[06:38] <zus> holstein, ping
[15:42] <bluenode_> hi
[15:42] <bluenode_> the 10.04 is better than 8.04 from user perspective
[15:42] <bluenode_> more friendly.
[15:43] <bluenode_> wacom works out of the box!
[16:05] <ExiledMicrobe> Ok, so after reading what I can I am no closer to sorting out PulseAudio/Alsa and Jack.  It all seems to conflict, which means I am doing something wrong.  But I cant work out what.
[16:05] <ExiledMicrobe> Any experts on here that can give me any pointers?
[16:06] <straypacket> answer:  kxstudio distro :)
[16:06] <ExiledMicrobe> sorry?
[16:06] <straypacket> kxstudio comes with pulse/jack integration enabled.
[16:07] <straypacket> it's a derivative of kubuntu
[16:08] <straypacket> you could study the packages it includes, or talk to irc user falktx in #kxstudio or #opensourcemusicians.   falktx put together kxstudio
[16:09] <ExiledMicrobe> ok thanks.
[16:10] <straypacket> np
[16:12]  * Blank__ is another convert from ubuntu studio to kxstudio
[16:13] <ExiledMicrobe> Is it safe to upgrade it over ubuntu studio, even though I upgraded to 10.04 from 9.10 and 9.04 before that.  A fresh install would be a drag...
[16:16] <ExiledMicrobe> Well, it seems harmless enough process, I will try and find out...
[16:18] <Blank__> ExiledMicrobe, probably not... i tried something similar and messed up a few things
[16:18] <Blank__> and it messed up*
[16:19] <Blank__> i had to format
[16:38] <ExiledMicrobe> yes well installing that is going to be a shit
[16:38] <ExiledMicrobe> hmmmm
[20:24] <holstein> zus: ping
[20:24] <holstein> lets do it over here
[20:24] <zus> holstein,  pong
[20:25] <holstein> in case someone wants to look at the logs or something
[20:25] <holstein> zus: so have you ran JACK at all?
[20:25] <zus> i must warn you.... i think i a few things to get a program or two to work, but beyond that... it's still default
[20:25] <holstein> thats cool
[20:25] <holstein> SO
[20:26] <holstein> you have JACK installed right?
[20:26] <holstein> this is an ubuntustudio install?
[20:26] <zus> ubuntustudio over lucid lynx 10.04
[20:27] <holstein> OK
[20:27] <holstein> in the menu
[20:27] <zus> ive got jack control, jackbeat, jackeq, jackrack...
[20:28] <holstein> applications - sound and video - jack control
[20:28] <holstein> start jack control
[20:28] <kernel_geek> holstein: Netjack ?
[20:28] <holstein> kernel_geek: just plain old JACK
[20:28] <zus> ok
[20:28] <kernel_geek> holstein: oh...
[20:28] <holstein> we've been talking about getting it running on zus 's box for a while
[20:28] <kernel_geek> holstein: Whats the issues ?
[20:29] <zus> kernel_geek,  "Newbie"
[20:29] <zus> lol
[20:29] <holstein> zus: go to http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[20:29] <kernel_geek> ahahh k lolz
[20:29] <holstein> so we can talk about these screenshots
[20:29] <holstein> and i know we are looking at the same thing
[20:29] <zus> opening up now
[20:29] <holstein> the first screenshot
[20:29] <holstein> thats what you should see
[20:30] <holstein> when you launch jack control
[20:30] <holstein> your going to click 'setup'
[20:30] <holstein> and you should see the second screenshot
[20:31] <holstein> zus: do you have a realtime kernel installed?
[20:31] <zus> i should
[20:31] <holstein> nah
[20:31] <holstein> you dont have to
[20:31] <holstein> try it with the generic one first
[20:31] <holstein> and get the RT one if you need
[20:31] <holstein> SO
[20:31] <zus> i grabbed all the packages from the synaptic
[20:31] <zus> linux -rt
[20:31] <holstein> OH
[20:31] <holstein> ok
[20:32] <holstein> open a terminal
[20:32] <holstein> and run
[20:32] <holstein> uname -a
[20:32] <holstein> you can paste that here
[20:32] <holstein> it shouldnt be much
[20:32] <zus> but when i boot up i only get a black screen with a flashing _ for a few seconds before the ubuntustudio splash highlights ubu
[20:32] <holstein> we can sort that out too
[20:33] <zus> 2.6.32-23-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 11 07:54:58 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[20:33] <holstein> OK
[20:33] <holstein> SO look at the setup window
[20:33] <holstein> thats the second screenshot on that link
[20:34] <holstein> on the left, there is a realtime checkbox
[20:34] <holstein> untick that box
[20:34] <holstein> if it is ticked
[20:34] <zus> it was, and done
[20:34] <holstein> zus: this is your internal soundcard right?
[20:34] <holstein> that you're using?
[20:35] <zus> aye. i have no sound or video card installed other than what the motherboard provide
[20:35] <holstein> SO the also driver should already be selected
[20:35] <holstein> and that is the one you want
[20:35] <holstein> AND most other setting should 'just work'
[20:36] <holstein> there are 2 settings that we 'tweak' a lot
[20:36] <zus> top right?, under the delete button?
