[00:00] <holstein> so add i915.modeset=1
[00:00] <holstein> after quiet splash
[00:00] <Melodicdaydreams> on the same line?
[00:00] <holstein> right after it
[00:00] <holstein> with a space
[00:00] <holstein> like the rest of the 'arguments' are spaced out
[00:00] <Melodicdaydreams> mine just says quiet, no splash   should i add spalsh also?
[00:01] <holstein> not yet
[00:01] <holstein> we'll have to do something else to make this persistent
[00:02] <holstein> dont reboot either
[00:02] <Vantrax> anyone here a grub2 expert?
[00:02] <holstein> just do ctrl+x
[00:02] <Melodicdaydreams> okay, added i915.modeset=1 right after quiet (no splash)
[00:02] <holstein> try it
[00:02] <holstein> ctrl+x
[00:03] <holstein> if it works, we know how to fix it
[00:03] <Melodicdaydreams> hit control+x got no reaction  is that a save function?
[00:03] <holstein> nope
[00:03] <holstein> try esc?
[00:03] <holstein> you need to get back to the main screen
[00:03] <holstein> and boot
[00:04] <holstein> theres no way to save from here
[00:04] <holstein> this is ust a temporary troubleshooting step
[00:04] <Melodicdaydreams> I hit esc and am looking at kernel list
[00:04] <holstein> OK
[00:04] <holstein> no you should be able to boot that kernel
[00:04] <holstein> be sure
[00:04] <holstein> you boot the one you just edited
[00:05] <Melodicdaydreams> go ahead and boot it?
[00:05] <holstein> sure
[00:05] <Melodicdaydreams> here goes....  starting up
[00:05] <Melodicdaydreams> grrrrrrr  back to black screen
[00:05]  * holstein is no expert Vantrax , but whats the issue?
[00:05] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: drag
[00:06] <Melodicdaydreams> heading back to menu.....
[00:06] <holstein> get to the console
[00:06] <holstein> some terminal
[00:06] <holstein> and let me konw
[00:06] <holstein> know*
[00:07] <Vantrax> holstein, need to password protect the grub menu, remove all entries but the primary boot option, and prevent it from using UUID for anything
[00:07] <holstein> yeah, out of my area Vantrax
[00:07] <Melodicdaydreams> head in via recovery mode and log on??
[00:07] <Vantrax> yeah... need a grub2 expert
[00:07] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: sure
[00:08] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: at this page
[00:08] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
[00:08] <holstein> lets try Workaround B: Switch to -vesa
[00:08] <Melodicdaydreams> am logged on and looking at terminal style prompt
[00:09] <holstein> its about half way down the page
[00:09] <holstein> and i'll tell you how to undo the changes we make
[00:09] <Vantrax> Anyone know how to log into cups directly through the browser
[00:09] <holstein> if it works or not
[00:09] <Vantrax> I get login errors
[00:09] <Vantrax> as in through 127.0.0.1:631
[00:09] <holstein> Vantrax: i ALWAYS have a password error there it seems
[00:10] <holstein> i usually get in
[00:10] <holstein> but i just keep trying things til it works
[00:10] <Vantrax> I dont
[00:10] <Melodicdaydreams> holstein: trying workaround B?
[00:10] <holstein> so i dont really remember any good tips :/
[00:10] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: yeah
[00:10] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: in the terminal
[00:10] <holstein> run
[00:11] <holstein> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:11] <holstein> and let me know when you get there :)
[00:11] <Melodicdaydreams> shall I enter the /etc/X11......
[00:11] <Melodicdaydreams> enter exactly as you have written?
[00:11] <holstein> yeah
[00:11] <holstein> we are saying
[00:11] <holstein> as SU
[00:12] <holstein> open the file xorg.conf
[00:12] <holstein> from the /etc/X11 dir
[00:12] <holstein> and open it with nano
[00:12] <holstein> thre shouldnt be an xorg.conf ther
[00:12] <holstein> e
[00:12] <holstein> so we will just be making one
[00:13] <Robin________> Hello guys. I accidently dd'd my windows 7 boot sector (sdb1) with around 384bytes :s, i've tried all repairing options from the windows install cd, and also ran update-grub in ubuntu. My actual windows 7 partition is still in tact. Is there anyway of booting into it?
