Waxing Crescent
[15:16] <jefferai> apachelogger: Riddell: any idea how to work around this PIC problem in the meantime?
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hows neon going?
[15:18] <shadeslayer> need help?
[15:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: -dbg package is empty
[15:19] <Riddell> jefferai: I haven't been following the issue and I'm probably too busy to do so immediately
[15:19] <yofel> Quintasan: or did you get that fixed?
[15:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: in?
[15:19] <shadeslayer> neon?
[15:20] <jefferai> Riddell: how dare you not follow it
[15:20] <shadeslayer> ohh
[15:21] <apachelogger> jefferai: no idea really
[15:21] <jefferai> apachelogger: only thing I can think of is to check for 64-bit environment, and if so, force -fPIC in MYSQL_CFLAGS
[15:21] <jefferai> um, but only for the embedded side of things
[15:22] <jefferai> of course, this would be easier if cmake had a way to tell this
[15:31] <shadeslayer> kdepim for lucid away
[15:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: away where?
[15:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: in ninja ppa
[15:32] <shadeslayer> dont worry i remember :D
[15:34] <shadeslayer> kdepim runtime uploaded as well 
[15:34] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ^^
[15:35] <shadeslayer> itll build and will copy into experimental
[15:37] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: hm, I guess it should go to beta ultimately, right? since it is a beta version...
[15:39] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: nope,experimental
[15:39] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: they are highly unstable atm
[15:39] <Mamarok> why?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: kdepim dev say so themselves :P
[15:39] <Mamarok> well, beta belongs into beta, why in experimental? Then it should be labeled alpha, no?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> maybe the next release will be good to go
[15:39] <rgreening> apachelogger: works if I uninstall python2.5 and python2.5-minimal and then log out and relogin.
[15:39] <Mamarok> well, then I will not test, I need kdepim
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: :p
[15:40]  * shadeslayer is testing.. doesnt need kdepim
[15:40] <Riddell> Mamarok: kde pim guys say it's more unstable than they expected
[15:40] <Riddell> so yes it should be called alpha
[15:40] <Mamarok> well, then labelling it beta is a bit bold...
[15:41] <ScottK> apachelogger and rgreening: If it's packaged properly, it shouldn't care about 2.5 being installed since it's not a supported version.
[15:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: poke
[15:41] <Mamarok> beta is for testing and is more or less stable, or at least doesn't break your workfolw too badly
[15:42] <Mamarok> but they already managed to break it anyway with what they did to kdepim in general and knotes and the addressbook in particular
[15:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: do you realise we need a bigger ppa? :D
[15:43] <shadeslayer> just the qt packages take up 60 pc :P
[15:47] <yofel> be glad they raised the default value, or you would already be over the limit :P
[15:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: :D
[15:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: where does all the qt stuff get imported?
[15:53] <shadeslayer> like the url...
[15:55] <yofel> shadeslayer: I'm not sure what you mean...
[15:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: got a reliable internet connection for your talk this time?
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: neat :D
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> (no cavities for me, either!)
[16:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes :D
[16:09] <shadeslayer> hmm.. i was thinking about something for the talk 2 mins ago and now ive forgotten :S
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: is the release script readme still accurate?
[16:18] <rbelem> hey Riddell 
[16:18] <shadeslayer> oho
[16:18] <shadeslayer> digikam is FTBFS
[16:18]  * shadeslayer goes to fix
[16:19] <rbelem> Riddell, do you know about some changes to kdebase-workspace-dev, that removes some .h files
[16:19] <shadeslayer> seems to be already fixed :S
[16:21] <Riddell> rbelem: which one are you missing?
[16:21] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Where?
[16:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi
[16:21] <ScottK> (Note: It's not fixed in the archive)
[16:21] <rbelem> Riddell, screens.h and others
[16:21] <shadeslayer> yes.. seems so
[16:21] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Try to rebuild it yourself.
[16:21] <rbelem> Riddell, and some .so too
[16:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: but why does it show up there?
[16:22] <ScottK> Because it doesn't build.
[16:22] <rbelem> Riddell, so i do not manage to link to libs such as plasmagenericshell 
[16:22] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/2:1.3.0-0ubuntu1/+build/1806969/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-ia64.digikam_2:1.3.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:23] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:23] <shadeslayer> ScottK: its a rebuild error? and is not yet fixed?
[16:24] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Something changed after the last upload and ia64 hadn't built yet.  So all archs will get that error now.
