[04:15] paultag: Did you see the massive commits to gc today, I remember vaguely going around the super market buying things with a pleased but vacant expression this evening. [04:45] doctormo: in answer to your query yesterday, yes I lead reviewers team along with dholbach [04:46] nigelb: Ah, your a man of many hats :-D [04:46] doctormo: heh, the user days and classroom is a team of a bunch of us btw :) [04:47] * nigelb is only a "recruiting specialist" there :D [04:47] nigelb: I hear the most from you, besides, your the one that roped me into teaching a subject I barely know, (I would have gotten jono :-P) [04:48] nigelb: So, what _do_ you think of my purple revision to the deb guide cover? http://doctormo.deviantart.com/#/d2tvebj [04:48] doctormo: haha, I mostly do the recruiting bits. The others do a lot of the heavy lifting. [04:49] doctormo: you wanted the purple for effect or an ubuntu touch? [04:49] nigelb: Less boring, if it was for ubuntu I would have gone with Ubuntu purple. [04:50] In that case, it fits [04:50] I may be partial to purple though, I like purple second best as a color :D [04:51] doctormo: oh oh, try debian blue? [04:51] nigelb: linky? [04:52] http://www.debian.org/Pics/lennybanner_indexed.png [04:54] nigelb: Do they have an svg of that anywhere? [04:54] no clue [04:55] ask somone in #debian-ubuntu on oftc maybe [04:57] http://www.debianart.org/cchost/contests/lennybanner/si0ux/lennybanner_-_si0ux_-_Orbit_Banner.svg [04:58] Wow that took a second to find lol [04:58] doctormo: you're the artwork man ;) [04:59] never forget that svg is a very powerful google term [04:59] heh [05:16] nigelb: Are you saying that this is better: http://imagebin.ca/view/jQqmN3i.html ? [05:17] YES! [05:17] * nigelb pokes pleia2 to take a look too [05:17] doctormo: OMG! It is awesome! [05:18] ah nice, using the background :) [05:18] doctormo: Wow. You might want to capitalize Debian though [05:18] And you need a much bigger check list [05:19] nhandler: lol @ bigger checklist [05:19] nhandler: There are two problems with that, 1) the debian logo uses a proprietary $300 font and is only available in it's svg state and 2) trademarks need to be kept authentic to their original design. [05:20] I used a nice look-a-like font for the packaging part and adjusted the dimensions and stroke to give a good impression. [05:21] wow, I had no idea they were using a proprietary font [05:21] and they're wary about us using the new ubuntu font, gah [05:21] s/wary/weary [05:22] nigelb: At least the ubuntu font _will_ be free :-D [05:22] exactly! [05:23] I think I'll keep the purple for another guide. [05:25] What a productive day, I think I'm happy with that last minute change. [07:10] good morning everyone [07:14] morning dpm, kim0 :) [07:15] nigelb: Morning man ;) [07:15] hey nigelb [07:15] morning kim0 :) [07:16] dpm: hey .. morning [07:17] * nigelb wonder if dholbach is still sleeping after UDW :p [07:18] lol [07:31] good morning [07:33] dholbach: Morning [07:33] hey kim0 [07:34] hey .. had fun at UDW yesterday ? :) [07:34] yeah, it was amazing [07:34] loads of people, lots of good questions [07:35] great news [07:48] morning ara [07:48] good morning all! [07:48] morning dholbach [07:49] how are you doing? [07:49] Morning ara [07:49] morning kim0 [07:50] good thanks, yourself? [07:51] good morning dholbach, buenos días ara! [07:51] very very tired [07:51] but I guess I'll survive :) [07:51] bon dia dpm [07:52] :) [07:52] hey dpm [08:14] akgraner: did you mail mbudde? if not, I'll do it - although he probably doesn't have access to the google calendar either [08:28] dholbach: great UDW sessions yesterday [08:28] thanks duanedesign [08:48] * nigelb clicked "send" - a lot of people will cry spam about now :D [08:49] dholbach: its ok if you aren't around for the session. I can do it :) [08:49] thanks nigelb [09:40] aloha [09:44] hi randa_, czajkowski [09:45] how's folks? [09:45] hi all [09:45] :) [09:45] randa_: hey! [10:12] Jussi , are you around ! [10:28] wel, well, that is indeed the extreme of IRC-ing :) [10:28] jussi: poke [10:30] czajkowski: hola [13:56] nice, somebody massaged my session yesterday into something readable: http://ubuntutalk.tumblr.com/post/803190646/ubuntu-developer-week-getting-started-with-ubuntu-develo :) [13:57] manish sinha [13:57] awesome [14:12] hi dpm [14:12] welcome back! [14:12] hey jcastro, thanks! How are you? [14:12] good [14:12] hey, I am ahead on my work items [14:12] jono recommended I take some of yours [14:12] do you have any I can do? [14:13] let me have a look [14:17] Just so you