[00:41] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1149663 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (Messages.sh utils/Messages.sh) Move Messages.sh to the utils dir, so that our po/ dir will show up there in the tarballs, and our KDE-having CMakeLists.txt there will be able to handle the KDE translation macros
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: do you think you could make the release script move the po/ dir to the directory where the Messages.sh is?
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> and also the gettext cmake stuff needs to go to the CMakeLists.txt to that directory
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> currently it is failing because the toplevel CMakeLists.txt doesn't have KDE macros :(
[03:19]  * DarkwingDuck drools
[08:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I am not sure about moving the po dir, but we can try something rather awesome ^^
[08:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh look, bug 550707 now also affects debian-installer, even though he says that the debian-installer does not do this ^^
[08:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, actually me applying awesomeness would require yet another hack :S
[09:04] <apachelogger> oh
[09:04] <apachelogger> there is some logical problem anyway
[09:06] <CIA-33> [libqapt] sitter * 1149759 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (CMakeLists.txt utils/CMakeLists.txt) Make build of utils as part of libqapt conditional to presence of KDE4 + add release script magic to enforce po dir inclusion at specific location
[09:08] <apachelogger> works like a charm
[09:18] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100714081829-ymlwdu5lv1230hjw * src/libs/ (SyncDaemon.cpp SyncDaemon.h) Behold! The return of transferStarted and contentQueueChanged. Only for debugging as of now.
[09:32] <Quintasan> \o
[09:54] <apachelogger> yo Quintasan
[09:55] <Quintasan> apachelogger: \o
[09:56] <apachelogger> can I has neon yet :P
[09:56] <Quintasan> nope
[09:56] <apachelogger> :'(
[09:56] <Quintasan> working on bumping build numbers so I can upload same revision :s
[10:12] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100714091203-c3s8i873bifbfmmi * src/libs/ (3 files in 2 dirs) I have absolutely no idea why, but the introspection reported {Download,Upload}Started as variant, even though they are strings... it still does... VERY odd.
[10:13] <apachelogger> python--
[10:13] <apachelogger> Quintasan: sounds like fun
[10:13] <Quintasan> I doubt it will work
[10:31]  * apachelogger just invented a QStringHashList ^^
[10:31] <apachelogger> does not look as cool as QStringHashHash though :/
[10:38] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100714093804-mu8ag35qd59bdxrx * src/libs/SyncDaemon.cpp also qdebug current_uploads
[10:39] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100714093824-88078fxo7opawerr * src/libs/Types.h - Boot QStringMap* types (we are using hashes - at least for now) - Add QStringHashList : DBus type aa{ss}
[10:40] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100714093918-7vitgbnv84mepuvh * src/libs/introspection/com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.xml Annotate aa{ss} as QStringHashList. I am happy to announce that except for a conflicting delete command introspection is complete now \o/
[11:18] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100714101824-3lbuarrimrw11szk * src/libs/ (SyncDaemon.cpp SyncDaemon.h Types.h) add super cool function to help with debugging raw qdbusmessages coming from signals
[11:36] <fabo> Riddell: ping
[11:38] <Riddell> hi fabo 
[11:40] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100714104006-a309wnre1w126r9c * src/libs/ (SyncDaemon.cpp SyncDaemon.h) work on upload only for now
[11:40] <fabo> Riddell: do you remember an issue with Qt WebKit no detected ?
[11:40] <Riddell> fabo: noe
[11:40] <Riddell> nope
[11:40] <Riddell> not detected by what?
[11:41] <fabo> Riddell: if I build mobility with latest qtwebkit, webkit isn't detected
[11:42] <fabo> like if QT_CONFIG doesn't have webkit
[11:43] <Riddell> my qmake foo is poor, I guess it just expects qtwebkit to come from qt
[11:44] <fabo> hmm I guess qtwebkit should ship something like QT_CONFIG += webkit 
[11:45] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100714104451-9ihnshxl72o9pome * src/libs/SyncDaemon.cpp cleanup private daemon
[11:45] <Riddell> fabo: does HTML5 video and audio work for you in qtwebkit?
