[06:23] <kwwii> morning
[08:30] <zniavre> good morning
[08:30] <zniavre> does the new indicator-sound will keep this buttons  (rew/play/forw)  ?
[08:45] <thorwil> zniavre: i suspect those haven't been added light-heartedly and thus will stay
[08:51] <zniavre> i hope they are not "hardcoded"
[08:52] <zniavre> i mean a possible way to change them easily
[09:00] <thorwil> zniavre: do you have issues with the functionality or just the looks?
[09:12] <zniavre> just the looks
[09:22] <thorwil> zniavre: a bit heavy, right? :)
[09:22] <zniavre> i do not know exactly but i dislike this rounded "stuff"
[09:24] <vish> morn!
[09:24] <vish> zniavre, just the man i was looking for!
[09:25] <vish> zniavre: the disabled items in the menu depend on which item?
[09:25] <vish> no one other than the two of us uses a dark theme :D
[09:28] <vish> zniavre: how do i change this > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot.png
[09:28] <vish> the paste is disabled , but i forgot which controls that! :s
[09:33] <zniavre> inactive things no N
[09:33] <zniavre> ?
[09:36] <vish> zniavre: yeah , the inactive.. but i'v tried everything! and it doesnt change.. :(
[09:36] <zniavre> ha?
[09:36] <zniavre> i hav to go sorry (baby sitting ON)
[09:36] <vish> hmm , i'm using pixmap engine.. maybe thats the fault?
[09:37] <vish> np..
[09:37] <zniavre> i do not know pixmap engine
[09:37] <vish> cool..
[09:52] <zniavre> inactive > insensitive **
[09:52] <zniavre> fg[INSENSITIVE]	= darker (@bg_color)  it's for murrine engine
[09:57] <kwwii> currently the sounds stuff if not themeable
[09:58] <kwwii> but it will be, to some extent, later on
[10:03] <vish> yeah , i did the fg-insensitive thingy.. but i'm missing something else :(
[10:04] <vish> kwwii: hi, any reason the new theme is becoming greyish.. ?
[10:04]  * vish liked #F0EBE2
[10:04] <vish> or atleast got used to it ;)
[10:07] <kwwii> vish: because it was too saturated :-)
[10:07] <kwwii> vish: but it is too grey now
[10:07] <kwwii> vish: there will be an update coming very soon
[10:08] <vish> hehe , now we are too desaturated :D
[10:08] <vish> or greyscale! ;)
[10:09] <kwwii> yeah
[10:09] <vish> neat!
[10:11] <kwwii> at least for maverick there are no secrets :-)
[10:38] <zniavre> vish maybe you wrote fg insensitive twice and it should be the same value for both of them ?
[10:38] <zniavre> as default settings and single widget for menus *
[10:39] <zniavre> (this channel must be in french, i feel so dumb in english ...)  ^^
[10:39] <vish> zniavre: hmm , i'm able to change the fg sensitive , but the text behind it , I'm not able to control , its always white
[10:39] <vish> zniavre: nah , your english isnt bad :)
[10:40] <vish> oh wait! i got it!
[10:40] <kwwii> zniavre: your english is quite good
[10:41] <vish> zniavre: i needed "widget_class "*.<GtkLabel>"   style "inactivetext" "
[10:42] <vish> that i set it to an engine mist ,and wiped it out :)
[10:42] <zniavre> is it special pixmap engine ?
[10:43] <vish> zniavre: nah , you can set it as engine murrine too
[10:43] <zniavre> a ok
[10:43] <vish> style "inactivetext"
[10:43] <vish> {
[10:43] <vish> engine "murrine"
[10:43] <vish>  	{
[10:43] <vish> 	}
[10:43] <vish> }
[10:43] <vish> widget_class "*.<GtkLabel>" style "inactivetext"
[10:44] <vish> zniavre: thats what i have now^ , it took out the secondary text shadow
[10:44] <kwwii> btw, you can turn the 3D effect on or off as well
[10:44] <vish> kwwii: how is that?
[10:44] <vish> the above was how i turned the shadow off..^
[10:45] <kwwii> ahhh, sorry...I meant you can turn it on for all things
[10:46] <kwwii> with textstyle=1 as a murrine option
[10:46] <kwwii> unsetting the insensitive text stuff should turn it off
[10:46] <vish> cool!
[10:56] <kwwii> time for a break...bbl
[14:02] <GreenDotQ> Hi! I'm one of Ubuntu Linux users. I read about artwork in official site, and, i think, i can help community. I work with Photoshop 2 years, and my knowledge in this are good. But in linux i'm new, and i can help only with art..
[14:03] <GreenDotQ> if you want my help, you can write to me... verts007@inbox.lv
[14:08] <kwwii> wow, he might have wanted to stay around and actually talk to someone
[14:08] <thorwil> 0.o
[14:12] <thorwil> kwwii: i guess there are lots of people out there who share common misconceptions about how all this works. a from their mindset to ours documentation would be interesting, but optimistic as i am, a 1 in a million yield is not worth much effort :)
[14:16] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, indeed
[14:16] <kwwii> thorwil: I guess the problem is that everyone thinks they can do art
[14:16] <kwwii> only people who prove they can code do it, really
[14:17] <kwwii> I mean, two years experience with photoshop tells me absolutely nothing about what a person can do
[14:18] <thorwil> kwwii: it makes me afraid of dealing with someone who thinks every problem is a nail (photshop = hammer), actually
[14:18] <kwwii> true
[14:18] <kwwii> well, anyone who can really do art is not going to explain their experience by saying "two years with photoshop"
[14:19] <kwwii> the fact is, photoshop is seen as one of "the" tools to use
[14:19] <kwwii> but saying I have used a hammer is different than showing the furniture I made with it
[14:26] <kwwii> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Artwork_Supplemental_Wallpapers_Submissions
[14:26] <kwwii> the fedora wallpaper contest
[18:07] <kopp_> Hi!
[18:08] <kopp_> I would like to ask how it will look like Ubuntu 10.10
[18:11] <kopp_> someone?
[18:11] <kopp_> SOMEONE?
[18:11] <kopp_> SOMEONE?!
[18:12] <kopp_> anybody?????
[18:12] <kopp_> iainfarrell, Hi!
[18:12] <kopp_> Hi!
[18:12] <kopp_> anybody?????
[18:12] <kopp_> SOMEONE?
[18:21] <knome> !patience | kopp_
[18:21] <ubot2> kopp_: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org while you wait.
[18:22] <knome> in this case, nobody probably just isn't here.
[18:25] <vish> knome: lmao!
[18:26] <vish> we  need nobody!
[18:26] <knome> hmm
[18:27] <kopp_> I would like to ask how it will look like Ubuntu 10.10?
[18:29] <vish> kopp_: not sure it the design team gives an exemption for you , but the usual state of affairs is: when the design is ready it will be shown to all
[18:30] <vish> so , there are normally no sneak previews / promos / teasers :)
[18:35] <kopp_> I see
[18:35] <kopp_> Very interested in how it will look 10.10
[18:37] <vish> kopp_: me too . :)