[16:24] <shadeslayer> aah
[16:25] <rbelem> Riddell, and i would like to add some more .h to kdebase-workspace-dev :-D
[16:27] <Riddell> rbelem: it's an upstream change, screens.h isn't installed by upstream any more
[16:28] <rbelem> Riddell, :-(
[16:29] <rbelem> Riddell, and how about the missing libplasmagenericshell.so?
[16:29] <Riddell> rbelem: you can include a copy of screens.h yourself though
[16:29] <Riddell> ScottK removed plasmagenericshell.so from kdebase-workspace-dev
[16:30] <rbelem> Riddell, i think that's the solution, copy all missing files :-(
[16:31] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i think its due to Export .pot name and copy to plugins in debian/rules <<
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: at the least, I assume that for at least the moment the svn external thing won't be correct, since your refactor is in bzr
[16:32] <shadeslayer> which was introduced by lex
[16:32] <rbelem> Riddell, i think that's a bug. What do you think about report a bug for that?
[16:35] <Riddell> rbelem: I think we need to wait until ScottK shows up to say why he did it
[16:36] <rbelem> Riddell, ok :-)
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: also, libqapt has qapt-batch in its utils dir, which has translations. Will the release scripts fall over that?
[16:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: readme should be accurate, didnt look at it for ages though
[16:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: basically just muon.rb --help
[16:45] <apachelogger> then you can create an rc file with common settings you want always
[16:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: libqapt is not yet done, but no, it will not fall over that ;)
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> kewl
[16:46] <apachelogger> indeed I only today noticed that apparently I made it super dynamic some time in the past by walking through the whole source tree and building a list of pot files from the Messages.sh scripts ;)
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> probably in a drunken stupor after lying awake at the keyboard for 3 hours mumbling about bannakaffalatta :D
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> That was my favorite of the Christmas specials
[16:49] <apachelogger> :D
[16:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: supposedly dantti needs a script for the debconf stuff?
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[16:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im all set up.. even if theres a power outage ill be able to respond :D
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> the lib needs a bit of work, too
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> It doesn't install soversioned libs
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> so dh_shlibdeps can't get a depencency on the lib, and it has to be added manually
[16:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you discovered the secret to running computers without electricity?
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> to the dependencies of muon
[16:51] <apachelogger> scary
[16:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: lol
[16:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no.. i just plugged it to my backup power supply :D
[16:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, in def custom you can do custom haxx0ry to for example set the version
[16:52] <apachelogger> or if you tell me where it is declared I can haxx0r that up for you
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: src/main.cpp
[16:52] <apachelogger> OTOH it seems common practise to set it via CMake these days
[16:52] <apachelogger> see what digikam does
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> that's for muon, nvm
[16:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you're on in 10 minutes?
[16:52] <shadeslayer> on now :D
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: libqapt gets its version set in cmakelists.txt, toplevel
[16:52] <apachelogger> k
[16:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: aren't you 10 minutes early?
[16:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah :P
[16:53] <Riddell> ** packaging with the ninjas on shortly in #ubuntu-classroom with elite kubuntu ninja shadeslayer 
[16:53] <ScottK> rbelem and Riddell: I removed it because Debian did.  If we need it for mobile, I think putting it back is fine.
[16:54] <rbelem> ScottK, cool!
[16:54] <apachelogger> ["l10n/qaptbatch.po"]
[16:54] <apachelogger> Copying pt_BR's .po(s) over ...
[16:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: l10n seems to be working alright
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> neato
[16:56] <apachelogger> oh ninja work in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:56] <rbelem> ScottK, i will continue working to get kdm-plasma ready, and i will figure out what other changes are needed
[16:56] <ScottK> OK
[16:56] <rbelem> :-)
[16:58] <rbelem> ScottK, it is almost ready, but i will not have time to finish it today.
[16:58]  * ScottK nods
[16:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: libqapt is translated into 12 languages 66 % on average 
[16:58] <apachelogger> complete are uk, fr, pt_BR, sv and pt
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[16:58] <apachelogger> not too bad I must say
[16:59] <rbelem> brazilian translation team rockz!
[16:59] <rbelem> :-D
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> I gots to go to lunch nao
[17:02] <ScottK> Riddell: 4.4.92 fully built on i386, amd64, powerpc, and ia64.  Need doko to fix the qt4-x11 ICE on armel before we get anywhere there.
[17:06] <Riddell> ScottK: you think it's a job for doko, not NCommander?