[00:14] <Melodicdaydreams> okay...entered and am looking at a page with a lot of # down the side
[00:14] <holstein> Robin________: sudo update-grub should just go see it, and make an entry
[00:14] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: you need to add
[00:14] <holstein> WAIT
[00:14] <Melodicdaydreams> waiting
[00:14] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: is the file empty?
[00:15] <Robin________> holstein: it doesn't find a windows installation
[00:15] <Melodicdaydreams> There is a disclamer and looks like it goes down the page.  Is there a phrase I should be looking for
[00:15] <holstein> Robin________: i would probably try something like http://gag.sourceforge.net/
[00:16] <holstein> Robin________: you dont have to install GAG to see if it will boot your windows partition
[00:16] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: it should be empty
[00:16] <holstein> hmmm
[00:17] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: if you press ctrl+v
[00:17] <holstein> you can go to the next 'page'
[00:17] <Melodicdaydreams> bar at top of screen: GNU nano 2.2.2 File: etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:19] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: SO its not empty, right?
[00:19] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: this is a text editor
[00:20] <holstein> for the command line
[00:20] <holstein> 'nano'
[00:20] <holstein> just think of it like 'notepad' or whatever
[00:22] <Melodicdaydreams> doesn't look empty.  If you define empty as in blank of course
[00:23] <holstein> do you see something that says 'driver' ?
[00:23] <holstein> something like
[00:23] <holstein> Section "Device" Identifier      "Configured Video Device" Driver          "vesa"
[00:23] <Melodicdaydreams> no
[00:24] <holstein> is it just a bunch of #'s ?
[00:24] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: use ctrl+v
[00:24] <Melodicdaydreams> those are alongsideside the disclaimer warning of impending doom if i make changes
[00:24] <holstein> to look at the entire file
[00:24] <holstein> and make sure
[00:25] <holstein> ctrl+y is page up
[00:26] <Melodicdaydreams> i have.  i have configured video device and configurec monitor but no driver mention
[00:26] <holstein> hmmm
[00:26] <holstein> im not sure what you feel comfortable doing
[00:27] <holstein> i would probably try adding a driver section
[00:27] <holstein> Driver          "vesa"
[00:27] <holstein> to that file
[00:27] <holstein> THEN
[00:27] <Melodicdaydreams> Well, considereing this is Mom-in-laws laptop and it's useless unless I fix it.....
[00:27] <holstein> i would try renaming that file so ubuntu wont use it
[00:28] <holstein> all in the spirite of troubleshooting
[00:28] <holstein> and i would run a live CD
[00:28] <holstein> and if it boots
[00:28] <holstein> i would look at the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:28] <holstein> which probably wont be there
[00:28] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: what do you think?
[00:29] <Melodicdaydreams> Can I download a version of the OS on my mac and throw it on a memory stick?
[00:29] <holstein> in theory
[00:29] <Melodicdaydreams> lol
[00:29] <holstein> if the laptop in question boot USB devices
[00:29] <Melodicdaydreams> Preservation of saved files is no longer a priority :)
[00:29] <holstein> if you had a live CD?
[00:30] <holstein> and it booted
[00:30] <holstein> that would tell us a lot
[00:30] <Melodicdaydreams> I don't have any other removable media than my usb....  in-laws are moving and this is a last ditch to fix the pc
[00:31] <holstein> you could try the first solution
[00:31] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/intel-driver
[00:31] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:31] <Melodicdaydreams> How do I get back to the prompt?
[00:32] <holstein> ctrl+x should do it
[00:32] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: you might need the other one
[00:32] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/855gm-fix
[00:33] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms
[00:33] <holstein> you got an 855gm
[00:33] <holstein> in theory it wont hurt to try both
[00:33] <holstein> i would do the 855 one first
[00:33] <Melodicdaydreams> start with the whole line for the 855?
[00:34] <holstein> thats my vote
[00:34] <holstein> this is pretty easy too
[00:34] <holstein> just copy, and hit enter and wait a minute
[00:35] <Melodicdaydreams> error {Errno -2] Name or service not known
[00:36] <holstein> thats from running
[00:36] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/855gm-fix
[00:36] <holstein> ?
[00:36] <Melodicdaydreams> yes
[00:36] <holstein> did you type it exactly?
[00:37] <Melodicdaydreams> yes
[00:37] <holstein> are you online?
[00:37] <Melodicdaydreams> not with that machine
[00:37] <holstein> AH
[00:37] <holstein> thats the deal
[00:37] <holstein> can you be online?
