[00:00] <tj83> thanks fellas, wife demands we go to store.... I will be parked, feel free to PM any thoughts or suggestions, I will follow up soon.
[00:01] <yofel> ok, it's a gnome change
[00:01] <penguin42> buy chocolate!
[00:01] <yofel> here in KDE the drive mounts without showexec
[00:03] <tj83> yofel, so you think the change takes place somewhere in gconf...... eek
[00:03] <tj83> bbl
[00:04] <yofel> drat, I once knew where that was set... can't remember -.-
[00:05] <penguin42> one of nautilus or udisks I guess
[00:05] <yofel> penguin42: you're spot on
[00:05] <yofel> udisks
[00:06] <yofel> udisks (1.0.1-2) unstable; urgency=low
[00:06] <yofel> * Add 00git-vfat-showexec.patch: Enable the "showexec" vfat mount option, to avoid data files being executable (which causes confusing question dialogs in nautilus which only have one sensible answer). Patch taken from upstream git head. (LP: #14335)
[00:06] <yofel> as was I for the reason *g*
[00:07] <yofel> lp 14335
[00:07] <penguin42> hmm odd solution
[00:08] <penguin42> now, how to find out why metacity seems to believe that the 'z' key is a binding for some sort of search
[00:09] <penguin42> hmm was set in gconf, I wonder if that was me
[00:11] <yofel> *headdesk*
[00:11] <yofel> they actually hardcoded that...
[00:11] <yofel> src/device.c:static const char *vfat_allow[] = { "flush", "utf8=", "shortname=", "umask=", "dmask=", "fmask=", "codepage=", "iocharset=", "usefree", "showexec", NULL };
[00:12] <yofel> and src/device.c:static const char *vfat_defaults[] = { "uid=", "gid=", "shortname=mixed", "dmask=0077", "utf8=1", "showexec", NULL };
[00:16] <penguin42> yofel: I've not found much anywhere for configuring udisks behaviour
[00:16] <yofel> me neither
[00:22] <penguin42> yofel: I upgraded my dad from 8.04 kubuntu to 10.04 ubuntu today, he has the same problem as me; lack of configurability - he had tweeke dKDE 3.5 just the way he liked it; KDE 4 is totally unusable to him, he can just about get gnome the way he can use it, but it feels like such a step back for him
[00:25] <yofel> I did use KDE3 for a while so it's not like I don't understand him, but I find KDE4 pretty usable at 4.4 (well, if you leave akonadi aside. . .) to me it's actually gnome that's unconfigurable (and I don't really like hacking around in gconf)
[00:26] <penguin42> yofel: The machine he's  using is quite an old machine and it just doesn't cut it for 4
[00:26] <yofel> ah, that's understandable. Efficiency isn't a strength of KDE4 :/
[00:27] <penguin42> and neither of us have much liking for 'bling'
[01:39] <Jordan_U> yofel: There are patches for btrfs support in grub2 (though they're still in the legal limbo that's been delaying btrfs support for almost a year now).
[01:50] <tj83> yofel, nice on the udisks bug find. I did search google, I checked udisks --help not sure where to make the modification.
[01:51] <tj83> read the manpage for udisks too now.
[01:52] <tj83> I assume the rules for udisks is stored somewhere in a config file >< still searching.
[01:53] <yofel> Jordan_U: ah, thanks
[01:53] <Jordan_U> yofel: You're welcome.
[01:53] <yofel> tj83: no, the default rules for vfat are hardcoded in udisks. If it's possible to change it then you would have to find out where udisks gets called and see if you can edit that command
[01:54] <tj83> oh my.
[01:54] <yofel> or patch the udisks package, but that wouldn't be worth it
[01:54] <tj83> then i believe this itself is a bug to those with specific uses of their SD cards
[01:55] <yofel> I still don't see the bug, if it's python, simply run 'python <script.py>'
[01:55] <yofel> or use another file system
[01:56] <yofel> well, you can always file a bug against udisks that they shouldn't hardcode the mount options
[01:57] <tj83> I'll take a step back, why is it that I can do python file.py but not ./file.py ? so this is to prevent what, the user from executing files from SD (or other) ? because i dont see the point if that is the same effect.
[01:58] <tj83> and yofel thanks, i see no problem running that way. what would be the difference?
[01:58] <yofel> tj83: no, without the showexec option, you can double click a 'Vacation.odt' in nautilus for example and nautilus will ask you if you really want to execute the file -> ridiculous
[01:59] <tj83> never even tried with nautilus i was using the cli just ./file.py this normally works for me.