[11:45] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/html5.html doesn't render in rekonq here
[11:46] <fabo> I didn't tried, i'll try as soon as I have latest package working
[11:52] <coz_> hey guys..a couple of things... how to get wallpaper to stretch or at least mirror on secondary monitor on dual monitor set up and  ..I use cairo dock at the top of the screen but icons continually move "under" the dock...any way to remedy this?
[11:53] <Riddell> coz_: KDE user questions best on #kubuntu, gnome user questions best on #ubuntu
[11:54] <coz_> Riddell,  ok this is kde beta   but i will go there
[12:06] <falktx> hi guys
[12:06] <falktx> i noticed that in kde 4.5.0 rc2, packages from backports, only pulseaudio is available as phonon output
[12:07] <falktx> is this normal/expected?
[12:08] <Riddell> falktx: if you have pulseaudio installed, yes
[12:09] <falktx> then if I remove pulseaudio it will back to normal?
[12:09] <falktx> i usually use jack output
[12:10] <Riddell> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/KDE  may help
[12:10] <Riddell> phonon doesn't normally output to jack as far as I know
[12:12] <falktx> i know, but I like jack
[12:14] <falktx> "his module (called module-device-manager) can be started manually by running the script "start-pulseaudio-kde" which should be shipped with PulseAudio  since 0.9.21"
[12:14] <falktx> such thing is not available in lucid...
[12:15] <Riddell> hmm
[12:15] <Riddell> that could be an issue then
[12:16] <Riddell> you want to run
[12:16] <Riddell> /usr/bin/pactl load-module module-device-manager "do_routing=1" > /dev/null; /usr/bin/pactl load-module module-x11-bell "display=$DISPLAY" "sample=bell.ogg" > /dev/null
[12:16] <falktx> heh...
[12:16] <falktx> Failure: Module initalization failed
[12:17] <Riddell> bother
[12:17] <falktx> i think i'll stay on kde 4.4
[12:18] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: neat, thanks :D
[12:18] <falktx> i think pulseaudio should be backported from lucid into the kubuntu beta ppa
[12:19] <Riddell> that's one option, the other is to remove the pulsaudio patches from lucid packages
[12:19] <falktx> that could work too
[12:20] <falktx> i would prefer that
[12:20]  * falktx thinks about creating another testing ppa...
[12:20] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1149798 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (Messages.sh utils/Messages.sh) Revert 1149663, I had misinterpreted the release scripties
[12:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you're welcome :)
[12:29] <falktx> hm, how should the pulseaudio be disable for this?
[12:29] <falktx> removing pulseaudio from build depends?
[12:31] <falktx> btw, ktorrent is outdated, v4.0.2 is out now
[12:33] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/u1-upload.ogv
[12:33] <apachelogger> improved upload indication \o/
[12:33] <Riddell> falktx: yes
[12:33] <Riddell> are file previews working for people in dolphin?
[12:34] <falktx> they work for me
[12:34] <falktx> videos too, with the new ffmpegthumbs lib
[12:34] <apachelogger> I had the thumbnailer eat my system for videos btw
[12:35] <apachelogger> was rather nice to see that stuff other than chrome can eat all my memory
[12:42] <Riddell> I'd like to turn previews on in dolphin by default, anyone disagree?
[12:43] <Riddell> as well as turning off the search toolbar (because I turned off nepomuk strigi too)
[12:47] <Riddell> oh and turn the info side panel on too
[13:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, we had that, I turned it off
[13:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: dolphin is not able to differ between local and remote previews
[13:02] <apachelogger> which essentially means that it will preview smb and ftp and webdav etc. etc.
