[01:05] JontheEchidna is moun hosted on lp as a project? [01:05] jjesse: just as a place to throw release tarballs [01:15] oh ok [01:15] is there a spot as i work on my documentation for moun? [02:00] jjesse: the source is all in kde svn. If you don't have commit access, just email it to me [02:06] ok [05:50] JontheEchidna: you should poke the KDE sysadmins a bit, supposedly you could get into ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/{stabe,unstable}/apps/KDE4.x [06:04] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100715050404-r7f330binln0q1w0 * src/statusnotifier/StatusNotifier.cpp ensure button visibility is right whenever setIdle gets called [06:17] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100715051728-z4szccw6em8r36pq * src/libs/Types.h Say hello to QIntHash [06:18] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100715051755-r9cm985tcdz6wbre * src/libs/introspection/com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.xml introspect com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Config [06:19] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100715051920-rvwzgdbrix33az4v * src/libs/SyncDaemon.cpp ComUbuntuoneSyncDaemonConfigInterface++ [06:22] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100715052208-ol2h874xpik6jas5 * src/libs/introspection/com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.xml import introspection of com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Events while I am at it [06:23] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100715052320-n2rxajsx1kbz14ey * src/libs/SyncDaemon.cpp ComUbuntuoneSyncDaemonEventsInterface++ [06:55] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100715055522-t5xmlzvw4du1rlqu * src/kcmodule/ (Module.ui CMakeLists.txt Module.cpp Module.h) Convert KCM to Qt Designer UI [07:01] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100715060145-2bnyz22xc81dtuoh * src/kcmodule/Module.ui set accountbox defaults + translatable [09:11] wow [09:11] wow? [09:11] if you try setting the bandwith limitof the u1 syncdaemon to 0 it will just ignore you [09:11] that is so silly it almost deserves a bug report [09:12] * valorie keeps trying to install the package, but no luck so far [09:12] I found out ubuntuone does work though [09:12] likely enough you are running into file conflicts by now ;) [09:13] so I have high hopes for your -kde one [09:13] yes === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:21] oh oh oh [09:21] it seems u1 syncd makes 0 == no limit Oo [09:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com/463908/ [09:25] beautiful [09:37] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100715083642-kc7ph6ver87nhcbz * src/libs/ (4 files) SyncDaemonConfig++ (wraps around config interface and provides cool naming + struct for limits transfer) [09:37] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100715083723-1xi91ytt6pxc1i8w * src/kcmodule/ (CMakeLists.txt Module.cpp Module.h Module.ui) Add bandwith management capabilities + appropriate ui stuff + saving + default values [10:22] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100715092123-ct4mlvzurl081kr7 * src/libs/ (CMakeLists.txt SyncDaemon.cpp) Add u1 dir to the places list [10:29] hi all [10:30] is there a bug with utf8 on kubuntu 10.04 ? [10:30] google is not so talkative on that topic [10:30] RedT0mt0m: not that I know of [10:30] but anyway, I can't find a way to toggle everything to utf8 [10:31] in console, locale is saying I'm using the right encoding [10:31] but Kde answer POSIX [10:31] most locales will be utf8, and they'll all be unicode [10:32] maybe a silly question, but where can I set that setting ? [10:34] Riddell: any idea ? [10:35] system locale is set by qt-language-selector [10:36] and that's a tool modifying config files or only for a running session ?