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| zus | holstein, ping | 06:38 |
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| bluenode_ | hi | 15:42 |
| bluenode_ | the 10.04 is better than 8.04 from user perspective | 15:42 |
| bluenode_ | more friendly. | 15:42 |
| bluenode_ | wacom works out of the box! | 15:43 |
| ExiledMicrobe | Ok, so after reading what I can I am no closer to sorting out PulseAudio/Alsa and Jack. It all seems to conflict, which means I am doing something wrong. But I cant work out what. | 16:05 |
| ExiledMicrobe | Any experts on here that can give me any pointers? | 16:05 |
| straypacket | answer: kxstudio distro :) | 16:06 |
| ExiledMicrobe | sorry? | 16:06 |
| straypacket | kxstudio comes with pulse/jack integration enabled. | 16:06 |
| straypacket | it's a derivative of kubuntu | 16:07 |
| straypacket | you could study the packages it includes, or talk to irc user falktx in #kxstudio or #opensourcemusicians. falktx put together kxstudio | 16:08 |
| ExiledMicrobe | ok thanks. | 16:09 |
| straypacket | np | 16:10 |
| * Blank__ is another convert from ubuntu studio to kxstudio | 16:12 | |
| ExiledMicrobe | Is it safe to upgrade it over ubuntu studio, even though I upgraded to 10.04 from 9.10 and 9.04 before that. A fresh install would be a drag... | 16:13 |
| ExiledMicrobe | Well, it seems harmless enough process, I will try and find out... | 16:16 |
| Blank__ | ExiledMicrobe, probably not... i tried something similar and messed up a few things | 16:18 |
| Blank__ | and it messed up* | 16:18 |
| Blank__ | i had to format | 16:19 |
| ExiledMicrobe | yes well installing that is going to be a shit | 16:38 |
| ExiledMicrobe | hmmmm | 16:38 |
| holstein | zus: ping | 20:24 |
| holstein | lets do it over here | 20:24 |
| zus | holstein, pong | 20:24 |
| holstein | in case someone wants to look at the logs or something | 20:25 |
| holstein | zus: so have you ran JACK at all? | 20:25 |
| zus | i must warn you.... i think i a few things to get a program or two to work, but beyond that... it's still default | 20:25 |
| holstein | thats cool | 20:25 |
| holstein | SO | 20:25 |
| holstein | you have JACK installed right? | 20:26 |
| holstein | this is an ubuntustudio install? | 20:26 |
| zus | ubuntustudio over lucid lynx 10.04 | 20:26 |
| holstein | OK | 20:27 |
| holstein | in the menu | 20:27 |
| zus | ive got jack control, jackbeat, jackeq, jackrack... | 20:27 |
| holstein | applications - sound and video - jack control | 20:28 |
| holstein | start jack control | 20:28 |
| kernel_geek | holstein: Netjack ? | 20:28 |
| holstein | kernel_geek: just plain old JACK | 20:28 |
| zus | ok | 20:28 |
| kernel_geek | holstein: oh... | 20:28 |
| holstein | we've been talking about getting it running on zus 's box for a while | 20:28 |
| kernel_geek | holstein: Whats the issues ? | 20:28 |
| zus | kernel_geek, "Newbie" | 20:29 |
| zus | lol | 20:29 |
| holstein | zus: go to http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html | 20:29 |
| kernel_geek | ahahh k lolz | 20:29 |
| holstein | so we can talk about these screenshots | 20:29 |
| holstein | and i know we are looking at the same thing | 20:29 |
| zus | opening up now | 20:29 |
| holstein | the first screenshot | 20:29 |
| holstein | thats what you should see | 20:29 |
| holstein | when you launch jack control | 20:30 |
| holstein | your going to click 'setup' | 20:30 |
| holstein | and you should see the second screenshot | 20:30 |
| holstein | zus: do you have a realtime kernel installed? | 20:31 |
| zus | i should | 20:31 |
| holstein | nah | 20:31 |
| holstein | you dont have to | 20:31 |
| holstein | try it with the generic one first | 20:31 |
| holstein | and get the RT one if you need | 20:31 |
| holstein | SO | 20:31 |
| zus | i grabbed all the packages from the synaptic | 20:31 |
| zus | linux -rt | 20:31 |
| holstein | OH | 20:31 |
| holstein | ok | 20:31 |
| holstein | open a terminal | 20:32 |
| holstein | and run | 20:32 |
| holstein | uname -a | 20:32 |
| holstein | you can paste that here | 20:32 |
| holstein | it shouldnt be much | 20:32 |
| zus | but when i boot up i only get a black screen with a flashing _ for a few seconds before the ubuntustudio splash highlights ubu | 20:32 |
| holstein | we can sort that out too | 20:32 |
| zus | 2.6.32-23-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 11 07:54:58 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux | 20:33 |
| holstein | OK | 20:33 |
| holstein | SO look at the setup window | 20:33 |
| holstein | thats the second screenshot on that link | 20:33 |
| holstein | on the left, there is a realtime checkbox | 20:34 |
| holstein | untick that box | 20:34 |
| holstein | if it is ticked | 20:34 |
| zus | it was, and done | 20:34 |
| holstein | zus: this is your internal soundcard right? | 20:34 |
| holstein | that you're using? | 20:34 |
| zus | aye. i have no sound or video card installed other than what the motherboard provide | 20:35 |
| holstein | SO the also driver should already be selected | 20:35 |
| holstein | and that is the one you want | 20:35 |
| holstein | AND most other setting should 'just work' | 20:35 |
| holstein | there are 2 settings that we 'tweak' a lot | 20:36 |
| zus | top right?, under the delete button? | 20:36 |
