[01:36] for some reason I can not install lts 10.04 i have one 19gig empty one partition harddrive there is nothing on it and when I run ubuntu cd live it say this computer has only 0 bytes disk space remaining please help [01:37] I also got other codes [01:39] any one here able to help [01:39] hello Ger [01:39] hi [01:39] so, when you open up Grub it shows nothing? [01:40] have not oped grub [01:40] opened [01:41] I tried reformating harddrive with win xp then install on top no luck [01:41] err, I mean GParted [01:41] :X [01:41] I deleted win have a clean harddrive went to partition editor and made one partition [01:42] yes [01:42] did it create the partition? [01:42] I created one partition [01:42] no partion [01:43] is the disk mounted? [01:43] the harddrive is seen on top as 19 gig [01:43] i unmounted [01:43] <_CommandeR_> Hi guys, question does ubuntu partitioner aligt partitions properly ? [01:44] why would it show up as 0 bytes disk space remaining [01:44] what type of partition is it? [01:44] file system [01:44] ? [01:44] what's the file system? [01:44] ntfs [01:44] format it to ext4 [01:45] it was that i changed it to ext 2 nothing worked [01:45] when you start the ubuntu installer, have you tried selecting "use entire disk"? [01:46] I tried both [01:46] install to harddrive and live [01:46] are you accessing from the same computer? [01:47] no [01:47] ok, so is it on the live cd? [01:48] I can get their but it is not on now [01:48] please do [01:48] i have used it on the live cd very slow with trailing cursor [01:48] is it a PC or a laptop? [01:48] problem is only one screen [01:49] pc [01:49] what graphics card? [01:49] <_CommandeR_> pedro3005, do you know if the ubuntu partition creator aligns the partition correctly to the harddrive so it will be splitted on even blocks ? [01:49] i would have to find out [01:50] how do I do that [01:50] _CommandeR_, I think you may set it to do so [01:50] Ger, lspci [01:50] I am lost [01:51] winxp installed no problem i deleted it and formated [01:52] so let's go step by step [01:52] when you boot ubuntu and select live CD [01:52] is it slow? [01:52] I had earlier version of ubuntu on maching6.06 [01:52] yes very [01:52] hm... [01:53] Ger, would you happen to know your computer specs? [01:53] 6.o6 i did upgrades on line up to 8.ver and they ran good [01:54] Ger, I mean how much RAM, processor, etc [01:54] the system requirements are ok my ram is small 330 [01:54] you are attempting to install 10.04? [01:54] i have over 256 [01:55] yes from disk when I tried on line I could not do it so I ordered disk [01:56] could it be mother board bug [01:57] dell pc [01:57] about 9years old [01:58] pedro you still there [01:58] Ger, you see, the recommended RAM for 10.04 is 512 MB. Now, you may be able to run it with less, but you'd need to do some modifications [01:59] first, you can try using the alternate install CD. and I would advise to use something other than GNOME [01:59] I have the disk in front of me and it say 256 ram [01:59] how would I do that [02:00] Ger, does your PC have a model number or something? [02:00] yes [02:00] which is it? [02:00] dell dimension xps t600 [02:01] intel pentium3 [02:01] i have been at this for hours [02:02] Does anyone here know if 10.04 can run under 256 mb and 600 MHz? [02:02] I got other codes when I tried to install to harddrive [02:03] what do you mean by codes? [02:04] ubi-partman failed with exit code 10 [02:05] futher inormation may be found in /var/log/syslog [02:06] i closed that one then another opened ubi-console setupfailed with the exit code 1 [02:08] Ger, you can attempt to use the solutions provided here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1498417 [02:09] namely, "By changing the F6 Other ... at the initial screen, to nodmraid the problem was overcome." [02:11] oh more people in here than I thought there would be [02:11] should I hit a f6 at the first screen when it asks which install I want [02:11] hello sebsebseb again! [02:11] zkriesse: yeah hi [02:11] Ger, yeah, I believe that's it [02:11] that is a hidden menu [02:12] you need to add the option "nodmraid" [02:12] where and when [02:12] sebsebseb, it is populated but mainly much quieter than #ubuntu [02:12] pedro3005: yeah and not as known [02:12] Ger, when you hit F6 at the menu [02:13] which menu [02:13] the boot menu [02:13] where i pick to live cd or harddrive install [02:13] yeah, that one [02:15] it does not say anything about f6 there iwas looking how to get to other install I read about textmode install but do not know where to find it or how to do it [02:16] Ger, wait a moment please [02:17] pedro3005: Do you help out in here? Or just here at the moment for support? [02:17] I'm a member [02:17] so, always here [02:17] oh I didn't know you did Ubuntu support, well now I do then :D [02:18] so this is mainly a support channel or what? I notice from the wiki their are a few others. and then