[01:18] <wgrant> lamont: Hi. I revived that branch: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/multi-arch-builders.
[01:18] <wgrant> This also conveniently lets us later change the master to dispatch multiple archs to a single builder, of course.
[01:55] <MTecknology> wgrant: neat-o stuff :)
[03:54] <ZandreBran> hi guys. please, how to use space in the bazaar?
[03:55] <ZandreBran> Ursinha, ôlas
[04:53] <mtaylor> spm: I feel like I haven't bugged you in at _least_ 4 hours
[05:01] <soren> ~pythoneers are officially off my christmas card list.
[05:01] <soren> srsly.
[05:03] <wgrant> It seems like those builds should be demoted.
[05:03] <wgrant> But they should be almost done now.
[05:03] <soren> Are you kidding? There's still >2000 left.
[05:04] <wgrant> Ah, it's about half done.
[05:04] <soren> Sorry, 1095.
[05:04] <wgrant> Yeah.
[05:04] <soren> ...but there's more than 2000 in the i386 queue.
[05:04] <wgrant> I guess the lack of builders last night made it take a while.
[05:05] <soren> I've been waiting more more than 24 hours now, and I doubt I'm the one worst off.
[05:05] <wgrant> Oh, certainly.
[05:05] <wgrant> This situation is completely ridiculous.
[05:05] <wgrant> But nobody who matters cares :)
[05:07] <soren> You know what the worst part is?
[05:07] <soren> Those times where you look at the /builders page and like 80% of the i386 ppa builders are idle.
[05:08] <soren> Like /right/ now.
[05:08] <wgrant> That's because buildd-manager takes around 15 minutes to go through all of the builders at times like this.
[05:08] <wgrant> So it will iterate through all the builders... processing completed builds.
[05:08] <wgrant> Then it will iterate through them all again... dispatching builds to them.
[05:09] <wgrant> And because it's so slow, most of the builds have finished by the next cycle.
[05:09] <wgrant> So it takes ages to complete that cycle too.
[05:09] <wgrant> etc, etc.
[05:09] <soren> How long it takes to go through builders depends on how many builds are in the queue?
[05:09] <soren> ...or what's making it take so long right now?
[05:11] <wgrant> Mostly how many builds have finished since the last cycle. I also suspect slowness in the query to determine which build is to be dispatched next, but I have no evidence of this theory.
[05:12] <soren> ok.
[05:14] <soren> I hope one day I'll work up sufficient motivation to add the capability to Launchpad to provide one's own builder.
[07:05] <bilalakhtar> what's the matter? lp isn't generating diffs for branch merges. I have been waiting for 5 minutes now.
[07:05] <bilalakhtar> kiko: you there?
[07:08] <spm> bilalakhtar: which branch?
[07:10] <bilalakhtar> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar/gwibber/fix-585892/+merge/29952
[07:10] <bilalakhtar> spm: ^^ and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar/ubuntu/maverick/selinux-basics/merge-603595/+merge/29547
[07:10] <spm> ta, lookin'
[07:12] <bilalakhtar> spm: the first one among tese links is just a one-line change and the gwibber branch is only 7mb
[07:15] <bilalakhtar> spm: seen?
[07:21] <bilalakhtar> hyperair: welcome
[07:21] <hyperair> why, thank you =)
[07:21] <fta2> guys, for several days, none of my dailies got a chance to build. i thought the scheduler was fixed after the full rebuild nightmare..
[07:22] <fta2> seems that pythoneers/py27stack2 rebuild is taking all the slots
[07:22] <micahg> fta2: python 2.7 test build
[07:22] <fta2> yep
[07:23] <micahg> fta2: also, the builders were yanked for part of the day
[07:23] <fta2> i'm sick of this. i'll shut the dailies for good
[07:23] <fta2> they're clearly unwelcome
[07:24] <micahg> fta2: occasionally things block them, I think overall they build
[07:24] <micahg> fta2: I believe the Launchpad team is having a sprint which means a little less love for the builders
[07:26] <micahg> when do the builders recognize if something's should be superceded
[07:27] <spm> bilalakhtar: the job that generates those had gone gaga, being a technical term; I gave it some lovin' via kill, and things should start happening again,
[07:27] <maxb> micahg: I believe at the point just before they would otherwise start to build it
[07:27] <micahg> maxb: ah, so it'll show queued, but not actually build?