[00:38] <Melodicdaydreams> it uses an aircard
[00:38] <holstein> dammit
[00:38] <holstein> no way to wire it?
[00:39] <Melodicdaydreams> nope...  room with router inaccessible
[00:39] <Melodicdaydreams> now way to make the aircard work?
[00:39] <holstein> probbaly :)
[00:39] <holstein> i dont know how to do it from the command line though
[00:39] <holstein> i should
[00:39] <Melodicdaydreams> haha
[00:41] <Melodicdaydreams> brb, let me see if i can get in there
[00:41] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: i'll see if i can find the .debs somewhere for you
[00:43] <Melodicdaydreams> okay.  only one LAN.  If I disconnect from the router, my Mac will lose connectivity....
[00:43] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: which ever way you want to GO
[00:43] <holstein> let me
[00:44] <holstein> give you the link to the debs too
[00:44] <Melodicdaydreams> okay
[00:44] <holstein> in theory, you can downloan them on the mac
[00:44] <holstein> and move them over
[00:44] <holstein> and install them with dpkg or something
[00:44] <holstein> http://ppa.launchpad.net/glasen/855gm-fix/ubuntu/pool/main/8/855gm-fix/
[00:44] <holstein> that top one
[00:44] <Melodicdaydreams> 'in theory'' is starting to get scary, lol
[00:45] <holstein> hehe
[00:45] <holstein> its more on my end
[00:45] <holstein> i dont want to say a blanket statement
[00:45] <holstein> when i dont have the hardware in front of me
[00:45] <holstein> i think the easiest thing is to move it over
[00:45] <Melodicdaydreams> yeah, I understand
[00:46] <holstein> and run those 2 commands
[00:46] <Melodicdaydreams> let me clear my memory stick to prevent interence
[00:46] <holstein> while its online
[00:46] <holstein> you might need dependancies
[00:46] <holstein> it could get tedious
[00:46] <holstein> i would bookmark that page
[00:46] <holstein> and try hard wiring it first
[00:47] <holstein> run
[00:47] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/855gm-fix
[00:47] <holstein> then
[00:47] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms
[00:47] <holstein> then you can get back on here if that fails
[00:47] <holstein> and i will have left by then to avoid you :)
[00:48]  * holstein totally kidding ;)
[00:48] <Melodicdaydreams> Okay, give me a few :)
[00:48] <holstein> you might have to restart it
[00:48] <holstein> to get it to use the LAN
[00:48] <Melodicdaydreams> I'll take it in there and see what I get
[00:48] <Melodicdaydreams> lol ur funny
[00:49] <Melodicdaydreams> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms  is this 2 separate function?
[00:49] <holstein> yeah
[00:50] <holstein> but the &&'s
[00:50] <Melodicdaydreams> okie
[00:50] <holstein> let them run in order
[00:50] <holstein> so you can put that whole line in at once
[00:50] <Melodicdaydreams> really?  sweet
[00:50] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: i would run sudo apt-get upgrade too
[00:50] <holstein> while your at it
[00:50] <holstein> nah
[00:50] <holstein> either way
[00:51] <holstein> you can just get the problem fixed first
[00:51] <holstein> that upgrade can take a while
[00:52] <Melodicdaydreams> so yes for the sudo apt-get upgrade?   is 'upgrade' a part of that line?
[00:53] <holstein> can be
[00:53] <holstein> i would wait
[00:53] <holstein> you just did the upgrade from 9.10 right?
[00:53] <holstein> so you should have new packages
[00:53] <holstein> i was thinking this was an install from the CD for a minute
[00:54] <holstein> yeah
[00:54] <holstein> just run
[00:54] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms
[00:54] <holstein> after adding the PPA
[00:54] <holstein> the PPA is just adding a repository
[00:55] <holstein> so you can install those hopefully 'fixed' packages
[00:56] <Melodicdaydreams> if I have to reboot for the LAN, then I'll need to sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[00:56] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: nah
[00:56] <holstein> hopefully
[00:56] <holstein> ading the PPC
[00:56] <holstein> PPA*
[00:56] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/intel-driver
[00:56] <holstein> and installing the software
[00:56] <holstein> will do it
[00:57] <holstein> its this PPA
[00:57] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/855gm-fix
[00:57] <holstein> and then
[00:57] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms
[00:57] <holstein> then reboot
[00:57] <holstein> and come back if that doesnt just auto-magically straighten it out
[00:58] <Melodicdaydreams> So first: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/intel-driver, then: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/855gm-fix and: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms  and then reboot
[00:59] <holstein> yeah, i messed up there before
[00:59] <holstein> you just need
[01:00] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/855gm-fix
[01:00] <holstein> then
[01:00] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms
[01:01] <holstein> Melodicdaydreams: it wont hurt thoug
[01:01] <holstein> h
[01:01] <holstein> while your there
[01:01] <holstein> since you have to move the computer around
[01:01] <holstein> do all of it
[01:01] <holstein> do
[01:01] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/intel-driver
[01:01] <holstein> then
[01:01] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:01] <Melodicdaydreams> okay
[01:01] <holstein> theb
[01:01] <holstein> then*
[01:01] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/855gm-fix
[01:01] <Melodicdaydreams> hold on....  Mom in law, asks if we could bypass all this by downloading the 9.10 again and reinstall?