[01:59] <cwillu_at_work> nautilus bases that question on the execute permission
[02:00] <yofel> tj83: the only difference is that you need to know and call the interpreter yourself, instead of relying on the shebang line
[02:00] <tj83> ok, i get it with the nautilus thing, agreed that previously that would be retarded. but I mean why effect the common execution of scripts with ./
[02:01] <cwillu_at_work> $(head -n 1 $1) $0 :)
[02:01] <cwillu_at_work> tj83, there's not really any way to avoid that, no?
[02:01] <cwillu_at_work> if you want the execute bit to mean something, and you have a filesystem that doesn't support it...
[02:02] <tj83> cwillu_at_work, i dunno, i thought anything was possible in linux, seems that is a easy way out of fixing the real problem.
[02:03] <cwillu_at_work> tj83, linux isn't magic, you can't fix a problem unless you can figure out what the fix should be
[02:03] <tj83> if FS = vfat     dont ask
[02:03] <cwillu_at_work> tj83, what's the fs of /foo/bar/baz/bing/bob?
[02:04] <cwillu_at_work> did you really want every access to have to go up the chain?
[02:04] <cwillu_at_work> special cases are annoying and buggy in general
[02:05] <tj83> i'm good, i mean for the general community, yofel gave easy fix for my personal use.
[02:33] <tj83> are there any medibuntu repos for maverick ?
[03:02] <MFen> if i have packaging questions, what would be a good place to ask?
[03:03] <MFen> and please don't tell me anything that begins with #debian.
[03:03] <ajmitch> #ubuntu-packaging, possibly #ubuntu-motu
[03:03] <ajmitch> the first is preferred I think
[03:04] <MFen> thanks! that sounds fine
[03:04] <MFen> before i go there.. are they like the #debian people?
[03:04] <IdleOne> MFen: no
[03:04] <MFen> ok, sounds good then
[03:23] <Chipaca> I'm experiencing a big performance slowdown in disk throughput in maverick compared to lucid :(
[04:13] <Vigo> What is the terminal call to display the MD5 and such?
[04:27] <LucidFox> Okay! I have a need for a Maverick user for testing Pinta, since I'm currently at work and can't
[04:28] <Vigo> I am not currently testing or running Pinta.
[04:30] <Vigo> let me look that up....
[04:30] <Vigo> A Paint thing?
[04:31] <LucidFox> yes, right now it isn't updated to the latest version in Maverick (although I suspect 0.3 will do the job too)
[04:32] <LucidFox> Could you install it? On my home machine, the canvas is grey and doesn't paint, a regression from Lucid
[04:32] <Vigo> LucidFox: This one says 0,3,2? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/maverick-changes/2010-May/000977.html
[04:33] <LucidFox> 0.3 is the latest in maverick right now
[04:34] <Vigo> LucidFox: That may report or post says 0.3.2
[04:34] <Vigo> *May
[04:34] <LucidFox> 0.3-2
[04:34] <LucidFox> -2 is the Debian/Ubuntu revision
[04:34] <LucidFox> there was never a 0.3.2 upstream release, it's just 0.3
[04:34] <Vigo> I stand corrected, thank you.
[04:46] <LucidFox> Vigo> Could you run Pinta and tell me what color the canvas is, and try drawing something on it?
[04:49] <Vigo> LucidFox: Download got throttled by ISP, re-doing now....
[04:51] <LucidFox> Vigo> On second thought, no need to
[04:52] <LucidFox> I reproduced this bug in Lucid now, by installing Maverick's Cairo
[04:52] <Vigo> LucidFox: Looks like a drab gray palette?
[04:54] <Vigo> I have never used that before, does Cairo fix it?
[04:54] <LucidFox> Cairo is what caused the regression, it worked with the Lucid version of Cairo
[04:56] <Vigo> I am testing way to many systems now, but am happy you figured that one out.
[06:23] <Fudge> hi, has there been any pulseaudio mods in last 24 hours. im using up to date maverick but with a vinux lucid system and pulse audio was set to run system wide. i have lost mysound and have had a sighted person look at the system and other than openning up the mic i have no sound at all.
[06:50] <Fudge> runlevel N 2
[07:09] <LucidFox> Vigo> Fixed version of Pinta just built in Maverick, could you install https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pinta/0.4+dfsg-1ubuntu1/+build/1866400/+files/pinta_0.4+dfsg-1ubuntu1_all.deb and verify it fixes the unusable canvas bug?