[13:02] <Riddell> that's very unintelligent of it
[13:03] <apachelogger> I agree
[13:03] <apachelogger> konqueror was able to do that
[13:03] <apachelogger> oh also IIRC it did not have a threshold
[13:03] <apachelogger> so if there was a super large tiff file on a remote slave it would download the whole file to create a preview of it
[13:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: there does seem to be a threshold now
[13:04] <Riddell> Dolphin Preferences -> general -> previews
[13:04] <Riddell> "Do not create previews for local files above...MB remove files above... MB"
[13:04] <Riddell> and remote files is 0MB
[13:05] <apachelogger> oh, cool
[13:05] <apachelogger> I suppose we should conduct a performance check though
[13:05] <apachelogger> because now that dolphin is fast I would rather not have it become slow again because of previews ^^
[13:06] <Riddell> there doesn't seem to be any way to turn on global previews except by patching kdebase
[13:06]  * apachelogger is wondering why they are not on by default anyway
[13:08] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100714120836-ixulu5u3nrcytze8 * src/ (4 files in 2 dirs) The return of upload indication \o/
[13:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'll e-mail Peter
[13:16] <apachelogger> okidoki
[13:17] <Riddell> since I don't think there's a dolphin mailing list
[13:28] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1149831 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/main.cpp Bump version for 0.3 (1.0 alpha2) release
[13:31] <Riddell> neversfelde: did you ever manage to look at koffice without openjpeg?
[13:33] <debfx> what are we going to do about the qtwebkit package names? if Debian sticks with the current naming scheme we should rename our packages now
[13:33] <Riddell> debfx: yes we need to decide
[13:34] <Riddell> was hoping lex would turn up since he was thinking about it too
[13:34] <Riddell> I think we should sync from debian but change the source package name
[13:34] <Riddell> since our source package has a larger version number
[13:35] <Riddell> it probably needs some version changes in the replaces/conflicts too
[13:36] <debfx> we also need transitional packages for -dev and -dbg
[13:36] <Riddell> right
[13:38] <debfx> what's the advantage of renaming the source package if we need to diverge from Debian anyway?
[13:39] <Riddell> debfx: we currently have a qtwebkit source package already and it has a larger version number
[13:40] <Riddell> 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1 compared to 2.0~week26
[13:45] <Riddell> debfx: are you offering to prepare that? :)
[13:46] <Riddell> contains(QT_CONFIG, phonon)
[13:46] <Riddell> fabo: hmm, I think webkit not picking up phonon is the same issue as qtmobility not picking up separate webkit
[13:47] <debfx> Riddell: yeah I can do that
[13:48] <Riddell> debfx: lovely, thanks
[13:49] <Riddell> debfx: in WebCore/WebCore.pro I think you should comment out the "!contains(DEFINES, ENABLE_VIDEO=.) {" block and just add in DEFINES += ENABLE_VIDEO=1
[13:49] <Riddell> debfx: for source package name, qtwebkit-source sort of follows upstream
[13:55] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/staging/+build/1871238
[13:55] <JontheEchidna> ...
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> :/
[13:57] <Riddell> that may be related to me having finally processed the sync requests, quite a few of them
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> heh
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> this does pose a problem, however... I really wanted to release today
[13:59] <Riddell> although two days is extraordinary
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> actually, it looks like most of the queue is due to PPAs
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> 1976 i386 jobs in queue for PPAs
[14:00] <Riddell> I see talk of new sbuild patches and whatnot in #soyuz
[14:01] <Riddell> pulseaudio uploaded to PPA with KDE autostart file added
[14:08] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think the backup in the official archive has a lot to do with 3 gcc-4.4 uploads in the last 12 hours.
[14:10] <ScottK> NCommander: I see your rebuild test for qt4-x11 succeeded on armel.  What needs to happen before that will work in the archive?
[14:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: Retrying digikam after your pkg-kde-tools fix worked.  Thanks again.
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> Start in 12 minutes (12505) <3 P3A
[14:14] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[14:15] <apachelogger> I think I know why u1-kde crashes at exit
[14:15] <apachelogger> AHA!