[01:01] <holstein> and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dkms 855gm-fix-exp-dkms
[01:01] <holstein> maybe
[01:02] <holstein> but this is really not that bad
[01:02] <holstein> and much faster
[01:02] <holstein> if it works
[01:02] <holstein> i would call that 'plan B'
[01:02] <holstein> and reinstall if this doesnt do it
[01:02] <Melodicdaydreams> okay...  Give me a few and I'll give it a shot
[01:03] <Melodicdaydreams> >>you better be here when I get back<<  :)
[01:03] <holstein> hehe
[01:05] <kermiac> holstein: I only just finished reading the backscroll. It looks like Melodicdaydreams may still be using grub1 - that's probably why CTRL+X didn't boot with those kernel options.
[01:06] <holstein> kermiac: i think hitting esc works though right?
[01:06] <holstein> as long as it doesnt reboot
[01:06] <holstein> and it boots the kernel with the arguments?
[01:09] <kermiac> holstein: from memory it was something like CTRL+b to boot with those kernel arguments, but it's been a while since i was using grub1
[01:09] <holstein> i know
[01:09] <kermiac> anyway, hopefully that PPA will help :)
[01:09] <holstein> and i dont have one up to test with
[01:13] <kermiac> holstein: seems like a *lot* of intel users are having issues with upgrades. another kernel argument that has helped a few people is "vga=771 noapic i915.modeset=1" (although using 'noapic' really  sux)
[01:13] <holstein> strange
[01:13] <holstein> i have an EEEpc
[01:14] <holstein> and i tested an upgrade on it
[01:14] <holstein> worked fine
[01:14] <holstein> yeah, that PPA looks promising
[01:14] <holstein> and its not that hard really
[01:15] <kermiac> yeah, diff intel chipsets probably. at work I did half a dozen & they all worked fine, but 2 were a real pita to workaround
[01:15] <holstein> if he comes back, will have him try ctlr+b in grub1
[01:15] <holstein> and try and find the right argument to pass
[01:16] <holstein> id really like to know if a lucid live disc 'just works' too
[01:16] <melodicdaydreams> I'm back....
[01:17] <holstein> melodicdaydreams: whats the good word?
[01:17] <melodicdaydreams> url could not be opened GRRRRRRR
[01:17] <holstein> yeah?
[01:17] <holstein> for the PPA?
[01:17] <holstein> hmmm
[01:17] <melodicdaydreams> and my husband would lose his mind if he knew I'm starting to understand this stuff...
[01:17] <melodicdaydreams> for the intel-driver
[01:17] <holstein> lol
[01:17] <holstein> hmmm
[01:18] <melodicdaydreams> he hacked this pc for his mom and now he's on assignment in Africa
[01:18] <holstein> well, if you can get back to that grub screen
[01:18] <holstein> with the kernels listed
[01:18] <melodicdaydreams> okay.. heading back to Grub
[01:18] <holstein> kermiac suggested that ctrl+b might make the added arguments boot
[01:19] <melodicdaydreams> cool
[01:19] <holstein> and kermiac suggested another argument for you to try
[01:19] <melodicdaydreams> okay, at kernel list
[01:20] <holstein> so press e
[01:20] <holstein> and lets add
[01:20] <holstein> i915.modeset=1
[01:20] <melodicdaydreams> ok
[01:20] <holstein> again
[01:20] <kermiac> it could be also be just "b", not CTRL+B
[01:20] <holstein> and try pressing ctrl+b
[01:20] <holstein> AH
[01:21] <melodicdaydreams> if i hit b... it will boot.  r u ready?