[07:11] <LucidFox> after that you can uninstall the package if you wish
[13:38] <duffydack> thinkin about installin maverick as dualboot with lucid.  am I right in thinking if I choose not to install grub during install and then boot to lucid and update-grub it`ll add maverick to boot menu and boot it ok?
[13:50] <BUGabundo_remote> duffydack: correct procedure
[14:40] <Tazzypillar> Hello, I don't need help or anything, but I'm going to try out Unity on a VM and I decided I wanted to ask around and see what the verdict on it is so far
[14:40] <IdleOne> Tazzypillar: we keep +1 discussion in here or we would end up supporting way to many alpha users who should not be running alpha
[14:41] <Tazzypillar> Yeah, I understand
[14:41] <IdleOne> Tazzypillar: haven't tried it :/
[14:41] <Tazzypillar> o:
[14:41] <IdleOne> I'm sure others have
[14:42] <Tazzypillar> I see~
[14:42] <Tazzypillar> That's alright, it's only to feed my little obsession anyway
[14:42] <Tazzypillar> And that is what I'm getting the VM for, I suppose~
[14:43] <IdleOne> hehe eat away
[14:43] <IdleOne> try it and report bugs if any to launchpad
[14:43] <Tazzypillar> I've been meaning to ask
[14:43] <Tazzypillar> how do I do that?
[14:43] <IdleOne> launchpad.net
[14:43] <IdleOne> !bugs
[14:44] <Tazzypillar> I see, all right
[14:44] <Tazzypillar> and just to be sure; I'm running on a macbook, right now, so
[14:44] <Tazzypillar> the things that don't work right away in virtualbox would be the same as the ones coming from a seperate partition, right
[14:44] <Tazzypillar> ?*
[14:45] <Tazzypillar> Just in case so I don't file any regressions or advances where there might not be
[14:45] <IdleOne> I presume all test cases are welcome. The more hardware it is tested on the better.
[14:45] <Tazzypillar> Yeah
[14:45] <Tazzypillar> alright
[16:36] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 2 starts in 24 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:25] <Vigo> Are all the Vesa packages being removed or updated?
[17:48] <Vigo> Thank you.
[18:08] <IdleOne> Anybody know why when doing update/upgrade from one repo I get nothing and after switching repo I get 70 package updates?
[18:09] <penguin42> IdleOne: Shouldn't happen, but it's possible one of them has sync'd updates before the other one
[18:10] <IdleOne> penguin42: it's strange because this repo has always been very stable for me
[18:10] <IdleOne> could be they just haven't synced in a couple days
[18:11] <penguin42> IdleOne: Then it's probably just hasn't got around to syncing them yet; I'm not sure what the timing of these thigns is, but I bet they don't all do it at once
[18:11] <IdleOne> I wouldn't think so either
[18:11] <ripps> Can someone explain how to configure postfix, I'm trying to file a Debian bug using reportbug, but postfix keeps getting connection timed out whenever it tries to send a mail to anyone.
[18:21] <knittl> hi. does anyone still have those cpu spikes?
[18:30] <yofel> knittl: I do from Xorg, haven't restarted since yesterday though
[18:31] <knittl> yofel: i've had them for a week at least
[18:32] <yofel> me too
[18:32] <knittl> ok
[18:33] <knittl> does sleep with nouveau work for you?
[18:38] <yofel> I'm using nvidia
[18:39] <knittl> ah, i see
[19:39] <h00k> I'm pretty sure I'm going to upgrade my last stable machine to Maverick right now.
[20:09] <phillw> hi, is tasksel still going to be shipped with 10.10, it seems to be missing from the daily build.
[20:30] <yofel> phillw: not on the live disk afaik
[21:03] <Daekdroom> Is binutils package broken?
[21:07] <geser> why?
[21:07] <yofel> Daekdroom: not here (amd64)
[21:08] <Daekdroom> yofel, aptitude held it back
[21:08] <Daekdroom> It forces removal of oprofile and a lib related to it.
[21:08] <yofel> why?
[21:08] <yofel> lemme check
[21:08] <Daekdroom> !info oprofile
[21:09] <geser> ah, oprofile probabably needs a rebuild again
[21:09] <yofel> I don't have that installed, will check after updates finished installed
[21:09] <yofel> *installing
[21:09] <yofel> yeah, seems so
[21:09] <Daekdroom> I have no clue of what oprofile is, altho..
[21:40] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Performance monitoring tools
[21:41] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Glues the performance counters int he processor to something you can work with
[21:41] <Daekdroom> penguin42, I guess it's pretty much useless to have if I have 0 packages depending on it, am I right?