[14:17] <apachelogger> oh this is beautiful
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> bah, it'll misbuild in -ninjas though, due to higher-versioned kde4libs :(
[14:19] <apachelogger> I haz found bug in the knotificationitem!
[14:19] <apachelogger> muhahahahhahahahaha
[14:51] <apachelogger> oh
[14:51] <apachelogger> maybe the bug is in Qt after all
[15:04] <Riddell> hmm, kaffeine seems to be a smaller .deb than dragonplayer
[15:06] <Riddell> I'm going to swap dragon for kaffeine on the seeds unless anyone objects
[15:07]  * apachelogger objects and suggests vlc because kaffeine AND dragonplayer are complete and utter crap AND because amarok will beat us to use vlc once the backend is ready anyway
[15:07] <jussi> Riddell: big +1 from me
[15:08] <apachelogger> also vlc is more useful than both of them anyway
[15:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's crap about kaffeine AND dragonplayer?
[15:08] <apachelogger> kaffeine got about the most horrible interface I personally can imagine, dragonplayer got about the most horrible lack of features I can imagine
[15:09] <Riddell> vlcs UI isn't all that pretty either
[15:09] <apachelogger> so we have vlc which is well maintained used by millions, does just about anything, libvlc will be forced upon us by upstream
[15:09] <apachelogger> vs kaffeine which is not used by millions but at least maintained
[15:10] <apachelogger> vs dragonplayer which is also not used by millions and sort of maintained
[15:12] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100714141151-7jwsxe6220rccdv7 * src/statusnotifier/Application.cpp Fix crash-on-exit \o/
[15:12] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100714141202-a0qdms0sfbkr0a5m * src/statusnotifier/StatusNotifier.cpp formatting++
[15:12] <Riddell> vlc seems to have a load of gnome dependencies, I wonder why
[15:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: gnome biased packagers I suppose
[15:19] <ScottK> vlc also has a security history that might give the security team pause for bringing it in Main.
[15:20] <ScottK> It may have gotten better though.
[15:29]  * ScottK says what the heck and retries qt4-x11 (since it worked on the archvie rebuild test)
[15:31] <rdieter> shadeslayer: I recall you mentioning a ftbfs kdiff3 problem recently (yesterday?), i've got a patch fixing the usual kde45/docbook problem, if you're interested.
[15:34] <ScottK> rdieter: I'm pretty sure that's what it was and we are interested.
[15:35] <rdieter> cool, http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/kdiff3/kdiff3-0.9.95-docbook_fixes.patch
[15:36] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:49] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1149901 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/MainTab.cpp Wow, I have no idea how this was compiling before this...
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Adipose sighting! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/walls-of-fat-removed-from-londons-sewers-2025528.html
[15:53] <apachelogger> OMG!
[15:54] <ulysses> Let's call the Doctor!
[16:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: your software is broken :P
[16:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: All software is broken.
[16:09] <apachelogger> It is the fundamental rule of software :D
[16:14]  * apachelogger is wondering when u1-kde gets an upload and a download at the same time
[16:16] <apachelogger> cool
[16:16] <apachelogger> it just ignores the download ^^
[16:16] <Quintasan> grr
[16:19] <apachelogger> that was Ood
[16:20] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100714151946-uc5x6lz20hxjon0l * src/ (4 files in 2 dirs) EXTERMINATE! - erm - DOWNLOAD! ;)
[16:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: package link is the invalid in your blog post
[16:28] <neversfelde> Riddell: yes, I will finish this tonight
[16:28] <Riddell> neversfelde: great
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ooh, thanks
[16:31] <ulysses> It's time to finish Muon's localization
[16:31] <Riddell> what is muon?
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/introducing-qapt-and-the-muon-package-manager/
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> you missed it while frying in the sauna at akademy
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[16:32] <apachelogger> like we did not babble about it for months :P
[16:32] <apachelogger> anyhow
[16:32] <apachelogger> who wants to share stuff on you bun too one with me?