[01:21] <holstein> sure
[01:21]  * kermiac crosses his fingers
[01:21] <melodicdaydreams> here goes...
[01:22] <melodicdaydreams> sorry kermaic.  fingers didnt help :(
[01:22] <melodicdaydreams> black screen  ^&*(^&*%*&%&
[01:22] <holstein> your really not learning anything til you break your box and have to re-install ;)
[01:23] <holstein> good times :)
[01:23] <holstein> OK
[01:23] <melodicdaydreams> lol
[01:23] <holstein> kermiac: what do you think about renaming the xorg.conf ?
[01:23] <kermiac> holstein: yeah, that was my next suggestion. lucid doesnt need xorg.conf
[01:24] <holstein> shouldnt
[01:24] <holstein> melodicdaydreams: you can try what you just did
[01:24] <holstein> and use
[01:24] <holstein> vga=771 noapic i915.modeset=1
[01:24] <holstein> instead
[01:24] <holstein> OR we could go to the terminal and rename xorg.conf
[01:27] <melodicdaydreams> I think I need to call it a night.
[01:27] <melodicdaydreams> She wants me to put windows back on it now
[01:27] <holstein> doah
[01:27] <holstein> its not all that bad
[01:27] <stlsaint> melodicdaydreams: you try livecd prior to installing?
[01:27] <melodicdaydreams> no
[01:28] <holstein> yeah, i bet a lucid live CD would just boot
[01:28] <holstein> and you could install from there
[01:28] <holstein> OR put 9.10 back on
[01:28] <melodicdaydreams> how would I get a CD for that?
[01:28] <holstein> you cont want to put xp back on
[01:28] <holstein> its a business meeting away from being obsolete
[01:29] <holstein> melodicdaydreams: you can go to http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[01:29] <melodicdaydreams> no HATE windows....
[01:29] <holstein> and burn the iso to disc in OSX
[01:29] <holstein> use 'copy'
[01:30] <holstein> from something like http://burn-osx.sourceforge.net/Pages/English/home.html
[01:30] <holstein> and while its downloading
[01:30] <holstein> you can rename the xorg.conf
[01:30] <holstein> :)
[01:30] <holstein> and try rebooting
[01:31] <holstein> but, you dont want to upset the in-laws
[01:31] <kermiac> melodicdaydreams: i agree with holstein, a lucid live cd should "just work". Upgrades can get messy
[01:31] <holstein> its tough
[01:32] <holstein> to make sure that ALL machines will just update properly
[01:32] <holstein> its getting MUCH beter every release though
[01:32] <holstein>                better*
[01:32] <kermiac> yes, it is :)
[01:32] <melodicdaydreams> will give that a shot.
[01:32] <holstein> melodicdaydreams: :)
[01:33] <kermiac> melodicdaydreams: good luck! If you have any more questions please feel free to come back :)
[01:33] <melodicdaydreams> You've been awesome!!
[01:33] <melodicdaydreams> will do!
[01:39] <kermiac> hope she tries the lucid live cd before resorting to re-installing windows :) anyway, time for me to go back to work
[01:39] <holstein> kermiac: laterx :)
[01:45]  * phillw is always puzzled why people do not use the liveCD first :-\
[01:45] <holstein> totally
[01:45] <holstein> i think it should say that somewhere
[01:45] <holstein> officially
[01:46] <phillw> true, it is something we know to do, but it is not explained for newcomers
[01:47] <holstein> the live-cd phenomenon realy helped me get a functional install when i was learning
[01:48] <phillw> well, if your system has a problem, you can at least get on line and ask - which is more than certain other operating systems can manage
[01:50] <phillw> The editors blog in one of UK computer magazines said that he used the lubuntu live CD to rescue his windows machine, he was that impressed that he has left it as dual boot -- hey, ubuntu is gradually getting there :-)
[01:52] <phillw> sorry, not lubuntu, me just too used to typing that, it was a ubuntu live CD
[02:17] <spandan> for some reason my radiance theme stopped working on ubuntu 10..04
[02:17] <spandan> can someone help me
[02:18] <spandan> also, my sense (elementary) theme stopped working
[09:54] <Alexius> Hello to everyone!