[17:12] <CIA-33> [release-script-refactor] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100713161200-bcasfbmi5yc55fn9 * libqapt.rb libqapt++
[17:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^
[17:12]  * apachelogger is wondering where that is coming from
[17:15] <NCommander> Riddell: yes.
[17:16] <apachelogger> ah, we have a filter on libqapt ^^
[17:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: muon now also sets the version you specfiy in main.cpp
[17:16] <apachelogger> Nightrose: our family just grew quite a bit ;)
[17:17] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sorry - at work - our family grew? :D
[17:17] <Nightrose> details please
[17:17] <apachelogger> Nightrose: now also releasing kdevelop, kdevplatform, muon and libqapt ;)
[17:18] <Nightrose> ohhhhh
[17:19] <apachelogger> dantti: lp:~apachelogger/%2Bjunk/release-script-refactor/ has a nice release script for libdebconf-kde if you want ;)
[17:25] <CIA-33> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100713162535-3f72oor55z62fnul * (.bzr-builddeb .bzr-builddeb/default.conf) add bzr-builddeb
[17:31] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  NCommander is FTBFS, ICE is doko.
[17:31] <ScottK> I mentioned it at the last release team meeting too.
[17:32] <CIA-33> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100713163246-yq2aae9c8jp1hxru * (bin/batpaste debian/changelog debian/control) * Depend on kdebase-runtime not kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 (latter got dropped) * Fix batpaste
[17:34] <CIA-33> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100713163448-4zmdi9xk9i2t20in * (bin/astyle-kubuntu debian/changelog debian/control) * Add astyle script to format code according to Kubuntu C++ coding style + Recommend astyle
[17:39] <CIA-33> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100713163907-phn0cppyp225e3rk * debian/ (source source/format changelog control) * Silence lintian + Raise standards version + Add debian/source + Depend on ${misc:Depends}
[17:44] <CIA-33> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100713164431-639d3ejpgrzx5jfv * (bin/kde-sc-build-status debian/changelog debian/control) * Add kde-sc-build-status by Jonathan Riddell + Depend on python-launchpadlib
[17:45] <rgreening> apachelogger: ubuntuone syncd eats my system
[17:45] <apachelogger> python--
[17:46] <apachelogger> rgreening: any hints as to why?
[17:46] <rgreening> dunno. I set some mp3s to upload and the load average has been 2 constantly since then
[17:47] <apachelogger> ohm
[17:47] <apachelogger> qdbus com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon /
[17:47] <apachelogger> does that return anything?
[17:47] <apachelogger> or time out?
[17:48] <rgreening> it returns but takes a while
[17:49] <rgreening> apachelogger: gonna reboot... brb
[17:50] <apachelogger> then it is not my fault I suppose :D
[17:50] <apachelogger> the issues I had with kwallet were of the kind that the daemon would lock completely
[17:51] <NCommander> ScottK: Riddell: I raised a flag to Linaro on the ICE with qt4, and they're having me do a rebuild with a toolchain snapshot. 
[17:53] <Riddell> thanks NCommander, good luck
[17:54] <NCommander> Riddell: yeah. I'll fix KDE once we get Qt sorted. No need to put the cart before the horse so to speak.
[17:54] <nigelb> shadeslayer, Quintasan: good session folks :)
[17:54] <nigelb> made it sound like realy awesome (it is btw)
[17:55] <yofel> +1
[17:55] <apachelogger> Quintasan, shadeslayer: supposedly I can nuke all of bat*?
[17:55] <dantti> apachelogger: you mean for the export stuff?
[17:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no one uses it :D
[17:56] <apachelogger> dantti: export?
[17:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: my point exactly :P
[17:56] <dantti> apachelogger: the findDebconf stuff
[17:56] <apachelogger> they are mostly obsolete anyway
[17:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sure :)
[17:56] <apachelogger> dantti: no, it builds a source tarball for release
[17:56] <apachelogger> a proper source tarball one might say
[17:57] <dantti> apachelogger: the findDebconf is obsolete right? so i should use export, no?
[17:57] <dantti> apachelogger: what is a propert source tarball?
[17:57] <dantti> *proper
[17:57] <apachelogger> dantti: no, they do not do exactly the same
[17:58] <apachelogger> findFoo allows looking for a dependency (required and non-required) and failing gracefully or not at all
[17:58] <oxymoron> In KDE 4.5 RC2, QT 4.7 Beta2 and Kubuntu 10.04 Lucid, why do I get an extra window marked with X logotype when starting Wine and VLC?