[20:36] <holstein> zus: yeah, that the driver selection drop-down menu
[20:36] <holstein> you can click it and look in there
[20:36] <zus> ok alsa. is already displayed
[20:36] <holstein> you should see 'firewire' 'OSS' maybe
[20:37] <holstein> i forget what all is in there
[20:37] <holstein> BUT, yeah, alsa is what you want
[20:37] <holstein> SO
[20:37] <holstein> the setting we mess with are
[20:37] <holstein> frames/period
[20:37] <holstein> and periods/uffer
[20:37] <holstein> and periods/buffer*
[20:37] <holstein> zus: down in the bottom right
[20:37] <holstein> you see latency
[20:38] <zus> latency is at 5.8msec
[20:38] <holstein> yeah
[20:38] <zus> frames/period is at 128
[20:38] <holstein> tweaking the settings above
[20:38] <holstein> will change that
[20:38] <holstein> lets set frames/period to 256
[20:38] <zus> period buffer is greyed out for me
[20:39] <holstein> zus: interesting
[20:39] <holstein> does it say 2?
[20:39] <holstein> zus: what is your samplerate set to?
[20:39] <zus>  ok changing frames/period,      released periods/buffer
[20:39] <holstein> that effects the latency too
[20:40] <zus> latency is now at 11.6msec
[20:40] <holstein> you probably want 44.1 for sample rate
[20:40] <holstein> if its not already set to that
[20:40] <holstein> 441000
[20:41] <zus> frames/period 256, periods/buffer 2, latency 11.6 sample rate 44100...
[20:41] <holstein> OK
[20:41] <holstein> lest go with that for now
[20:41] <holstein> actually
[20:41] <holstein> since we dont have a RT kernel
[20:41] <holstein> lets do frames/period 512
[20:42] <holstein> whats the latency now?
[20:45] <zus> latency is 23.2msec
[20:45] <holstein> OK
[20:45] <holstein> lest try that then
[20:45] <holstein> open a terminal
[20:45] <holstein> and add yourself to the audio group
[20:46] <holstein> run sudo adduser YOURUSERNAME audio
[20:46] <zus> i believe i have done so through the menu
[20:46] <holstein> OK
[20:46] <holstein> good
[20:46] <holstein> SO on the setup window
[20:46] <holstein> click 'OK'
[20:46] <holstein> and close that
[20:46] <zus> how do i double check to see if i am already in the audio group?
[20:47] <holstein> you can run that command
[20:47] <holstein> sudo addusuer you audio
[20:47] <holstein> and it will say 'you are already a member'
[20:47] <holstein> or nothing if it does it
[20:47] <zus> one sec, it cant hurt...
[20:47] <holstein> yeah
[20:48] <zus> done i was already a member.
[20:48] <holstein> cool
[20:48] <holstein> so go back to the main JACK window
[20:49] <holstein> screenshot 1
[20:49] <holstein> and hit start
[20:49] <zus> (for the video group same as well just change audio to video?)
[20:49] <holstein> sure
[20:49] <holstein> you'll NEED to do that to get access to firewire devices
[20:49] <zus> ok start on jack got ya...(ill ask video questions after)
[20:50] <holstein> you see on that screenshot
[20:50] <holstein> it says 'running'
[20:50] <holstein> or 'started'
[20:50] <holstein> something like that
[20:50] <holstein> if its not running
[20:50] <holstein> you'll get errors
[20:51] <holstein> in a messages window that will pop up
[20:51] <zus> yeah on the screenshot and on my jack it says "started"
[20:51] <holstein> sweet
[20:51] <holstein> SO your running JACK
[20:51] <holstein> :)
[20:51] <holstein> SO
[20:51] <holstein> on the main window
[20:51] <holstein> theres a button 'connect'
[20:51] <holstein> click on that
[20:52] <zus> (only thing different now is there are -- instead of the RT )
[20:52] <holstein> 8 screenshots down on that page
[20:52] <holstein> thats what youd should see
[20:52] <holstein> when you click 'connect'
[20:52] <holstein> this is where the magic happens
[20:52] <holstein> theres probably 3 tabs
[20:53] <holstein> audio MIDI and alsa
[20:53] <holstein> the audio tab is where you make connections
[20:53] <holstein> you should see your sound cards physical inputs on the left side
[20:53] <holstein> and the sound cars outputs on the right
[20:53] <zus> like hooking up different programs?, hydrogen, gtick?...
[20:53] <holstein> yup
[20:54] <holstein> different programs, or physical inputs, or synths
[20:54] <holstein> whatever JACK can see and use
[20:54] <holstein> you can connect in here
[20:54] <zus> so far only system is there left has a red icon and right has a green icon
[20:54] <holstein> theres a little '+' sign?
[20:55] <holstein> right?
[20:55] <holstein> click that to expand that 'section'
[20:55] <zus> ( like the back of an actuall rack/mixer)  yep there is a toggle "+"
[20:55] <holstein> you'll see that toggle on programs too
[20:55] <zus> i got capture _1 an capture_2 on left
[20:56] <zus> playback _1-8 on right
[20:56] <holstein> that seems correct :)
[20:57] <holstein> thats the deal
[20:57] <holstein> you can launch something like zynaddsubfx
[20:57] <holstein> or hydrogen
[20:57] <holstein> or whatever
[20:57] <holstein> and start playing around
[20:57] <zus> ill do zynaddsubfx.... had a problem with it before
[20:57] <holstein> it is a problem :/
[20:58] <holstein> but it will make a sound
[20:58] <holstein> open it
[20:58] <holstein> and go back to the connections window
[20:58] <zus> its open -
[20:58] <holstein> and you'll see it
[20:58] <zus> yep.