| holstein | zus: yeah, that the driver selection drop-down menu | 20:36 |
| holstein | you can click it and look in there | 20:36 |
| zus | ok alsa. is already displayed | 20:36 |
| holstein | you should see 'firewire' 'OSS' maybe | 20:36 |
| holstein | i forget what all is in there | 20:37 |
| holstein | BUT, yeah, alsa is what you want | 20:37 |
| holstein | SO | 20:37 |
| holstein | the setting we mess with are | 20:37 |
| holstein | frames/period | 20:37 |
| holstein | and periods/uffer | 20:37 |
| holstein | and periods/buffer* | 20:37 |
| holstein | zus: down in the bottom right | 20:37 |
| holstein | you see latency | 20:37 |
| zus | latency is at 5.8msec | 20:38 |
| holstein | yeah | 20:38 |
| zus | frames/period is at 128 | 20:38 |
| holstein | tweaking the settings above | 20:38 |
| holstein | will change that | 20:38 |
| holstein | lets set frames/period to 256 | 20:38 |
| zus | period buffer is greyed out for me | 20:38 |
| holstein | zus: interesting | 20:39 |
| holstein | does it say 2? | 20:39 |
| holstein | zus: what is your samplerate set to? | 20:39 |
| zus | ok changing frames/period, released periods/buffer | 20:39 |
| holstein | that effects the latency too | 20:39 |
| zus | latency is now at 11.6msec | 20:40 |
| holstein | you probably want 44.1 for sample rate | 20:40 |
| holstein | if its not already set to that | 20:40 |
| holstein | 441000 | 20:40 |
| zus | frames/period 256, periods/buffer 2, latency 11.6 sample rate 44100... | 20:41 |
| holstein | OK | 20:41 |
| holstein | lest go with that for now | 20:41 |
| holstein | actually | 20:41 |
| holstein | since we dont have a RT kernel | 20:41 |
| holstein | lets do frames/period 512 | 20:41 |
| holstein | whats the latency now? | 20:42 |
| zus | latency is 23.2msec | 20:45 |
| holstein | OK | 20:45 |
| holstein | lest try that then | 20:45 |
| holstein | open a terminal | 20:45 |
| holstein | and add yourself to the audio group | 20:45 |
| holstein | run sudo adduser YOURUSERNAME audio | 20:46 |
| zus | i believe i have done so through the menu | 20:46 |
| holstein | OK | 20:46 |
| holstein | good | 20:46 |
| holstein | SO on the setup window | 20:46 |
| holstein | click 'OK' | 20:46 |
| holstein | and close that | 20:46 |
| zus | how do i double check to see if i am already in the audio group? | 20:46 |
| holstein | you can run that command | 20:47 |
| holstein | sudo addusuer you audio | 20:47 |
| holstein | and it will say 'you are already a member' | 20:47 |
| holstein | or nothing if it does it | 20:47 |
| zus | one sec, it cant hurt... | 20:47 |
| holstein | yeah | 20:47 |
| zus | done i was already a member. | 20:48 |
| holstein | cool | 20:48 |
| holstein | so go back to the main JACK window | 20:48 |
| holstein | screenshot 1 | 20:49 |
| holstein | and hit start | 20:49 |
| zus | (for the video group same as well just change audio to video?) | 20:49 |
| holstein | sure | 20:49 |
| holstein | you'll NEED to do that to get access to firewire devices | 20:49 |
| zus | ok start on jack got ya...(ill ask video questions after) | 20:49 |
| holstein | you see on that screenshot | 20:50 |
| holstein | it says 'running' | 20:50 |
| holstein | or 'started' | 20:50 |
| holstein | something like that | 20:50 |
| holstein | if its not running | 20:50 |
| holstein | you'll get errors | 20:50 |
| holstein | in a messages window that will pop up | 20:51 |
| zus | yeah on the screenshot and on my jack it says "started" | 20:51 |
| holstein | sweet | 20:51 |
| holstein | SO your running JACK | 20:51 |
| holstein | :) | 20:51 |
| holstein | SO | 20:51 |
| holstein | on the main window | 20:51 |
| holstein | theres a button 'connect' | 20:51 |
| holstein | click on that | 20:51 |
| zus | (only thing different now is there are -- instead of the RT ) | 20:52 |
| holstein | 8 screenshots down on that page | 20:52 |
| holstein | thats what youd should see | 20:52 |
| holstein | when you click 'connect' | 20:52 |
| holstein | this is where the magic happens | 20:52 |
| holstein | theres probably 3 tabs | 20:52 |
| holstein | audio MIDI and alsa | 20:53 |
| holstein | the audio tab is where you make connections | 20:53 |
| holstein | you should see your sound cards physical inputs on the left side | 20:53 |
| holstein | and the sound cars outputs on the right | 20:53 |
| zus | like hooking up different programs?, hydrogen, gtick?... | 20:53 |
| holstein | yup | 20:53 |
| holstein | different programs, or physical inputs, or synths | 20:54 |
| holstein | whatever JACK can see and use | 20:54 |
| holstein | you can connect in here | 20:54 |
| zus | so far only system is there left has a red icon and right has a green icon | 20:54 |
| holstein | theres a little '+' sign? | 20:54 |
| holstein | right? | 20:55 |
| holstein | click that to expand that 'section' | 20:55 |
| zus | ( like the back of an actuall rack/mixer) yep there is a toggle "+" | 20:55 |
| holstein | you'll see that toggle on programs too | 20:55 |
| zus | i got capture _1 an capture_2 on left | 20:55 |
| zus | playback _1-8 on right | 20:56 |
| holstein | that seems correct :) | 20:56 |
| holstein | thats the deal | 20:57 |
| holstein | you can launch something like zynaddsubfx | 20:57 |
| holstein | or hydrogen | 20:57 |
| holstein | or whatever | 20:57 |
| holstein | and start playing around | 20:57 |