[17:58] <apachelogger> the export junk just helps cmake find libraries
[17:58] <apachelogger> from what I have seen this does have not the same advantages as findFoo though
[17:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/piR0XWZd << 404 on main archives :D
[17:59] <apachelogger> dantti: proper tarball being one with exactly the stuff that is needed (included translations) ;)
[17:59] <dantti> apachelogger: so i should keep the find foo?
[17:59] <dantti> JontheEchidna: btw did you fix the find foo? cause I saw your commit there
[18:00] <oxymoron> Is that a known bug?
[18:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: sudo apt-get update  ?
[18:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 4.4.92 packages should be in now
[18:00] <oxymoron> 4.4.92a :P
[18:00] <Riddell> oxymoron: not known to me, but then I don't use wither Wine or VLC
[18:00] <apachelogger> dantti: definitely, but you should talk this over with JontheEchidna since he is one of your library users ;)
[18:01] <apachelogger> I am just a user and I do not find it good when stuff falls over because it could not find a file 
[18:01] <oxymoron> Riddell: Alright, wll of course if you dont use them so :P It seems strange and its quite annoying getting an extra window all the time :P
[18:01] <dantti> apachelogger: k...
[18:02] <Riddell> oxymoron: mgraesslin might care, being a kwin upstream (or he might not)
[18:02] <oxymoron> http://imagebin.ca/view/7cZlP78O.html
[18:02] <oxymoron> mgraesslin: Do you care? :D
[18:03] <mgraesslin> oxymoron: can you switch to the windows or is it just in the tasks applet?
[18:03] <oxymoron> Hopefully I will se only one soon when using the Linux native Spotify client xD
[18:03] <apachelogger> mhhhh, batl10n* ... the mother of the superior l10n foo we have now :D
[18:03] <oxymoron> mgraesslin: I can switch to them yes? Its nothing in them though, just an empty window.
[18:04] <mgraesslin> could be related to systray
[18:04] <CIA-33> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100713170423-txbzdld4pb0nhryg * (11 files in 2 dirs) * Remove revupull in favor of pull-revu-source from ubuntu-dev-tools * Remove now obosolete batedit, batget, batgetorig, batl10n, batl10n-upload, batorig, batpush, batsend, battarexchange
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> dantti: yeah, I renamed it to DebconfConfig or whatever, and now find_package(debconf) works
[18:05] <oxymoron> mgraesslin: Yeah I got ugly icons with VLC and SPotify xD Black bakcground behind them as well :P
[18:05] <dantti> JontheEchidna: thanks, does it install everithing to the right place too?
[18:05] <dantti> what's the name of qt xt or something that has some free classes?
[18:05] <mgraesslin> I don't get those windows with VLC, but my VLC does not use a systray icon
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> dantti: yeah, but there is one more thing that needs fixed. It doesn't install .so versioned libraries (e.g. libdebconf.so.0.1.0 or whatever), but only the straight .so
[18:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: same problem
[18:06] <dantti> hmm..
[18:06] <oxymoron> mgraesslin: Hmm, maybe you use an old version of VLC or somethings strange going on with mydesktop as usual :P Seems like I am unique with my desktop that nobody can reproduce same things as I do xD
[18:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/5SVSrq1J
[18:07] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[18:07] <mgraesslin> oxymoron: VLC-Version 1.0.6 Goldeneye
[18:07] <oxymoron> mgraesslin: Always get trouble with X, sessions, systray and windows/Kwin/OpenGL/QT
[18:07] <CIA-33> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100713170727-oawn8dd6ynqt926p * (bin/batbuild bin/batpull debian/changelog) batorig, batpush, batsend, battarexchange, batpull, batbuild
[18:08] <oxymoron> mgraesslin: Architecture: amd64 - Version: 1.0.6-1ubuntu1
[18:09] <oxymoron> mgraesslin: As far as I can remember it havent worked properly since KDE 3.5 with window manager and handling :P
[18:10] <oxymoron> Theres conflicts between OpenGL, QT and Xserver I think. Thats one reasons why nouveau doesnt get properly native support for nvidia :P
[18:26] <CIA-33> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100713172639-pmzur6luf3vwf4xz * (bin/gypsy debian/changelog lib/bat.rb) Cleanup bat library to only support what batpaste needs
[18:28] <CIA-33> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100713172806-n0sh6pd2wpslpyao * (15 files in 4 dirs) Remove kioclient and kreadwriteconfig libraries
[18:33] <CIA-33> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100713173219-3zd2mlj1htferwfp * (conf conf/batrc) remove old config
[18:34] <CIA-33> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100713173319-xb6eiczldv0vwn1x * debian/changelog releasing version 10.10ubuntu1
[18:34] <MrDarkUser> hi, I am trying to set up a development enviornment, and have gotten most of a kdesrc-build system up, does anybody use project Neon for kde development?