[16:33] <jjesse-droid> jontheechinda you need someone to write docs for min?
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> jjesse-droid: for muon? It would be very much appreciated
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I would but statusnotifier says it can't connect to the cloud :'-(
[16:35] <arch0njw> Hello, all.  I have been looking at the KDE development tutorials and the libs used in them look like they are from KDE3.  Am I imagining things?  http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials#Introduction_To_KDE_4_Programming
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: the config module seems to connect fine though
[16:35] <Riddell> arch0njw: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/First_program looks like KDE 4 to me
[16:36] <jjesse-droid> cool I will work on it
[16:36] <arch0njw> Riddell: the man himself!  :)  When I look at the source to some KDE projects I've grabbed the libs look different.  Q* instead of K*.  What level of my ignorance am I parading about?  ;)
[16:37] <Riddell> arch0njw: classes starting in Q are from Qt, the toolkit used to make KDE Platform.  classes starting in K are from KDE Platform
[16:38] <arch0njw> Riddell: ok.  Is there a best practice as to deciding which should be used versus the other?
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> K ones integrate better with KDE, when a K alterative is available
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> plus a lot of K ones have extended API with some nifty extra featurs
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> For example, KLineEdit has a clear button that you can enable
[16:39] <arch0njw> JontheEchidna: Thank you.  Okay.  Cool.  Thank you for explaining.  (KLineEdit -- sweet!)
[16:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you only can share via the web UI
[16:40] <apachelogger> well, yet
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> ah, ofc
[16:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you maybe running lucid-proposed?
[16:40] <apachelogger> hat one contains a new ubuntuone-client than the one in my ppa
[16:41] <apachelogger> s/hat/that
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> Installed: 1.3.3-0ubuntu1
[16:41] <apachelogger> ah
[16:41] <apachelogger> maverick :P
[16:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: with a patched syncdaemon?
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> let me just filter by origin in muon, then downgrade ubuntuone-client :D
[16:41] <apachelogger> ^^
[16:42] <apachelogger> I doubt downgrading to 1.2.1 from 1.3.3 is much of a supported move though :S
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> hrm, yeah. fails to install :D
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> dependency issues
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> oh wellz
[16:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just patch your syncd :P
[16:43] <apachelogger> as per instructions in my initial mail
[16:43] <apachelogger> the patch should also apply to 1.3.3
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what email should I use to share this folder with you?
[16:44] <apachelogger> apachelogger@ubuntu.com
[16:44] <apachelogger> apparently it does work with any email, one just needs to be in possesion of the url
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: shared
[16:46] <apachelogger> thx
[16:46] <apachelogger> now if only the syncd would notice :S
[16:48] <apachelogger> oh
[16:48] <apachelogger> bug
[16:48] <apachelogger> omg
[16:50] <apachelogger> ohm
[16:50] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:50] <apachelogger> apparently once you accept a share you cannot get rid of it again
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> it looks like I can unshare it
[16:51] <apachelogger> but I cant ^^
[16:51] <apachelogger> how cool is that
[16:54] <apachelogger> bug fixed \o/
[17:00]  * ScottK hopes people get a LOL out of his latest blog post.
[17:04] <al> ScottK: your checking tool says my SPF record is valid
[17:05] <al> is that a bug in the tool?
[17:05] <ScottK> al: Probably not.
[17:05] <ScottK> Usually I get mails from people that clearly are having trouble spelling DNS.
[17:06] <al> :D
[17:07] <al> i figured when i saw the NOTE: The domain is everything to the right of the '@' in the e-mail address.
[17:09] <ScottK> Yeah.
[17:42] <arch0njw> Another silly question.  I am setting up kdevelop (4.0) and the instructions here are definitely for kdevelop 3.x. http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#KDevelop.  How do I get it to reconize the K* includes?
[17:43] <arch0njw> (I have installed kde-devel)
[18:03] <coz_> hey guys  kde 4.5 RC2   how to get image previews on the desktop   Folder view?