* [10:39] you know this is a developer channel and not a suppoert channel? [10:39] *support [10:40] emonkey: ok, but it looks like a bug ... [10:41] you haven't actually said what your problem is [10:41] your second question seemed like you just want to ask instead of reading a manual ... sorry but a developer isn't a manual. [10:44] the problem is that KDE start with POSIX encoding, even if the system is configured in utf8, and even if I chose to install and use other language [10:44] where do you get that idea? [10:44] does it not read utf8 files correctly? [10:45] for example, in a konsole : [10:45] locale ... answer POSIX [10:46] than [10:46] su -l kt [10:46] locale ... answer UTF8 [10:47] \o [10:47] (kt is the user logged on kde [10:47] JontheEchidna: around? and free to explain muon kode? :D [10:49] RedT0mt0m: nick inspired from Star Wars? :D [10:52] shadeslayer_: not really [10:53] shadeslayer_ that ol starwars fanboy :P [10:54] RedT0mt0m: do you use kdm? [10:56] apachelogger: yes, kdm [10:58] RedT0mt0m: what does cat /etc/default/locale say? [10:59] apachelogger: I set it to LANG="fr_FR.utf8" [11:00] then that should be the locale in KDE :O [11:00] RedT0mt0m: ls -R /usr/lib/locale/fr_FR.utf8 [11:01] apachelogger: directory exist, with everything inside [11:01] then I do not know\ [11:02] apachelogger: no prob, thanks anyway :-) [11:02] it does? I have no directories in /usr/lib/locale/ [11:03] no directories at all? [11:03] Riddell: I guess yes, as that's populated by locales generator [11:04] I have 'locale-archive' in /usr/lib/locale, and that's all [11:04] then again, I use US english [11:05] is maverick broken or does it dislike virtualbox? [11:06] RedT0mt0m: tried qt-language-selector? [11:08] brrrrrr [11:08] Riddell: maverick starts plasma-netbook when inside a vm [11:09] http://imagebin.ca/view/5OoP32.html [11:09] and right after first start [11:09] what a beauty ;) [11:09] * apachelogger thinks that testing u1 on maverick was a bad idea :S [11:09] screen height < 700 pixels. I'm going to add laptop-detect to that [11:10] oki [11:10] and maybe also lshal | grep storage.cdrom [11:10] apachelogger: what does the ubuntuone kioslave do? [11:10] nothing [11:10] do you have a kioslave? [11:11] * apachelogger thought he deactivated that [11:11] just looking at the source [11:11] it was just a try to see where I can get with slavery [11:11] which is not far, since I need to manipulate overlays [11:12] which is not possible in a slave [11:12] same goes for the plasmoid btw [11:30] apachelogger: hmm, sync daemon isn't syncing [11:30] Riddell: you have the syncdaemon from my ppa, right? [11:31] good question [11:33] Riddell: python-ubuntuone-client should be 1.2.1-0ubuntu3+kwallet3 [11:33] no I have 1.3.3-0ubuntu1 [11:33] this needs some maverick love I guess [11:33] maverick? [11:33] let me try on my netbook that still has lucid [11:33] *nod* [11:46] apachelogger: it only launches if I already have a ~/Ubuntu One folder? [11:46] Riddell: should start eitherway [11:46] how? [11:47] ubuntuone-statusnotifer [11:47] /etc/xdg/autostart/ubuntuone-launch.desktop checks for ~/Ubuntu One [11:47] how does ubuntuone-statusnotifer start? [11:47] kde autostart [11:47] /usr/share/autostart/ubuntuone-kde.desktop [11:49] ls: cannot access /usr/share/autostart/ubuntuone-kde.desktop: No such file or directory [11:50] hm, maybe I did not package that [11:51] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100715105107-yo1u2w6jgte8801l * (3 files in 2 dirs) Add autostart desktop file to package ubuntuone-kde [11:52] apachelogger: ubuntuone-statusnotifier will launch the sync daemon? [11:52] aye [11:54] things fhfhfhf [11:54] ahem [11:54] things seem to be syncing now but statusnotifier still says its having a cup of tea [11:54] hmmmm [11:55] possibly enough I did not upload my work from yesterday [11:55] Riddell: it will only display connected/notconnect/error/incompability in that version [11:56] I only implemented the UI bits for up&download tracking yesterday [11:56] so "sipping tea" means connected? [11:57] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100715105722-fyjluuxv1ch4mykt * debian/changelog New snapshot [11:57] ooh got a sad face on new login [11:58] and connecting to network gets me back to sipping tea [11:58] amusing as they are you might want to make those strings more serious :) [11:58] meh :P [11:59] do I still need to touch .ubuntuone ? [11:59] for dolphin stuff, yes [11:59] but nothing changed there IIRC [11:59] right [12:00] I am currently thinking about creating ubuntuone-share, which would hook up with akonadi to get a user's contacts so he can share stuff with them [12:00] dolphin and the statusnotifier could then call ubuntuone-share "~/Ubuntu One/foobar" and -share would take care of the rest [12:00] that sound clever [12:01] you say dolphin 4.6 might be able to do more for ubuntu one with its plugins, does that mean Peter Penz is planning to make the necessary changes, or you does that need to be discussed with him? [12:01] needs to be discussed with him [12:01] also I need to repoke