| zus | ill do zynaddsubfx.... had a problem with it before | 20:57 |
| holstein | it is a problem :/ | 20:57 |
| holstein | but it will make a sound | 20:58 |
| holstein | open it | 20:58 |
| holstein | and go back to the connections window | 20:58 |
| zus | its open - | 20:58 |
| holstein | and you'll see it | 20:58 |
| zus | yep. | 20:58 |
| holstein | it may have automatically connected | 20:58 |
| holstein | if not | 20:58 |
| zus | with red lines going to the right | 20:58 |
| holstein | find its outs on the left | 20:58 |
| holstein | and connect them to the ins on the right | 20:58 |
| zus | out_1 and out_2 | 20:59 |
| holstein | for your sound cards outputs | 20:59 |
| holstein | yeah | 20:59 |
| holstein | outs on the left | 20:59 |
| holstein | to ins on the right | 20:59 |
| holstein | * | 20:59 |
| zus | playback _1 and playback_2 (has red lines connecting them) | 20:59 |
| holstein | then, go back to zyn | 20:59 |
| holstein | and in the menu | 20:59 |
| holstein | under 'intrument' | 21:00 |
| holstein | do 'vitual keyboard' | 21:00 |
| holstein | virtual* | 21:00 |
| holstein | and you can click on the little keyboard | 21:00 |
| holstein | or use your qwerty keyboard | 21:00 |
| holstein | and you *should* hear it | 21:00 |
| zus | on zyn i see up top | 21:01 |
| zus | file instrument Misc | 21:01 |
| holstein | OH | 21:01 |
| holstein | yeah | 21:01 |
| holstein | instrument | 21:01 |
| zus | wiat i see a keyboard though | 21:01 |
| holstein | unless you see a keyboard on the screen already | 21:02 |
| zus | clicking it works (mouse clicks) | 21:02 |
| holstein | yeah, there are 2 modes | 21:02 |
| holstein | under 'misc' | 21:02 |
| holstein | you can change the user modes | 21:02 |
| holstein | BUT that will work for what we are doing | 21:02 |
| holstein | do you hear it zus ? | 21:03 |
| zus | how do i make it use qwerty? i prefer that over mouse, till i get the M-Audio midi contoller keybord thing? | 21:03 |
| holstein | yeah | 21:03 |
| holstein | change modes | 21:03 |
| holstein | under misc | 21:03 |
| zus | yeah it seems accurate as well as far as latency | 21:03 |
| holstein | to the advanced mode | 21:03 |
| holstein | and then open the Vkeyboard under 'instrument' | 21:03 |
| zus | mode changed to advanced | 21:03 |
| holstein | and after you click on the keyboard | 21:04 |
| holstein | you whould be able to use qwerty then | 21:04 |
| holstein | zus: you can change to the RT kernel | 21:04 |
| holstein | and mess with the settings | 21:04 |
| holstein | and get the latency down | 21:04 |
| holstein | and that will help with using soft synths | 21:04 |
| holstein | BUT | 21:04 |
| zus | holstein, ok qwerty works MUCH better than 3 days ago. | 21:04 |
| holstein | there will be a limitation with your onboard sound at some point | 21:05 |
| holstein | tweak all you want though | 21:05 |
| holstein | SO | 21:05 |
| zus | Q: | 21:06 |
| holstein | zus: yeah? | 21:06 |
| zus | i dont have to "disconnect" zyn everytime i want to add another program? | 21:06 |
| * holstein needs to get screenshots up on the wiki somewher | 21:06 | |
| holstein | e | 21:06 |
| holstein | zus: no | 21:06 |
| holstein | you dont want to stop and start JACK | 21:06 |
| holstein | AND say for example | 21:07 |
| holstein | you fire up rakarrack | 21:07 |
| holstein | which is a real-time guitar effects processor | 21:07 |
| zus | ??? :) | 21:07 |
| holstein | and you run zyn through it | 21:07 |
| holstein | and you close rakarrack | 21:07 |
| holstein | you wont hear zyn anymore | 21:07 |
| zus | i think i get that? | 21:08 |
| holstein | because it was being routed through rakarrack | 21:08 |
| holstein | and rakarrack is gone | 21:08 |
| zus | id have to "plug zyn back to jack" | 21:08 |
| holstein | you'll get it as you go | 21:08 |
| holstein | zus: exactly | 21:08 |
| holstein | back into your soundcards outs | 21:08 |
| holstein | directly | 21:08 |
| zus | like adding another pedal and missing a patch cable | 21:09 |
| holstein | yup | 21:09 |
| zus | to an existing effects chain. | 21:09 |
| holstein | the only limitation is your hardware and imagination really | 21:09 |
| * zus feels smart! | 21:09 | |
| holstein | and some MIDI is limitied i think still | 21:09 |
| zus | hardware will be a bit of a problem that and $$$ | 21:09 |
| holstein | but getting better all the time | 21:09 |
| holstein | zus: you can get around most hardware issues | 21:10 |
| zus | lmms sounds too nintendo for me sometimes lol | 21:10 |
| holstein | and you can slave off to other machines with JACK | 21:10 |
| holstein | netJACK or jacktrip | 21:10 |
| zus | can i plug in my bass and us "IT" as a controller? | 21:10 |
| holstein | in theory | 21:10 |
| holstein | you could have a lot of cheesy old p3's running on a network | 21:10 |
| holstein | and get some serious work done | 21:10 |
| holstein | zus: you can kindof do that | 21:11 |
| zus | "in theory" as to my Q on bass as a controller or the netjack/jacktrip? | 21:11 |
| holstein | in rakarrack | 21:11 |
| holstein | zus: i tried it with my bass | 21:11 |
| holstein | and it tracked pretty slowly | 21:11 |
| holstein | it worked great for synth pads | 21:11 |
| holstein | and there might be a different package that works better for that that im not aware of | 21:12 |
| holstein | but bascially, yeah | 21:12 |