[18:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: seems the patch is the same thing i suggested.. convert docbook to 4.2 ... ( re kdiff3 )
[18:04] <shadeslayer> ill look into this,if someone hasnt already
[18:05] <shadeslayer> rdieter: you work with fedora as well? :D
[18:05] <rdieter> shadeslayer: yes
[18:05] <shadeslayer> rdieter: kewl :D
[18:06] <shadeslayer> rdieter: thanks for the patch.. testing it out :)
[18:08] <shadeslayer> rdieter: is line 11 of that patch correct?
[18:09] <shadeslayer> seems like it doesnt really do anything
[18:10]  * shadeslayer has 4 pages of unread mail... thanks to apachelogger
[18:10] <rdieter> yeah, the en docbook didn't require patching, that can be left out
[18:11] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:11] <shadeslayer> brrrr... i keep writing nano as babo :P
[18:13]  * shadeslayer needs a crash course in vim tho
[18:16] <shadeslayer> my kde svn request was denied :'(
[18:23] <shadeslayer> ScottK: rejoice! kdiff3 builds with patch
[18:34] <shadeslayer> rdieter: poke
[18:34] <rdieter> shadeslayer: yes?
[18:34] <shadeslayer> rdieter: how can i search fedora for more patches?
[18:34] <shadeslayer> like the kdiff one....
[18:34] <rdieter> shadeslayer: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Using_Fedora_CVS
[18:34] <shadeslayer> thanks :D
[18:35] <rdieter> you can either get a seed, an anonymous checkout, or web
[18:35]  * shadeslayer doesnt see web
[18:35] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[18:35] <shadeslayer> found it.. 
[18:35] <shadeslayer> that should totaly be under a heading...
[18:45] <shadeslayer> rdieter: fedora doesnt have a folder for kdesudo it seems :D
[18:45]  * shadeslayer cant steal from fedora now :P
[18:46] <apachelogger> isnt there a tool that does that?
[18:47] <apachelogger> http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest/ b0rked
[18:47] <rdieter> shadeslayer: never bothered I guess, kdesu has been largely sufficient so far (and is getting deprecated more over time by polkit-izing everything)
[18:47] <apachelogger> the name is seriously spooky though
[18:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: theres a tool to steal from fedora? :D
[18:48] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:48] <apachelogger> but the name!
[18:48] <apachelogger> entirely reminds me on the torchwood episode "the harvest"
[18:49] <apachelogger> and that was one scary episode IMHO
[18:49] <rdieter> apachelogger: lol (I miss that show)
[18:51] <apachelogger> rdieter: last I heared a 5th series was confirmed
[18:51] <rdieter> apachelogger: rly? woo!
[18:51] <apachelogger> kubotu: wp torchwood
[18:51] <kubotu> Results for torchwood: 1. Torchwood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torchwood | 2. List of Torchwood episodes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Torchwood_episodes | 3. Torchwood Institute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torchwood_Institute
[18:51] <kubotu> [1] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[18:52] <apachelogger> On 7 June 2010, it was confirmed that Torchwood will be returning as a co-production between BBC Cymru Wales, BBC Worldwide and US premium entertainment network Starz for a fourth series consisting of 10 episodes. John Barrowman and Eve Myles will be returning to the series which will feature locations from around the world.
[18:52] <apachelogger> \o/
[18:59] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[18:59] <apachelogger> dbusmenu does eat my widgets, doesnt it?
[19:12] <NCommander> ScottK: I need to ping some people :-)
[19:16] <ScottK> NCommander: I got impatient and mashed the retry button anyway (since the build from doko's armel rebuild test succeeded).  We'll know in ~10 hours or so how it went.
[19:17] <NCommander> ScottK: that's bound to FTBFS again, as the toolchain hasn't been uploaded
[19:17] <ScottK> NCommander: Was doko's rebuild test with the updated toolchain?