[20:58] <holstein> it may have automatically connected
[20:58] <holstein> if not
[20:58] <zus> with red lines going to the right
[20:58] <holstein> find its outs on the left
[20:58] <holstein> and connect them to the ins on the right
[20:59] <zus> out_1 and out_2
[20:59] <holstein> for your sound cards outputs
[20:59] <holstein> yeah
[20:59] <holstein> outs on the left
[20:59] <holstein> to ins on the right
[20:59] <holstein> *
[20:59] <zus> playback _1 and playback_2 (has red lines connecting them)
[20:59] <holstein> then, go back to zyn
[20:59] <holstein> and in the menu
[21:00] <holstein> under 'intrument'
[21:00] <holstein> do 'vitual keyboard'
[21:00] <holstein> virtual*
[21:00] <holstein> and you can click on the little keyboard
[21:00] <holstein> or use your qwerty keyboard
[21:00] <holstein> and you *should* hear it
[21:01] <zus> on zyn i see up top
[21:01] <zus> file instrument Misc
[21:01] <holstein> OH
[21:01] <holstein> yeah
[21:01] <holstein> instrument
[21:01] <zus> wiat i see a keyboard though
[21:02] <holstein> unless you see a keyboard on the screen already
[21:02] <zus> clicking it works (mouse clicks)
[21:02] <holstein> yeah, there are 2 modes
[21:02] <holstein> under 'misc'
[21:02] <holstein> you can change the user modes
[21:02] <holstein> BUT that will work for what we are doing
[21:03] <holstein> do you hear it zus ?
[21:03] <zus> how do i make it use qwerty? i prefer that over mouse, till i get the M-Audio midi contoller keybord thing?
[21:03] <holstein> yeah
[21:03] <holstein> change modes
[21:03] <holstein> under misc
[21:03] <zus> yeah it seems accurate as well as far as latency
[21:03] <holstein> to the advanced mode
[21:03] <holstein> and then open the Vkeyboard under 'instrument'
[21:03] <zus> mode changed to advanced
[21:04] <holstein> and after you click on the keyboard
[21:04] <holstein> you whould be able to use qwerty then
[21:04] <holstein> zus: you can change to the RT kernel
[21:04] <holstein> and mess with the settings
[21:04] <holstein> and get the latency down
[21:04] <holstein> and that will help with using soft synths
[21:04] <holstein> BUT
[21:04] <zus> holstein,  ok qwerty works MUCH better than 3 days ago.
[21:05] <holstein> there will be a limitation with your onboard sound at some point
[21:05] <holstein> tweak all you want though
[21:05] <holstein> SO
[21:06] <zus> Q:
[21:06] <holstein> zus: yeah?
[21:06] <zus> i dont have to "disconnect" zyn everytime i want to add another program?
[21:06]  * holstein needs to get screenshots up on the wiki somewher
[21:06] <holstein> e
[21:06] <holstein> zus: no
[21:06] <holstein> you dont want to stop and start JACK
[21:07] <holstein> AND say for example
[21:07] <holstein> you fire up rakarrack
[21:07] <holstein> which is a real-time guitar effects processor
[21:07] <zus> ??? :)
[21:07] <holstein> and you run zyn through it
[21:07] <holstein> and you close rakarrack
[21:07] <holstein> you wont hear zyn anymore
[21:08] <zus> i think i get that?
[21:08] <holstein> because it was being routed through rakarrack
[21:08] <holstein> and rakarrack is gone
[21:08] <zus> id have to "plug zyn back to jack"
[21:08] <holstein> you'll get it as you go
[21:08] <holstein> zus: exactly
[21:08] <holstein> back into your soundcards outs
[21:08] <holstein> directly
[21:09] <zus> like adding another pedal and missing a patch cable
[21:09] <holstein> yup
[21:09] <zus> to an existing effects chain.
[21:09] <holstein> the only limitation is your hardware and imagination really
[21:09]  * zus feels smart!
[21:09] <holstein> and some MIDI is limitied i think still
[21:09] <zus> hardware will be a bit of a problem that and $$$
[21:09] <holstein> but getting better all the time
[21:10] <holstein> zus: you can get around most hardware issues
[21:10] <zus> lmms sounds too nintendo for me sometimes lol
[21:10] <holstein> and you can slave off to other machines with JACK
[21:10] <holstein> netJACK or jacktrip
[21:10] <zus> can i plug in my bass and us "IT" as a controller?
[21:10] <holstein> in theory
[21:10] <holstein> you could have a lot of cheesy old p3's running on a network
[21:10] <holstein> and get some serious work done
[21:11] <holstein> zus: you can kindof do that
[21:11] <zus> "in theory" as to my Q on bass as a controller or the netjack/jacktrip?
