[00:24] czajkowski: I think the bot has been broken re: posting for a few weeks [00:24] czajkowski: best bet is probably just to look at irclogs.ubuntu.com [00:55] czajkowski: looking for me? [00:55] * jcastro had amazing chicken pasta for dinner === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim [01:26] pleia2: I log everything locally too, it would just be nice if we had something nicely formatted :) [01:26] highvoltage: yeah, I'm not sure if anyone has nudged the scribes team, but it hasn't posted anything since jun 22 === maco is now known as maco2 [02:44] ello all paultag I'm back [03:24] doctormo: heyya [03:24] doctormo: told you I was in here [03:27] doctormo: I broke my phone on the T [03:28] sadness [03:28] hey pleia2 :) [03:28] hey paultag :) [03:28] Get this, the numpad won't work [03:28] so the only way it works is if I press the hangup / power button [03:29] nice [03:29] my best guess is that it's a CPU interupt, and it must read [03:29] so to dial out I have to hit ( and hold ) power and then hit dial twice [03:29] hehe [03:29] pleia2: so, how are you? [03:29] how long did it take you to figure that out? [03:29] pleia2: about 45 minutes or so [03:29] I'm good, my inbox is miraculously down to *4* emails! [03:29] hehe [03:29] pleia2: and I had no ride back ( and I needed to call my sister! ) [03:29] aww [03:30] pleia2: w00t!!! I just thinned down to 2 by making myself an application [03:30] pleia2: I now tell people to not email, but rather to queue me :) [03:30] hah [03:30] I do quite like email [03:31] pleia2: http://queue.paultags.com/ <-- wrote this this morning because I did not want to write more frik'n website filler [03:31] pleia2: it registers the item for my queue, and email notifies me. I get the email and mark the email read. No more annoying unread email / star email issues :D [03:31] must resist temptation to abuse [03:31] pleia2: it can ban by IP / IP Range >:D [03:31] lol [03:32] that's neat [03:32] people in the california channel were just talking about todo lists this morning [03:32] pleia2: I'll foss and publish it when it's done. It has some really nice features :) [03:32] pleia2: oh? [03:32] nhaines told us about http://www.tiddlywiki.com/ which is pretty neato [03:33] nice :) [03:39] oh so pleia2, doctormo refered to the UBT as the Ubuntu Mafia [03:39] haha, I am not sure what to make of that :) [03:39] pleia2: because of the amount of members on the team in big places / councils [03:40] we haven't killed anyone lately... [03:40] oh that [03:40] not that they've found [03:40] :) [03:40] pleia2: never really thought about it, but we do have a lot of notable members :D [03:41] it's actually quite a nice story, it all happened quite organically [03:41] sure is pleia2 [03:41] it wasn't like big people were particularly drawn to it, most of them grew up with the team [03:41] +1 :D [03:42] ubt? [03:42] b=bayarea? [03:42] beginners team [03:43] maco: ubuntu beginners team, w00t w00t! [03:43] ahh [03:44] :) [03:44] maco: we're like a mafia, according to doctormo [03:45] maco: pleia2, duanedesign here are both UBT :) [03:45] maco: same was nigelb [03:45] ddecator: too :) [03:45] and nhandler <3 [03:45] oh yes, and cjohnston for a while [03:45] but he's a quitter ;P [03:45] wow, there are a lot of UBT folks here [03:45] pleia2: yeah >:( [03:45] pleia2: same with nigelb [03:46] the team does have pretty high expectations [03:46] pleia2: mm, that's true. [03:46] true pleia2 [03:46] i hope the email isent out will spur a discussion as to best to accomplish those goals [03:47] pleia2: Well paultag says I said it was like the maffia, what I meant was more like the pidgins from animaniacs. [03:47] doctormo: hahaha [03:47] wow, there are a lot of UBT folks herehaha [03:47] paultag: release early release often, get your todo'er code into launchpad stat [03:48] doctormo: lp? fsck that, github! :) [03:48] paultag: Ah, your no fun, put it in github and then set it up to sync to launchpad :-P [03:48] +1 [03:48] doctormo: can it do that? [03:48] The problem with github is that's it's closed sourced :-/ boo. [03:48] +1 doctormo [03:49] but I love git so much [03:49] wow really? [03:49] pleia2: yeah it really ticked me off [03:49] first the debian font is proprietary, then github is closed source, my world is a mess this week! [03:49] pleia2: there are bits that are f/oss, but not much [03:49] lol [03:49] doctormo: can you really sync the two? [03:49] *and* I contributed docmentation to the FSF, it really is a weird week :) [03:50] oh doctormo, were you interested in the UBT? [03:50] paultag: Sync from any git branch to the launchpad project, you might have to sync the other way manually, best