the forums has its beginers channel as well or whatever. uh so many Ubuntu channels [02:19] this exact channel is for ubuntu support [02:19] well not much good really, when most of the noobs don't even know about it? [02:21] Ger, ok, help me out here. When you boot ubuntu, what are the options it gives at the initial screen? [02:21] I guess this channel can be used sometimes, when newbies want a smaller channel for support in [02:21] only two install to harddrive or live cd [02:22] Ger: What are you trying to do, install Ubuntu? [02:22] it says something about running alongside another os [02:22] pedro3005: So you help out in here quite a bit or? and since #ubuntu is to busy for you? [02:22] sebsebseb, yeah I'm not normally even on #ubuntu [02:23] I am, but its not really the best channel for beginners, very busy [02:23] normally the issues that people are having there, will look complex to newbies, which could put them off, Ubuntu as well [02:23] Ger, if you press F6, nothing happens at all? [02:23] you can press e i think it is at grub screen to set biit options [02:24] duanedesign, this is on the LiveCD though [02:24] *boot [02:24] so no GRUB, I think [02:24] I will try it but it is not offered [02:24] ohh [02:25] my old 6.06 offeed different options at startup [02:25] offered [02:25] I mean, according to this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#Dmraid%20active%20by%20default%20on%20Desktop%20CD , F6 should work [02:26] pedro3005: Why are some of the people voiced? [02:26] sebsebseb, members of the team [02:26] you think I can do it with the old ver 6.06 [02:26] oh [02:26] Ger, wait, I figured it out [02:26] f6 did not work? [02:27] pedro3005: well I am not so sure, what the team is, from the wki [02:27] ok, when you boot, press F6.. you should see a screen with "Try ubuntu without installing" amongst other stuff [02:27] press F6 again, a drop down menu should appear. use the keys and navigate to nodmraid [02:27] pedro3005: already only seen main page so far [02:28] pedro3005: ok lets chat in the other channel then [02:28] after I click nodmraid what should I do [02:29] Ger, is it booting? [02:29] I will try it give me a few min I have to change machines [02:30] if I loose you will you be here tomorrow [02:33] Ger, sure [02:33] it worked i highlighted it [02:34] i hit enter and nothing how do i get it to run [02:34] Ger, it went to a black screen? [02:35] oh [02:35] ok [02:35] You press enter at nodmraid [02:35] I hit the f6 window open in lower right courner with a few thing i click on nomraid then what [02:35] it should have a cross in it [02:35] then you press ESC [02:35] and install ubuntu [02:36] give me afew min\ [02:38] it won't run [02:39] the window is not in color black and white when i hit enter acpi get an x in front of it it is the first item [02:40] esc closed the small window [02:40] right, now run "Install Ubuntu" [02:41] ok [02:41] be back [02:42] do i want acpt with an x or no x [02:42] acpt [02:42] acpi [02:42] acpi=off [02:44] Ger, no, only mark nodmraid [02:47] anyone know how to make a ram disk in Linux? [02:48] cprofitt: i know how to format a blank disk in linux! :D [02:48] hello Sary [02:48] yeah this person wants to take some of their ram and turn it in to a disk [02:48] they are in #ubuntu-us [02:49] cprofitt: what does -us do? [02:49] it is a channel for all -us teams [02:49] cprofitt: as in loco teams? [02:50] yes [02:50] oh [02:54] thanks for checking it out [03:30] if I were looking to point a student at an irc channel for people learning to use the terminal, would this be it? [03:30] armorsmith42: yes [03:31] mmk, I wasn't sure if it was more geared toward people using the GUI stuff or not. [03:34] armorsmith42: it's a team dedicated to help the new users [03:34] armorsmith42: so both really [03:35] Hi, does anyone here living in China? I'm wondering how i could get around of the GFW and be able to get access to Youtube [03:35] like using proxy? [03:42] search synaptic for proxies [03:43] Please note that #ubuntu-beginners is not a lawyer and cannot be respondsible if you end up in jail or worse. [03:46] xiaogui: are you in china? [03:46] en, actually, i'm Chinese. :) [03:47] so is that a yes to living in china? [03:49] sorry, yes [03:49] ok, well you will know the internet censorship laws better than i and i thin proxies may be blocked by govt [03:50] yeah, it used to work but not now, so i'm trying to find another way [03:50] there is also tor. http://www.torproject.org/ please be careful [03:51] xiaogui: if it doesnt work theres probably a reason for it [03:51] thanks, i'll have a look :) [03:51] and the reason is it's blocked... :-( [03:54] Funny, i don't have access to http://www.torproject.org/ :\ [03:55] hello [03:56] yax51: yes [03:56] xiaogui: of course you don't [03:57] I jst updated to ubuntu 10.04 and now my sound doesn't work and I can't remember how to set it up again [03:57] xiaogui: By the way I can go on Youtube if I want to, but its a site that I hardly ever go on, and would live quite happily without :) [03:58] If there's anything i don't like China, it's the internet control by the gov. :( [03:59] sebsebseb: U don't live in China, do you? [03:59] xiaogui: nope [04:00] yax51: best i can give ya: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449&highlight=sound+troubleshoot [04:00] thanks! [04:00] but don't get me wrong, i love my country, just not the internet here. [04:00] doctormo: what brings you round these parts? ;) [04:00] xiaogui: Where? [04:01] xiaogui: Maybe one day you can move to a country where Youtube isn't blocked. I woudn't recommend trying to get round something, that your goverment has set up, even if you don't agree with it. [04:01] doctormo: ? [04:01] sipherdee: I was drugged and kidnapped by paultag on a trip around Boston. [04:01] doctormo: tab fail :D [04:02] doctormo: and we are referring to china [04:02] xiaogui: Also recently Google and China had problems, which is probably partly the reason for why Youtube is blocked. [04:02] xiaogui: Since Google own Youtube [04:03] sebsebseb: Well civil disobedience has it's place so long as the person conducting it understands the risks and reasons. America would never have been free of British rule without it. [04:03] sebsebseb: i'd really love to experience a different life outside of China, but i can't afford that at the moment. I just graduated in June. [04:04] doctormo: china is quite different in reacting to civil disobedience [04:05] Away(preparing for lunch) [04:05] stlsaint: More different than public hanging, flogging, being shipped to Australia or just shot? [04:05] doctormo: aye, but all behind closed doors [04:05] stlsaint: I [04:06] doctormo: thanks for bit on user day! [04:06] stlsaint: I'll give you that the British didn't mind doing their flogging in the open, still I say if you know the risks it's your own free choice to not-cooperate Ghandi style. [04:06] yvw [04:07] doctormo: i would agree with most situations but i feel that china would be highly intolerant to ghandi! [04:10] great sound works....but not the headphone jack, but there doesn't seem to be anything about configuring that here.... [04:12] stlsaint: It wasn't just ghandi you know, he did have the spiritual pride of his country and lots of people who were killed too. I don't like China either, but I think in the west we've become far too attached to safety over freedom in terms of government. Although I believe the culture in China is very different from India so it's probably not the same thought there. [04:12] yax51: sorry i couldnt be of more help [04:12] no no no it was very helpful....at least I have sound again... [04:12] doctormo: im in the Army...i dont put too much above freedom [04:12] butat least you sent me to the right place to look and for that I am grateful [04:13] yax51: :D glad to help [04:13] stlsaint: which one? [04:14] doctormo: Army [04:15] stlsaint: There is more than one, or are you a UN peace keeper / something centralised like in starship troppers? [04:16] doctormo: oh sorry, no im in the U.S Army [04:16] stlsaint: Ah, I know plenty of people who went into the Royal battalions in the British Army, so you never know. [04:16] stlsaint, peace =] [04:16] doctormo: nice [04:17] mohi1: :) [04:18] stlsaint, sup? [04:22] anyone here? [04:22] yes [04:22] sup [04:22] doctormo: hey how does one get rss feed from your site? [04:23] stlsaint: Which site? doctormo.org? [04:23] sup guys, I am middle in my installation of kubuntu and well it ask or begs for a swap partition during install [04:24] commander_: you must be setting your partitions manually yes? [04:24] may I assign a swap partition after the installation? Because i want to secure erase my raid array and then if i need add swap on that drive. [04:24] stlsaint, ye [04:24] Got an SSD so swap on it would not be optimal [04:24] commander_: swap doesn't need to be huge.. 1 gig.. or 2x of ram but no more than 4 gig [04:24] yes but several rights and reads would wear the SSD [04:25] writes* [04:25] true.. can you carve a little out of another drive? [04:25] commander_: what are you installing on? [04:25] installing root and home on SSD [04:25] got 4gb of ram, but dunno if it is enough. [04:26] commander_: i meant what type of system? [04:26] PC? [04:26] home gets more action than swap does in most cases [04:26] commander_: yes [04:27] stlsaint, want to know the system spec or ? [04:27] he might mean file system type [04:27] well gonna have Ext4 on it. [04:27] for now it is a non partitioned drive. [04:27] commander_: just what kind of system/(notebook, laptop IE; hp pavillion dv6000 or whatever) [04:28] or is it a netbook? [04:29] normal PC, Asus m4a79t deluxe motherboard, with Radeon 5970, 2xWestern Digital Raptor 150 Drives raid 0, 1tb WD caviar drive and Corsair Force120 SSD [04:30] would not dare to install