| zus | sweet i'd much rather use my bass than the qwerty especially for them slow spacey ambient tracks | 21:12 |
| holstein | you can trigger MIDI with an anolog instrument | 21:12 |
| zus | i can "see" my notes faster on a bass or guitar than on a piano if that makes sense | 21:13 |
| holstein | i ask [lsd] any and all MIDI questions | 21:13 |
| holstein | even if he doesnt know | 21:13 |
| holstein | he knows where to look | 21:13 |
| zus | shiny, mouse, qwerty and a possibility to use my bass, poor mans set up. | 21:14 |
| holstein | with pro results too | 21:14 |
| holstein | if you want to use that RT kernel | 21:15 |
| holstein | you can read | 21:15 |
| holstein | !grub2 | 21:15 |
| ubottu | GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10. For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 | 21:15 |
| holstein | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 | 21:16 |
| holstein | i like this one better ^^^ | 21:16 |
| holstein | basically | 21:16 |
| holstein | you run sudo gedit /etc/default/grub | 21:17 |
| holstein | and change GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 | 21:17 |
| holstein | to | 21:17 |
| holstein | #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 | 21:17 |
| holstein | and GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 | 21:17 |
| zus | add the # | 21:17 |
| holstein | to GRUB_TIMEOUT=-1 | 21:17 |
| holstein | and you should see grub | 21:17 |
| holstein | and you get to choose the kernel | 21:18 |
| holstein | zus: you have to run sudo update-grub | 21:18 |
| holstein | after making those changes | 21:18 |
| holstein | this doesnt really change much though | 21:18 |
| holstein | just turns the timer off | 21:18 |
| holstein | and lets you see the menu | 21:18 |
| * zus is doing this now | 21:18 | |
| holstein | there are other more permanant ways to do it | 21:19 |
| holstein | i would suggest starting here | 21:19 |
| holstein | zus: when you get the RT kernel running | 21:19 |
| holstein | you can check that 'realtime' box | 21:19 |
| holstein | and tweak those settings | 21:19 |
| zus | this lets me see what options i have at boot | 21:19 |
| holstein | the GRUB_DEFAULT=0 | 21:20 |
| holstein | thats the one that would let you choose one as default | 21:20 |
| zus | how do i get the RT kernal? or at boot will i just have to "choose" the rt kernel to log in? | 21:20 |
| holstein | yeah | 21:20 |
| holstein | you just arrow down to it | 21:20 |
| holstein | and hit enter | 21:20 |
| zus | so it should be installed im just not booted into it? | 21:20 |
| holstein | AFAIK | 21:21 |
| holstein | if you installed linux-rt | 21:21 |
| holstein | that would do it | 21:21 |
| holstein | you'll see all your kernels at boot | 21:21 |
| holstein | if you made those changes | 21:21 |
| * holstein looking at my grub to make sure | 21:21 | |
| zus | so when booting into the kernel will all that i just did stay the same or because its a different kerenl then i'd have different settings? | 21:22 |
| holstein | zus: nah | 21:22 |
| holstein | it should be all the same | 21:22 |
| holstein | the trouble would be if one of your devices is supported by the generic kernel | 21:23 |
| holstein | and not the RT one | 21:23 |
| holstein | but that less likely now-a-days | 21:23 |
| zus | ok i changed my gedit . | 21:24 |
| holstein | dont forget to run | 21:25 |
| holstein | sudo update-grub | 21:25 |
| zus | i comment out the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 so its not "part of the file" and change the GRUB_TIMEOUT=-1 | 21:26 |
| holstein | that should do it | 21:26 |
| holstein | i had that on this box | 21:26 |
| holstein | til today | 21:26 |
| holstein | and i changed the GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 | 21:26 |
| holstein | so it would boot something if i leave it alone | 21:26 |
| zus | yeah lot of times i boot and grab foods so when i get back im at my password screen... i dont have to sit | 21:27 |
| zus | when i dualbooted anyways... | 21:27 |
| holstein | you dont have to wait that long to get to grub | 21:28 |
| holstein | and then you can come back and log in | 21:28 |
| holstein | if you decide the RT one is the one you want | 21:28 |
| holstein | we can make it more permanent | 21:28 |
| holstein | i usually keep 2 of each on my boxes | 21:28 |
| holstein | tat least | 21:28 |
| holstein | at least* | 21:29 |
| zus | as long as "#" is before a line i can bassically write anything anywhere correct? | 21:29 |
| holstein | AFAIK | 21:31 |
| holstein | # just means ignore this | 21:31 |
| zus | nice i wanted to write in what i changed for future - but i saved anyways, | 21:32 |
| zus | found linux image: /.....2.6.32-23 generic ........./.........2.6.31-11-rt | 21:33 |
| zus | holstein, earlier you mentioned i didnt want to start and stop jack???? (scrolling back) | 21:35 |
| holstein | well, you can | 21:35 |
| holstein | but once you start it | 21:35 |
| holstein | you kinda want to leave it running | 21:36 |
| holstein | if you close it | 21:36 |
| holstein | sometime you can reconnect the apps | 21:36 |
| holstein | and sometimes you have to relaunch them | 21:36 |
| zus | i see | 21:36 |
| holstein | there are managers | 21:36 |
| holstein | i want to say ladish is one? | 21:37 |