[18:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[18:35] <shadeslayer> MrDarkUser: Welkome
[18:36] <shadeslayer> MrDarkUser: join #project-neon
[18:48] <apachelogger> seele, JontheEchidna: what do we do about bug 390226
[18:49] <JontheEchidna> bug upstream I guess
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> I don't think we have enough l10n manpower on the ubuntu side of things to make changing the strings ourselves worth it
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> but since string freeze has been on in 4.5 since forever ago, it'll have to wait for 4.6
[18:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: poke
[18:54] <shadeslayer> seems the file has since been lost
[18:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: What?
[18:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK: its gone :)
[18:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: What's gone?
[18:58] <shadeslayer> po/desktop_extragear-graphics_digikam.pot
[18:58] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Right.  So what happened to it?
[18:58] <shadeslayer> the digikam file .. i cant find it the po folder
[18:59] <oxymoron> poo xD
[18:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: #kde-i18n isnt saying :P
[18:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Note that it was there before.  It was probably generated and is no longer thanks to apachelogger's new magic.
[18:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hmm.. lemme download clean sources and check
[19:00] <apachelogger> pot files do not get built for non archive builds
[19:00] <apachelogger> !
[19:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: This is an archive build though
[19:00] <apachelogger> digikam got a completely stupid rules file that assumes the presence of the file though
[19:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: someone put it there in the 1.2.0 release
[19:00] <ScottK> For in archive stuff that should be OK, right?
[19:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah
[19:01] <apachelogger> well
[19:01] <apachelogger> real archie
[19:01] <apachelogger> *archive
[19:01] <apachelogger> not PPA
[19:01] <ScottK> But it's not.
[19:01] <apachelogger> log
[19:01] <apachelogger> plz
[19:01] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/2:1.3.0-0ubuntu1/+build/1806969/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-ia64.digikam_2:1.3.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^
[19:02] <apachelogger> hooray
[19:03] <apachelogger> double hooray
[19:03] <apachelogger> chrome eats my mem
[19:03] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm starting to get a little nervous about rekonq stability.
[19:04] <apachelogger> swtich to firefox already
[19:04] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: just read the ninja session, you can add EXTRAPACKAGES="ccache nano apt-transport-https"
[19:04] <neversfelde> to your pbuilderrc
[19:04]  * apachelogger recommens adding that to the wiki?
[19:04] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: we dont give out ninja ppa :D
[19:04] <apachelogger> nano?
[19:04] <apachelogger> Oo
[19:04] <apachelogger> :O
[19:04] <neversfelde> if you need nano, ofcourse without ccache apt-transport-https
[19:04] <apachelogger> neversfelde--
[19:05] <shadeslayer> [23:34:47] <elchevive1968__> shadeslayer: this russian kformula docbook doesnt exist anymore since 2 months ago
[19:05] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: ?
[19:05] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: not you
[19:05] <neversfelde> apachelogger: ?
[19:05] <apachelogger> neversfelde: the terminal hook will install an editor
[19:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^^ apachelogger
[19:05] <shadeslayer> so im removing it from rules
[19:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: context?
[19:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: digikam FTBFS
[19:05] <shadeslayer> [23:34:47] <elchevive1968__> shadeslayer: this russian kformula docbook doesnt exist anymore since 2 months ago << from #kde-i18n
[19:05] <neversfelde> apachelogger: not for pbuilder login?
[19:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it does not ftbfs because of a docbook file?
[19:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thats what #kde-i18n says :S
[19:06] <apachelogger> neversfelde: why would you login into pbuilder?
[19:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Note that it built on other archs.
[19:06] <shadeslayer> ScottK: fails on amd64 here
[19:06] <apachelogger> OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:06] <apachelogger> that changes everything
[19:06] <apachelogger> well, not really
[19:06] <neversfelde> apachelogger: in the session a ppa was added to the sources.list
[19:06] <apachelogger> just partially
[19:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: the ia64 build probably does not get built with the essential properties to let our l10n magic kick in
[19:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: Why not?
[19:07] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:07] <apachelogger> doesnt matter anyway
[19:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: Every other KDE package built on ia64.
[19:07] <ScottK> Why not?