kde on a netbook :P [04:30] there is a version for them [04:30] rmx ? [04:30] commander_: why may i ask are you wanting to installing / and swap to a ssd? [04:30] root? [04:30] commander_: if you're going to zero out the raid array anyway.. I think you can do that from a live cd... [04:31] well swap i want to avoid installing on my ssd and then maybe install it, if I have to on my raid drive [04:32] commander_: how big you say that ssd is? [04:32] 120GB [04:32] or GiB not sure. [04:33] alright there are some ups and down to it....for starters you probably WONT want to use ext filesystem due to excessive writes [04:33] now im no expert on the subject so of course google will be our friend [04:33] hm heard that ext4 have trim support [04:34] also that i should have the command -notime so it would not write datestamps or something [04:35] commander_: what issue are you having? or are you asking for advice? [04:35] stlsaint, noatime in fstab, [04:35] hey what was that link for sound issues again? [04:36] yax51: best i can give ya: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449&highlight=sound+troubleshoot [04:36] stlsaint, well if I can make a swap drive after installation on another drive, and if I have to when I got 4B of ram [04:36] thanks [04:36] commander_: swap does NOT pull from your ram (jfyi) [04:37] commander_: why would you need two swap partitions? just put it on whatever drive you ultimately want it on [04:37] commander_: if you installing on drive A and later want it on drive B than you can delete swapA and create swapB with livecd [04:37] als o if you do use ext3/4 you can limit disk writes with a guide like this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=839998 [04:38] duanedesign: i had that guide, was waiting to paste it :D [04:38] commander_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=839998 [04:39] stlsaint, I wont create 2 swap spaces, so far i manually did a partition for / with 8GB and /home 10GB then when i continued the installer ask if I am sure not to add a swap drive because it makes better use of the RAM when there is one. [04:40] commander_: correct, a base install will require a root partition and a swap partition, a seperate /home is not mandatory [04:40] commander_: may i ask why you are only using 10gb for home when you have 1tb drive? unless you have seperate "data" drive [04:41] the 1tb drive is one big partition and almost full :) [04:41] stlsaint, the tb drive will be a data drive. [04:42] commander_: just some advice, 8gb should be plenty for root but 10gb for home, you may run out of space rather quickly [04:43] stlsaint, but home is more likely for settings etc. most of my data would be on my raid array. Or so i thought. [04:43] doctormo: ping [04:43] doctormo: did you catch my rss feed question? [04:46] stlsaint, what do you think ? [04:47] commander_: really its up to you and your drive space that you have [04:47] commander_: for instance i have a 200gb drive on lappy.... [04:48] i dual boot two linux flavors...30gb goes to one distro and the rest to ubuntu [04:48] i give 15gb to root, 2gb swap and the rest to home [04:48] stlsaint: there is also this thread by sdennie on the same topic (power saving/reduce disk activity) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=847773 [04:48] oh sorry and i give 200mb to /boot :D [04:48] duanedesign: yep, got that one too ;) [04:49] brb folks [04:49] d'oh thought i found one you might not have , :D [04:49] hehe not this time [04:49] hm maybe will try that on my laptop [04:49] HP computer have a bad quality battery for their computers. [04:50] would be awesome to have a longer life than 3 hours :) [04:50] OT though, duanedesign, For what I know it is possible to change /home partition right? === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as mohi1 === mohi1 is now known as 15SAAJGOH === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as mohi1 [05:08] ok so I was able to find and install the audio drivers I needed successfully, however I am having issues with the final part of the process.... [05:09] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449&highlight=sound+troubleshoot [05:13] specifically step 4.....I keep getting this error message: WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf.save, it will be ignored in a future release. [05:19] hmmm in alsamixer it's not even detecting a headphone jack..... [05:22] well it's detecting it but it appears to be disabled... [05:22] anybody here that can help? [05:30] hmmm....i can mute the headphone port and it mutes the speakers.... [05:30] any idead? [05:30] ideas? [05:33] yax51: I'm only guessing, but it looks like the filename above is wrong [05:33] yax51, See System -> preferences -> sound and check the output there [05:34] yax51: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf.save should be "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf" (i.e. without