are all aware, Im taking a little time off, got a lot of things on my plate at the moment. Ill see you all in a week or so. [14:22] jussi: all the best with that! [14:22] * dholbach hugs jussi [14:22] hope we'll get you back quickly again :) [14:22] thanks [14:23] dholbach: its nothing serious, we are in the process of buying a house, preparing for our wedding and moving into said house, so there are higher priority than being available on IRC. [14:23] oh wow, yeah I can imagine [14:24] jussi: I hope all goes smoothly :-) *hugs* [14:25] Pendulum: yeah, its been hard work so far, but looks like it will all work out now. [14:27] jussi: cheers! [14:27] dholbach: can you hear me? [14:28] nigelb: Thank you for the mention on the ML :) was my pleasure [14:29] jcastro, they're all quite specific on translations. Here is the list - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/462979/ . The one I've marked with [] are some that you could do if you've got time, that'd be very helpful. The first one is about looking at the main https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/ page and rewriting it so it is actually useful. I wouldn't want to give you such a big task, but if you just give me some feedback on how to make it useful for [14:29] someone willing to contribute to translations who lands there, that'd be awesome. The second item is about asking developers (probably ubuntu-devel, -devel-discuss or individually) what content they would like to see on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Internationalisation [14:31] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/j1SxwF2phO [14:31] dholbach: ^^ [14:56] dholbach, I PM'd him on IRC I didn't email him [14:56] ok, I mailed him [14:56] seems like there's still the recurring event in the google calendar, but it doesn't have actual events part of it [14:56] so you can't see it in the calendar, but it's still there [14:56] and in the ical feed [15:11] ugh! [15:12] so it needs to be fixed somewhere, but it's unfortunately not trivial [15:12] only solution for now is: never use recurring events [15:12] "solution" [15:20] :-/ [15:52] dholbach: umm, now that jussi is away, who can help make #ubuntu-cloud an official channel ? [15:54] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/Coordination [15:55] nhandler: ^ can you confirm? [15:57] kim0: tsimpson perhaps? [15:57] jcastro: thanks [15:58] tsimpson: Hi there .. Can you help setup #ubuntu-cloud as an official channel [15:59] kim0: look at dholbach's link [15:59] kim0: and nhandler here is on the IRCC ( I thought I saw him around ) [16:00] ok [16:00] yeah he was around 8 minutes ago [16:00] he might be back soon if you hang on [16:01] sure thing [16:01] IdleOne: We always point out extraordinary stuff, your was one of them. [16:01] Doing a session a moment's notice isn't easy [16:01] :) [16:03] kim0: That link is correct, although https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels has more detailed information. One question though: A lot of the UEC testing and support happens in #ubuntu-server currently, have you spoken with those folks about this new channel? Or is this not related? [16:04] Pici: AFAIK .. it's not really new. It's just dead and we're trying to refresh it [16:04] Pici: thanks for the link [16:08] dholbach: What's up? [16:08] kim0: What is #ubuntu-cloud for? [16:08] Ah, Pici is here ;) [16:08] nhandler: It should be become the official channel for discussing ubuntu in UEC/EC2 cloud contexts [16:09] nhandler: instead of redirecting to #ubuntu-server [16:09] jono asked to set it up as an official channel which I'm trying to get done [16:14] nhandler: thanks :3 [16:15] kim0: Have you talked to the server team about this to see what they think about moving cloud discussion to its own channel? [16:15] nhandler: sounds like jono wanted it [16:16] it makes sense [16:16] kim0 is the new cloud horseman [16:16] (in case no one knew that) [16:16] there is one critical question [16:16] nhandler: well I haven't yet .. [16:16] kim0: do you like death-metal? [16:16] hah [16:16] hehe no :) [16:16] DISQUALIFIED [16:16] jcastro: I thought so, but I don't remember seeing a blog post like you did for the last addition ;) [16:16] OMG >:) [16:16] kim0: :) [16:16] hehe [16:16] nhandler: yeah he is behind [16:17] So what's the process [16:18] kim0: Let me get control of the channel since the person who registered it is idle [16:19] kim0: Then I'll give you access to do whatever needs to be done. [16:19] Ok [16:23] kim0: You should be all set. [16:23] nhandler: Thanks folks :) [16:23] Make sure you update the channel list on the wiki and inform the server folks about the channel [16:23] Will do [16:26] * dholbach slaps paultag [16:26] … again [16:27] dholbach: what? [16:27] getting disqualified for not liking death metal [16:27] pfffft [16:27] paultag: something to do witht death metal [16:27] in that dholbach isn't qualified I think [16:27] dholbach: I hate the stuff, but every one of the horsemen seem to love it [16:27] nigelb: me neither [16:27] he called metalica "scratching" [16:28] dholbach: so that becomes the acid test [16:28] nigelb: I would as well [16:28] * nigelb too for the record [16:28] sheesh [16:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBmM79YadYM [16:28] I'm surprised it hasn't shown up on the job requirements for anything that involves working with jono yet :P [16:28] dholbach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC65ufGUvKM [16:29] Pendulum: it's an unwritten law [16:29] Pendulum: I think jono disqualifies those who like it [16:29] err, dislike [16:29] dholbach: that is awesome ;) [16:31] kim0: You might also consider reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorGuide and idling in #ubuntu-irc (at least until you setup some more channel operators) [16:31] nhandler: okie [16:32] good afternoon [16:32] hello qense :) [16:33] hi nigelb! [16:34] I hope you got my mail :) [16:34] Lets see if it's somewhere in the pile! [16:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 2 starts in 24 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom [16:48] dholbach, I'll have to pick my daughter up at Drivers Ed in about an hour and a half so I will be in and out between 17:30 and 18:30 UTC - just wanted you to know [16:48] akgraner: no worries [16:49] shadeslayer and dpm said they were all set, Laney too [16:49] I just posted a blog post with links to yesterdays sessions - and I'll try to do the same this afternoon for today instead of doing it in the am [16:50] yep, I'm all set - I might have to go before my session, but I'll be back on time [16:50] * dholbach hugs akgraner [16:50] akgraner: I wrote a small summary myself, which I'll put into UWN by the end of the week [16:50] akgraner: humphreybc wanted it for OMG Ubuntu too [16:50] awesome - b/c I was hoping you would write it... [16:51] LOL [16:51] :) [16:51] all of us are hit with a lazy wave [16:51] wow, you guys really go the extra mile for OMG Ubuntu [16:52] * nigelb points out the reader base of OMG Ubuntu [16:52] Its pretty big :) [16:52] it is? [16:52] just an observation [16:52] Do we have figures? [16:52] I think it a bit odd that we do that for them and not for all of the possible bloggers [16:52] i just occasionally see inflammatory and sensationalist articles from it being linked on identica [16:52] I agree maco [16:52] When we installed ubuntu at work, some how everyone tuned in there [16:53] I see a lot of bad info there [16:53] * nigelb doesn't even look at it [16:53] yeah i dont want to give them the page hits... [16:53] what do we do special for them? [16:53] ah, that way [16:53] they're like those nasty rumour mags you see in line at the grocery store [16:53] maco: we can as well post in on the fridge [16:53] * nigelb think akgraner would <3 it [16:53] maco, my thoughts exactly [16:54] jcastro, just observing that it seems OMG Ubuntu gets tons of extras from us when most of what I've seen from them (that I cared to look into) was bad info [16:54] just wondered why that was [16:55] The summaries will hit the Fridge as well [16:55] afaik benjamin hunts down people for information *shrug* [16:55] was just curious [16:55] We should make an indepedent blogger resource page. [16:55] now I'm back to what had my attention before :) [16:55] I encourgaed him to participate in the fridge when he applied for membership [16:55] qense, I think that sounds good [16:55] JFo: frige ftw! [16:56] Not send information to a few blogers, but start a 'Press Centre'. [16:56] nigelb, :) [16:56] qense: yeah but alot of these guys like having a scoop [16:56] jcastro: But we shouldn't constantly be giving a scoop to the same website. [16:56] right [16:57] * JFo wanders off [16:57] We could occasionally give scoops, but to different blogs. [16:57] who is giving out scoops? [16:57] it looks to me like they just apt-get upgrade alot faster than most people [16:57] ? [16:58] well, apt-get upgrade didn't talk baout the design change, but they did [16:58] iirc a bunch of people were invited to millbank to see the new design [16:58] ahhh [16:58] ubuntu-uk people, etc. [16:59] I think