[21:11] <holstein> in rakarrack
[21:11] <holstein> zus: i tried it with my bass
[21:11] <holstein> and it tracked pretty slowly
[21:11] <holstein> it worked great for synth pads
[21:12] <holstein> and there might be a different package that works better for that that im not aware of
[21:12] <holstein> but bascially, yeah
[21:12] <zus> sweet i'd much rather use my bass than the qwerty especially for them slow spacey ambient tracks
[21:12] <holstein> you can trigger MIDI with an anolog instrument
[21:13] <zus> i can "see" my notes faster on a bass or guitar than on a piano if that makes sense
[21:13] <holstein> i ask [lsd] any and all MIDI questions
[21:13] <holstein> even if he doesnt know
[21:13] <holstein> he knows where to look
[21:14] <zus> shiny, mouse, qwerty and a possibility to use my bass, poor mans set up.
[21:14] <holstein> with pro results too
[21:15] <holstein> if you want to use that RT kernel
[21:15] <holstein> you can read
[21:15] <holstein> !grub2
[21:16] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[21:16] <holstein> i like this one better ^^^
[21:16] <holstein> basically
[21:17] <holstein> you run sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[21:17] <holstein> and change GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[21:17] <holstein> to
[21:17] <holstein> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[21:17] <holstein> and GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[21:17] <zus> add the #
[21:17] <holstein> to GRUB_TIMEOUT=-1
[21:17] <holstein> and you should see grub
[21:18] <holstein> and you get to choose the kernel
[21:18] <holstein> zus: you have to run sudo update-grub
[21:18] <holstein> after making those changes
[21:18] <holstein> this doesnt really change much though
[21:18] <holstein> just turns the timer off
[21:18] <holstein> and lets you see the menu
[21:18]  * zus is doing this now 
[21:19] <holstein> there are other more permanant ways to do it
[21:19] <holstein> i would suggest starting here
[21:19] <holstein> zus: when you get the RT kernel running
[21:19] <holstein> you can check that 'realtime' box
[21:19] <holstein> and tweak those settings
[21:19] <zus> this lets me see what options i have at boot
[21:20] <holstein> the GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[21:20] <holstein> thats the one that would let you choose one as default
[21:20] <zus> how do i get the RT kernal? or  at  boot will i just have to "choose" the rt kernel to log in?
[21:20] <holstein> yeah
[21:20] <holstein> you just arrow down to it
[21:20] <holstein> and hit enter
[21:20] <zus> so it should be installed im just not booted into it?
[21:21] <holstein> AFAIK
[21:21] <holstein> if you installed linux-rt
[21:21] <holstein> that would do it
[21:21] <holstein> you'll see all your kernels at boot
[21:21] <holstein> if you made those changes
[21:21]  * holstein looking at my grub to make sure
[21:22] <zus> so when booting into the kernel will all that i just did  stay the same or because its a different kerenl then i'd have different settings?
[21:22] <holstein> zus: nah
[21:22] <holstein> it should be all the same
[21:23] <holstein> the trouble would be if one of your devices is supported by the generic kernel
[21:23] <holstein> and not the RT one
[21:23] <holstein> but that less likely now-a-days
[21:24] <zus> ok i changed my gedit .
[21:25] <holstein> dont forget to run
[21:25] <holstein> sudo update-grub
[21:26] <zus> i comment out the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 so its not "part of the file" and change the GRUB_TIMEOUT=-1
[21:26] <holstein> that should do it
[21:26] <holstein> i had that on this box
[21:26] <holstein> til today
[21:26] <holstein> and i changed the GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[21:26] <holstein> so it would boot something if i leave it alone
[21:27] <zus> yeah lot of times i boot and grab foods so when i get back im at my password screen... i dont have to sit
[21:27] <zus> when i dualbooted anyways...
[21:28] <holstein> you dont have to wait that long to get to grub
[21:28] <holstein> and then you can come back and log in
[21:28] <holstein> if you decide the RT one is the one you want
[21:28] <holstein> we can make it more permanent
[21:28] <holstein> i usually keep 2 of each on my boxes
[21:28] <holstein> tat least
[21:29] <holstein> at least*
[21:29] <zus> as long as "#" is before a line i can bassically write anything anywhere correct?
[21:31] <holstein> AFAIK
[21:31] <holstein> # just means ignore this
[21:32] <zus> nice i wanted to write in what i changed for future - but i saved anyways,
[21:33] <zus> found linux image: /.....2.6.32-23 generic ........./.........2.6.31-11-rt
[21:35] <zus> holstein,  earlier you mentioned i didnt want to start and stop jack???? (scrolling back)
[21:35] <holstein> well, you can
[21:35] <holstein> but once you start it
[21:36] <holstein> you kinda want to leave it running
[21:36] <holstein> if you close it
[21:36] <holstein> sometime you can reconnect the apps
[21:36] <holstein> and sometimes you have to relaunch them
[21:36] <zus> i see
[21:36] <holstein> there are managers
[21:37] <holstein> i want to say ladish is one?
[21:37] <zus> i do move round and drag this desktop EVERYWHERE
[21:37] <Conzeit> Hey all...
[21:37] <holstein> kxstudio has something like that
[21:37] <holstein> a jack session manager
[21:37] <holstein> but i havnet really gotten into it
[21:37] <holstein> hey Conzeit :)
[21:37] <zus> whats this kxstudio? ya mentioned it yersterday as well?