[07:28] <maxb> yes
[07:28] <micahg> k, I hope so :)
[07:29] <micahg> ah, I see one where it happened, good :)
[07:29] <fta2> micahg, i killed umd, feel free to host the bot on your side
[07:30] <bilalakhtar> spm: thanks
[07:30] <micahg> fta2: I'm not ready to do that yet, can you please keep if going for another couple weeks?
[07:30] <fta2> micahg, it's useless, no slots to build anything. we're losing our time
[07:31] <micahg> fta2: the LOSAs offered to score up the builds before, I think we should call in that favor maybe :)
[07:31] <spm> only if cake is involved
[07:31] <micahg> spm: next UDS?
[07:31] <fta2> i stop grinning. it's not worth it
[07:32] <fta2> bye
[07:32] <micahg> spm: any chance we can get the chromium and mozilla builds scored up so they build?
[07:33] <spm> micahg: sure, can you give me a link - just makes it easier tracking stuff down
[07:33] <bilalakhtar> oh yeah, this reminds me, the recipe build I requested 2 days ago and was to build 1 hour after the request, have not been build even now
[07:33] <micahg> spm: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/ and the PPAs for this team: https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily, thanks
[07:35] <spm> ew. 44 in the first one? any particular sets that you can live without for the timebeing? eg lpia?
[07:35] <micahg> spm: sure, don't need lpia :)
[07:36] <micahg> spm: and if I had to choose, I"d say hardy, lucid, and maverick should come first
[07:36] <spm> oki
[07:38] <micahg> spm: oh, and you can skip firefox 3.6.8 and xulrunner 1.9.2.8 on lucid and maverick
[07:42] <spm> micahg: oki, so latest chromiums are rescored
[07:43] <micahg> spm: k, hopefully that'll make fta happy
[07:43] <micahg> spm: thanks
[07:44] <spm> np, the ui isn't conducive to mass re-prioritising. no criticism/complaint, just saying.
[07:44] <micahg> spm: if you can do anything for the mozilla daily PPA, that would be great too
[07:44] <micahg> spm: should I file a bug for that?
[07:44] <spm> micahg: heh, getting the firefox ones done next.
[07:45] <spm> bug, nah. the bug is the slow build scheduling which aiui, is being looked at with some urgency
[07:45] <micahg> spm: k, thanks, I think I'm going to drop off to sleep then, have a good day
[07:45] <spm> you too, have a good one!
[07:48] <micahg> spm: oh, it seems like only the chromium daily has any builds BTW
[07:49] <spm> micahg: ? not sure I follow? I'm seeing heaps for mozilla here? about 96.
[07:50] <micahg> spm: no, mozilla does have 96, but you can skip firefox368 and xulrunner1928 for lucid/maverick, lpia builds,
[07:50] <spm> oh yes, I was. :-)
[07:51] <micahg> spm: but I remember that I asked you for all the chromium PPAs and only the daily one has builds
[07:52] <spm> Oh! right. sorry - my bad.
[07:52] <spm> fwiw, I'm only rescoring the most recents. Unf you have a few older ones :-(
[07:53] <micahg> spm: oh, also skip Firefox 4.0
[07:53] <spm> heh, I think I've already done those. just did the xulrunner ones
[07:53] <micahg> spm: it won't install anyways
[07:54] <spm> micahg: thunderbird?
[07:54] <micahg> spm: the thunderbird builds should be ok to rescore
[07:54] <spm> oki
[07:56] <spm> micahg: I think that's the lot now...
[07:57] <micahg> spm: awesome, thanks, can I ping you tomorrow night if the python stuff isn't done yet?
[07:57] <spm> depends if cake arrives tomorrow or not. let me just dig up the address of a local cake delivery agent.... :-P
[07:58] <spm> micahg: certainly :-)
[07:58] <micahg> spm: thanks
[09:00] <stanley_robertso> hi all.. Need a small info on launchpad .. iam a registered user on launchpad. i have completed the "code of conduct" on the page. hOwever, the status still shows that i didnot do it.
[09:00] <stanley_robertso> Any help/info on that, from anyone please
[09:02] <mrevell> stanley_robertso, Do you have a link to your Launchpad profile page?