a few days before it was announced or something [16:59] jcastro: not putting you in the spot, but can we have a community managed resource like fridge do that? [16:59] iirc popey was there [16:59] at any rate, I think the fridge should have any scoops that go out. not random bloggers. If they see it first and get something out, then they were 'first' [16:59] nigelb: it was actually announced on the design blog [16:59] and the pics were on the wiki [16:59] I have no further opinion :) [16:59] jcastro: omgubuntu anncounced before that [16:59] (because the wiki went down) [17:00] JFo: unfortunately, the fridge doesn't seem to work that way. Usually they pick up other people's blog posts [17:00] (or interviews) [17:00] The Press Centre could also link to the different blogs (Design blogs, Canonical Voices, Planet X, Planet Y) and explain what they are, to make it easy for bloggers to find sources. [17:00] Pendulum, only when no one gives them anything to work with If I am not mistaken [17:00] * nigelb adds to agenda for fridge meeting [17:00] the new fridge will do all of that [17:01] JFo: that's true. [17:01] I don't see where having 3rd party websites competing for content is a bad thing [17:01] akgraner: \o/ [17:01] jcastro, I only do when they are competing with something near to our hearts (the fridge) [17:01] a better fix would be reminding design and other teams to use the fridge [17:01] akgraner: we can probably have more aggressive journalists :) [17:02] (or we can be more aggresive :) ) [17:02] I barely look at the Fridge, honestly. Maybe we should make it easier for teams/people to get their important blog posts there, or someone to write more content. (Or are those plans already in action?) [17:02] I would do more fridge things if it wasn't this drupal failboat [17:03] qense, I get it in my RSS feed [17:03] jcastro: aren't we moving to wordpress? [17:03] Yeah, I'm not that fond of Drupal. Wordpress is much better for blogs and news sites. [17:03] also, drupal rocks :D [17:04] it is the only one I get now, due to those massively wrong posts from OMGUbuntu I mentioned [17:04] nigelb: yes, I am looking forward to that! [17:04] jcastro: Wait, what? Are you also involved in the Fridge? :O What aren't you involved in? [17:04] drupal just needs a bit of effort to make it awesome [17:04] nigelb: Idem [17:04] qense: fixing bugs [17:04] :p [17:04] qense: no, my only fault is starting it and not maintaining it. :p [17:04] hahaha [17:05] Was it orphaned? :( [17:05] Well, the idea was nice! :) [17:05] qense: hey, fridge is actively maintained. [17:05] yeah but we're redoing it I guess? akgraner would know [17:05] Yes, the new design is quite cool. I got a preview :D [17:05] Interesting! [17:05] jcastro: In case you didn't notice my excessive pinging last night: [17:05] qense: I saw, and Liked! [17:05] you did! [17:05] Good [17:06] It was quite a positive talk for the European policies, but its general message was nice. [17:06] I think as long as fridge's wp is easy to use and uses lp creds so teams can submit stuff then we should be fine [17:06] jcastro: I think akgraner has some awesome plans for it. So we just have to wait partly :) [17:07] I trust akgraner to have awesome plans. [17:07] woo! I just optimized the system wherein people can ask that I do things :) [17:07] Whups, wrong channel, sorry guys :) [17:08] I don't want any of you guys knowing about that one, doh :X [17:08] wait, what was the rgiht channel [17:09] paultag: Congratulations anyway! [17:09] nigelb: no no no, it's based on Whube code, I was telling whube, doh! [17:09] qense: oh gee, thanks :) [17:09] paultag: ah, I thought we could overload you with tasks :D [17:10] nigelb: I'm not giving you the URL! [17:10] I wrote it this morning to avoid working on the website. Grr, I hate english [17:11] paultag: LOL [17:11] I know the feeling. [17:12] paultag: So let me get this straight: you aren Italian in America, studying/having studied something Computer Sciency, and now you have to write texts for some website? [17:12] qense: my family is from Italy, I was born in America, I go to school in Ohio, live in Boston, I love CS, and now I have to write plaintext ( no html ) for a college I don't go to [17:13] paultag: Ah, so you feel a bit displaced now? [17:13] qense: yeah, that and I killed off like 2 or 3 projects they had that were supposed to take me a few months in a day. So instead of keeping me active and working on cool problems, I have to type stuff up [17:14] That's lame. [17:14] qense: :/ [17:15] That is just incompetence of the