| zus | i do move round and drag this desktop EVERYWHERE | 21:37 |
| Conzeit | Hey all... | 21:37 |
| holstein | kxstudio has something like that | 21:37 |
| holstein | a jack session manager | 21:37 |
| holstein | but i havnet really gotten into it | 21:37 |
| holstein | hey Conzeit :) | 21:37 |
| zus | whats this kxstudio? ya mentioned it yersterday as well? | 21:37 |
| zus | hello Conzeit | 21:38 |
| holstein | its falktx's ubuntu based distro | 21:38 |
| Conzeit | hey zus....... | 21:38 |
| Conzeit | I have a quick question | 21:38 |
| Conzeit | I thought ubuntustudio Lucid wasnt ready so I installed regular lucid, can I use the ubuntustudio lucid iso to install it's programs on my regular lucid? | 21:38 |
| holstein | he's got a lot of cool stuff in there | 21:38 |
| holstein | Conzeit: sure | 21:38 |
| holstein | check out | 21:38 |
| holstein | !vanilla | 21:38 |
| ubottu | To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation | 21:38 |
| holstein | Conzeit: and also | 21:38 |
| Conzeit | cool, thanks. I have a xp dual boot....that wont get in the way will it? | 21:39 |
| holstein | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation | 21:39 |
| zus | lol i did that to, so along with ubuntustudio i have all the memenu and social crap hahah | 21:39 |
| holstein | Conzeit: shouldnt | 21:39 |
| holstein | Conzeit: i would | 21:39 |
| holstein | got to where ever you install packages from | 21:39 |
| Conzeit | heheh | 21:39 |
| holstein | synaptic or whatever | 21:39 |
| holstein | and search ubuntustudio | 21:39 |
| zus | synaptic packagemanager | 21:40 |
| holstein | the 'meta-packages' should be defined there | 21:40 |
| Conzeit | thanks guys | 21:40 |
| holstein | and you can read about them | 21:40 |
| holstein | and decide what you want to install | 21:40 |
| holstein | sudo apt-cache search ubuntustudio | 21:40 |
| holstein | or the software center | 21:40 |
| holstein | you should get the same end result | 21:40 |
| zus | Conzeit, grab the "linux-rt" (no quotes) it wasnt highlighted when i grabbed my packages for me | 21:41 |
| holstein | yeah, you can try the genercic one too though | 21:41 |
| holstein | and move tot he real-time one whenever you want | 21:42 |
| holstein | Conzeit: are you interested in audio or video? | 21:42 |
| holstein | graphics? | 21:42 |
| Conzeit | mostly graphics | 21:42 |
| holstein | Conzeit: so for you | 21:43 |
| holstein | i would read the package explanations | 21:43 |
| holstein | the buld of the packages are for audio | 21:43 |
| holstein | bulk* | 21:43 |
| * zus has a foot in all three in real life, so the computer made it easier for him to work and chose all three | 21:43 | |
| Conzeit | I still want to dabble in audio though, so I'll install everything first, and then see what I'm defintively not using and remove that | 21:44 |
| Conzeit | but thx | 21:44 |
| holstein | Conzeit: :) | 21:45 |
| holstein | let us know how it goes | 21:45 |
| Conzeit | I will =) | 21:45 |
| zus | holstein, i'd add effects to the instruments then through the 8th screenshot down, in jack? | 21:45 |
| holstein | http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/ | 21:45 |
| Conzeit | ah. gotta love open source...I dont think a windows support asshole would say something like that :p | 21:45 |
| holstein | cool podshoe for the audio side ^^ | 21:46 |
| holstein | Conzeit: lol | 21:46 |
| * holstein looking zus | 21:46 | |
| holstein | zus: yeah | 21:46 |
| holstein | thats where you would run something like jackrack | 21:47 |
| holstein | and route however you want | 21:47 |
| holstein | you can route physical inputs into an effect running in jackrack | 21:47 |
| holstein | or rakarrack | 21:47 |
| holstein | OR midi synths | 21:48 |
| holstein | or whatever | 21:48 |
| holstein | and run them out to other things | 21:48 |
| holstein | or to the output | 21:48 |
| holstein | or to ardour ro record it | 21:48 |
| holstein | to* | 21:48 |
| zus | now we have 2 mics and a 4 channel radioshack (poor lol) mixer | 21:48 |
| holstein | zus: thats a good start | 21:48 |
| holstein | do what you can with what you got, i say | 21:49 |
| holstein | then you'll find out what gear you really need | 21:49 |
| zus | were going to be doing voice overs for some video, so i wanna learn how to set up at least the mic and 4ch mixer | 21:49 |
| zus | holstein, how much paitience you've left, i mean time hahahha | 21:50 |
| holstein | im good for now | 21:52 |
| holstein | whacha got zus ? | 21:52 |
| holstein | OK | 21:52 |
| holstein | so you got 1/8 inch input on your sound card probably | 21:52 |
| zus | brb i got to grab the mic and 4ch mix | 21:52 |
| holstein | and 1/4" outs on the mixer | 21:52 |
| zus | yeah its the tiny ones | 21:52 |
| holstein | you gotta go back the the radio shack and get a cable | 21:53 |
| zus | yep i also have a 1/8 to 1/4 adaptor | 21:53 |
| holstein | you want to go from the outputs of the mixer | 21:53 |
| holstein | to the input on your soundcard | 21:53 |
| holstein | this is going ot be the weak part of your set up | 21:54 |
| holstein | you'll probably get a little 'hum' or 'buzz' | 21:54 |
| holstein | but still | 21:54 |
| holstein | its a good start | 21:54 |
| holstein | SO | 21:54 |
| holstein | tell me what mixer that is? | 21:54 |
| zus | im here un tieing knots | 21:56 |
