=== darkmatter1 is now known as darkmatter [06:38] holstein, ping [15:42] hi [15:42] the 10.04 is better than 8.04 from user perspective [15:42] more friendly. [15:43] wacom works out of the box! [16:05] Ok, so after reading what I can I am no closer to sorting out PulseAudio/Alsa and Jack. It all seems to conflict, which means I am doing something wrong. But I cant work out what. [16:05] Any experts on here that can give me any pointers? [16:06] answer: kxstudio distro :) [16:06] sorry? [16:06] kxstudio comes with pulse/jack integration enabled. [16:07] it's a derivative of kubuntu [16:08] you could study the packages it includes, or talk to irc user falktx in #kxstudio or #opensourcemusicians. falktx put together kxstudio [16:09] ok thanks. [16:10] np [16:12] * Blank__ is another convert from ubuntu studio to kxstudio [16:13] Is it safe to upgrade it over ubuntu studio, even though I upgraded to 10.04 from 9.10 and 9.04 before that. A fresh install would be a drag... [16:16] Well, it seems harmless enough process, I will try and find out... [16:18] ExiledMicrobe, probably not... i tried something similar and messed up a few things [16:18] and it messed up* [16:19] i had to format [16:38] yes well installing that is going to be a shit [16:38] hmmmm [20:24] zus: ping [20:24] lets do it over here [20:24] holstein, pong [20:25] in case someone wants to look at the logs or something [20:25] zus: so have you ran JACK at all? [20:25] i must warn you.... i think i a few things to get a program or two to work, but beyond that... it's still default [20:25] thats cool [20:25] SO [20:26] you have JACK installed right? [20:26] this is an ubuntustudio install? [20:26] ubuntustudio over lucid lynx 10.04 [20:27] OK [20:27] in the menu [20:27] ive got jack control, jackbeat, jackeq, jackrack... [20:28] applications - sound and video - jack control [20:28] start jack control [20:28] holstein: Netjack ? [20:28] kernel_geek: just plain old JACK [20:28] ok [20:28] holstein: oh... [20:28] we've been talking about getting it running on zus 's box for a while [20:28] holstein: Whats the issues ? [20:29] kernel_geek, "Newbie" [20:29] lol [20:29] zus: go to http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html [20:29] ahahh k lolz [20:29] so we can talk about these screenshots [20:29] and i know we are looking at the same thing [20:29] opening up now [20:29] the first screenshot [20:29] thats what you should see [20:30] when you launch jack control [20:30] your going to click 'setup' [20:30] and you should see the second screenshot [20:31] zus: do you have a realtime kernel installed? [20:31] i should [20:31] nah [20:31] you dont have to [20:31] try it with the generic one first [20:31] and get the RT one if you need [20:31] SO [20:31] i grabbed all the packages from the synaptic [20:31] linux -rt [20:31] OH [20:31] ok [20:32] open a terminal [20:32] and run [20:32] uname -a [20:32] you can paste that here [20:32] it shouldnt be much [20:32] but when i boot up i only get a black screen with a flashing _ for a few seconds before the ubuntustudio splash highlights ubu [20:32] we can sort that out too [20:33] 2.6.32-23-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 11 07:54:58 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux [20:33] OK [20:33] SO look at the setup window [20:33] thats the second screenshot on that link [20:34] on the left, there is a realtime checkbox [20:34] untick that box [20:34] if it is ticked [20:34] it was, and done [20:34] zus: this is your internal soundcard right? [20:34] that you're using? [20:35] aye. i have no sound or video card installed other than what the motherboard provide [20:35] SO the also driver should already be selected [20:35] and that is the one you want [20:35] AND most other setting should 'just work' [20:36] there are 2 settings that we 'tweak' a lot [20:36] top right?, under the delete button? [20:36] zus: yeah, that the driver selection drop-down menu [20:36] you can click it and look in there [20:36] ok alsa. is already displayed [20:36] you should see 'firewire' 