[19:07] <apachelogger> pot&po surely do not get drawn from ia64 builds
[19:07] <apachelogger> also
[19:07] <ScottK> I think it'll fail on all archs now anyway.
[19:08] <apachelogger> the packages built on ia64 because they did not have bogus rules
[19:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yes,it fails on pbuilder here
[19:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: how so?
[19:08] <ScottK> So I think the other archs got built before the new magic was in place.
[19:08] <ScottK> ia64 was just late.
[19:08] <ScottK> So it was out of sync.
[19:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: It also shows up on lucas rebuild test results.
[19:09] <apachelogger> sigh
[19:09] <apachelogger> of course it does
[19:09] <apachelogger> THE RULES FILE IS COMPLETE AND UTTER CRAP!
[19:09] <shadeslayer> heh...
[19:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i can fix it.. 
[19:09] <apachelogger> it will fail for every build that does not trigger pot creation
[19:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please do so
[19:10] <shadeslayer> make that,i can try to fix it
[19:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: looks very likely that the other arches got built before the new pkg-kde-tools hit
[19:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: what worries me is that maybe the improved l10n foo is not working properly for dh7-only builds then
[19:11] <ScottK> OK.  Please help shadeslayer figure out the new magic.
[19:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you just need to if condition the copy
[19:11] <apachelogger> if file exists -> copy
[19:11] <shadeslayer> right
[19:12] <apachelogger> we will see if l10n is broken with that new upload
[19:12] <apachelogger> or if it is just ia64
[19:12] <shadeslayer> if(find -name *.po) cp
[19:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[19:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is not what the command is doing :P
[19:12] <shadeslayer> something like that..
[19:12] <apachelogger> it is trying to copy one specific file
[19:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: replace * with name of file?
[19:12] <apachelogger> no
[19:12] <shadeslayer> brr...
[19:12] <apachelogger> check for the explicit file
[19:12] <shadeslayer> then?
[19:12] <apachelogger> without find
[19:13] <apachelogger> sh can do that ;)
[19:13] <shadeslayer> how?
[19:13] <ScottK> Riddell: On the off chance you're still up for doing archive stuff: Bug #605125
[19:14] <apachelogger> [ ! -f FILE ] || do_something
[19:14] <apachelogger> if I am not mistaken
[19:15]  * shadeslayer doesnt understand why we cant use find
[19:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw that file *has* been removed according to kde-i18n
[19:15] <shadeslayer> so why even check?
[19:16]  * apachelogger is sadened by that question
[19:16] <neversfelde> mhh, must be something wrong with KDE in Maverick, it is too fast :)
[19:16] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: whut? it keeps freezing up here
[19:17] <shadeslayer> :S
[19:17] <shadeslayer> i need to format i guess.. too much of cruft on my /
[19:17] <jussi>  is it intentional that we are showing the home folder not the desktop in th folderview pasmoid on maverick?
[19:18] <jussi> if so, should we not move the install icon to the home folder?
[19:18]  * shadeslayer always thought the plasmoid folder showed the desktop folder
[19:18] <shadeslayer> jussi: btw did maverick install?
[19:18] <jussi> not yet
[19:19] <shadeslayer> jussi: does it detect your HD? :D
[19:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: poke...
[19:20] <shadeslayer> what happened?
[19:20] <shadeslayer> omfg
[19:20] <jussi> shadeslayer: no
[19:20]  * shadeslayer 's mail is full of apachelogger
[19:21] <shadeslayer> http://imagebin.ca/view/xr62KTb.html
[19:21] <jussi> oh lol.
[19:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no more no more..
[19:22] <jussi> specifying nodmraid at boot didnt work, but sudo apt-get remove dmraid 
[19:22] <jussi> LOL
[19:22] <jussi> hrm, Ive a / and /home, if I just replace / with maverick, will there be issues?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: dont think so.. but you might want to remove unncessary config files
[19:23] <jussi> and if I dont format it it wont eat my pix etc?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: it wont :D
[19:24] <shadeslayer> jussi: its just the config files :P
[19:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: there is a bug in the dh7 support indeed
[19:25] <jussi> so, are we showing the home folder for a reason?
[19:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  I guess we can retry that build to verify the fix once it's uploaded.
[19:26] <shadeslayer> ScottK: no need for me to do anything? :D
[19:27]  * ScottK looks at apachelogger to find out.