teachers. [17:15] qense: I'm working in the datacenter [17:16] qense: it's OK. Last summer I did research and it was the best thing I've done in my life. Wrote two papers on AI stuff [17:16] qense: they are going to a conf. in Brussels called "ANTS" [17:16] Ah, that name sounds familiar, although I don't know anything about it. [17:17] qense: http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~ants/ [17:17] Of course, ants! :P Now I remember. [17:17] qense: :) [17:18] alright my friends - I call it a day - see you tomorrow [17:18] * dholbach hugs you all [17:18] later dholbach [17:19] later dholbach :) [17:19] bye guys :) [17:46] paultag: what time? [17:47] doctormo: I'm leaving here at 3 sharp, and heading down [17:47] paultag: See you at 3:30 then [17:47] doctormo, paultag: meeting up? [17:47] doctormo: yessir [17:47] * nigelb jealous [17:48] nigelb: yup, we like to hang out at a local tea place [17:48] oh, I need your help this weekend when we meet up for ubuntu hour [17:48] I have no clue what t do [17:48] nigelb: sure, whatever you need [17:49] nigelb: well, trick is to keep it low-key and low pressure, but be prepared [17:49] nigelb: I usually use my time to sit with other nerds, and get community work done over good conversation [17:49] nigelb: I do 90% of my fluxbox work at Ubuntu Hours [17:49] on a related note, I should get to working on that again [17:50] nigelb: just bring CDs, and any swag you have [17:50] nigelb: never know who you will meet, so be prepared [17:50] I'll probably just give a short note on how to start contributing [17:51] nigelb: yeye [17:51] qense: any update on ubuntu wanted? [17:51] what do you plan to build it in/ [17:52] nigelb: At the moment I'm quite busy with other stuff, I'll look into it later. :) [17:52] if its php, I'd like to help. If its not, I'm not approaching with a 10-ft pole :D [17:53] nigelb: It's Python of course, PHP was tried at first (Drupal), but it didn't work out really well. [17:53] qense: er, you've done drupal development? [17:53] I mean before this? [17:53] yes [17:53] not before Ubuntu Wanted [17:53] But there is no Launchpadlib in PHP. [17:53] Ah. But REST? [17:54] REST <3 <3 <3 [17:54] nigelb: I'm not going to write my own implementation of the Launchpad API in PHP when there is a more powerful language available with bindings maintained by someone else! [17:54] haha [17:54] I'm with qense on this one :) [17:55] ok, django then [17:55] nigelb: but don't forget one thing [17:55] nigelb: not you [17:55] lets pound on mhall's door [17:55] majoirty! [17:55] qense: don't forget one thing [17:55] qense: that launchpad uses openID. You can OpenID someone really easy [17:55] oh, crap [17:55] Yeah, but Ubuntu Wanted would need more than OpenID. [17:55] qense: and you can pull data from the open ID after they login via a backend, if you wanted to [17:55] I just git rest --hard HEAD^ instead of HEAD [17:56] qense: very true, and I'm not designing it :) [17:56] nigelb: Fun! [17:56] well, it was my entire day's work which I forgot to commit every 10 minutes like I usually do [17:56] nigelb: FOR SHAME [17:56] argh [17:56] nigelb: you can always push later [17:56] nigelb: commit often [17:57] paultag: no pushing, local tracking [17:57] nigelb: so? [17:57] nigelb: git clone nigel@localhost:git/project.git [17:58] nigelb: and just use that for local stuff, and track it outside of the working directory [17:58] nigelb: so you can always re-clone if all gets fscked [17:58] * nigelb hugs paultag [17:58] thank you [17:58] nigelb: sure :) [17:59] paultag: connection refused :x [17:59] nigelb: is sshd online? [17:59] an, no sshd [17:59] nigelb: it works over ssh :) [17:59] install openssh-server? [17:59] or git [17:59] nigelb: sudo apt-get install ssh [18:00] nigelb: if you want to get fancy, I've linked /git/ to /var/vcs/git, and /bzr/ to /var/vcs/bzr, so I can clone via git clone vcs@host:/git/project.git [18:01] nigelb: you create a project by cd'ing into the dir, and do a mkdir project.git, cd project.git, git init [18:01] nigelb: and that's it [18:01] nigelb: push before you clone, btw [18:02] then a `git remote add origin foo@bar:/baz/frob.git` [18:02] git push origin master [18:03] paultag: I lost it somewhere on the way, lets continue in PM [18:03] nigelb: yessir [19:02] I need to run, goodbye everyone, have a nice rest of the day! [19:11] nigelb: Re last night about fonts, the ubuntubeta font is being used on that front cover too for the "How to Understand" part [19:12] doctormo: oooooh [19:12] doctormo: he's fast asleep [19:12] nigelb: WTF'EN F [19:12]