[21:38] <zus> hello Conzeit
[21:38] <holstein> its falktx's ubuntu based distro
[21:38] <Conzeit> hey zus.......
[21:38] <Conzeit> I have a quick question
[21:38] <Conzeit> I thought ubuntustudio Lucid wasnt ready so I installed regular lucid, can I use the ubuntustudio lucid iso to install it's programs on my regular lucid?
[21:38] <holstein> he's got a lot of cool stuff in there
[21:38] <holstein> Conzeit: sure
[21:38] <holstein> check out
[21:38] <holstein> !vanilla
[21:38] <holstein> Conzeit: and also
[21:39] <Conzeit> cool, thanks. I have a xp dual boot....that wont get in the way will it?
[21:39] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[21:39] <zus> lol i did that to, so along with ubuntustudio i have all the memenu and social crap  hahah
[21:39] <holstein> Conzeit: shouldnt
[21:39] <holstein> Conzeit: i would
[21:39] <holstein> got to where ever you install packages from
[21:39] <Conzeit> heheh
[21:39] <holstein> synaptic or whatever
[21:39] <holstein> and search ubuntustudio
[21:40] <zus> synaptic packagemanager
[21:40] <holstein> the 'meta-packages' should be defined there
[21:40] <Conzeit> thanks guys
[21:40] <holstein> and you can read about them
[21:40] <holstein> and decide what you want to install
[21:40] <holstein> sudo apt-cache search ubuntustudio
[21:40] <holstein> or the software center
[21:40] <holstein> you should get the same end result
[21:41] <zus> Conzeit,  grab the  "linux-rt" (no quotes) it wasnt highlighted when i grabbed my packages for me
[21:41] <holstein> yeah, you can try the genercic one too though
[21:42] <holstein> and move tot he real-time one whenever you want
[21:42] <holstein> Conzeit: are you interested in audio or video?
[21:42] <holstein> graphics?
[21:42] <Conzeit> mostly graphics
[21:43] <holstein> Conzeit: so for you
[21:43] <holstein> i would read the package explanations
[21:43] <holstein> the buld of the packages are for audio
[21:43] <holstein>   bulk*
[21:43]  * zus has a foot in all three in real life, so the computer made it easier for him to work and chose all three
[21:44] <Conzeit> I still want to dabble in audio though, so I'll install everything first, and then see what I'm defintively not using and remove that
[21:44] <Conzeit> but thx
[21:45] <holstein> Conzeit: :)
[21:45] <holstein> let us know how it goes
[21:45] <Conzeit> I will =)
[21:45] <zus> holstein,  i'd add effects to the instruments then through the 8th screenshot down, in jack?
[21:45] <holstein> http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/
[21:45] <Conzeit> ah. gotta love open source...I dont think a windows support asshole would say something like that :p
[21:46] <holstein> cool podshoe for the audio side ^^
[21:46] <holstein> Conzeit: lol
[21:46]  * holstein looking zus 
[21:46] <holstein> zus: yeah
[21:47] <holstein> thats where you would run something like jackrack
[21:47] <holstein> and route however you want
[21:47] <holstein> you can route physical inputs into an effect running in jackrack
[21:47] <holstein> or rakarrack
[21:48] <holstein> OR midi synths
[21:48] <holstein> or whatever
[21:48] <holstein> and run them out to other things
[21:48] <holstein> or to the output
[21:48] <holstein> or to ardour ro record it
[21:48] <holstein>               to*
[21:48] <zus> now we have  2 mics and a 4 channel radioshack (poor lol) mixer
[21:48] <holstein> zus: thats a good start
[21:49] <holstein> do what you can with what you got, i say
[21:49] <holstein> then you'll find out what gear you really need
[21:49] <zus> were going to be doing voice overs for some video, so i wanna  learn how to set up at least the mic and 4ch mixer
[21:50] <zus> holstein,  how much  paitience  you've left, i mean time hahahha
[21:52] <holstein> im good for now
[21:52] <holstein> whacha got zus ?
[21:52] <holstein> OK
[21:52] <holstein> so you got 1/8 inch input on your sound card probably
[21:52] <zus> brb i got to grab the mic and 4ch mix
[21:52] <holstein> and 1/4" outs on the mixer
[21:52] <zus> yeah its the tiny ones
[21:53] <holstein> you gotta go back the the radio shack and get a cable
[21:53] <zus> yep i also have a 1/8 to 1/4 adaptor
[21:53] <holstein> you want to go from the outputs of the mixer
[21:53] <holstein> to the input on your soundcard
[21:54] <holstein> this is going ot be the weak part of your set up
[21:54] <holstein> you'll probably get a little 'hum' or 'buzz'
[21:54] <holstein> but still
[21:54] <holstein> its a good start
[21:54] <holstein> SO
[21:54] <holstein> tell me what mixer that is?
[21:56] <zus> im here un tieing knots
[21:56] <zus> radio shack 4 chn stereo mixer
[21:57] <holstein> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102920
[21:57] <holstein> ??
[21:58] <zus> one sec, 32-2056 is the No.