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[10:07] <duanedesign> 'lo all
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[10:15] <Puck`> how's it going_? (:
[10:16] <duanedesign> good good
[10:16] <duanedesign> just doing some bug triage
[10:16] <duanedesign> and trying to get ready for the meeting later today
[11:01] <Robin______> Hello guys. I've just had to install windows 7 on my ubuntu machine (ubuntu 10.04 installed first), but of course windows gets rid of grub2. how do i get my boot menu back?
[11:01] <Robin______> oh its dual booting too.
[11:10] <Robin______> is it possible to update grub from live usb?
[14:35] <Bekmand> Hey community. I've finaly found out to get two screens to work with nvidia gfcard. I'm using TwinView, but now i cant seem to play any games through Cedega. Is this related or?
[15:39] <zkriesse> hello duanedesign
[15:39] <zkriesse> tab fail....ARGH
[15:39] <zkriesse> ducky: hello
[15:39] <ducky> hi
[18:09] <zkriesse> hello alien_
[18:09] <alien_> hello
[18:10] <alien_> how is ur day so far ?
[18:10] <zkriesse> Fine..yourself?
[18:12] <alien_> hot down here,Puerto Rico is too hot today
[18:12] <alien_> what Linux are u using ?
[18:14] <zkriesse> Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid i86
[18:16] <alien_> ok is like linux mint 9,sword of right ?
[18:17] <alien_> some apps i can use from ubuntu
[18:18] <zkriesse> alien_: I'm sorry?
[18:18] <zkriesse> alien_: What's your native language
[18:18] <alien_> spanish
[18:18] <zkriesse> alien_: Ok ask your question in spanish
[18:18] <alien_> thats why mi english is kind of crazy
[18:19] <alien_> tu entiendes latino ?
[18:19]  * zkriesse shall use Google Translator..it's awesome for this
[18:19] <alien_> what u mean
[18:19] <alien_> open the site
[18:19] <alien_> o from here
[18:19] <alien_> copy paste
[18:20] <zkriesse> alien_: No, yo no entiendo Latina y el español, pero puedo usar traductor de Google .. es fácil de us
[18:20] <alien_> i understan very good
[18:20] <alien_> eres chika o chiko ?
[18:21] <alien_> anyway no importa
[18:21] <zkriesse> Lo siento, ¿qué?
[18:21] <alien_> veo qeu vas una milla extra por la gente
[18:21] <alien_> y eso me agrada
[18:21] <alien_> if ur a guy or girl ?
[18:22] <zkriesse> Oh ningún problema .. tratando de hacer más fácil que el ... además de que quieren aprender español así que lo que una manera de aprender ¿no?
[18:22] <zkriesse> Soy un tipo
[18:23] <alien_> de cualquiera amigo no importa la ma facil para ambos
[18:23] <alien_> tu latino esta un poco loco
[18:23] <alien_> sigamos en ingles
[18:23] <alien_> te entiendo mas jajjaa
[18:23] <zkriesse> Eh yo puedo hacer esto ... español es más fácil para ti estoy seguro
[18:24] <alien_> im wondering if i can install starcraft in my linux buddy
[18:24] <alien_> i love that game
[18:24] <alien_> cant be with out it
[18:24] <alien_> i miss it
[18:25] <zkriesse> starcraft?
[18:25] <alien_> i fell like having a multyboot so i can play starcraft on windows side
[18:25] <alien_> yes
[18:25] <alien_> is kind of old
[18:25] <alien_> but my favorite
[18:25] <alien_> starcraft + warcraft
[18:25] <zkriesse> ah
[18:25] <zkriesse> Never played it
[18:26] <alien_> u control a hole army
[18:26] <alien_> evrything
[18:26] <zkriesse> http://appdb.winehq.org/
[18:26] <zkriesse> search for you game there
[18:26] <Jamer> alien_: I've run Starcraft on Linux before.
[18:26] <alien_> make maps
[18:26] <Jamer> It works fine.
[18:26] <alien_> play online
[18:26] <alien_> is kind of cool
[18:26] <alien_> is that using wine ?
[18:26] <Jamer> Yes.
[18:27] <alien_> how ?
[18:27] <alien_> ok
[18:27] <alien_> see im a little dum with wine
[18:27] <alien_> the dumest ever i said
[18:28] <alien_> never work with that because i dont undestand
[18:28] <Jamer> You could try this site, I think it has instructions for how to get it running.