the owncloud people to get a complete picture of what we need to be able to do with that plugin api [12:02] but I think what is there for VCS support is already pretty much all you need (you can set overlays, add context menu entries, can notify about changes...) [12:03] it is just too much assuming that the plugin is a VCS plugin :) [12:09] apachelogger: where would you like to be at the end of the SoC period? [12:10] reliable auth + reliable statusnotification + sensible configuration interface + detailed idea of what we need for dolphin [12:10] though frankely I would like to get the akonadi stuff done too ^^ [12:12] apachelogger: do you think you'd be able to get the auth changes needed upstream into ubuntuone? [12:12] I didn't talk to them about my patch yet, but I suppose so since the changes are non-intrusive to the gnome side of things [12:14] apachelogger: do you think the statusnotifier and the kcm would be good enough quality to put in the archive for 10.10? [12:15] needs some decent testing, but generally I very much think so [12:16] also, from what I have heared only a few people have gotten u1 to work sensibly on KDE in 10.04, so there is little to loose eitherway [12:17] works for me :) [12:18] so I think that's what I'd like to see done, reliable auth + reliable statusnotification + sensible configuration interface + detailed idea of what we need for dolphin + auth upstream + statusnotifier and kcm in 10.10 [12:18] akonadi integration is a good bonus of course [12:19] oki [12:19] anyway, half term questionnaire passed, congratulations [12:19] \o/ [12:55] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100715115430-xs6g6gvbx0lj2xc1 * data/ (3 files) add larger icon sizes (for dolphin information panel), now that a link gets add to the places list the u1 icon will show up in the information panel which is rather large... [12:57] http://imagebin.ca/view/LW_5X8CG.html <3 [13:05] omg bug! [13:17] bah, now vbox lost my snapshot :O [13:18] yay [13:18] * apachelogger is back to initial snapshot [13:18] who needs producitvity anyway if you can have virtualbox :S [13:28] apachelogger: right - http://i40.tinypic.com/v3ir84.png [13:28] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100715122702-jqm536hgi0dp259o * src/auth/ (AuthHandler.cpp AuthHandler.h) possible fix for possible crash - AuthHandler MUST NOT accept anything from AccessToken by const reference because AccessToken will be dead before AuthHandler is dead, hence there is potential for segfault [13:28] apachelogger: grr, can you help me stripping? Now even local build fails to strip dbg libs :/ [13:28] al: Oo is it serouis? [13:29] apachelogger: no, just took a minute or so ;) [13:29] Quintasan: in your age one should be able to undress :P [13:29] al: well, I am not sure that makes it better though ;) [13:29] apachelogger: it still worked [13:30] well, but that kind of approximation... [13:30] Quintasan: mind handing me rules? [13:30] Quintasan: also how do they fail? [13:30] they do not fail [13:31] they just generate 1,2kb package [13:31] no erros :S [13:31] in that case rules + log [13:32] just wondering ... do you actually build Qt with debug stuff? [13:32] .configure says so [13:33] apachelogger: log -> http://pastebin.com/32Fhrd2X [13:34] * apachelogger is really wondering why the statusnotifier refuses to acknowledge connection the very very first start [13:34] apachelogger: rules -> http://pastebin.com/VDPsLsYy [13:37] OH MY GOD [13:37] I'M SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STUPID [13:37] apachelogger: no cookies, no, no food for me for one week [13:38] grrr [13:38] apachelogger: wrong log [13:38] apachelogger: I have pasted you a log with override_dh_strip where I made a fkkn typo = --dgb-package [13:38] apachelogger: rules are good tho [13:44] * Quintasan hits himself with b&hammer [13:45] omg boost in maverick is outdated? [13:45] oh, point release only [13:53] * apachelogger is all french [13:54] so [13:54] Quintasan: what does the log look like? :P [13:55] let me fisrt connect to lp somehow [13:59] damned lp [13:59] times oue [13:59] out* [14:00] apachelogger: the LP build -> [14:00] https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+build/1865814/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.project-neon-qt_1.0+1200_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz [14:01] that is not dh_verbose, is it? [14:02] well, I have uncommented that in rules [14:02] blame