[09:03] <stanley_robertso> hi mrevell .. here it is : https://launchpad.net/~roopesh-majeti
[09:04]  * mrevell looks
[09:04] <mrevell> stanley_robertso, Can you try signing it again?
[09:04] <stanley_robertso> sure
[09:05] <stanley_robertso> mrevell, but how .. should i do it with differe key ?
[09:05] <mrevell> stanley_robertso, What exactly happened when you tried last time?
[09:06] <stanley_robertso> it went fine ... when i click on "code of conduct" link now.. it is saying : "It appears you have already done this. The key XXXXX is registered on your account. You can skip to the next step if you are not intending on signing with a different key. "
[09:07] <mrevell> stanley_robertso, Have you tried skipping to the next step?
[09:08] <stanley_robertso> mrevell,  i did .. actually iam registering myself for the bug squad team .. and the approval is getting declined ... as "code of conduct" is not shown as completed/signed
[09:09] <mrevell> And what happened when you skipped to the next step?
[09:10] <stanley_robertso> nothing.. there is no next step mentioned
[09:10] <stanley_robertso> i just uploaded my fingerprint and thatz it.. didnot do anything else .. ofcourse.. followed the instruction mentioned in the fingerprint email we get
[09:13] <wgrant> stanley_robertso: There should be another step on the Code of Conduct page.
[09:13] <wgrant> Under the message telling you that the key is already registered.
[09:14] <stanley_robertso> wgrant, mrevell  .. i got it
[09:14] <stanley_robertso> i forgot the final step.. bad on me.. did it just now ...
[09:14] <stanley_robertso> thanks to all
[10:38] <falktx> hi guys
[10:38] <falktx> deleted ppas still appear on my personal page
[10:39] <falktx> any way to make it disappear?
[10:39] <falktx> or re.enable the PPA again?
[10:45] <wgrant> falktx: I don't think you can reenable them yet.
[10:45] <wgrant> But they only show on your page to you. Others can't see them.
[10:45] <falktx> oh, ok
[10:45] <falktx> didn't knew that
[10:46] <falktx> i guess it's ok then
[10:46] <falktx> thanks for the info
[10:47] <geser> has someone an idea what happened here? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51966250/upload_1871365_log.txt
[10:49] <geser> Looking at the build log it seems to come from "Installed-Size: 4460.
[10:49] <geser> But I don't have an idea why
[10:49] <wgrant> geser: The package is bad; Installed-Size has a tab at the end.
[10:49] <geser> but why? the other arch built fine
[10:49] <wgrant> Where's the build log?
[10:49] <wgrant> pkgbinarymangler started mangling Installed-Size a few hours ago.
[10:50] <wgrant> I wonder if that's related.
[10:51] <geser> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51966247/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-sparc.gnome-power-manager_2.30.1-1ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:51] <geser> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/2.30.1-1ubuntu2/+build/1871365
[10:51] <geser> might be, gnome-session on i386 is also affected
[10:52] <wgrant> Yeah, so, the package is bad.
[10:52]  * wgrant checks pkgbinarymangler.
[10:52] <wgrant> Woooooah.
[10:53] <wgrant> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pkgbinarymangler/ubuntu/revision/85
[11:37] <sluimers> Hi there when I upload my PPA I always get a warning that my key is not trusted. Is there anything I can do about that?
[11:37] <sluimers> I tried signing, but that doesn't work
[11:39] <geser> can you us the error message you got?
[11:41] <poolie> hi wgrant
[11:41] <wgrant> Hi poolie.
[11:47] <sluimers> gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
[11:47] <sluimers> gpg:          There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
[11:54] <lamont> wgrant: nice!
[12:13] <sluimers> I thought the servers that compile ppa's were back?
[12:14] <wgrant> sluimers: They were... but they're gone again.
[12:14] <dnjl> hi! whats wrong with the builders? I am waitung since 27h hours for a 6h job - now it tells me to wait 23h! why this? this is a inpossible situation...
[12:14] <sluimers> I still get to see that I have to wait till the next day, just like yesterday
[12:15] <sluimers> I got the same thing dnjl :(.