[21:59] <zus> i have to use the mic input on my sound card
[21:59] <holstein> you might
[21:59] <holstein> you'll have to just mess around
[21:59] <holstein> and figure out what works best
[21:59] <zus> the set is that way...
[21:59] <holstein> the line-in would be preferable
[22:00] <zus> lol hmmm
[22:00]  * zus agrees 
[22:00] <holstein> you should
[22:00] <holstein> in theory
[22:00] <holstein> use the line-out on your mixer
[22:01] <holstein> into the line-in
[22:01] <zus> ok, then im set
[22:01] <holstein> and boost the signal with the radio shack mixer
[22:01] <holstein> then, it should be stereo
[22:01] <holstein> which for your purposes just means 2 track
[22:02] <holstein> so you can record 2 seperate tracks at once if you want
[22:02]  * holstein gotta make a call
[22:02] <zus> the line in is a dot with waves  on the sound card yeah?
[22:02] <zus> ok
[22:02] <holstein> zus: what sound card?
[22:02] <holstein> i think they are usually black?
[22:02] <holstein> pink is mic
[22:03] <holstein> and green is output
[22:03] <holstein> maybe
[22:03] <zus> blue
[22:03] <holstein> doesnt have to be like that
[22:03] <holstein> hmmmm
[22:03]  * zus looks in the back of his machine
[22:03] <holstein> i would google it just to be sure
[22:03] <holstein> but i bet thats it
[22:05] <holstein> OK im back
[22:05] <zus> its blue
[22:05] <holstein> i double booked myself friday
[22:05] <holstein> and had to get a sub
[22:06] <holstein> its sorted :)
[22:06] <holstein> OK
[22:06] <zus> the back has the same as the front  BUT its written line in on the back not the front
[22:06] <holstein> yeah
[22:06] <holstein> id go for the back one
[22:06] <holstein> again, you'll have to just mess around with it
[22:06] <holstein> and run alsamixer
[22:07] <holstein> and make sure everything is turned up
[22:07] <zus> from term?
[22:07] <holstein> yeah
[22:07] <holstein> but
[22:07] <holstein> lets just try it first
[22:07] <holstein> what are the outputs on the mixer?
[22:07] <holstein> RCA?
[22:07] <holstein> 1/4 inch?
[22:07] <zus> rcs red/white (left/right) to 1/8 plug
[22:08] <holstein> OK
[22:08] <holstein> that should do it
[22:08] <holstein> in theory
[22:08] <holstein> you plug that in
[22:08] <holstein> and connect the system ins to the outs
[22:08] <holstein> in JACK
[22:08] <holstein> and you should hear whatever is runing through the mixer
[22:08] <zus> minc into chn 1 mixer output into line in,...
[22:09] <holstein> yup
[22:09] <zus>  i dont see nothing in jack except zyn
[22:09] <holstein> your in the audio tab ?
[22:09] <holstein> you dont see what you saw before?
[22:10] <holstein> 15:55 < zus> i got capture _1 an capture_2 on left
[22:10] <holstein> 15:56 < zus> playback _1-8 on right
[22:10] <zus> well pluggin in the mixer changed nothing  is what i mean
[22:11] <zus> card: HDA  intel chip: Realtek ALC882
[22:11] <holstein> SO the thing you plugged your mixer into
[22:11] <holstein> that should be caputer
[22:11] <holstein> capture*
[22:11] <holstein> on the left side
[22:11] <zus> oh wait
[22:11] <holstein> and the outs are whatever you were plugging zyn into
[22:11] <zus> + wasnot -
[22:11] <holstein> the 'playback' ones
[22:12] <zus> i think i got it
[22:12] <holstein> :)
[22:12] <holstein> you hear it?
[22:12] <zus> system capture_1 and capture_2 are not connected to playback_3 and  playback_4
[22:13] <holstein> playback 1 and 2
[22:13] <holstein> should be the ones
[22:13] <holstein> you were hearding zyn
[22:13] <holstein> hearing*
[22:13] <zus> i hear zyn
[22:13] <holstein> so wherever you plugged zyn
[22:13] <holstein> thats where you plug capture 1 and 2
[22:14] <holstein> we know the 'out' is working
[22:14] <holstein> and located
[22:14] <holstein> we dont konw about the physcial input yet though
[22:14] <holstein> SO
[22:15] <holstein> you have capture 1 routed to playback 1 ?
[22:15] <holstein> and capture 2 routed to playback 2?
[22:15] <holstein> and you dont hear the mic?
[22:15] <zus> what did i have to do in the alsa mixer?
[22:16] <zus> nope
[22:16] <holstein> hmmm
[22:16] <holstein> lets look at it
[22:16] <holstein> run alsa mixer
[22:16] <holstein> OOPS
[22:16] <holstein> alsamixer
[22:16] <zus> line was turned down
[22:16] <holstein> push F5 too
[22:16] <holstein> that should show everything
[22:17] <holstein> did that do it zus ?
[22:17] <holstein> do you hear anything yet?