| zus | radio shack 4 chn stereo mixer | 21:56 |
| holstein | http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102920 | 21:57 |
| holstein | ?? | 21:57 |
| zus | one sec, 32-2056 is the No. | 21:58 |
| zus | i have to use the mic input on my sound card | 21:59 |
| holstein | you might | 21:59 |
| holstein | you'll have to just mess around | 21:59 |
| holstein | and figure out what works best | 21:59 |
| zus | the set is that way... | 21:59 |
| holstein | the line-in would be preferable | 21:59 |
| zus | lol hmmm | 22:00 |
| * zus agrees | 22:00 | |
| holstein | you should | 22:00 |
| holstein | in theory | 22:00 |
| holstein | use the line-out on your mixer | 22:00 |
| holstein | into the line-in | 22:01 |
| zus | ok, then im set | 22:01 |
| holstein | and boost the signal with the radio shack mixer | 22:01 |
| holstein | then, it should be stereo | 22:01 |
| holstein | which for your purposes just means 2 track | 22:01 |
| holstein | so you can record 2 seperate tracks at once if you want | 22:02 |
| * holstein gotta make a call | 22:02 | |
| zus | the line in is a dot with waves on the sound card yeah? | 22:02 |
| zus | ok | 22:02 |
| holstein | zus: what sound card? | 22:02 |
| holstein | i think they are usually black? | 22:02 |
| holstein | pink is mic | 22:02 |
| holstein | and green is output | 22:03 |
| holstein | maybe | 22:03 |
| zus | blue | 22:03 |
| holstein | doesnt have to be like that | 22:03 |
| holstein | hmmmm | 22:03 |
| * zus looks in the back of his machine | 22:03 | |
| holstein | i would google it just to be sure | 22:03 |
| holstein | but i bet thats it | 22:03 |
| holstein | OK im back | 22:05 |
| zus | its blue | 22:05 |
| holstein | i double booked myself friday | 22:05 |
| holstein | and had to get a sub | 22:05 |
| holstein | its sorted :) | 22:06 |
| holstein | OK | 22:06 |
| zus | the back has the same as the front BUT its written line in on the back not the front | 22:06 |
| holstein | yeah | 22:06 |
| holstein | id go for the back one | 22:06 |
| holstein | again, you'll have to just mess around with it | 22:06 |
| holstein | and run alsamixer | 22:06 |
| holstein | and make sure everything is turned up | 22:07 |
| zus | from term? | 22:07 |
| holstein | yeah | 22:07 |
| holstein | but | 22:07 |
| holstein | lets just try it first | 22:07 |
| holstein | what are the outputs on the mixer? | 22:07 |
| holstein | RCA? | 22:07 |
| holstein | 1/4 inch? | 22:07 |
| zus | rcs red/white (left/right) to 1/8 plug | 22:07 |
| holstein | OK | 22:08 |
| holstein | that should do it | 22:08 |
| holstein | in theory | 22:08 |
| holstein | you plug that in | 22:08 |
| holstein | and connect the system ins to the outs | 22:08 |
| holstein | in JACK | 22:08 |
| holstein | and you should hear whatever is runing through the mixer | 22:08 |
| zus | minc into chn 1 mixer output into line in,... | 22:08 |
| holstein | yup | 22:09 |
| zus | i dont see nothing in jack except zyn | 22:09 |
| holstein | your in the audio tab ? | 22:09 |
| holstein | you dont see what you saw before? | 22:09 |
| holstein | 15:55 < zus> i got capture _1 an capture_2 on left | 22:10 |
| holstein | 15:56 < zus> playback _1-8 on right | 22:10 |
| zus | well pluggin in the mixer changed nothing is what i mean | 22:10 |
| zus | card: HDA intel chip: Realtek ALC882 | 22:11 |
| holstein | SO the thing you plugged your mixer into | 22:11 |
| holstein | that should be caputer | 22:11 |
| holstein | capture* | 22:11 |
| holstein | on the left side | 22:11 |
| zus | oh wait | 22:11 |
| holstein | and the outs are whatever you were plugging zyn into | 22:11 |
| zus | + wasnot - | 22:11 |
| holstein | the 'playback' ones | 22:11 |
| zus | i think i got it | 22:12 |
| holstein | :) | 22:12 |
| holstein | you hear it? | 22:12 |
| zus | system capture_1 and capture_2 are not connected to playback_3 and playback_4 | 22:12 |
| holstein | playback 1 and 2 | 22:13 |
| holstein | should be the ones | 22:13 |
| holstein | you were hearding zyn | 22:13 |
| holstein | hearing* | 22:13 |
| zus | i hear zyn | 22:13 |
| holstein | so wherever you plugged zyn | 22:13 |
| holstein | thats where you plug capture 1 and 2 | 22:13 |
| holstein | we know the 'out' is working | 22:14 |
| holstein | and located | 22:14 |
| holstein | we dont konw about the physcial input yet though | 22:14 |
| holstein | SO | 22:14 |
| holstein | you have capture 1 routed to playback 1 ? | 22:15 |
| holstein | and capture 2 routed to playback 2? | 22:15 |
| holstein | and you dont hear the mic? | 22:15 |
| zus | what did i have to do in the alsa mixer? | 22:15 |
| zus | nope | 22:16 |
| holstein | hmmm | 22:16 |
| holstein | lets look at it | 22:16 |
| holstein | run alsa mixer | 22:16 |
| holstein | OOPS | 22:16 |
| holstein | alsamixer | 22:16 |
| zus | line was turned down | 22:16 |
| holstein | push F5 too | 22:16 |
| holstein | that should show everything | 22:16 |
| holstein | did that do it zus ? | 22:17 |
| holstein | do you hear anything yet? | 22:17 |
| zus | one sec | 22:17 |
| zus | i think im only good on playback_1 n 2 | 22:17 |
| holstein | zus: thats normal | 22:17 |
| holstein | could be a surround sound card | 22:17 |
| holstein | or something | 22:17 |
| holstein | OR alsa coule think its a surround sound card | 22:18 |
| holstein | you really just need playback 1 and 2 | 22:18 |