[12:15] <dnjl> yo, i see
[12:16] <wgrant> It would be nice if the remaining 1011 Python 2.7 rebuilds were to be deprioritised...
[12:16] <sluimers> lol, I see..
[12:16] <sluimers> Where's the python ppa?
[12:16] <wgrant> https://edge.launchpad.net/~pythoneers/+archive/py27stack2/+builds?build_state=pending
[12:18] <sluimers> After that, is the worst over?
[12:19] <wgrant> Maybe.
[12:19] <wgrant> That's around half the remaining jobs.
[12:20] <wgrant> Er, a third, sorry.
[12:22] <sluimers> X_X
[12:22] <sluimers> 3000 builds?
[12:22] <dnjl> Idea: It would be nice if ppa users would able to provide ressources for builders: the lp would send a secured buildd-vm to the provided machines which do the job(s)... - e.g. with libvirt migration
[12:23] <wgrant> dnjl: It's impossible to allow users to provide builders in a secure fashion, unfortunately.
[12:23] <wgrant> sluimers: 3200, but yes, X_X indeed.
[12:25] <sluimers> Guess I'm not helping with 64 builds ehehehehe ^_^;;
[12:25] <dnjl> why? if the lp dispatcher would build a ro squashfs-image secured with zertificates to send to the "known registered ppa user", this should a way to think about
[12:26] <wgrant> dnjl: The user can still tamper with the VM...
[12:26] <sluimers> wgrant, Where do you see the list of builds?
[12:26] <wgrant> sluimers: I can't really see a list, but https://launchpad.net/builders provides a summary.
[12:27] <dnjl> wgrant: yes, sure - but its easy to say fastly "no" - does someone really thought about it?
[12:29] <jpds> dnjl: builds are insecure by design.
[12:33] <dnjl> jpds: yes i know, but what if we are sending to the users host a complete precreated "ro/live" buildd image which is secured with lp certs and this will connect through e.g. openvpn to lp to get the rest.
[12:34] <wgrant> dnjl: The user still has access to the hardware.
[12:34] <wgrant> And if you have access to the hardware, you have access to the VM.
[12:34] <dnjl> I thing there are several ways to think about to get the required savety
[12:36] <wgrant> If you can identify a virtualisation technique which does not involve trusting the hardware, I'm sure everyone involved in cloud computing will be most interested.
[12:39] <dnjl> but is it possible to manipulate the process if the buildd system is certified and crypted so that you will get i only run if its not manipulated - the vm itself only needs ram and network and network is secured via vpn to lp
[12:40] <wgrant> It's possible for the VM to trust LP, sure. But it's not possible for LP to trust the VM.
[12:41] <dnjl> yes, this would tricky - i will thing about...
[12:41] <dnjl> think
[12:44] <NEERAJ_GUPTA> Hey http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/sugar-flipsticks-activity/maverick/revision/3/debian/install is down
[14:54] <ricotz> wgrant, hello
[14:55] <ricotz> wgrant, any solutions to solve the problem with builds which are waiting for dependencies like forever
[15:00] <wrinkliez> would anyone know why its taking an abnormally long time to build? like, its been saying waiting to build for 7 hours+
[15:03] <geser> wrinkliez: a python2.7 test build of all python-packages takes some PPA resources
[15:04] <wrinkliez> oh is that whats going on
[15:04] <wrinkliez> cool
[15:07] <geser> wrinkliez: and for a reason I don't know, PPA builders come and go as they like
[15:08] <wrinkliez> huh.
[15:08] <bigjools> the additional builders are not dedicated to the build farm, they're simply lent to it when someone else is not using them
[15:09] <kiko> FE FI FO FUM
[15:09] <bigjools> we're getting 7 new dedicated builders soon
[15:10] <wgrant> And a fixed buildd-manager?
[15:41] <sluimers> FE FI FO FUM, I smell a hunam
[15:47] <jpds> sluimers: Yourself?
[15:50] <sluimers> Just quoting an old game
[15:51] <sluimers> I see that there's one ppa armel builder on https://launchpad.net/builders basically doing nothing
[15:51] <bigjools> it's not for general use
[15:51] <sluimers> ah, okay
[16:52] <yotta911> Launchpad is teasing me with an error message saying that my browser don't send a HTTP Referres Header. Why?