[19:17] <NCommander> ScottK: yeah
[19:17] <ScottK> Oh.
[19:17] <ScottK> It would have been nice if that was mentioned on the page about the rebuild.
[19:17] <NCommander> ScottK: it was a custom linaro toolchain that they asked me to try building qt4-x11
[19:17] <NCommander> ScottK: wait, waht rebuild?
[19:18]  * NCommander might be having a thought shew
[19:18] <NCommander> *skew
[19:19] <ScottK> NCommander: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20100707
[19:19] <NCommander> ScottK: *shrug*, thats possibly with an older toolchain vs. newer one.
[19:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: poke
[19:37] <shadeslayer> daily builds going on in classroom
[19:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: omg... lp recipies are eazy :D
[19:41] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: well, it's not like they covered anything new
[19:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: im a n00b at lp recipies
[19:42] <Quintasan> I'm busy with my second computer so I'll review the logs later
[19:42] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: around?
[19:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Barely.
[19:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok.. seems kdesudo is ftbfs with 
[19:59] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/G9ciGw7c
[20:00] <shadeslayer> that patch ^^
[20:00] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You may have to actually update the docbook to match the new schema.
[20:01] <shadeslayer> ScottK: with no EBN... thats going to be a PITA
[20:02] <ScottK> Good luck.
[20:02] <shadeslayer> yeah... :S
[20:13] <shadeslayer> btw anyone know if which package has krazy?
[20:14] <shadeslayer> ( the doc checking tool)
[20:23] <shadeslayer> ScottK: dont upload kdiff3 .. for now...
[20:23] <shadeslayer> brrrr
[20:23] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ^^
[20:23] <shadeslayer> sorry for the highlight
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: something wrong with it?
[20:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: no.. pinotree is trying to explain why the patch is bad in #kde-devel
[20:24] <shadeslayer> apparently the docs are outdated :S
[20:24] <shadeslayer> so im going to request the maintainer to release a version with new docs
[20:25] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: btw any idea on how to install krazy from packages?
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> we don't have krazy packaged
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> gotta get it from svn
[20:25] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: shouldnt it be packaged?
[20:25] <shadeslayer> or does it not have a release 
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> it just hasn't been packaged (it also doesn't have a release, it's pretty much a rolling release type thing)
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> it's just that nobody's ever packaged it
[20:27] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:38] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: cant seem to get the deps right,it wants libxml 
[20:38] <shadeslayer> which package for that?
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> libxml-libxml-perl
[20:38] <shadeslayer> installed libxml-perl and libxml++2.6-2 to no avail
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> mind blowing, I know
[20:39]  * shadeslayer will probably faint....
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> dantti: oh, you're on. :D
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> you have mail :)
[20:44] <dantti> hehe :P
[20:44] <dantti> JontheEchidna: oh, you are my hero :P
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> :)
[20:45] <dantti> I very witouthout time and the time that I got yestarday I started a kopete fork... stupid me
[20:46] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: now how do i get to use tab complete with installed krazy stuff? :P
[20:46] <dantti> at least now I have a "closed project"
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: iDunno
[20:46] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ill have to add PATH= where?
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> oh, right
[20:46]  * shadeslayer doesnt know where
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/Krazy2/bin
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> in ~/.bashrc
[20:47] <dantti> JontheEchidna: how do you think we "release" that lib? so that kubuntu and debian can package?
[20:47]  * shadeslayer hugs JontheEchidna
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> dantti: probably push it to kdereview, ask for API review on kubuntu-devel ml and debian's pkg-kde mailing list
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> string freeze, give kde-l10n a month's notice before release
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> then release a stable release
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> I suppose
[20:49] <dantti> right, kpackagekit is released in kde-apps :P but I don't think it's a good idea for debconf :P
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> oh, a place to put the release.