thing to do is to look at bzr branches and generate patch sets. [03:50] doctormo: i'll look into that for sure [03:52] paultag: http://imagebin.ca/view/xHByY6.html [03:52] oh killer [03:52] doctormo: I'll set that up now, I think [03:53] pleia2: It's funny but practicality is being weighed and measured all the time, sometimes it's easier to go with the solution that works or looks nice rather than the pure and happy idealism. [03:53] doctormo: we were just talking about this :D [03:54] doctormo: sure, I'm a practicalist, it's just interesting given the committment to freedom in certain arenas and less in others [03:54] pleia2: Of course I've always thought of idealism as the purity that you always aim for, the thing you know is right and you may never be allowed to achieve but somehow you work towards it and bash your practical problems against it. [03:55] I think that is where great creative solutions come from, the hard nosed idealist arguing with the functional practicalist to make more than one person happy. [03:55] pleia2: The debian logo thing could still be fixed, but I guess the idea is that the svg is foss, so why bother. [03:56] pleia2: As for github, yea I backed off from intergrating groundcontrol into github when I learned it was closed. [03:56] * pleia2 nods [03:58] doctormo: so, howabout BT ? [03:58] doctormo: want to hang around with us for a while, and see how you like the folks? [04:00] http://hienhen.deviantart.com/art/So-what-about-me-171189757?q=&qo= <- heh I love the art community, always something awesome to add. [04:00] paultag: Sure [04:00] doctormo: #ubuntu-beginners, and #ubuntu-beginners-team [04:00] doctormo: if / when you get serious about joining, poke me [04:02] Ah that's why I never joined, I could never spell 'beginners', I always tried with begginers. [04:02] :P [04:02] paultag: we should call the volunteer vertigo team begginers [04:02] pleia2: hell yeah :) [04:03] What is volunteer vertigo? [04:03] doctormo: what I was talking about [04:04] doctormo: over the coffee, with over-streaching [04:04] Ah the HR team to stamp on everyone's good mood with a catbert like smile? [04:04] haha yup [04:04] all we need is a snappy name, and a blessing from the community [04:07] -1 [04:07] oh wtf [04:07] why doctormo, are you afraid i'll come after you? [04:07] Yes [04:07] fair enough [04:09] doctormo: I think i'll poke jono a bit later about it, get some feedback, and if there are no major concerns, we try a limited test. If it goes well, we continue, if we fail, we move on with efforts elsewhere :) [04:10] +1 on growing up with the team [04:10] nigelb!! [04:10] paultag: I maintain that having your todo type code thing would be much better than a specific team for HR. Although, having a stronger presence for the council leaders of any team to be known contact points for conflict resolution is the best approach I think. [04:10] hey nigelb [04:10] morning folks :) [04:10] lesson learned, go to bed on time. [04:11] morning nigelb :) [04:11] doctormo: we'll see how it gells. I'm good software side ( writing audit stuff is no problem ) [04:11] I forgot to set my alarm for 4 am, set the time, forgot to switch it *on* [04:11] doctormo: we'll see where people need help and what's helpful. Remove what sucks, keep what's useful, and emerge :) [04:11] nigelb: awwwww [04:11] Well, I'm off for the night [04:11] paultag: im going late. can't walk without completed code [04:11] g'nite [04:11] good night, guys and gals! [04:12] nigelb: hum? [04:12] nigelb: oh noes that's right, you lost code :'( [04:12] yeah [04:12] nigelb: at least oyu know what you are doing now:) [04:12] OK, good night all :) [04:12] doctormo: had fun tonight, cheers [04:12] cya paultag [04:13] paultag: night [04:13] thanks for a great night as always. [04:13] I *hate* banks - they make me fill out so many forms! [04:22] nigelb: Only a credit union is open source :-D [04:30] haha [04:31] I absolutely loath filling out foams [04:31] *forms [04:31] and I never get my signature right when they telll me "it should be same everywhere" [04:37] I've never understood that "same everywhere" thing [04:37] nigelb: It doesn't have to be the same everywhere, there are writing experts that are brought into court to testify if there is a problem because they can tell from the way a stroke is carried though. [04:39] doctormo: I spent the last 4 working days in the bank, at least one hour, even on my birthday [04:39] because on my debit card application, the signature was different :/ [04:42] nigelb: I think I spent some time when I was 12 perfecting my signature, I spend my time on it each time like a work of art. [04:42] doctormo: lol, i thought