[19:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: the rules file is still wrong
[19:29] <apachelogger> you cannot build it for PPA
[19:29] <apachelogger> also I am thinking about limiting l10n altogether for i386
[19:29] <apachelogger> no use to have all arches build translation templates even though only those from i386 will be imported into launchpad
[19:34] <apachelogger> hm
[19:34] <apachelogger> while I am it, I could also limit l10n stuff to universe for now
[19:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna would surely love this
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> I sure would
[19:38] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1149587 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/detailswidget.cpp KUIT context tag fix
[19:40] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1149589 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/ (qaptbatch.cpp qaptbatch.h) Queue fetch warnings and commit errors for qapt-batch too, to be shown after the operation is complete
[19:40] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1149590 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/MainWindow.cpp Fix capitalization for this window title string
[19:41] <shadeslayer> brr... now fixing kdiff3
[19:42] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1149591 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Const correctness fix
[19:42] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1149592 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/MainWindow.cpp Const correctness fix
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> yay, muon is krazy-issue-free, and libqapt complies to all non-KDE standards for its Qt-only parts
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> I think it's time for another alpha
[19:47] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: go go!
[19:53] <apachelogger> well
[19:54] <apachelogger> no pitti :(
[19:54]  * apachelogger doesnt wanna restrict to i386 unless pitti tells him it is save to do so
[19:54] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1149597 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/CMakeLists.txt Bump version for new release
[19:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: restricting l10n to main|restricted now
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[19:55] <nixternal> heh, JontheEchidna is like me when it comes to commits...fix something, commit...gets on my nerves when people do huge commits
[19:55] <nixternal> change one letter...commit!
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> :P
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> it's a good sign when the commit is longer than the diff
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> er, commit message
[19:56] <nixternal> :commit
[19:56] <apachelogger>   Uploading pkg-kde-tools_0.9.2ubuntu3_source.changes: done.
[19:56] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[19:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, ScottK, shadeslayer ^
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> yay
[19:57] <ScottK> apachelogger: Excellent.
[19:57] <shadeslayer> LD
[19:57] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:57] <shadeslayer> btw.. kdiff3 is broken due to docbook issues
[19:57] <shadeslayer> we it has forma 4.1.2 :S
[19:57] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Fix it please.  You can fix kdesudo after.
[19:57] <shadeslayer> s/we/
[19:57] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yeah its going through pdebuild
[19:57] <shadeslayer> had to add a patch
[19:58] <nixternal> shadeslayer: what are the docbook issues?
[19:58] <shadeslayer> nixternal: want build log?
[19:58] <nixternal> sure
[19:58] <shadeslayer> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50965857/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.kdiff3_0.9.95-6_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:58] <shadeslayer> the de docbook uses version 4.1.2 whereas it should use 4.2
[19:59] <shadeslayer> dunno if its a issue with other doc books too :S
[20:00] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ill look at kdesudo tmmrw.. need $SLEEP :P
[20:00] <ScottK> OK
[20:00] <ScottK> Same issue on kdesudo
[20:01] <nixternal> wonder why that hasn't been fixed upstream...though what I don't get is why the issue is there anyways....nothing changed from 4.1.x to 4.2 that we use in our docs anyways
[20:01] <nixternal> or from 4.x to 5.x
[20:01] <shadeslayer> nixternal: there was something on a ML about this
[20:01] <shadeslayer> kdelibs doesnt support 4.1.x anymore
[20:01] <shadeslayer> ( thats what was written i think )
[20:02] <ScottK> Sounds right.
[20:02] <ScottK> nixternal: I pinged Tonio about kdesudo and he said he'd fix it, but he's been about as active as you recently.
[20:02] <shadeslayer> infact they gave everyone somedays to transition
[20:02] <shadeslayer> but i guess some projects didnt look :P
[20:02]  * shadeslayer will forward patch to kde
[20:04] <nixternal> but if i tell meinproc to use 4.1.x, i can build a doc...i wonder if someone changed something in kdoctools
[20:05] <shadeslayer> nixternal: email address please
[20:05] <shadeslayer> or wait.. ill pastebin
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: yeah, kdoctools dumped a bunch of internal stuff and is using external docbook shiz
[20:05] <shadeslayer> nixternal: http://pastebin.com/ecHdHmhN << i think thats the mail
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> neat, in 4.5 notifications don't go away if you're hovering over them
[20:12] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Or if they pop in under your cursor.
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> should they go away if that happens? I have not formed an opinion on that matter
[20:12]  * apachelogger jus thopes he did not break anything in pkg-kde-tools ^^
[20:12] <apachelogger> possibly we should add unit testing
[20:13] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'm not sure.  I first discovered the change when they were stuck and I couldn't figure out why.