LP for not letting me upload a newer revision :P [14:03] but I'm sure VERBOSE was enabled for that build [14:03] apachelogger: and ffs, what should I use? override_dh_strip won't work in PPA for some unknown reason [14:04] well [14:04] I'm currently test-building Qt using override_dh_install or Riddel's computer [14:04] for starters I would be wondering what pkgs_dbg does [14:06] well then [14:06] Quintasan: it would appear to me that you need to configure with -debug [14:07] I have -no-separate-debug-info [14:07] isn't that the same? [14:07] if they were the same there would not be two switches, would there? [14:08] Start in 13 hours (2505) [14:08] Oo [14:08] what the dalek?!?!?!!??! [14:08] You won't beat that [14:08] Start in two weeks. [14:08] :D [14:10] apachelogger: and for dbg stripping, shall I override_dh_strip or dh $@ --dbg-package=project-neon-qt-dbg --parallel --with pkgkde_symbolshelper? [14:10] ehehehe [14:11] that dude on identi.ca whining [14:11] classic [14:11] * apachelogger wonders if he ever considered that maybe he is the problem and not kde ^^ [14:11] Quintasan: latter [14:11] heh [14:11] former is ewwww [14:11] okay [14:11] kubotu: np [14:11] Quintasan listened to "Emiya" by Haga Keita 9 minutes ago; -- see http://www.last.fm/user/Quintasan for more [14:11] fffff [14:11] Quintasan: you know.... [14:11] hm? [14:11] I rewrote the rules [14:12] When? [14:12] back when I started neon [14:12] I did not use Kubuntu rules [14:12] I wrote my own [14:12] that said, I did try using Kubuntu rules [14:12] BUT [14:12] major PITA [14:12] + you do not want to merge them all the time anyway [14:13] So you are implying I should use your rules? [14:13] no [14:13] i am implying that you should rwrite your own [14:13] I wanted just to override config and use dh7 [14:13] instead of reusing useless crapz0r [14:13] line 13-24 are completely worthless for neon [14:14] so is 26-33 [14:14] so is 35-41 [14:14] so is 43-55 [14:14] --with pkgkde_symbolshelper is probably also usless [14:15] wgrant told me to use that when stripping in PPA [14:15] 90 percent of the switches to configure are useless [14:15] Quintasan: the symbolshelper? [14:15] y [14:15] I wonder what for [14:15] anyhow [14:15] so leave that in [14:15] or rather [14:15] rewrite the file with the symbolshelper :P [14:15] all of clean is for bonkers because neon does not do build-clean-build [14:16] aha [14:17] Quintasan: from that identica dude "yeah, !gentoo - with #kernel 2.6.34 and #xfs filesystem my system responsiveness seems much improved" [14:17] I declare that rant settled [14:18] >xfs [14:18] ewww [14:18] lol [14:18] well that whole combo [14:18] gentoo + kernel 2.6.34 + xfs [14:19] no wonder the files wind up empty [14:19] hmm [14:19] probably xfs is caching for too long [14:19] resulting in empty file on disk [14:19] .PHONY -> what was that doing? [14:19] or xfs eats them altogether [14:19] XFS is shit to begin with [14:19] Quintasan: you are not serious, are you? [14:19] I'm not, just trolling [14:19] not regarding XFS [14:19] Do I really have to add ? :P [14:20] yus [14:20] ! [14:20] So, let me rephrase that [14:20] .PHONY -> what was that doing? [14:20] btw, why do you need a custom qt build again? [14:20] Julian wants to know that... https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/117762 [14:20] cause supremacy demands custom Qt [14:21] yofel: because we do not want to mess with stable installation of Qt? [14:21] yofel: even without Qt you cannot squeeze neon into a ppa [14:21] rsibreak [14:21] Quintasan: makes sense... [14:21] * yofel puts his head under cold water, too hot to think clearly here... [14:22] +1 [14:22] so... [14:22] in the PPA default size you probably can squeeze kdelibs + debugging && kdesupport + debugging and then you are all filled up [14:23] stringies frozen for Muon and QApt Batch [14:24] tiem for API review [14:27] JontheEchidna: is the proper ester egg in yet? [14:27] apachelogger: Well, for .PHONY, it confuses me with current rules. .PHONY: override_dh_auto_test ->> override_dh_auto_test is called everytime target is rebuild, right? the override is not declared anywhere so it does nothing? I can't get those damned overrides straight up [14:27] apachelogger: nope, but it's not l10n-able due to monospace cow [14:27] grumblee [14:28] maverick is evil! evil I tells you! [14:28] Quintasan: ehm, possibly the override is in the symbolshelper [14:28] apachelogger: it will be done, though [14:28] apachelogger: Are you implying that there is a trollface somewhere within Muon? [14:28] * apachelogger did not look at that code like ever [14:28] Quintasan: no [14:28] well, I'll leave it for now [14:28] jussi: yes [14:28] JontheEchidna: maybe [14:28] oh, that was no question [14:28] JontheEchidna: indeed! [14:28] ;) [14:28] apachelogger: I cant even get it to boot currently [14:29] its stopping at "checkin battery state" on a desktop... [14:29] well, obviously it would stop... [14:29] a desktop doesnt have no battery [14:29] well, not the kind it is checking anyway [14:30] hmm, anyone here tried connecting PC to a HD TV? [14:30] yes, my point exactly [14:30] I can't get X to start, serial console works fine though [14:31] Quintasan: curious, [14:31] .I hate you maverick :( [14:31] jussi: so what is the problem? :P [14:31] it is behaving exactly as we both expect it to behave [14:32] apachelogger: i really dnt now. it doesnt boot. when it stops, the last thing is "checking battery state" [14:32] yes, but we just agreed that stopping there is appropriate because desktops have no batter? :P [14:32] s/batter/battery [14:32] apachelogger: no. [14:32] apachelogger: it should heck that, then move on [14:33] check* [14:33] but there is no battery! [14:33] that is a problem, is it not? [14:33] anyhow [14:33] jussi: maybe you should boot into recovery and upgrade [14:34] maybe it halps [14:34] pendulum++ [14:34] apachelogger: I dont seem to have a grub... ie. it doesnt show me anything. is the sorme key I need to press? [14:34] c++++ [14:34] jussi: any key [14:34] jussi: hold left shift pressed (IIRC) [14:35] or maybe shifty ^^ [14:35] * apachelogger rebuilds ubuntuone-kde locally because lp is so sluggish [14:36] nope, left shift doesnt help [14:37] apachelogger: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/qt-ubuntu/annotate/head:/rules [14:37] what do you think? [14:37] jussi: odd... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Boot%20Display%20Behavior [14:38] * jussi tries again [14:39] try holding it all the way from the POST to either grub or the kernel appears [14:39] grub evaluates the key press state two different times [14:40] Quintasan: what is export QT_PLUGIN_PATH := $(QTDIR)/plugins for? [14:41] $(extra_configure_opts) is missing for the configure switches [14:41] nope, nthing. held from expressgate not installed message right through to spash [14:41] looking good otherwise [14:42] LD_LIBRARY_PATH [14:42] jussi: just remove the "if keystatus" stuff from grub.cfg then and make sure you have a timeout >0 set? [14:42] should I export that as well? [14:43] al: I cant get into the os... guess Ill have to live cd in... [14:43] Quintasan: maybe, cant hurt I suppose [14:43] apachelogger: well, I do not give a damn about extra options to configure [14:43] yeah [14:44] of course they could implicity define important stuff [14:44] they could? [14:44] and then your build will fail because those important things are missing [14:44] so why the hell they are called EXTRA? [14:44] :D [14:45] oooh... [14:45] one tty works... just one [14:45] * jussi logs in and upgrades [14:47] Riddell: do you think presence of ~/Ubuntu One should be condition for autostarting? [14:51] apachelogger: Is there a configuration to switch it off? [14:52] txwikinger: switch off what? [14:52] oh [14:52] autostart [14:52] no [14:53] I don't want it then [14:53] apachelogger: only if there's a way for a user to create that (e.g. through the kcontrol module) [14:53] * txwikinger hates things he cannot switch off [14:53] Riddell: well, it will be created once the user manually started u1 [14:54] txwikinger: swtich off == sudo dpkg -r ubuntuone-kde :P [14:54] What about a conf file inside the directory which has a status for autostart which can be configured by a Kcontrol module? [14:55] apachelogger: how doe the user tdoi that? [14:55] apachelogger: Not satisfactory [14:55] Riddell: menu -> utils -> ubuntuone [14:55] apachelogger: that seems fine then [14:56] apachelogger: although an enable/disable option in system settings also seems good [14:56] well.. I might want to run ubuntu one only when I am at home, but not when I am in a linuxcafe [14:56] I am wondering how klipper does that [14:56] soooo... uprade didnt help [14:56] why would I remove and re-install it all the time [14:57] hmm [14:57] aha! [14:57] ? [14:57] ./klipper.desktop:X-KDE-autostart-condition=klipperrc:General:AutoStart:true [14:58]