[22:17] <zus> one sec
[22:17] <zus> i think im only good on playback_1 n 2
[22:17] <holstein> zus: thats normal
[22:17] <holstein> could be a surround sound card
[22:17] <holstein> or something
[22:18] <holstein> OR alsa coule think its a surround sound card
[22:18] <holstein> you really just need playback 1 and 2
[22:18] <holstein> and they seem to be working
[22:19] <zus> nothing yet i. one sec
[22:19] <holstein> hmmm
[22:20] <zus> poop lol this plug isnt good
[22:20] <zus> sorry
[22:20] <zus>  brb
[22:23] <zus> ok i will get this to work lol
[22:23] <holstein> hey, the hard part is over really
[22:24] <zus> how do i  then connect more than one item then if i only can use playback_1 and 2_
[22:24] <holstein> the rest is just experimenting til you get a do-able set-up
[22:24] <holstein> zus: you just make the connection in JACK
[22:24] <holstein> in the 'connect' window
[22:25] <zus> can i route them all to playback_1 and_2?
[22:25] <holstein> just drage a line between whatever you want to 'plug in'
[22:25] <holstein> yup
[22:25] <holstein> you can route as much as your hardware will alow
[22:25] <holstein> allow*
[22:25] <zus> ahhh
[22:26]  * zus thought only one per playback
[22:26] <zus> that changes everything lol
[22:28] <holstein> nah
[22:28] <holstein> you can do whatever you want in there
[22:28] <holstein> JACK is great
[22:30] <zus> zyn is back up but this mixer isnt on, i think its this plug.
[22:32] <holstein> could be
[22:32] <holstein> you could try it somewhere else to test
[22:33] <holstein> headphone out of something into ta stereo
[22:33] <zus> im using headphones now actually
[22:34] <zus> i used http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4lKpYXmwIA  at some point shell get into making connections by hitting tab. 3:04 into the vid
[22:36] <holstein> yeah
[22:36] <holstein> i highlight what i want
[22:36] <holstein> and do ctrlC
[22:36] <holstein> maybe its alt-C
[22:37] <holstein> and you might get into patchage
[22:37] <zus>  /me really wishes he had reason on linux  :)
[22:37] <holstein> or some of the other JACK gui frontends
[22:37] <holstein> guitarman really likes patchage
[22:38] <holstein> zus: heh
[22:38] <holstein> e
[22:38] <holstein> you got reason functionality :)
[22:41] <zus> just realized how that sounded  hahah
[22:46] <zus> uhh-oh
[22:46] <zus> i think i may have found a solution
[22:48] <holstein> cool
[22:48] <zus> but not working, i went in system prefrences sound and changed to line in and still nothing
[22:49] <holstein> yeah
[22:49] <holstein> thats going to be for pulse
[22:49] <holstein> those settings
[22:49] <holstein> try the other physical inputs
[22:49] <holstein> on the computer first
[22:50] <holstein> then you could go to google with you card and see whats there
[22:51] <zus> shiny
[22:51] <zus>  holstein  thank you for getting me through the hard part....
[22:51] <zus> is there a link on getting ardour configured and working for newbies?
[22:52]  * zus would like to record open mic nights at this one spot....
[22:52] <holstein> hmmm
[22:52] <holstein> #opensourcemusicians man
[22:52] <holstein> thats the best place really
[22:52] <holstein> it gets easier
[22:52] <holstein> just fire it up
[22:52] <holstein> and start asking questions
[22:52] <holstein> #ardour is great too really
[22:53] <zus> thanks again mate, this got me going tons
[22:53] <holstein> i'll talk you through that eoo as some point :)
[22:53] <holstein> zus: anytime
[22:53] <zus> eoo?
[22:54] <holstein> lol
[22:54] <holstein> too*
[22:54] <holstein> i'll talk you through that too at some point ***
[22:54] <zus> well would you look at this!!!
[22:54]  * holstein is on a new keyboard
[22:54] <zus> "front line" vol=0
[22:54] <holstein> and im a mediocre typist anyways ;)
[22:55] <zus> now flipping wonder
[22:55] <holstein> zus: where is that though ?
[22:55] <holstein> is that in alsamixer?
[22:55] <zus> brb...terminal alsamixer its still open
[22:55] <zus> i had hit f5 but didnt scroll far enough
[22:55] <holstein> AH
[22:55] <holstein> that could be it
[22:56] <zus> lets hope , cuz then both lines are now open and working ....wonders why the spdif and the 5.1 sound wasnt working  is rooted in here as well?
[22:56] <holstein> should be
[22:56] <holstein> but it doenst have to be
[22:56] <holstein> alsa just had to do what it can
[22:57] <holstein> with whatever drivers it has
[22:57] <holstein> and sometimes it works great
[22:57] <holstein> sometimes, you lose something
[22:57] <zus> the 5.1 speakers have a 3way plug  that never worked,...even in windows hehe
[23:03] <zus> i dont knwo where to begin on the terminal alsa mixer lol   what keyboard you get?
[23:04] <zus> i shouldn't run this through the sound cards mic?
[23:05] <holstein> you can try it
[23:05] <holstein> i would try all the inputs
[23:05] <holstein> til i heard some noise
[23:05] <holstein> try and identify whats what
[23:06] <holstein> the labels dont have to be anywhere near right
[23:10]  * zus jumps up EUREKA!
