[00:03] I'm confused; there seems to be a launchpad OpenOffice project - what goes in that launchpad project as opposed to either upstream or in the ubuntu package entrY? === yofel_ is now known as yofel === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless [04:59] if a bug is reported 3 years ago and is fixed now in lucid but karmic, jaunty, etc... still suffer from it should I close it? [05:00] EzraR: if it is definitely a bug that was fixed in Lucid, Fix Released, if people still need it in a previous release, they can nominate and follow the SRU procedure [05:01] ok, thanks [05:41] Quick question on a bug submission; I've found some out of date documentation in the gnome-help package, but it is ubuntu specific information. How should I go about reporting this? [05:46] bolster: ubuntu-bug followed by the package name [05:48] micahg, any reason it wouldn [05:48] bolster: ? [05:48] micahg, any reason it wouldn't go under ubuntu-docs ** [05:49] (having lots of fun with UK keyboard mapping on a US device) [05:49] bolster: oh, the bug is about the gnome-help package :), sorry I'm a little tired as it's late where I am [05:49] bolster: ubuntu-bug gnome-help :) [05:50] micahg, ok, cheers! [05:52] doesn't matter, already reported anyway :) [05:53] bolster: k, but you can subscribe for updates and/or mark it as affecting [05:55] already done :) [06:25] a bug that was opend against gnome-vfs but we now use gio/gvfs should be marked fix released or invalid? it wasnt ACTUALLY fixed in gnome-vfs but seems to be fixed because of the move [06:27] EzraR: that would be invalid if nothing was fixed and it's not applicable anymore [06:28] micahg: thnx [07:42] ddecator: or micahg: got a minute? [07:42] drew212: sure [07:43] micahg: if i ask the person in bug 604857 to use apport-collect command, will it give us extra files we need to check her plug ins and add on's that we need? [07:43] Launchpad bug 604857 in firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu) "flash player plugins chronic crash; installed latest version, uninstalled, redownloaded, reinstalled--can't get to function (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/604857 [07:43] drew212: try my flash collect response, most likely the user has flash 9 installed as well === rackIT is now known as rackIT_AFK [07:44] pastebin? [07:45] drew212: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/462848/ [07:45] drew212: bottom is a note for you [07:46] thanks =) should i also include the apport-collect # command? [07:47] drew212: nah [07:47] will that use the necessary hooks? [07:47] drew212: idk if the hooks are in hardy [07:47] X_x [07:48] why do people still use hardy? Isn't 10.04 the new LTS? [07:48] drew212: LTS to LTS upgrade doesn't happen to .1 [07:48] drew212: because some people still have problem with 10.04 [07:49] to .1? [07:50] drew212: 10.04.1 [07:50] drew212: and it's supported till April 2011 [07:50] * drew212 confused look [07:51] drew212: it gives the devs 3 months to get any release bugs fixed, LTS is supposed to be high quality [07:51] ahh [09:29] hi all [09:29] please help me with my problem [09:30] i can not install autoconf version 2.64? [10:24] anyone can comment on this : http://imagebin.ca/view/6388it6j.html [10:38] hmm , OSX is evil??? === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm [11:08] :D [11:08] ping ddecator [11:10] does anyone think bug 517729 should be closed? [11:10] Launchpad bug 517729 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "Doesn't really work on 1GB drive (affects: 1) (heat: 28)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/517729 [11:48] also guys please look at bug 604554 [11:48] Launchpad bug 604554 in ubuntu "sudo tasksel remove lamp-server (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/604554 [11:49] the reporter is saying that the command: sudo tasksel remove lamp-server [11:49] is actually removing ubuntu-desktop instead [11:49] sounds serious lol [11:56] trinikrono: the latter one reminds me of the one arand filed, let me check [11:56] trinikrono: dup of bug 574287 IMO [11:56] Launchpad bug 574287 in tasksel (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "tasksel uninstalled my system! (affects: 2) (heat: 59)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574287 [11:57] nice thanks yofel [11:57] but still scary [11:58] i am going to mark it as a dupe of your bug === om26er_ is now known as om26er [12:32] can someone give me a hand with bug 604482 [12:32] Launchpad