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[20:50] <dantti> JontheEchidna: for that I think kde's ftp dunno
[20:50] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: heh.. it checks everything but not docs :S
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> I opened up a launchpad project to host libqapt: https://launchpad.net/qapt
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> I didn't enable bug tracking or code hosting. I just throw the tarballs up there
[20:51] <dantti> JontheEchidna: lauchpad uses git? or only bzr?
[20:51] <dantti> hmm right
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> it uses bzr exclusively, and offers import of all the major VCS's
[20:52] <dantti> thanks, i guess I'll use gitorious for this kopete for then :P
[21:02] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1150003 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.h SVN_SILENT: nevermind
[21:03] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ok quick question,where is muon kode?
[21:04] <shadeslayer> kde svn?
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> playground/sysadmin/muon
[21:04] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: next question,i want to start working on muon,what should i know :D
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> um
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> hm
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> how libqapt works I guess
[21:04] <shadeslayer> and how does it work :P
[21:05] <shadeslayer> ( again where is the kode ;) )
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> well, you don't exactly need to know *how* it works, but how to use it
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> playground/libs/libqapt
[21:05] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: basically it provides functions to muon?
[21:05] <shadeslayer> for installing stuff
[21:06] <shadeslayer> and all the other features we use :D
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> It has functions for marking things for install, installing them, and getting info about packages and the general state of the package system
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> tomorrow is feature/string freeze, btw
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> with a 1.0 release a month from tomorrow
[21:07] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: no problem.. im just studying kode for now,and looking at learning something rather than forwarding patches :P
[21:08] <shadeslayer> and fixing bugs if ican
[21:08] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: also.. which files do i need to look at to get started?
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> libdebconf-kde-dev from my ppa, then whatever cmake sez
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> which I believe is xapian, polkit-qt-1, and kdelibs5-dev
[21:09] <shadeslayer> in terms of the files you put in muon i mean.. not the libraries :D
[21:09] <shadeslayer> like which file is launched first? ( main.cpp? ) and after that which file?
[21:10]  * shadeslayer is currently looking at MainWindow.cpp
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> oh
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> yeah, main starts the event loop and such and creates the main window object
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> mainwindow loads all the various widgets
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> and initializes all the backend bits and connects them all up
[21:16] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ok,and what feature is muon missing? :D
[21:16] <ulysses> it's not telepathic
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:17] <shadeslayer> ulysses: hehe
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> what feature do you think it is missing? that might be the best way to go about it
[21:19] <shadeslayer> well... idk to be honest.. looks pretty good to me.. but the empty space when it installs stuff... that bothers me :D
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> I honestly don't know what could be put there to make it more exciting :P
[21:20] <shadeslayer> maybe we can create a new window after it downloads the stuff... and installs
[21:20] <shadeslayer> and.. add a option to see detailed konsole output
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> konsole output is going to be some pretty deep black magic
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> not sure if I can implement that, even
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> not trivial at all
[21:22] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:23] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: and you mentioned a seprate updater app
[21:23] <shadeslayer> maybe i can help there...
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> yes, I want to do some refactoring to the main window class so that the updater and main window can share some code
[21:23] <shadeslayer> hmm...
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> basically make a subclassable MuonMainWindow class of sorts, that does all the connection to the QApt backend
[21:23]  * shadeslayer would have to look at main window class then
[21:24] <shadeslayer> hmm.. then we can subclass two classes,one for updater app and one for the whole of muon
[21:25] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: you will have to explain some kode to me btw :D
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> I'll try my besgt
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> -g
[21:27] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: thanks.. 
[21:27] <shadeslayer> mail to kdiff3 ML sent as well
[21:27] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: btw that bzr branch will make kdiff3 build,but is not the proper way to fix the package
[21:27] <shadeslayer> ( what i interpret from pinotree's statement )
[21:28] <shadeslayer> so i sent a mail to kdiff3 to fix their docbooks ...
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> if the kdiff3 team doesn't make a new release before we release, we will either have to upload that fix our patch out the docs entirely
[21:28] <shadeslayer> hmm..
[21:28] <shadeslayer> lets see