[16:54] <micahg> yotta911: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/1024
[16:56] <yotta911> micahg: I know how it's work and i guess a privacy violation
[16:57] <yotta911> micahg: and more: If i woud like attack launchpad, i will forge this header easily.
[16:58] <yotta911> But Ok. Thanks for helping.
[16:59] <micahg> yotta911: I just know where the FAQ is, I don't work on the code (yet)
[16:59] <maxb> The Referer header check is not intended to protect against direct forged requests, it protects against cross-site request forgery
[17:00] <yotta911> What's the problem with cross-site request?
[17:02] <yotta911> micahg: I understood and i will open a bug. Thanks again.]
[17:24] <maxb> yotta911: For example, some website presents you with a form that asks you to vote on something. But secretly (in the html source), it actually directs your browser to ask Launchpad to delete your PPA.
[19:33] <pmatulis> mneptok: o/
[19:38] <mneptok> pmatulis: ahoy!
[19:38] <pmatulis> mneptok: all good on your end?
[19:39] <mneptok> pmatulis: AFAIK, yes. do you know something i don't know? ;)
[19:39]  * mneptok is busy prepping for OSCon
[19:40] <mneptok> pmatulis: anyone from the office going to DebConf in NYC or LinuxCon in Boston?
[19:40] <pmatulis> mneptok: etienne mentioned it a while back
[19:41] <pmatulis> mneptok: debconf
[19:41] <mneptok> pmatulis: i should call him with travel tips i have accrued.
[19:41] <pmatulis> mneptok: i'm not sure if he's going though
[19:43] <mneptok> let's find out ....  :)
[19:47] <sproaty> is loggerhead down? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sproaty/whyteboard/development/changes
[19:49] <sproaty> aand back :P
[20:47] <jcastro> bueno had a session on doing merge proposals on lp but is now sick while sprinting, the session is in 15 minutes, can anyone possibly substitute teaching a session for an hour for Ubuntu Developer Week?
[20:52] <jcastro> rockstar: help?
[20:53] <rockstar> jcastro, forewarning: I am frakkin' tired right now...
[20:53] <jcastro> ok, I'll cancel it
[20:53] <rockstar> jcastro, I can probably field questions or something.
[20:53] <nhandler> jcastro: We could just turn it into a Q&A session if we don't find anyone
[20:53] <jcastro> ok
[20:53] <jcastro> rockstar: want to do that?
[20:54] <rockstar> jcastro, sure, but can I cut out before the whole hour is up?
[20:54] <jcastro> yeah
[20:54] <rockstar> jcastro, for context, I woke up at 330 this morning, couldn't get back to sleep, and it's getting late here.
[20:54] <jcastro> wait, are you sprinting?
[20:55] <rockstar> jcastro, I am indeed in Prague.
[20:55] <rockstar> (I'll see you next week)
[20:55] <jcastro> I'd rather cut the day early, disregard.
[20:55] <jcastro> I wasn't aware you were sprinting!
[20:55] <rockstar> jcastro, as long as it doesn't cause problems.  I'm happy to help.
[20:56] <jcastro> it's all good, go to bed!
[21:42] <ahasenack> guys, launchpad is timing out for me
[21:42] <ahasenack> I'm on this url: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=landscape-client
[21:42] <ahasenack> is it a general issue or just a beef with that particular search?
[22:10] <bobj> hi.  Can anybody here help with password reset on launchpad?
[22:21] <bobj> Can anybody here help with password reset on launchpad?
[22:29] <iwontbecreative> I've a question, does someone here now how to target a bug for a milestone ? (The milestone doe support bug target.)
[22:31] <james_w> iwontbecreative: you mean with the API?
[22:34] <james_w> lifeless: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/testr_recipe/0.1
[22:38] <iwontbecreative> No i meant in launchpad itself ?
[22:38] <iwontbecreative>  I know it's possible a stupid question but couldn't find
[22:41] <james_w> iwontbecreative: you need a certain level of access to the project to be able to do that apparently
[22:43] <iwontbecreative> Oh...
[22:44] <iwontbecreative>  Seems bad for some projects like onehundredpaper cuts :/
[22:44] <iwontbecreative>  Thank you for the answer :)
[23:33] <mtaylor> hey spm