[21:41] <penguin42> Daekdroom: If you don't know what it is it's unlikely you want it
[22:02] <duffydack> http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5617/soundindicator2.png  that would be cool....
[22:05] <Daekdroom> duffydack, it looks kinda similar to that.
[22:06] <Daekdroom> The pause/next/last controls are below, and look different..
[22:06] <Daekdroom> different as in poorly done, where the pause button doesn't change to a Play button if you pause.
[22:07] <yofel> hi, if anyone else is running KDE: open konqueror, open the 'Find files..' dialog and tell me what element has the focus when opening. The edit box or the 'find' button
[22:08] <duffydack> Daekdroom, well there are a lot of ideas as to how it can look, but I`m leaning towards the cover art inclusion
[22:09] <penguin42> unfortunately my maverick vm really doesn't want to start kde
[22:09] <Daekdroom> duffydack, cover art inclusion? It's already here.
[22:10] <yofel> nvm, got it confirmed
[22:10] <duffydack> Daekdroom, oh?  never seen it..   well anyway, the current buttons look ugly to me as well..
[22:11] <Daekdroom> They should use the same icons as rhythmbox
[22:12] <duffydack> Daekdroom, I know its trivial but I`d like it to look a bit cleaner and just use 1 'look' for whatever app its controlling.
[22:13] <duffydack> Daekdroom, either way, its all still a good idea and I`ll use it no doubt.
[22:22] <penguin42> yofel: It's quite odd, in the vm kwin is not happy, even when desktop effects disabled or set to XRender, I know OpenGL isn't happy in this VM but I'd not had any 2d problems on Gnome
[22:23] <yofel> odd
[22:23] <penguin42> If I do a metacity --replace I can see what looks like an otherwise OK desktop, with the panel and widgets on the backdrop
[22:26] <knittl> yofel: spikes seem to be gone
[22:26] <knittl> had an xfreeze, so i was forced to reboot
[22:28] <knittl> finally cpu temp goes below 50 °C again
[22:28] <knittl> :)
[22:28] <knittl> good night! :D
[22:29] <penguin42> yofel: Ah, I've got it to work, I had to replace the splash by the simple one
[22:30] <penguin42> yofel: By 'Find files' how did you get to that - I see a Find... option, but not find files
[22:31] <yofel> penguin42: open the home folder, press ctrl+f (or go to Tools->Find...)
[22:32] <penguin42> yofel: I don't have a 'tools' menu; I have edit->find or ctrl-f brings me the same thing
[22:33] <penguin42> yofel: and they give me a bar at the bottom with a red x  Find:  entry box  next previous  options
[22:33] <penguin42> yofel: Witht he focus in the entry box
[22:34] <yofel> penguin42: enter '/' in the url field -> enter -> ctrl+f
[22:34] <yofel> the interface behaves differently when browing the web and folders
[22:34] <penguin42> yofel: Ah right, yes, that give s me focus in the 'Named:' entry field at the top
[22:34] <yofel> good, thanks
[22:36] <penguin42> yofel: With it set to disable desktop effects and to use the simple splash it actually seems to be working ok, except for some rather nasty artifacts rendering images in konq
[22:37] <yofel> which VM btw?
[22:38] <penguin42> yofel: KVM on lucid host
[22:41] <yofel> hm, don't have maverick VM at hand, will try it tomorrow
[22:41] <penguin42> yofel: It's pretty good actually, the only problems I have is with 3d stuff which is completely screwed
[22:41] <penguin42> yofel: But I don't get it, the graphics driver is a very very simple Cirrus it's emulating I think, so the guest shouldn't be even trying to do 3d
[22:42] <yofel> I seriously don't know for kvm, maybe it's actually attempting to provide 3d now
[22:43] <penguin42> nah, it's just emulating a cheapo Cirrus graphics card which just about knows how to plot pixels
[22:45]  * penguin42 disappears for a few mins
[22:47]  * yofel remembers the cirrius card in his first pc ever
[22:47] <yofel> that had, what, 1MiB memory?
[22:48] <yofel> argh, that made me remember Win95... worst OS I ever used
[22:49] <Daekdroom> Windows Me here :O
[23:01] <Jibadeeha> i had a Cirrus Logic video card in my old pentium classic 150Mhz
[23:01] <Jibadeeha> could do 1024x768x256
[23:04] <penguin42> well, it's claiming to be a Cirrus 5446 with 9MB of RAM I think, doing 1024x768 at 32bpp