bug 604482 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) "OOo Draw: changes to one objetc are applied to all objects (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/604482 [12:33] it's turning from a straight bug into somehting that isn't clear on the menu, but not sure what to recommend === gordon is now known as Guest51981 [16:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 2 starts in 24 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom [17:14] * micahg wonders if there's a meeting [17:14] Message sent out said there was [17:15] 17:00 UTC [17:15] is at 1700 yes [17:15] 45 mins from now on [17:16] * micahg forgot to change the alarm [17:16] in that case, it looks like I'll miss half the meeting, but cest la vi :) [17:19] e [17:59] * pedro_ waves [17:59] * charlie-tca waves [18:00] Hello folks, who is here for the BugSquad monthly meeting? [18:00] pedro_: holaaa, I'm ready to start [18:00] njin, good timing! [18:00] * GrueMaster sits in the back like a new inductee. [18:00] * yofel waves [18:01] pedro_: it' is the minimum [18:02] I'm here this time [18:02] om26er, hggdh, nigelb, vish, kamusin, around? [18:02] yes [18:02] o/ [18:02] awesome! [18:02] let's start [18:02] y [18:02] yes [18:02] holas [18:02] the agenda for today meeting is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting [18:02] so far we have: [18:03] # Mentorship program update from Mentors [18:03] # Update/Make new Triage videos [18:03] # Open Discussions. [18:03] let's go for the first item [18:03] Mentorship program update from Mentors [18:03] I'm a mentor! [18:03] how many mentors we have in the room ? ;-) [18:03] one here [18:03] don't make me hunt you :-P [18:04] pedro_, vish and om26er are mentors as well [18:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors <- our list of mentors is available here [18:04] and that was a student leaving! [18:04] qense, charlie-tca, vish, om26er any updates you want to share re your students? [18:04] eee! [18:04] I have been moving and have not even been on line for a week [18:05] my student is a learner and gets things in no time. [18:05] My student was focussing on the Synaptics input driver, but he felt a bit lonely there. There weren't much people working on those kind of drivers. [18:05] Mine's learning quickly as well. [18:05] qense: when me? [18:05] but dinner time now, got to go, or someone will be angry! [18:05] qense, ruuuun! :-P [18:05] vish: you don't have a student? [18:05] bye! [18:06] I lost contact with my student a few days after initial contact. part of it, was my hardware trouble, he didn't report back later [18:06] qense: ;p [18:06] vish: do some work! [18:06] ... [18:06] vish, any updates on your students? [18:07] we started with empathy as I am subscribed to, so that if he makes any mistake, I could be there [18:07] pedro_: i dont have any students.. i thought i mentioned it. [18:07] om26er, sounds great :-) [18:07] * vish already in too many places :( [18:07] vish: oh, about time you had one [18:07] vish, so we can assign all the remaining students to you ? ;-) [18:07] * vish hides [18:07] pedro_: called me? [18:08] hggdh, yeah we're having the bugsquad meeting thought you might be interested ;-) [18:08] * hggdh bluhes [18:08] hggdh, do you have any students ? any updates you might want to share? [18:08] I have one -- after initial contact, no news for the last 3 weeks [18:09] I am considering dropping him [18:09] that sounds fine [18:09] roj [18:10] ok my update: I'm currently having two students 'elopio' and 'njin' [18:10] nigelb: i should be like you , take up a task an not do it ;p [18:10] the first one is actively working on bug days and bugs without a package [18:10] lately he has been working on gwibber and gnome-media, so far so good [18:10] vish: that should be about cheese [18:11] and i'm just starting the work with njin ( we did our first conversation here during the meeting) [18:11] so welcome njin ;-) [18:11] hello njin :) [18:12] Thanks and good things to everyone [18:12] alright let's have a look to the students queue [18:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/Students [18:12] is anybody having time to work with any of them? [18:13] pedro_: since I will drop mine, yes, I can get one [18:13] kamusin, what about you? don't hide :-P [18:13] hggdh, awesome! [18:13] * kamusin runs [18:13] you can run, but you cannot hide. I hope ;-) [18:13] I can help to DrKenoby.. . last time I saw him working with gwibber reports [18:14] kamusin, sounds great [18:14] interest area: 'any' ... that dont sound good to me, that sounds like a one day show :p [18:14] heh well some people doesn't really know in which area to focus so they put any or nothing [18:15] hggdh , pedro_ : so this was the reply I had prepared for de-activating inactive students : http://pastebin.com/EeS2TPSn [18:15] charlie-tca: ^ [18:16] vish, cool, may you add it to our stock responses? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/Stock [18:16] vish: s/has tried to contact you/has had no contacts from you for some weeks/ ? [18:16] seems like hggdh is going to be the first one in using it :-P [18:16] hggdh: sure ,can you edit it? [18:17] looks good [18:17] pedro_: neither of bcurtiswx's students responded either [18:17] hggdh: Sorry for not contacting you earlier, I've had a lot of work on. I agree that it is best to let some one else have my place as I'm going to be busy with school work for a while. [18:18] awardle: ah, there you are ;-) [18:19] alright folks anything else regarding our mentoring program? [18:19] anything else to share? [18:20] ok let's move on [18:20] awardle: you can always send me/us questions, and we will answer them [18:20] * Update/Make new Triage videos [18:20] hggdh: Okay [18:20] hggdh: Thanks [18:21] we discussed this at the past UDS, we thought it might be a good idea to start doing short clips on how to triage bugs [18:21] like assigning bugs to the right component, how to set up the tools to work on a bug day, etc [18:21] Good [18:22] what do you guys think about that? [18:22] videos are much better than reading.. [18:22] there's one at http://blip.tv/file/3219368 by Brian but the audio isn't the best [18:22] * charlie-tca dislikes videos greatly. I would rather not bother than to have to watch them [18:23] what i'd like to do is set up some videos and also add english subtitles to those so they can be translated into another languages [18:23] and being used for local bug jams for example [18:23] * om26er would have never learnt packaging if it was not for those videos from dholbac [18:23] But for us that don't know anythings it can be helpfull and faster [18:23] charlie-tca: Yeh it's very difficult to do videos in the background and you tend to have to listen as well [18:24] I read. I do not do well watching [18:24] It is more difficult to follow a video that step-by-step text [18:24] I would suggest insuring we have both, videos and wiki pages [18:25] right, we don't want to delete the documentation or anything like that [18:25] charlie-tca +1 [18:25] om26er, true true.. [18:26] ok shall we do a call for topics on the bugsquad list? [18:26] kamusin, ;) [18:26] then we can choose from those topics which ones we're going to record/publish [18:26] pedro_: +1 [18:27] awesome, i'll send an email asking for those shortly [18:27] let's move to the next topic on the agenda [18:27] And, for anyone wanting to hurry up and start, maybe they could start with hug day procedures [18:27] * Open Discussions [18:28] true ;-) [18:28] any extra topics for the meeting? [18:29] This is going back to the mentorship program. I think it would be useful to send a student a message when they apply to join the program that it may be a while before they get a mentor. [18:31] remember that this thursday is pidgin bugday so if you can help us santa will give you a nice present this xmas :) [18:31] kamusin: pidgin? wasnt it kde day? [18:31] that was yesterday [18:31] rather isnt it... [18:32] oh! [18:32] awardle, noted, we say that on the wiki page but not when they want to join the team [18:32] kamusin, can i get a pony for xmas? [18:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100715 <- that's the bug day page [18:32] i want more hrs in a day! [18:33] ok friends, anything else? [18:33] otherwise let's wrap up [18:33] nope [18:33] ok ! thanks everybody for attending! [18:33] pedro_: thanks! [18:34] Thanks, pedro_ [18:34] * pedro_ hugs the bugsquad [18:34] time to lunch now ;-) [18:34] ;) [18:34] whoops [18:34] i'm ready to lunch [18:34] anyway, hello! [18:35] qense: maybe you can also direct simar to ubuntu-x , they could also help [18:35] * hggdh tries to remember what 'lunch' feels/tastes like... [18:36] hggdh: that what too much smoke does.. ;p [18:36] * vish hides [18:36] Excuse a minute i've to help my wife in cooking [18:36] vish: I've done that several times, be he has to get used to waiting for a response, I guess. [18:36] yeah.. [18:36] * hggdh looks around for