| holstein | and they seem to be working | 22:18 |
| zus | nothing yet i. one sec | 22:19 |
| holstein | hmmm | 22:19 |
| zus | poop lol this plug isnt good | 22:20 |
| zus | sorry | 22:20 |
| zus | brb | 22:20 |
| zus | ok i will get this to work lol | 22:23 |
| holstein | hey, the hard part is over really | 22:23 |
| zus | how do i then connect more than one item then if i only can use playback_1 and 2_ | 22:24 |
| holstein | the rest is just experimenting til you get a do-able set-up | 22:24 |
| holstein | zus: you just make the connection in JACK | 22:24 |
| holstein | in the 'connect' window | 22:24 |
| zus | can i route them all to playback_1 and_2? | 22:25 |
| holstein | just drage a line between whatever you want to 'plug in' | 22:25 |
| holstein | yup | 22:25 |
| holstein | you can route as much as your hardware will alow | 22:25 |
| holstein | allow* | 22:25 |
| zus | ahhh | 22:25 |
| * zus thought only one per playback | 22:26 | |
| zus | that changes everything lol | 22:26 |
| holstein | nah | 22:28 |
| holstein | you can do whatever you want in there | 22:28 |
| holstein | JACK is great | 22:28 |
| zus | zyn is back up but this mixer isnt on, i think its this plug. | 22:30 |
| holstein | could be | 22:32 |
| holstein | you could try it somewhere else to test | 22:32 |
| holstein | headphone out of something into ta stereo | 22:33 |
| zus | im using headphones now actually | 22:33 |
| zus | i used http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4lKpYXmwIA at some point shell get into making connections by hitting tab. 3:04 into the vid | 22:34 |
| holstein | yeah | 22:36 |
| holstein | i highlight what i want | 22:36 |
| holstein | and do ctrlC | 22:36 |
| holstein | maybe its alt-C | 22:36 |
| holstein | and you might get into patchage | 22:37 |
| zus | /me really wishes he had reason on linux :) | 22:37 |
| holstein | or some of the other JACK gui frontends | 22:37 |
| holstein | guitarman really likes patchage | 22:37 |
| holstein | zus: heh | 22:38 |
| holstein | e | 22:38 |
| holstein | you got reason functionality :) | 22:38 |
| zus | just realized how that sounded hahah | 22:41 |
| zus | uhh-oh | 22:46 |
| zus | i think i may have found a solution | 22:46 |
| holstein | cool | 22:48 |
| zus | but not working, i went in system prefrences sound and changed to line in and still nothing | 22:48 |
| holstein | yeah | 22:49 |
| holstein | thats going to be for pulse | 22:49 |
| holstein | those settings | 22:49 |
| holstein | try the other physical inputs | 22:49 |
| holstein | on the computer first | 22:49 |
| holstein | then you could go to google with you card and see whats there | 22:50 |
| zus | shiny | 22:51 |
| zus | holstein thank you for getting me through the hard part.... | 22:51 |
| zus | is there a link on getting ardour configured and working for newbies? | 22:51 |
| * zus would like to record open mic nights at this one spot.... | 22:52 | |
| holstein | hmmm | 22:52 |
| holstein | #opensourcemusicians man | 22:52 |
| holstein | thats the best place really | 22:52 |
| holstein | it gets easier | 22:52 |
| holstein | just fire it up | 22:52 |
| holstein | and start asking questions | 22:52 |
| holstein | #ardour is great too really | 22:52 |
| zus | thanks again mate, this got me going tons | 22:53 |
| holstein | i'll talk you through that eoo as some point :) | 22:53 |
| holstein | zus: anytime | 22:53 |
| zus | eoo? | 22:53 |
| holstein | lol | 22:54 |
| holstein | too* | 22:54 |
| holstein | i'll talk you through that too at some point *** | 22:54 |
| zus | well would you look at this!!! | 22:54 |
| * holstein is on a new keyboard | 22:54 | |
| zus | "front line" vol=0 | 22:54 |
| holstein | and im a mediocre typist anyways ;) | 22:54 |
| zus | now flipping wonder | 22:55 |
| holstein | zus: where is that though ? | 22:55 |
| holstein | is that in alsamixer? | 22:55 |
| zus | brb...terminal alsamixer its still open | 22:55 |
| zus | i had hit f5 but didnt scroll far enough | 22:55 |
| holstein | AH | 22:55 |
| holstein | that could be it | 22:55 |
| zus | lets hope , cuz then both lines are now open and working ....wonders why the spdif and the 5.1 sound wasnt working is rooted in here as well? | 22:56 |
| holstein | should be | 22:56 |
| holstein | but it doenst have to be | 22:56 |
| holstein | alsa just had to do what it can | 22:56 |
| holstein | with whatever drivers it has | 22:57 |
| holstein | and sometimes it works great | 22:57 |
| holstein | sometimes, you lose something | 22:57 |
| zus | the 5.1 speakers have a 3way plug that never worked,...even in windows hehe | 22:57 |
| zus | i dont knwo where to begin on the terminal alsa mixer lol what keyboard you get? | 23:03 |
| zus | i shouldn't run this through the sound cards mic? | 23:04 |
| holstein | you can try it | 23:05 |
| holstein | i would try all the inputs | 23:05 |
| holstein | til i heard some noise | 23:05 |
| holstein | try and identify whats what | 23:05 |
| holstein | the labels dont have to be anywhere near right | 23:06 |
| * zus jumps up EUREKA! | 23:10 | |
| holstein | zus: w00t :) | 23:10 |
| zus | alsamixer from terminal f5 for all arrow FAR left to the last 3 empty slots they siaid mic input source, i arrowed up it came on | 23:11 |
| holstein | cool :) | 23:14 |