'OSS' maybe [20:37] i forget what all is in there [20:37] BUT, yeah, alsa is what you want [20:37] SO [20:37] the setting we mess with are [20:37] frames/period [20:37] and periods/uffer [20:37] and periods/buffer* [20:37] zus: down in the bottom right [20:37] you see latency [20:38] latency is at 5.8msec [20:38] yeah [20:38] frames/period is at 128 [20:38] tweaking the settings above [20:38] will change that [20:38] lets set frames/period to 256 [20:38] period buffer is greyed out for me [20:39] zus: interesting [20:39] does it say 2? [20:39] zus: what is your samplerate set to? [20:39] ok changing frames/period, released periods/buffer [20:39] that effects the latency too [20:40] latency is now at 11.6msec [20:40] you probably want 44.1 for sample rate [20:40] if its not already set to that [20:40] 441000 [20:41] frames/period 256, periods/buffer 2, latency 11.6 sample rate 44100... [20:41] OK [20:41] lest go with that for now [20:41] actually [20:41] since we dont have a RT kernel [20:41] lets do frames/period 512 [20:42] whats the latency now? [20:45] latency is 23.2msec [20:45] OK [20:45] lest try that then [20:45] open a terminal [20:45] and add yourself to the audio group [20:46] run sudo adduser YOURUSERNAME audio [20:46] i believe i have done so through the menu [20:46] OK [20:46] good [20:46] SO on the setup window [20:46] click 'OK' [20:46] and close that [20:46] how do i double check to see if i am already in the audio group? [20:47] you can run that command [20:47] sudo addusuer you audio [20:47] and it will say 'you are already a member' [20:47] or nothing if it does it [20:47] one sec, it cant hurt... [20:47] yeah [20:48] done i was already a member. [20:48] cool [20:48] so go back to the main JACK window [20:49] screenshot 1 [20:49] and hit start [20:49] (for the video group same as well just change audio to video?) [20:49] sure [20:49] you'll NEED to do that to get access to firewire devices [20:49] ok start on jack got ya...(ill ask video questions after) [20:50] you see on that screenshot [20:50] it says 'running' [20:50] or 'started' [20:50] something like that [20:50] if its not running [20:50] you'll get errors [20:51] in a messages window that will pop up [20:51] yeah on the screenshot and on my jack it says "started" [20:51] sweet [20:51] SO your running JACK [20:51] :) [20:51] SO [20:51] on the main window [20:51] theres a button 'connect' [20:51] click on that [20:52] (only thing different now is there are -- instead of the RT ) [20:52] 8 screenshots down on that page [20:52] thats what youd should see [20:52] when you click 'connect' [20:52] this is where the magic happens [20:52] theres probably 3 tabs [20:53] audio MIDI and alsa [20:53] the audio tab is where you make connections [20:53] you should see your sound cards physical inputs on the left side [20:53] and the sound cars outputs on the right [20:53] like hooking up different programs?, hydrogen, gtick?... [20:53] yup [20:54] different programs, or physical inputs, or synths [20:54] whatever JACK can see and use [20:54] you can connect in here [20:54] so far only system is there left has a red icon and right has a green icon [20:54] theres a little '+' sign? [20:55] right? [20:55] click that to expand that 'section' [20:55] ( like the back of an actuall rack/mixer) yep there is a toggle "+" [20:55] you'll see that toggle on programs too [20:55] i got capture _1 an capture_2 on left [20:56] playback _1-8 on right [20:56] that seems correct :) [20:57] thats the deal [20:57] you can launch something like zynaddsubfx [20:57] or hydrogen [20:57] or whatever [20:57] and start playing around [20:57] ill do zynaddsubfx.... had a problem with it before [20:57] it is a problem :/ [20:58] but it will make a sound [20:58] open it [20:58] and go back to the connections window [20:58] its open - [20:58] and you'll see it [20:58] yep. [20:58] it may have automatically connected [20:58] if not [20:58] with red lines going to the right [20:58] find its outs on the left [20:58] and connect them to the ins on the right [20:59] out_1 