vish... [18:36] It seems meetings on this time of the day are often interfered by eating-related-circumstances. [18:37] vish, I know thats a *shame* but anybody seldom responds there . :( [18:37] qense, hi [18:37] qense: we indians seem to always be in a hurry ;) [18:37] simar: I know, it can be quite frustrating at times to never get a response. [18:37] simar: and hello [18:37] vish: Because you do so much! [18:38] it's amazing what you all pull off [18:38] qense, ya :< [18:38] simar: usually folks dont watch the irc , and often respond even a day later :) [18:38] qense: i seriously need more time in a day! i need sleep :s [18:39] vish: Ah, sleep. Quite important. [18:39] simar: After a while people should start to answer. But it helps if you formulate your question understandably in one sentence. Sometimes people will look at it after you're gone and do things to the bugs even when you're not online anymore. [18:40] Although it should be possible to get a response in a reasonable time for most of the questions. [18:40] simar: they leave irc client running 24x7 and the timezones are always a problem [18:40] Yeah, some have IRC client servers that are connected all the time so they don't miss anything. [18:40] vish, qense ya i see .. [18:40] qense, vish vish, I have decided to get working with kernel team (touchpad), I think i can get better response there .. I have talked to Jfo about this [18:41] cool! [18:41] simar: Good! You've been looking around on your own. I appreciate that. The kernel team is indeed the most useful place to go for if you're interested in the bugs you've been triaging. [18:41] They are happy with any triager who wants to work on bugs related to the kernel, so you'll be very welcome if you decide to do some work there. [18:42] Every traiged bug helps [18:42] Don't forget that, you don't have to triage 50 bugs a day if you don't have the time or the energy to do so. We appreciate every contribution. [18:42] qense, Ya i'm more intrested about hardware related things .. about that i have been replying to your email (i mean my mail eventually) [18:43] ok [18:43] I'm happy you're finding out what you like to work on. [18:43] hggdh: so this is the final version: http://pastebin.com/xjwKSJSM , sound good? [18:43] for the reply^ [18:44] looking [18:44] vish: sounds perfect, thank toy [18:44] s/toy/you/ [18:44] toy! [18:45] hggdh: thanks.. and I'm deactivating awardle too :) [18:45] qense, my dyslexia sometimes produces weird results ;-) [18:46] hmm , did maco give any updates on here students? [18:46] maco! [18:46] im at work [18:46] shhh [18:46] her* [18:46] ;) [18:46] hggdh: I hope you don't have much other trouble with it. [18:46] qense, thanks for your your encourging attitude :)) [18:47] simar: You're welcome. I'm happy to help you. :) [18:51] * vish says "Sense" in Chinese accent ;) [18:51] vish: Chinese?! Why would anyone ever do that? :P [18:52] qense: i suspect "because they're chinese"? [18:52] I know I once said it sounded a bit like 'sensu', but that was before I heard how people pronounce THAT in English. [18:52] vish: can deactive saby too? [18:52] vish is Indian :D [18:52] nigelb: why? have you tried again? [18:52] I have to try again? [18:52] i.e. is there a process? [18:52] maco: back to work ;p [18:53] vish: when is your session again? friday? *nudge* :D [18:53] vish: try your Dutch accent [18:53] * micahg is wondering what happened in the meeting (will have to wait 7 minutes for IRC logs) :) [18:53] nigelb: oh! session! [18:53] darn it! [18:53] * nigelb missed most of it [18:53] vish: hahaha [18:55] qense: i prefer thinking of your name like > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensei [18:55] ;) [18:55] Me in my mentor role. :) [18:55] qense, I want a bit of your time about a bug where there is a conflict b/w thinking of two triagers ...https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554980 ... [18:55] Launchpad bug 554980 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "two finger scroll/multitouch not working on lenovo thinkpad w510 having SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad.. (affects: 9) (heat: 70)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [18:56] simar: Are you one of the triagers? [18:56] so are we still in meeting? [18:56] qense, ya [18:56] micahg: Not really. [18:56] micahg: mentor update and then video tutorials are planned [18:56] simar: And who is the other? What is the conflict about, according to you? [18:57] in