[23:10] <holstein> zus: w00t :)
[23:11] <zus> alsamixer from terminal f5 for all  arrow FAR left to the last 3 empty slots they siaid  mic input source, i arrowed up it came on
[23:14] <holstein> cool :)
[23:14] <holstein> they are often mis labled
[23:14] <zus> one more thing, how do i adjust the volume for the mic so its not louder than the zyn?
[23:14] <holstein> thats would be near impossible to keep up with and get right
[23:15] <holstein> hmmm
[23:15] <holstein> zus: zyn has volume
[23:15] <zus> or aside from the mixer...i mean in the os itself maybe?
[23:15] <holstein> but there is a mixer for jack
[23:15] <holstein> pipeman was talking about it
[23:15] <holstein> i forget what its called
[23:15] <zus> ya said the gui was more for pulse....
[23:16] <holstein> yeah
[23:16] <holstein> you'd want jack-mixer or whatever its called
[23:16] <holstein> might be a kstudio specific thing though
[23:16] <holstein> in falktx's PPA
[23:16] <zus> if i grabbed that ppa it'll change my ubuntustudio set up?
[23:17] <holstein> some
[23:17] <holstein> id wait
[23:17] <holstein> and see what you need
[23:17] <holstein> you can really jank your install with it
[23:17] <holstein> and its really meant to run with KDE
[23:18] <holstein> well, he used KDE to design ksxtudio
[23:18] <holstein> and some of it is a little fiddly in gnome
[23:18] <zus> omg this would be friggin shiny!
[23:19] <zus> i do enjoy KDE much better than gnome..
[23:19] <holstein> OH yeah
[23:19] <holstein> in that case you might want to consider using kxstudio
[23:21] <zus> i was on ubuntu from karmic till a month before lucid, when i switched to kde.  gnome was simple but it lacked somethings i wanted in an os if i can grab dolphin into gnome i might feel better about my pc
[23:21] <zus> if i get to where i spin my own distro i'd love to see a decent hybrid
[23:23] <zus> there somethings one does the other dont and vice versea,  im more after getting it all than "oh my i have kde libs in my gnome" for one i like kden live and ktorrent  lol i used them when i first began using linux/ubuntu
[23:24] <holstein> i really like LXDE
[23:24] <holstein> not really filling that inbetween niche market though
[23:24] <zus> LXDE?
[23:25] <holstein> http://lxde.org/
[23:25] <holstein> theres a lubuntu
[23:25] <holstein> unofficial AFAIK
[23:27] <zus> i have my mixer at 8 on the slider got it down to 4 so its an even balance between hearing myself and the me in the headphones....at this point i no longer need alsa open in terminal right?
[23:27] <zus> as far as my os goes, im going to say im pretty bloated....
[23:28] <zus> my root is on a 40 hdd, dont know how much i used, but i got a lot of stuffs.
[23:30] <holstein> yeah, you can just run alsamixer as-needed
[23:34] <zus> i was playing around here and  on the capture i raised it and i heard me even louder and clearer... should that go up as well or leave the capture to 0
[23:35] <zus> i think i understand this mixer , the capture is for the input source.... thats how i can lower the slider on the mixer by raising that.
[23:38] <holstein> you really just have to play around with them
[23:38] <zus> nvm lol if you touch the desk the vibration gets picked up,.. (
[23:38] <zus> thanks man i appritiate all the help
[23:38] <holstein> thers going to be a point when you'll get distortion
[23:38] <holstein> you might be able to tweak then input settings and get it cleaner
[23:38] <zus> seems at this point its up to me  to play "soundman"
[23:38] <holstein> yeah
[23:39] <zus> i dont want to blow my speakers
[23:39] <holstein> and just get used to your gear
[23:39] <zus> my broteher uses this mixer and mic in his laptop and now has terrible feedback when just trying to use youtube
[23:39] <holstein> is that in windows?
[23:39] <zus> aye
[23:39] <holstein> you can go to the mixer and tunr off the monitoring
[23:40] <holstein> its feeding back on itself
[23:40] <holstein> if its xp
[23:40] <holstein> theres a recording mixer
[23:40] <holstein> and playback mixer
[23:40] <zus> im the ony linux in the network...in my town as far as i know
[23:40] <holstein> and you should be able to mute it in the playback side
[23:40] <zus> its win7
[23:40] <holstein> hmmm
[23:40] <holstein> its similar in there
[23:41] <holstein> but i forget the lingo
[23:41] <zus> i guess i can deal with the mixer on 8
[23:41] <zus> one sec
[23:46] <zus> he said he got it fixed, lol
[23:46] <zus> i should b good with this mic set up beyond ubuntustudio then? i mean maybe for skype calls our audio voice overs for screencasts?
[23:50] <holstein> zus: in theory
[23:50] <holstein> you dont want to be doing that with JACK though
[23:50] <holstein> totally do-able though
[23:50] <zus> thats what i mean
[23:53] <zus> thanks,..
[23:57] <conzeit> hi again =o I was here a little while ago, asking wether I could upgrade from vanilla lucid to studio lucid...now I did =)
[23:58] <zus> conzeit,  you got it all done?
[23:59] <conzeit> I think I did...I mean I just left terminal running and now terminal is showing me a "package configuration" dialog that configures jackd
[23:59] <conzeit> I'm trying to ok it but dont know how...I just migrated from XP :p