i was the only one who did that [04:42] doctormo: haha, I hate doing that. I just quickly sign and leave it. [04:43] my signiture is fairly different from when I was 12, but that's because at 12 I could use my hands properly [04:43] some banks are okay, if they realize its "you" doing the signing, they don't bother to check [04:43] nigelb: That may be your problem then :-) Pendulum: Aye that happened to my dad after his hemorrhage. [04:44] some of them are really irritating, they know its you, and they still irritate you :x [04:45] and the bank people act like they're gods - I hate that [04:45] mostly happens in the more older government banks [04:48] I am so glad I use the small town bank of the sort where my best friend's mum works there and I went to school with some of the tellers and with the kids of some of the other employees [04:49] haha [04:49] thats fun [04:50] Pendulum: yes i recently stopped going to a bank where everyone knew me. It has been a pain [04:50] i got used to never needing my ID [04:50] hah [04:51] * duanedesign goes to check on pbuilder [04:51] utter frustration at going to bank = seeing them type [05:10] nhandler: better? http://imagebin.ca/view/cHq96Y.html [05:15] doctormo: Yeah. Will we use it with a white background or transparent? [05:15] nhandler: It already has a transparent background [05:15] :) [05:33] nhandler, nigelb: pleia2 also asked me for ideas on the ubuntu user days branding which you can see here: http://imagebin.ca/view/gKlD87.html [05:37] doctormo: love the user days done :) [05:37] *one [05:38] nigelb: There is 3 different blue ones to choose from. [05:39] Maybe use the hat ones for ubuntu classroom anddo the book one with the sun for ubuntu user days [05:39] I think the man with hat is good for user days [05:46] ~/ws 34 [05:46] arg, window fail all around today [05:56] the new sound applet in 10.10 is sweet http://ln-s.net/7FiO [06:04] yeah, saw jono post something on planet about it [06:59] Morning [07:07] morning kim0 [07:08] ddecator: Hey have a fantastic day :) [07:08] kim0: you as well :D [07:08] :) === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [07:42] good morning all [07:45] Morning man [07:47] good morning [07:47] hey kim0 :) [07:47] morgen dholbach, morgen ara [07:47] hola ara [07:47] hey dpm, hey kim0 [07:47] how are you all doing? [07:47] good morning dholbach, dpm, kim0, all [07:47] good thanks [07:47] started my morning with a bit of German lessons [07:48] oh wow [07:48] ara: dpm: dholbach Have a fantastic morning everyone :) [07:48] what did you learn? [07:48] doing fine. I'm not sure it is still so warm in Germany, but here it definitely is [07:48] I am trying to change the routine and start my morning with German, if not, after a day of work, I am too lazy to learn [07:48] dpm: 25°C right now, going to be 35°C later on [07:48] well, I am still on lesson 4, so... not much :D [07:49] dpm, yesterday was better, it went only up to 29C, it was the first day in many when I could go out just after work [07:50] dholbach: think I'll feel right at home in Berlin :) [07:50] ara: you must be a real morning person then - I'm not sure I could learn much in the morning :) [07:51] ara: I had the same problem in school :-P [07:52] dpm, ara: if my non-presentable counting yesterday would be correct, of 3.5 millions Berlinians, there's like 1 million Spanish people :) [07:53] hehehe, dholbach: where did you go? [07:53] dholbach, what were you exactly counting :) [07:53] dpm: people babbling away in rapid Spanish when I was walking past them :) [07:54] haha [07:54] ara: Wrangelstraße, Mariannenplatz, then to my sister's place, then home :) [07:54] :) [07:59] * nigelb waves to all! [07:59] hey nigelb [07:59] heya! [08:04] hiya nigelb [08:05] dholbach, can I make you a couple of comments related to the ISO testers in the hall of fame? 0:-) [08:06] yes [08:06] if it is not too much work [08:07] the name I give you, it is supposed to be the launchpadid, then: [08:07] translate it to real name (+ link to launchpad page, as the rest) [08:07] if you can't find a equivalent, just skip that one [08:07] "Lance (aka: Erick Brunzell)" isn't :) [08:07] as I told you, I will be asking people to fix that field in their profiles [08:07] dholbach, i.e. ;-) [08:08] I'll add it to my TODO, but I can't guarantee that it's always going to be accurate [08:08] and if it is easy for you, filter the Canonical folks [08:09] dholbach, I was guessing that you would use launchpadlib in the h-o-f and, therefore, it would be easier for you to do this things [08:09] if you don't, I can do it on my side [08:09] I do it [08:11] I was just referring to " Lance (aka: Erick Brunzell)" - if I'd