meeting [18:57] k, well can someone reassign my mentees please, I can answer questions if I'm around, but no real time to mentor right now [18:58] micahg: have they contacted you? [18:58] or MIA? [18:58] simar: lookinga t it [18:58] vish: I'm MIA :) [18:58] qense, He dinnt use good words .. he's not right (may be thats a diff in thinking) .. actually there is a short term bad remedy and a good actual fix. He's abstucting me to mark the bug as a duplicate .. [18:59] micahg: well , thats another issue ;p .. but i dont think i'v seen them around... [19:06] simar: I left a comment. You're right, I don't even think that the proposed 'patch' (it is not a patch) should even be distributed by us. Go ahead, and mark the bug as a duplicate. [19:07] qense, thankyou very much .. :)) [19:07] qense, feels like a king .. [19:07] simar: I would like to give you advice: use less final stops and try to use a bit more paragraphs. Good-looking formatting of your texts makes them look more professional, which would make you more convincing. :) [19:08] simar: Also, a tip: you can link to bug reports on Launchpad in comments and bug descriptions by just typing, e.g., bug #308191 [19:08] Launchpad bug 308191 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Multitouch support not available for -synaptics (affects: 35) (dups: 3) (heat: 228)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308191 [19:08] the text 'bug #number' will be linked by launchpad. [19:08] qense, I note it for now. Your such advices are always welcome :) [19:09] qense, Another good tip. I just need it. [19:09] simar: Professional looking and sounding texts are important because we are often the only face of the Ubuntu Community that is seen by our many users and because it distinguishes us from the rest of the comments, which aren't always written in regular English. :) [19:11] qense, Ya I think I need to work on it, a bit. [19:11] simar: Don't worry, no one sounds perfect and we don't want to sound like machines or bureaucratic company support staff. But of course we can always improve ourselves. [19:12] qense, True [19:14] pedro_: what was DrKenobi's time available? [19:15] i recall having seen it in the wiki [19:15] * vish searches page info [19:16] oddly he seems to have removed it! [19:17] earlier it was 00:00 -03:00 UTC [19:19] strange [19:35] f [19:56] micahg: oh ,you meant you say , you havent yet contacted them??? [19:56] meant to* [19:56] got it mixed up :D [19:58] vish: yes :) [19:58] uh oh! [19:58] i wonder how many other mentors havent yet contacted :s [20:04] pedro_: yeah , so I dont see anyone available for DrKenobi , micahg is busy we already have to switch his students. at least until we get we get an update from maco or greg-g , they are the only other folks in that timeslot [20:05] vish, let me send DrKenobi an email to ask him about the times again [20:06] pedro_: cool , thanks! and probably a mail to the BC list , regarding mentors update? [20:06] vish, will do ;-) [20:06] pedro_: awesome! [20:08] pedro_: can we start somenthing [20:09] njin, sure let me send a blog announcement and i'll be back to you, one sec [20:09] pedro_: ok === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [21:55] pedro_: sorry conn problem [21:57] njin, no worries ;-) [21:57] pedro_: I need a new tag, for work-intensive triage (mostly for the server team, but could be generic). Any suggestions? [21:58] was right my last triage ? [21:58] all: please chime in ^ [21:59] njin, yes that's ok :-) [21:59] njin, move to another on the list and let me know if you have any questions [21:59] oh, now i have to leave becouse tomorrow i start working at 7:00 o'clock [22:00] pedro_: I cannot seem to come up with a small-enough, descriptive tag... the best I got so far is 'work-intensive' :-( [22:00] njin, sure whenever you can ;-) [22:00] tomorrow i'm here again. [22:00] njin, yeap see you tomorrow! have a good rest of your day [22:00] Have a fantastic day ! [22:00] hggdh, heh work-intensive sounds perfect to me :-P [22:01] :-) [22:01] cool. I will set it in, then [22:02] hggdh, remember to add it to Tags page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags [22:02] pedro_: I will [22:20] Hi when confirming bugs on bug days should one test on the current stable ubuntu release, or ubuntu+1? [23:31] /set irc_conf_mode 1 [23:33] ddecator: still waiting ;) [23:40] trothigar: testing on the reported release (to confirm) and then on the development would be very good [23:46] hggdh: ty