[18:28] <Jamer> http://koti.mbnet.fi/hoppq/sc-howto.html
[18:29] <alien_> tried but not succed
[18:29] <alien_> jaja
[18:29] <alien_> thanks
[18:29] <alien_> thats wats up men
[18:29] <alien_> i need to read a lot but if i can make it work,,is worthfit
[18:31] <Jamer> I wish you luck, alien_.
[18:31] <alien_> thanks
[18:31] <alien_> i need more then that jaaj
[18:31] <alien_> thanks for the link
[18:31] <alien_> very usefull
[18:32] <alien_> what about ipods
[18:32] <alien_> any software for that
[18:32] <alien_> to put music in my ipod
[18:32] <Jamer> I think Rhythmbox will work with most iPods.
[18:32] <alien_> if i can get that no more windows for me ever again
[18:32] <alien_> is that rigth ?
[18:32] <alien_> never tried
[18:32] <Jamer> I've used it for my iPod Nano.
[18:32] <Jamer> And it works great.
[18:33] <alien_> thats more new then my's
[18:33] <zkriesse> alien_: What ipod type
[18:33] <alien_> is a 80G
[18:33] <zkriesse> what make though
[18:33] <alien_> kind of like the 160G
[18:33] <Jamer> An 80G will work fine with Rhythmbox.
[18:33] <alien_> but the old one
[18:33] <alien_> thanks
[18:33] <Jamer> zkriesse: An 80G is fifth generation.
[18:33] <zkriesse> ok
[18:34] <alien_> what if i wnat to boot linux from my ipod too
[18:34] <alien_> can i ?
[18:34] <zkriesse> alien_: No idea on how to do that one
[18:34] <alien_> ok
[18:34] <alien_> i read something about it some place
[18:34] <alien_> dont remember
[18:34] <Jamer> alien_, you might try this website: http://www.ipodlinux.org/
[18:34] <alien_> i think thas the site
[18:34] <alien_> let me see
[18:34] <alien_> BRB
[18:35] <Jamer> They probably have their own IRC channel.
[18:35] <alien_> yep thats the site
[18:35] <alien_> im using linux min 9 isadora
[18:35] <alien_> is it lie ubuntu
[18:35] <alien_> the apps
[18:36] <alien_> im i gona have more trouble using mint
[18:36] <alien_> whats the best linux
[18:36] <alien_> i have a multy boot that have all vertions on it
[18:36] <zkriesse> alien_: well depends on your taste + computer hardware
[18:36] <alien_> i see
[18:37] <alien_> so that means that all work the same
[18:37] <alien_> no one is bettet then the other one
[18:37] <alien_> just looks and thaste
[18:37] <Jamer> One could be better than another, depending on your needs.
[18:37] <zkriesse> alien_: Yes some are better/easier/neater
[18:37] <Jamer> But I don't think there's a definative "best".
[18:38] <alien_> ok i see,so i work with all
[18:38] <alien_> i do videos converting
[18:38] <alien_> any goog software
[18:38] <alien_> i record my desktop sometimes to do a little demo to friends on how to do
[18:38] <alien_> but is ogg
[18:39] <alien_> i cant convert video to avi or mp4
[18:39] <alien_> dont know how ?
[18:39] <alien_> thas the mos common format
[18:39] <Jamer> Maybe some project based on ffmpeg or mencoder?
[18:39] <alien_> how to use mencoder
[18:39] <alien_> is that on erminal
[18:40] <Jamer> Mencoder itself is on terminal, but someone might have written a GUI for it. I don't know much about video converting, though.
[18:40] <alien_> ok
[18:41] <alien_> i like to share,,thats why i want to convert videos
[18:41] <alien_> make them easey to see,i dont believe there is a chance to see ogg videos on windows
[18:42] <alien_> never heard about that format until i used linux
[18:42] <alien_> is there codecs pack for linux
[18:43] <alien_> ???????? thats something i wanted to ask for a long time too
[20:22] <bihari> i have saved a file in my home directory folder i am using this command in terminal cd ~/Roo0t but its not opening
[20:23] <ridin> bihari, use tab completion
[20:23] <phillw> bihari: if you just saved a file, it will be just a file, not a directory?
[20:24] <ridin> if-
[20:24] <ridin> looks like speedy and quick wins this round
[20:24] <bihari> yes i have saved it to  homedirectory
[20:25] <phillw> ls Roo0t
[20:25] <bihari> how to do that tab completion ?
[20:27] <ridin> press tab
[20:27] <ridin> make sure it's close to desire and then press tab
[20:27] <ridin> so no need to typos