use just "Lance", I'd get to http://launchpad.net/~lance which is "lcniles", so probably the wrong user [08:17] yes, if the user is wrong, like in that case, just skip that one [08:17] don't put it in the list [08:19] ara: ok [08:19] hey jono [08:21] hey dholbach [08:24] did you see this? http://j1m.net/2010/07/13/updating-the-ubuntu-packaging-guide/ [08:24] setting up that survey was great [08:29] * kim0 jono Morning man [08:32] kim0, howdy [08:33] dholbach, that survey is awesome :) [08:33] yep [08:35] Jim has a big interest in getting the packaging guide up to scratch again and gave me lots of feedback on how docs stuff works [08:45] the packaging guide is invaluable. I reference it all the time. That and the Debian maintainers Guide [08:46] the only things that tripped me up at first was the different tools to do the same job. But that comes with the territory i guess [08:47] guess i should be telling this to the survey :) [08:56] night all [09:11] duanedesign: yes, please :) [09:11] duanedesign: but you're right - we have lots of different tools to do the job, I hope we can identify some recommended tools that get the job done everywhere and just mention all the others === qense is now known as seh [09:41] hola randa_ [09:42] hi dholbach [09:57] * sense is the new qense [09:58] noooooooooooooooooooo! [09:59] vish: Don't despair, my personality isn't new! [09:59] I hope. [09:59] sense: finally got your preferred nick ;p [09:59] vish: I've had this nick for a while now after someone suggested to request it to get dropped, but now I've decided I want to 'professionalise' my 'brand'. :P [10:00] ha! [10:03] sense: everyone goes through a rebranding on getting ubuntu membership, I guess your rebranding like your membership is delayed ;) [10:04] nigelb: I am still doubting whether to request the 'sense' username at Launchpad to be handed to me (user registered on 2006 and never did anything) since my 'qense' address is linked to from several files now. [10:04] sense: files = changelogs? [10:05] JFo / maco / jcastro / sense: I missed your conversation yesterday about omg ubuntu. Two things I'd say - there is now omgsuse.. so it's not like they have any kind of allegiance to ubuntu, and secondly I was told (when I asked them to reign in one of their inflammatory posts/comments) that "we don't owe ubuntu anything" [10:05] nigelb: some, and copyright notices in file headers [10:05] sense: ouch, if it were changelogs LP would be able to attribute it to you since its on email ID [10:06] nigelb: It might not be such a big deal, and if I want to change I'd better change now. When I'd wait I'd only have more troubles switching. [10:07] Yes, definitely [10:07] your ubuntu email would be a wreck for 48 hours [10:08] That could cause some problems. :) [10:08] It would work ofcourse [10:10] oh! interesting chat yesterday! [10:12] popey: Is OMG!SUSE! also from the same authors? [10:13] nigelb: actually , the design "slip" was from joey and not humphrey , it was due to a slip up on the mailing lists [10:13] humphrey joined in at OMG!Tabloid only later.. [10:14] aloha [10:14] czajkowski: Good morning. [10:14] sense: why the nick change to confuse me :p [10:15] czajkowski: vish: I've had this nick for a while now after someone suggested to request it to get dropped, but now I've decided I want to 'professionalise' my 'brand'. [10:15] I must be growing up! [10:16] why woyuld someone request for it to be dropped? [10:16] 10:13:17 < vish> nigelb: actually , the design "slip" was from joey and not humphrey , it was due to a slip up on the mailing lists [10:16] no [10:16] it was benjamin [10:16] czajkowski: I did the request, so I could GROUP it. [10:16] sense: ahhh [10:16] slip up?? [10:17] popey: i dont think so ,let me check again :) [10:17] benjamin mentioned it on a mailing list [10:17] joey picked up on that [10:17] popey: yeah , [10:17] well, he was tipped off [10:17] but it was ben that mentioned it in 'public' [10:17] popey: that was the slip on the ML i hinted at [10:18] but "meh", it's all in the past :) [10:18] popey: folks at gnome-design , were envious and wanted to start and OMG!Gnome! too :) [10:18] starting a website is only one part [10:19] but seriously though , its more tabloid stuff.. [10:19] having someone obsessive about new crack as Joey is.. is another matter [10:19] people read tabloids :) [10:19] yup [10:19] a *lot* [10:19] unfortunately [10:19] well [10:20] they are 'people', and forgive me if I'm wrong but 'people' are our target audience for Ubuntu [10:20] we want 'people' to use it, no matter where they find out about it [10:20] humans are just attracted to sensationalism.. [10:20] * sense is just not