the ".save" on the end of the filename) [05:34] kermiac, hi. I forgot to scroll up :D [05:35] ok.....the output is currently on analog speakers and when I switch it to analog headphone I get nothing [05:35] hi there mohi1 :) [05:35] and nothing with analog output either [05:36] how do i launch ati control panel from terminal ? [05:36] yax51, see what kermiac said. I was not noticing the above reports [05:37] commander_: Try "amdxdg-su -c amdcccle" (w/o quotes) [05:38] thats odd I get a bad file name, I am using the command : sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel (the hda-intel is my sound card) [05:39] kermiac, it bring s the same thing as from menu the issue is that after entering my password it disappears and nothing is happening [05:39] launching control panel without admin rights shows it. [05:40] yax51: have you gone through the links in [05:40] !sound [05:40] If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [05:41] yax51: also, have you made sure your headphones aren't muted in alsamixer? [05:42] yes.....in alsamixer they show that they are on, but there is no volume bar like the rest of the devices that are working [05:42] commander_: when launching the control center from a terminal, does it display any error message? [05:42] kermiac, nopp nothing [05:43] kermiac, usual one works from menu, the admin one is asking for a password but after typing it and pressing enter is shows something really fast and dissapears. [05:43] kermiac, if i launch it from terminal it just goes back to promts [05:45] kermiac, hm after several tries to read the text that disappears it is typing; authentication failed or fails not sure exactly [05:45] well let me try to purge and reinstall and see if that does anything [05:46] yax51: what does "lspci | grep Audio" (from a terminal window show) [05:46] commander_: "authentication failed" means it doesn't recognise your password. [05:47] kermiac, but I am typing the right one... [05:47] it works for all other apps. [05:47] commander_: do other functions that require sudo privalages work? i.e. synaptic [05:47] yea [05:47] sudo su works.. [05:47] ok [05:48] kermiac: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) [05:49] commander_: what happens if you kill it first "sudo killall amdcccle", then run "amdxdg-su -c amdcccle" [05:50] commander_: that's still grasping at straws, I've never heard of that happening before :( [05:51] kermiac, nopp [05:51] for notice I run Kubuntu x64bit [05:52] but the usual control panel works but i cannot manage my display settings and that is why i want to run the root one. [05:52] commander_: can you try opening it in a guest account or another user's account? [05:53] commander_: I'm not sure if Kubuntu x64 would make a difference, i don't think it would [05:53] hm, i have no other accounts. [05:53] it is vanilla kde installment. [05:53] commander_: you could also try "gksu amdcccle" [05:54] hm gksu is not installed, is there a kde variant ? [05:55] hm it is kdesu [05:56] commander_: another thing to try, have you run "aticonfig --initial" yet? I've heard it can do weird things if you don't do that [05:56] check out the new sound applet in 10.10 http://ln-s.net/7FiO [05:56] nopp will try, [05:57] "unable to find any supported screen sections" [05:57] commander_: you will need to rename your xorg.conf [05:58] sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.OLD [05:58] commander_: ^^ [05:59] ok [05:59] did a initial after that and got, "could not find config file, trying to create empty one, failed to create empty one" [05:59] hm sudo for initial right? [06:00] commander_: ok, one sec. I will find the instructions [06:00] WAIT!!!! [06:00] sorry, I've got to go (I'm at work) can someone pls find the fglrx install instructions for commander? [06:01] its detecting an intel hda device....however I am using a realtek hda device....therefore its not going to work properly until it can find the correct device!!!!! [06:02] so the question is.....how do I find my realtek device? [06:02] kermiac, hm but I installed ATi drivers from restricted, should it not work by then ? [06:05] commander_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI [06:07] commander_: which ati card do you have? [06:08] duanedesign, 5970 [06:08] duanedesign, also fglrxinfo gives me right info [06:08] display 0:0 screen0, ATI inc, radeon 5900 series, version 3.2.9756 [06:08] yax51: the warning about adding .conf to the files is just a warning [06:09] yax51: you should add .conf to the end of the files eventually though [06:09] duanedesign, fglrx-amdcccle gives command not found. [06:10] true, but it wasnt working.....I find the drivers I need however.....can't remember how to install them... [06:14] hm sudo amdcccle works. [06:14] ok so I downloaded the linux package for realtek hda but can't remember how to install it....any help [06:14] the file is: LinuxPkg_5.14rc5.tar.bz2 [06:16]