and out_2 [20:59] for your sound cards outputs [20:59] yeah [20:59] outs on the left [20:59] to ins on the right [20:59] * [20:59] playback _1 and playback_2 (has red lines connecting them) [20:59] then, go back to zyn [20:59] and in the menu [21:00] under 'intrument' [21:00] do 'vitual keyboard' [21:00] virtual* [21:00] and you can click on the little keyboard [21:00] or use your qwerty keyboard [21:00] and you *should* hear it [21:01] on zyn i see up top [21:01] file instrument Misc [21:01] OH [21:01] yeah [21:01] instrument [21:01] wiat i see a keyboard though [21:02] unless you see a keyboard on the screen already [21:02] clicking it works (mouse clicks) [21:02] yeah, there are 2 modes [21:02] under 'misc' [21:02] you can change the user modes [21:02] BUT that will work for what we are doing [21:03] do you hear it zus ? [21:03] how do i make it use qwerty? i prefer that over mouse, till i get the M-Audio midi contoller keybord thing? [21:03] yeah [21:03] change modes [21:03] under misc [21:03] yeah it seems accurate as well as far as latency [21:03] to the advanced mode [21:03] and then open the Vkeyboard under 'instrument' [21:03] mode changed to advanced [21:04] and after you click on the keyboard [21:04] you whould be able to use qwerty then [21:04] zus: you can change to the RT kernel [21:04] and mess with the settings [21:04] and get the latency down [21:04] and that will help with using soft synths [21:04] BUT [21:04] holstein, ok qwerty works MUCH better than 3 days ago. [21:05] there will be a limitation with your onboard sound at some point [21:05] tweak all you want though [21:05] SO [21:06] Q: [21:06] zus: yeah? [21:06] i dont have to "disconnect" zyn everytime i want to add another program? [21:06] * holstein needs to get screenshots up on the wiki somewher [21:06] e [21:06] zus: no [21:06] you dont want to stop and start JACK [21:07] AND say for example [21:07] you fire up rakarrack [21:07] which is a real-time guitar effects processor [21:07] ??? :) [21:07] and you run zyn through it [21:07] and you close rakarrack [21:07] you wont hear zyn anymore [21:08] i think i get that? [21:08] because it was being routed through rakarrack [21:08] and rakarrack is gone [21:08] id have to "plug zyn back to jack" [21:08] you'll get it as you go [21:08] zus: exactly [21:08] back into your soundcards outs [21:08] directly [21:09] like adding another pedal and missing a patch cable [21:09] yup [21:09] to an existing effects chain. [21:09] the only limitation is your hardware and imagination really [21:09] * zus feels smart! [21:09] and some MIDI is limitied i think still [21:09] hardware will be a bit of a problem that and $$$ [21:09] but getting better all the time [21:10] zus: you can get around most hardware issues [21:10] lmms sounds too nintendo for me sometimes lol [21:10] and you can slave off to other machines with JACK [21:10] netJACK or jacktrip [21:10] can i plug in my bass and us "IT" as a controller? [21:10] in theory [21:10] you could have a lot of cheesy old p3's running on a network [21:10] and get some serious work done [21:11] zus: you can kindof do that [21:11] "in theory" as to my Q on bass as a controller or the netjack/jacktrip? [21:11] in rakarrack [21:11] zus: i tried it with my bass [21:11] and it tracked pretty slowly [21:11] it worked great for synth pads [21:12] and there might be a different package that works better for that that im not aware of [21:12] but bascially, yeah [21:12] sweet i'd much rather use my bass than the qwerty especially for them slow spacey ambient tracks [21:12] you can trigger MIDI with an anolog instrument [21:13] i can "see" my notes faster on a bass or guitar than on a piano if that makes sense [21:13] i ask [lsd] any and all MIDI questions [21:13] even if he doesnt know [21:13] he knows where to look [21:14] shiny, mouse, qwerty and a possibility to use my bass, poor mans set up. [21:14] with pro results too [21:15] if you want to use that RT kernel [21:15] you can read [21:15] !grub2 [21:15] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10. For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [21:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 [21:16] i like this one better ^^^ [21:16] basically [21:17] you run sudo gedit /etc/default/grub [21:17] and change GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 [21:17] to [21:17] #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 [21:17] and GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 [21:17] add the # [21:17] to GRUB_TIMEOUT=-1 [21:17] and you should see grub [21:18] and you get to choose the kernel [21:18] zus: you have to run sudo update-grub [21:18] after making those changes [21:18] this doesnt really change much though [21:18] just turns the timer off [21:18] and lets you see the menu [21:18] * zus is doing this now [21:19] there are other more permanant ways to do it [21:19] i would suggest starting here [21:19] zus: when you get the RT kernel running [21:19] you can check that 'realtime' box [21:19] and tweak those settings [21:19] this lets me see what options i have at boot [21:20] the GRUB_DEFAULT=0 [21:20] thats the one that would let you choose one as default [21:20] how do i get the RT kernal? or at boot will i just have to "choose" the rt kernel to log in? [21:20] yeah [21:20] you just arrow down to it [21:20] and hit enter [21:20] so it should be installed im just not booted into it? [21:21] AFAIK [21:21] if you installed linux-rt [21:21] that would do it [21:21] you'll see all your kernels at boot [21:21] if you made those changes [21:21] * holstein looking at my grub to make sure [21:22] so when booting into the kernel will all that i just did stay the same or because its a different kerenl then i'd have different settings? [21:22] zus: nah [21:22] it should be all the same [21:23] the trouble would be if one of your devices is supported by the generic kernel [21:23] and not the RT one [21:23] but that less likely now-a-days [21:24] ok i changed my gedit . [21:25] dont forget to run [21:25] sudo update-grub [21:26] i comment out the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 so its not "part of the file" and change the GRUB_TIMEOUT=-1 [21:26] that should do it [21:26] i had that on this box [21:26] til today [21:26] and i changed the GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 [21:26] so it would boot something if i leave it alone [21:27] yeah lot of times i boot and grab foods so when i get back im at my password screen... i dont have to sit [21:27] when i dualbooted anyways... [21:28] you dont have to wait that long to get to grub [21:28] and then you can come back and log in [21:28] if you decide the RT one is the one you want [21:28] we can make it more permanent [21:28] i usually keep 2 of each on my boxes [21:28] tat least [21:29] at least* [21:29] as long as "#" is before a line i can bassically write anything anywhere correct? [21:31] AFAIK [21:31] # just means ignore this [21:32] nice i wanted to write in what i changed for future - but i saved anyways, [21:33] found linux image: /.....2.6.32-23 generic ........./.........2.6.31-11-rt [21:35] holstein, earlier you mentioned i didnt want to start and stop jack???? (scrolling back) [21:35] well, you can [21:35] but once you start it [21:36] you kinda want to leave it running [21:36] if you close it [21:36] sometime you can reconnect the apps [21:36] and sometimes you have to relaunch them [21:36] i see [21:36] there are managers [21:37] i want to say ladish is one? [21:37] i do move round and drag this desktop EVERYWHERE [21:37] Hey all... [21:37] kxstudio has something like that [21:37] a jack session manager [21:37] but i havnet really gotten into it [21:37] hey Conzeit :) [21:37] whats this kxstudio? ya mentioned it yersterday as well? [21:38] hello Conzeit [21:38] its falktx's ubuntu based distro [21:38] hey zus....... [21:38] I have a quick question [21:38] I thought ubuntustudio Lucid wasnt ready so I installed regular lucid, can I use the ubuntustudio lucid iso to install it's programs on my regular lucid? [21:38] he's got a lot of cool stuff in there [21:38]