very fond of tabloids [10:20] meh, me neither [10:20] but then I dont like Bacon+maple syrup [10:20] me neither [10:20] so what do I know [10:21] randa_: morning [10:21] hi czajkowski [10:21] czajkowski: morning :) [10:22] randa_: mind if I pm you stome stuff to look over [11:38] hey dholbach [11:38] hey paultag [11:38] dholbach: I got back to your mail, long and short of it is I think Sam A is full of frak [11:39] dholbach: I think the EMEA made the right call with their gut-check [11:41] paultag: I'll have a look into it, and while I don't exactly know what "full of frak" means, I can only hope it's not too disrespectful [11:41] dholbach: naw, it's not [12:13] when paultag wants to be more disrespectful, he'll use the right words :p [12:15] nigelb: you know me all too well :) [12:16] ;) [12:16] I had to rework all that i lost yesterday, good thing I lost it [12:16] I wrote it better this time :p [12:18] nigelb: be careful, you start to learn if you throw out working 1.0 code beacuse it "stinks" ( real coding term ), you can make a much better 2.0 [12:18] nigelb: that's a big problem in a lot of cases, like where there are deadlines, or you know, you're getting paid to do it [12:19] paultag: actually, I was doing the 1.0 -> 2.0 shift when I lost code [12:19] I did lose 1.0 which was good [12:19] but I also did lose a lot of other work I had committed along with it, that sucked :( [12:19] nigelb: aye [12:46] duanedesign: poke? [12:47] hello nigelb [12:47] duanedesign: Is the UbuntuOne space encrypted? Or the other way round: Is the data sent to the cloud already in encrypted form so that canonical isn't able to access the data even if they would like to? [12:47] nigelb: no it is not [12:48] no encryption at all? [12:49] nigelb: it uses SSL and secure certificates to transmit [12:49] nigelb: To authenticate the desktop software oauth [12:49] duanedesign: dd if dev null of file, mkext3 file, gpg --encrypt file [12:49] nigelb: but it is not stored encrypted [12:50] evilnhandler: fix your connection! [12:50] nigelb: in order to share the folders with someone if you choose. Also to allow for publish by public url [12:50] duanedesign: okay, a dd just asked me [12:50] nigelb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Security [12:51] nigelb: there have been people who have encrpted their U1 data. It limits some of the features and they have had mixed success [12:51] ah, ok [12:52] if you are more interested in encrypting the data let me know and i will put my hands on that info for you [12:53] Not me, Rhonda just asked me :) [13:01] gah make the rain stop!!! it's summer!!! [13:02] * nigelb hugs czajkowski :) [13:05] someday jussi will learn the spelling of occasionally ;) [13:06] probably not [13:06] he's a bit special [13:06] haha === dholbach_ is now known as dhlbach === dhlbach is now known as dholbach [14:25] Argh, I forgot how commond the use of the word 'sense' is in the English language. Now I get more pings than usual. [14:25] yup [14:25] you lacked common sense there [14:25] :p [14:25] I sense a disturbance in the force [14:25] But I'm sense! [14:25] change your name to ubuntu [14:25] that'll fix it [14:26] sense: what an unfortunate name [14:26] sense: you must get pings all day :) [14:26] well that makes sense... [14:26] oh You! [14:26] paultag: do you have tag on highlight ? [14:26] czajkowski: no, that got absurd after about a day [14:26] makes sesne [14:26] Can you use IPA characters in Freenode nicks? :P [14:26] czajkowski: debian folks love to say the word "tag", so I'd get 30+ pings an hour some days [14:26] *sense [14:26] haha czajkowski [14:26] czajkowski: HAHA! [14:27] Oh fun! [14:27] czajkowski: makes no sense at all to have tag on highlight [14:27] i still have marmite on hilight [14:27] this is true, although tis rare I make any sense [14:27] czajkowski: I sense the use of our word sense will upset sense, make sense? [14:27] Your use of the word 'sense' doesn't make any czajkowski! [14:28] Well, as long as people won't try to pronounce my name the same way as the English word I'm fine. [14:28] :) [14:28] ok senser [14:29] dear inbox please shrink [14:29] sense: how do you pronounce your name? (i'd just say it in my american drawl ) [14:29] czajkowski: I always get stress from holidays because I know what will wait for me when I return... [14:29] oh I won't stress over it [14:30] paultag: that would be [ˈsɛn.sə ˈɛɣ.bərt ˈɦɔf.steː.də] for my full name. [14:30] makes my name sound easy [14:30] I put it on my Launchpad profile! Can that be considered geeky? [14:30] whoh, I'm on irssi, sense -- it barfs on int'l chars [14:30] czajkowski: yeah, how do you say your name? [14:31] Laura [14:31]