[20:15] <nixternal> ahh, i see where the issue is for de for kdiff3, there isn't any messages in svn for it
[20:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is message indicator still a patch  ... bug 545550
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: no, upstreamed
[20:16] <apachelogger> then lets poke someone with that bug :P
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: quite accidentally/coincidentally, I went to avail myself of the facilities and just so happened to have my mouse cursor over where the notifciation of you highlighting me showed up
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> it was nice to be able to see what the highlight was about, but if the user doesn't get the clue that it didn't go away because the cursor was there, it might seem inconsistent
[20:17] <ScottK> yes, but we have blinky tray stuff for that use case.
[20:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 128643 - maybe fix upstreamy?
[20:17]  * ryanakca grumbles at usb-creator-* sigsegving on all of his computers and needing to have a LiveUSB to install linux on the librarian's netbook in 13 minutes.
[20:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, ScottK: took me a couple of seconds to realize that it was not going away because of my mouse
[20:18] <apachelogger> then again that might be because my cursor theme is pink and the notification was pink, so the contrast was not in favor of noticing ;)
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: perhaps. I'd close as fix0rd
[20:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you close upstream, I close downstream :P
[20:19] <apachelogger> sometimes this afternoon my KDE day became a buntu day
[20:20] <apachelogger> maybe I should do KDE weekends instead of u1 weekends
[20:20] <apachelogger> surely would be more relaxing ^^
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: closed upstream
[20:21] <apachelogger> thx
[20:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-i18n-doc&m=127577687726704&w=2
[20:24] <shadeslayer> uh.. ScottK http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-i18n-doc&m=127577687726704&w=2
[20:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: sorry :(
[20:26] <ScottK> shadeslayer: OK.  So fix it.
[20:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you have a fix for digikam yet?
[20:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no :S
[20:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: pinotree says theres nothing to fix :/
[20:27] <ScottK> OK.
[20:27] <ScottK> Who said it was broken?
[20:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: brr.. its FTBFS
[20:28] <ScottK> kdiff3?
[20:28] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:28] <shadeslayer> all of the archs
[20:28] <ScottK> OK, so there is something to fix ...
[20:29] <shadeslayer> exactly :P
[20:29] <ScottK> I guess the question is if apachelogger's translation magic fix was it.
[20:30] <apachelogger> huh?
[20:30]  * apachelogger lacks context again :S
[20:30] <ScottK> Ironic since context is a key part of diffing.
[20:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 327908
[20:32] <apachelogger> :D <- joker grin
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: what do you think should be done? :S
[20:39] <shadeslayer> pinotree says there is no problem :P
[20:39] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I think you should make it build.
[20:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: with the patch?
[20:39] <ScottK> BBIAB.
[20:40] <ScottK> I'd need to study it more than I have to have an opinion.
[20:40] <shadeslayer> ok
[20:48] <jussi> curious, I have no tab complete...
[20:48] <jussi> mind, it may be because I rm -rf .*
[20:49] <shadeslayer> jussi: brrrrr
[20:49] <shadeslayer> jussi: precisely because of that
[20:49] <shadeslayer> you deleted bashrc
[20:49] <jussi> right. how do I get it back?
[20:50] <shadeslayer> jussi: http://pastebin.com/6wZRwTzQ
[20:50] <jussi> :D
[20:50] <shadeslayer> you will need to edit some stuff tho :P
[20:50] <shadeslayer> the last 4 lines probably
[20:50] <jussi> fis there not a package I can reinstall that will bring it back?
[20:51] <yofel> jussi: it should be in /etc/skel
[20:51] <shadeslayer> nope.. and the one in /etc/default wont help too
[20:51] <yofel> the default one I mean
[20:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: thats new to me
[20:51] <shadeslayer> seems your right
[20:51] <yofel> shadeslayer: the files in there get copied to the users home dir when you create a new user
[20:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: i only knew about the /etc bashrc :P
[20:52] <yofel> that's the system wide one :P
[20:52] <shadeslayer> yeah :)
[20:52] <shadeslayer> thats the only one i knew apart from .bashrc
[20:53] <shadeslayer> in your ~/home
[20:53] <jussi> do I now have to do something to get them to work?
[20:54] <shadeslayer> jussi: source .bashrc
[20:54] <shadeslayer> from your ~
[20:55] <jussi> yay! thanks
[20:56] <shadeslayer> off to sleep now i am
[23:12] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks (kbackup backport)
[23:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Somewhat oddly, I don't see the actual backported package: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kbackup/+publishinghistory