| holstein | they are often mis labled | 23:14 |
| zus | one more thing, how do i adjust the volume for the mic so its not louder than the zyn? | 23:14 |
| holstein | thats would be near impossible to keep up with and get right | 23:14 |
| holstein | hmmm | 23:15 |
| holstein | zus: zyn has volume | 23:15 |
| zus | or aside from the mixer...i mean in the os itself maybe? | 23:15 |
| holstein | but there is a mixer for jack | 23:15 |
| holstein | pipeman was talking about it | 23:15 |
| holstein | i forget what its called | 23:15 |
| zus | ya said the gui was more for pulse.... | 23:15 |
| holstein | yeah | 23:16 |
| holstein | you'd want jack-mixer or whatever its called | 23:16 |
| holstein | might be a kstudio specific thing though | 23:16 |
| holstein | in falktx's PPA | 23:16 |
| zus | if i grabbed that ppa it'll change my ubuntustudio set up? | 23:16 |
| holstein | some | 23:17 |
| holstein | id wait | 23:17 |
| holstein | and see what you need | 23:17 |
| holstein | you can really jank your install with it | 23:17 |
| holstein | and its really meant to run with KDE | 23:17 |
| holstein | well, he used KDE to design ksxtudio | 23:18 |
| holstein | and some of it is a little fiddly in gnome | 23:18 |
| zus | omg this would be friggin shiny! | 23:18 |
| zus | i do enjoy KDE much better than gnome.. | 23:19 |
| holstein | OH yeah | 23:19 |
| holstein | in that case you might want to consider using kxstudio | 23:19 |
| zus | i was on ubuntu from karmic till a month before lucid, when i switched to kde. gnome was simple but it lacked somethings i wanted in an os if i can grab dolphin into gnome i might feel better about my pc | 23:21 |
| zus | if i get to where i spin my own distro i'd love to see a decent hybrid | 23:21 |
| zus | there somethings one does the other dont and vice versea, im more after getting it all than "oh my i have kde libs in my gnome" for one i like kden live and ktorrent lol i used them when i first began using linux/ubuntu | 23:23 |
| holstein | i really like LXDE | 23:24 |
| holstein | not really filling that inbetween niche market though | 23:24 |
| zus | LXDE? | 23:24 |
| holstein | http://lxde.org/ | 23:25 |
| holstein | theres a lubuntu | 23:25 |
| holstein | unofficial AFAIK | 23:25 |
| zus | i have my mixer at 8 on the slider got it down to 4 so its an even balance between hearing myself and the me in the headphones....at this point i no longer need alsa open in terminal right? | 23:27 |
| zus | as far as my os goes, im going to say im pretty bloated.... | 23:27 |
| zus | my root is on a 40 hdd, dont know how much i used, but i got a lot of stuffs. | 23:28 |
| holstein | yeah, you can just run alsamixer as-needed | 23:30 |
| zus | i was playing around here and on the capture i raised it and i heard me even louder and clearer... should that go up as well or leave the capture to 0 | 23:34 |
| zus | i think i understand this mixer , the capture is for the input source.... thats how i can lower the slider on the mixer by raising that. | 23:35 |
| holstein | you really just have to play around with them | 23:38 |
| zus | nvm lol if you touch the desk the vibration gets picked up,.. ( | 23:38 |
| zus | thanks man i appritiate all the help | 23:38 |
| holstein | thers going to be a point when you'll get distortion | 23:38 |
| holstein | you might be able to tweak then input settings and get it cleaner | 23:38 |
| zus | seems at this point its up to me to play "soundman" | 23:38 |
| holstein | yeah | 23:38 |
| zus | i dont want to blow my speakers | 23:39 |
| holstein | and just get used to your gear | 23:39 |
| zus | my broteher uses this mixer and mic in his laptop and now has terrible feedback when just trying to use youtube | 23:39 |
| holstein | is that in windows? | 23:39 |
| zus | aye | 23:39 |
| holstein | you can go to the mixer and tunr off the monitoring | 23:39 |
| holstein | its feeding back on itself | 23:40 |
| holstein | if its xp | 23:40 |
| holstein | theres a recording mixer | 23:40 |
| holstein | and playback mixer | 23:40 |
| zus | im the ony linux in the network...in my town as far as i know | 23:40 |
| holstein | and you should be able to mute it in the playback side | 23:40 |
| zus | its win7 | 23:40 |
| holstein | hmmm | 23:40 |
| holstein | its similar in there | 23:40 |
| holstein | but i forget the lingo | 23:41 |
| zus | i guess i can deal with the mixer on 8 | 23:41 |
| zus | one sec | 23:41 |
| zus | he said he got it fixed, lol | 23:46 |
| zus | i should b good with this mic set up beyond ubuntustudio then? i mean maybe for skype calls our audio voice overs for screencasts? | 23:46 |
| holstein | zus: in theory | 23:50 |
| holstein | you dont want to be doing that with JACK though | 23:50 |
| holstein | totally do-able though | 23:50 |
| zus | thats what i mean | 23:50 |
| zus | thanks,.. | 23:53 |
| conzeit | hi again =o I was here a little while ago, asking wether I could upgrade from vanilla lucid to studio lucid...now I did =) | 23:57 |
| zus | conzeit, you got it all done? | 23:58 |
| conzeit | I think I did...I mean I just left terminal running and now terminal is showing me a "package configuration" dialog that configures jackd | 23:59 |
| conzeit | I'm trying to ok it but dont know how...I just migrated from XP :p | 23:59 |
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